On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 13:16:51 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> Chris wrote:
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's
>>>>>>>>> a very
>>>>>>>>> slow laptop?
>>>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>>> Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
>>>>>> processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
>>>>>> successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
>>>>>> from low-power mobile device space.
>>>>> I suppose you already know that Intel was in the ARM market
>>>>> and got out. This is from 2006, to give you some idea
>>>>> how long ago that was, that they dabbled in the stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2006/06/27/intel_sells_xscale/
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a question of capability. Intel has lots of
>>>>> employees, it also regularly does M&A.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what is their strategy ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have the legacy handcuffs been taken off ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that (partially) what Windows 11 is ?
>>>>> A kind of signal ?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many possible outcomes, but I've no idea
>>>>> what ones make sense.
>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>
>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>
>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>
>
> From a hardware perspective, the purpose of an open ecosystem
> (on desktops), is to foster competition and get better
> prices on hardware.
>
> That's how I was able to get a $65 motherboard in the past,
> that was perfectly functional.

The main reason I never buy Apple is because they have to be different. I want to plug anything into anything.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 23:59:16 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's
>>>>>>>> a very
>>>>>>>> slow laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
>>>>> processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
>>>>> successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
>>>>> from low-power mobile device space.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose you already know that Intel was in the ARM market
>>>> and got out. This is from 2006, to give you some idea
>>>> how long ago that was, that they dabbled in the stuff.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2006/06/27/intel_sells_xscale/
>>>>
>>>> It's not a question of capability. Intel has lots of
>>>> employees, it also regularly does M&A.
>>>>
>>>> But what is their strategy ?
>>>>
>>>> Have the legacy handcuffs been taken off ?
>>>>
>>>> Is that (partially) what Windows 11 is ?
>>>> A kind of signal ?
>>>>
>>>> There are many possible outcomes, but I've no idea
>>>> what ones make sense.
>>>
>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>> so why would they bother?
>>>
>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>
>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>
> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.

Actually, you could do what I did for a few people back when I was building desktops. Find the parts Apple use, build your "PC desktop" with them, then install Mac OS on it. Not only do you get the hardware about half the price, but you don't have to pay for the OS.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 23:59:17 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 10:44:50 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/07/2021 18:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>
>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>
>>> Are you really that dumb...?
>>
>> I haven't been dumb above.
>
> Thinking that a laptop could be sold without a graphics chip says
> otherwise.

You not realising I meant "dedicated graphics chip" says otherwise.

>> By the way dumb means unable to speak.
>
> As you well know it has other meanings, which is what I was using.

Those meanings are incorrect. You meant "stupid". "Dumb" is only used in the lower intelligence countries like America.

On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:12:04 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063l6er8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:32:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 1:17:44 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <sdgib9$p37$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>> On 24/07/2021 08:57, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:43:13 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <sdggah$fd1$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/07/2021 23:59, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed! :-D
>>>>
>>>> Right. I buy Macs when they serve me best for the least money. When other
>>>> systems do I buy those.
>>>
>>> What hardware have you ever found which is BETTER than an Apple product?
>>
>> Depends on the needs. When I worked for schools we got a lot of donated
>> hardware. Free was better than paid for, so it was "better". I installed Linux
>> and used it for things like the bell system at one school
>
> Er.... when I went to school, the bell system was a large (2 foot high) brass
> clockwork mechanism in the janitor's office. It kept pretty good time.

That is about what the high school here has. It is an old 100+ year old
building. OK, the bell systems is a bit newer -- it does have to cover four
buildings, but they are always fighting it.

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:08:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063l0hysmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:50:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.061pm5avmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>>
>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it at
>>> school.
>>
>> It was a fun game... and you can STILL play it:
>>
>> https://www.retrogames.cz/play_493-DOS.php?language=EN
>
> I do not understand the desire to play outdated quality stuff. This is what I
> play: https://youtu.be/IbnW213nRO8

I am not much of a gamer... unless you count chess, but no real computer power
needed for that. Even then I play about 1 game a day on average.

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:57 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063lujpgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>> No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint
>>>>> presentation....
>>>>
>>>> Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the Macbook
>>>> Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and while
>>>> it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely does have
>>>> a GPU.
>>>
>>> Surely one could be made that has a fan, but is only used if you start gaming
>>> on it? Just because a powerful chip is in there, doesn't mean it has to be
>>> used all the time. Being able to connect the screen to either the onboard or
>>> the GPU would be a good idea.
>>
>> You could make a machine with multiple CPUs and GPUs and more... but it would
>> be bigger and more expensive.
>
> No. You can already buy machines with a seperate GPU. Why not just take one of
> those, but disable the GPU until you load a game etc? The built in graphics of
> the CPU could then take over.

Not all CPUs have integrated graphics. So you pay more for a CPU with the
integrated graphics then add a GPU to it. Then you can add an external GPU.

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at minimum speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of convection cooling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving faster than
>>>>> convection.
>>>>
>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the fan is not
>>>> running all the time.
>>>
>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>
>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible often is.
>
> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.

Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an advantage. As
you note, though, there are tradeoffs.

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:03:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063lr600mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>> They are very clear it has no fan. There is no lie. But if you don't want one
>>>> don't get one.
>>>
>>> Might not technically be a lie, but it's still misrepresentation. Look at this
>>> powerful OR quiet machine....
>>
>> To a large extent that is the choice you make. Another comparison I recently
>> watched:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k
>>
>> The Air gets amazing reviews. And notice being "quiet" is one of the reasons
>> listed (as is price, power, video rendering, instant wake on open, no power
>> throttling on battery, excellent keyboard, excellent build, excellent monitor,
>> etc.) Only thing noted it is not good for: gaming (which is no surprise).
>>
>> For the fan comments: https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k?t=522
>>
>> You might not notice the fan noise... until you use a system which has no such
>> noise. I know for me I am bothered by fan noises. I appreciate the low sound
>> of Apple products.
>
> With zero fan noise you're in danger of hearing traffic noises outside.

Sure. Still nice to have a quiet computer.

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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
> I do not think in terms ofwhat is "better" overall but what is better for any given task or situation<

When did you develop the new attitude you describe? As previously
you wrote:

For basic needs desktop Linux can be an excellent and cheaper
alternative.
But if you want to rise about the lowest common denominator it is
not likely
to please you.

How do you explain your crystal clear contradiction?

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063lp9qsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 22:14:13 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 23, 2021 at 12:06:24 PM MST, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote
>> <im0i9gFrohmU1@mid.individual.net>:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-23 1:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>
>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But your still alive and not in An ICU.
>>>
>>> Rene
>>
>> He also survived an explosion he posted about the other day where he said he
>> needed updates to see if he was even involved.
>
> How the fuck can you need to ask someone if you're involved in an explosion?
> Wouldn't it be obvious?

One would think... but Gremlin was posting saying there was an explosion but
he had not heard from himself. Maybe he got more brain damage.

>
>> Gremlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no matter what name he posts
>> under.

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:01:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063lovo2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>
>>> Yes. We are.
>>>
>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>
>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who chose
>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them. It is
>> more contagious but also less potent.
>
> Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.

Nor is anyone asking to.

I hope they start demanding proof of vaccination once it gets full FDA
approval (which is likely coming soon).

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:00:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063lm0z8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>> Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
>>>> excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
>>>> like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
>>>> the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
>>>> machine.
>>>
>>> If you're using it for a calendar, why are you buying anything fancy at all?
>>> Get a 486.
>>
>> That's not the only thing the computer is used for.
>
> I cannot understand anyone using a computer and not needed colossal power.

For me it is not about specs but what I can do with the system. For example,
there was a discussion I saw yesterday where people were talking about how
Usenapp (my Usenet client) does not have ROT13 built in. It used to but it was
removed. So I added it. I do have to paste after it runs, but no need to run
to a different system. Here:

And the video on how I did that:

https://youtu.be/s2r6tsdOfk8

I have some services I should likely remove to make the menu shorter, but
still just real easy to make (OK, I looked up the command line tool to make
ROT13 that easy), and real easy to use. To me having that ability to add
things to apps or to otherwise streamflow workflows is more important than
specs.

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 10:58:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.063ljs0rmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:52:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.061pvodtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>>>
>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>
>>>> Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
>>>> services you think are important.
>>>
>>> I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.
>>
>> You don't use the fire department until you need it.
>
> You have home insurance. That would cover the fire department. But you could
> choose to risk it and have no insurance.

Home insurance does not pay for the fire department, they pay for fire damage.
And they certainly do not pay to cover the 20+ fires burning within 20 miles
or so of me.

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On 25/07/2021 18:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On 2021-07-25, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid> wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 22:41, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-24, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 24/07/2021 16:53, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 09:13:25, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid>
>>>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>>>> On 24/07/2021 00:35, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 6:59 p.m., Chris wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> Yeah, it would take someone who _really_ hates Apple to say bad
>>>>>>> things  about the M1 and the products which use it. No matter how you
>>>>>>> slice it,  they came out with what will long be regarded as one of
>>>>>>> the greatest  innovations in mobile computing. People might forget
>>>>>>> whatever machine  you're in front of at the moment, but they're not
>>>>>>> likely to forget how  much of an impact the M1 made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Question for you!  Why does your header info start with this line?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Path:
>>>>>> hunterbd.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-s
>>>>>> eptember.org!news.dns-netz.com!news.freedyn.net!newsreader4.netcologne.d
>>>>>> e!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer
>>>>>> 03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx33.iad.POS
>>>>>> TED!not-for-mail
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you talking about "=", or is that just something you've put in as a
>>>>> separator?
>>>>
>>>> I put it there myself as a separator!
>>>>
>>>>> If you're talking about the "Path: " line, that isn't how it left Chris:
>>>>> it's how that header line of his post looked when it got to you.
>>>>
>>>> It was from the header of Rabid Roach!
>>>
>>> Not as coming from the post of his you replied to.
>>>
>>> <https://i.ibb.co/8MR0xW7/path-follies.png>
>>
>> I don't recognise what you think may be wrong. :-(
>
> I used the wrong image so ignore it. The point is, the post you
> responded to didn't have the path you claimed it did.

I believe you are mistaken.

See: <m24kcjkqvh.fsf@raybanana.net>

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 23:59:16 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's
>>>>>>>>> a very
>>>>>>>>> slow laptop?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks,
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
>>>>>> processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
>>>>>> successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
>>>>>> from low-power mobile device space.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose you already know that Intel was in the ARM market
>>>>> and got out. This is from 2006, to give you some idea
>>>>> how long ago that was, that they dabbled in the stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2006/06/27/intel_sells_xscale/
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not a question of capability. Intel has lots of
>>>>> employees, it also regularly does M&A.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what is their strategy ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Have the legacy handcuffs been taken off ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Is that (partially) what Windows 11 is ?
>>>>> A kind of signal ?
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many possible outcomes, but I've no idea
>>>>> what ones make sense.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>
>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>
>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>
>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>
> Actually, you could do what I did for a few people back when I was
> building desktops. Find the parts Apple use, build your "PC desktop"
> with them, then install Mac OS on it.

Good luck finding an Apple M1 CPU and motherboard.

> Not only do you get the hardware about half the price, but you don't have
> to pay for the OS.

macOS has been free for the best part of a decade.

On 2021-07-25 1:35 p.m., David Brooks wrote:
> On 25/07/2021 17:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 19.24, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2021 14:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>> On 24/07/2021 10.17, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 24/07/2021 08:57, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:43:13 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <sdggah$fd1$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/07/2021 23:59, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose
>>>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed! :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right. I buy Macs when they serve me best for the least money. When
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> systems do I buy those.
>>>>>
>>>>> What hardware have you ever found which is BETTER than an Apple
>>>>> product?
>>>>
>>>> Define "better".
>>>
>>> That's hard to define.
>>>
>>> Like a Rolls Royce is better than a Ford - will that do? 🤣
>>
>> Depends how you define "better".
>>
>> A Rolls Royce is not better than a Ford because whereas both transport
>> me to the same places in a similar time, the Rolls Royce requires a
>> secure parking at the destination, it is more expensive to acquire, and
>> it is more expensive to maintain.
>
> Oh, you can't get to Heaven in an old Ford car
> 'Cause an old Ford car won't get that far!
>
> https://www.boyscouttrail.com/content/song/cant_get_to_heaven-1339.asp

I've never owned a Ford but I have owned a Chrysler-built Jeep and all I
can say is that every time I hear a car pass by my house with an odd
noise indicating that something is broken, it's a Chrysler. I don't
think it's even humanly possible for any manufacturer to make cars as
bad as they do.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18

On 2021-07-25 2:01 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone
>>>> else?
>>>
>>> Yes. We are.
>>>
>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>   enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>   We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>
>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who chose
>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them. It is
>> more contagious but also less potent.
>
> Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.

They're going to try to force you to do it before the end of the year if
you're in the United States. It doesn't matter that the CDC has
determined that the test is garbage and revoked its emergency use
proving that the case numbers were severely inflated, they always
intended to inject chemicals into you to severely compromise your health
either immediately or eventually. They were just looking for an excuse
to do so.

See the 1976 Swine Flu "epidemic" or the American government's
insistence that using DDT in the house was safe and every family should
do it for proof that they truly don't care about the people.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18

On Jul 25, 2021 at 3:25:04 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <sdkoc0$8aj$1@dont-email.me>:

>>>>>
>>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>>
>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>
>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>
>> Actually, you could do what I did for a few people back when I was
>> building desktops. Find the parts Apple use, build your "PC desktop"
>> with them, then install Mac OS on it.
>
> Good luck finding an Apple M1 CPU and motherboard.

Even with Intel Macs it is not as easy as many seem to think. And if you did
do it there was no reason to think the machine would be supported, and if you
ran into issues no way to get support from Apple, and Apple offers excellent
support.

>> Not only do you get the hardware about half the price, but you don't have
>> to pay for the OS.
>
> macOS has been free for the best part of a decade.

You pay for it with the hardware... he is talking about pirating.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In article <XEHKI.15055$6j.11687@fx04.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
wrote:

> >>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who chose
> >>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them. It is
> >>>> more contagious but also less potent.
> >>>
> >>> nonsense. not one word of that is even remotely correct.
> >>
> >> 1)
> >>
> >> <https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/dont-buy-the-hysteria-the-delta-variant-is-a
> >> ctu
> >> ally-less-dangerous/>
> >
> > that's an opinion piece. it's not authored by a physician nor does it
> > reference any clinical studies.
> >
> > also, the ny post is not a credible source. they used a reference to
> > shingles as a side effect of covid vaccines to try to make it look bad.
>
> Similarly, what you just wrote is an opinion.

what i wrote is based on current medical knowledge about covid, backed
up by numerous clinical tests and research, and viruses in general.

your claim that the delta variant was 'created' by those who were
vaccinated is laughably wrong and shows a deep lack of understanding of
basic biology, let alone medicine. it's not how anything works.

you also failed to provide evidence that any of the covid vaccines
(there are several) 'is likely to kill' those who take it.

the reality is the opposite. the vaccines are very safe. the danger is
*not* getting vaccinated, which is likely to result in illness or
death, and for more than just the person refusing to be vaccinated.

> However, I'd like for you
> to argue with German health experts since you're knowledgeable about
> everything under the sun. I'm sure that they know much less than you do.
>
> <https://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/short_news/german-health-experts-be
> lieve-delta-variant-not-more-dangerous-than-others/>

another fluff piece and a logical fallacy.

you don't even understand what you're reading.

*your* link confirms the delta variant is more contagious, which alone
makes it more dangerous if everything else was the same (which it
isn't). to then claim it's not as dangerous is contradictory.

delta is roughly twice as likely to transmit to another host, so even
if it's less virulent (which it isn't), the net effect is worse.

as it turns out, delta is *more* virulent, being twice as likely to
result in hospitalization.
<https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)0135
8-1/fulltext>
In summary, we show that the Delta VOC in Scotland was found mainly
in younger, more affluent groups. Risk of COVID-19 hospital admission
was approximately doubled in those with the Delta VOC when compared
to the Alpha VOC, with risk of admission particularly increased in
those with five or more relevant comorbidities.

<https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/the-danger-of-the-delta-vari
ant/>
Delta¹s greater virulence means that unvaccinated people who become
infected will be sicker and the burden on the health care system will
be greater. Evidence suggests, for example, that an unvaccinated
person with Delta infection is roughly twice as likely to require
hospital treatment than a person infected with the previously
dominant variant.

the delta variant has also been linked to new symptoms not seen with
other variants:
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-06-07/gangrene-hearing-los
s-point-to-delta-variant-being-more-severe>
Hearing impairment, severe gastric upsets and blood clots leading
to gangrene, symptoms not typically seen in Covid patients, have
been linked by doctors in India to the so-called delta variant. In
England and Scotland, early evidence suggests the strain -- which is
also now dominant there -- carries a higher risk of hospitalization.

tl;dr - the delta variant is worse.

> >>
> >> <https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/why-is-the-delta-variant-so-much-more-
> >> co
> >> ntagious/ss-AAMrajt>
> >
> > they're correct that it's more contagious, which is a significant
> > problem.
>
> A stomach flu is more contagious than that. Should we be worried about
> that too and shut down our entire economy, impoverishing millions and
> starving out others because someone might start taking a few dozen dumps
> a day and vomiting?

covid and stomach flu, aka norovirus, are two wildly different things.

trying to compare them shows just how little you understand about
either one.

norovirus outbreaks *do* cause shutdowns, and it's quite common too.

see below for numerous examples. there were so many that i stopped
listing them.

you fail to understand that covid is a pandemic, with *significantly*
more cases and deaths than norovirus, and why measures to control its
spread need to be stronger.

as of right now, there have been more than 35 million covid cases, more
than 625,000 deaths, with ~5 million currently active cases.

norovirus is a tiny fraction of that, at about 900 deaths per *year* in
the usa.

at covid's peak last january, there were ~4500 deaths *per* *day* in
the usa.

five times as many covid deaths in one day than norovirus has in an
entire year.

the math is very simple.

and death isn't the only bad outcome. in addition to being sick for
days or weeks, there's also long term covid.

norovirus is normally over in a few days with no lingering symptoms,
whereas a substantial number of those who got covid and recovered have
long term issues to varying degrees.

<https://www.denverpost.com/2019/11/20/mesa-county-schools-stomach-flu-n
orovirus/>
In an unprecedented move, all 46 Mesa County schools will close
Thursday and Friday as two highly contagious viruses continue to
sicken hundreds of staff and students.

The closure means that the district¹s approximately 22,000 students
won¹t return to class until Dec. 2 because the schools are closed the
entire week of Thanksgiving.

<https://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-school-closes-after-100-student
s-staff-call-out-sick-with-suspected-norovirus>
SEATTLE -- More than 100 students and staff at a Seattle public
school were reported as sick Thursday in an apparent outbreak of
norovirus.

Leschi Elementary School will be closed Friday. The building will
undergo a cleaning by the school's custodial staff. No staff or
students can be in the building, under order of Public Health --
Seattle & King County.

<https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/norovirus-norwalk-babson-col
lege-flu/>
An outbreak of stomach flu believed to be caused by norovirus has
prompted a temporary shutdown of Babson College, a small business
college and graduate school in Babson Park, Mass. School officials
announced that classes, meetings, athletic events and all other
activities would be canceled until Wednesday, when the school is
expected to have the outbreak under control.

<https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-norovirus-chipotle-simi-va
lley-illness-20150904-story.html>
Officials believe that an outbreak of norovirus is responsible for
sickening dozens of patrons at a Ventura County Chipotle restaurant
earlier this month.
....
Managers shut down the restaurant Friday, Aug. 21, threw out all
remaining food and disinfected all surfaces, according to health
officials. It reopened the next morning, health officials say, but
managers told the 18 employees who had been sickened to stay
home.

<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stomach-virus-shutters-greater-albany-scho
ol-district-oregon-2019-11-25/>
The rapid spread of a stomach virus through the Greater Albany
School District has forced the closure of all schools in the district
for the rest of the week. The closure comes days after a Colorado
school district of about 22,000 students was forced to close after a
similar viral outbreak tore through its 46 schools.

<https://abcnews.go.com/US/chicago-school-shutters-800-kids-50-staff-ill
/story?id=44700163>
A Chicago high school shut down for a second day Wednesday after a
suspected outbreak of norovirus sickened some 800 students and 50
staff, school officials said.
....
The St. Charles East High School is home to about 2,500 students and
100 staff, many of whom reported telltale signs of the virus, which
include diarrhea, throwing up, nausea and stomach pain, according to
officials.

<https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2019/05/16/norovirus-outbrea
k-vancouver-hotel-100-people-infected-canada/3695872002/>
The Sheraton Vancouver Airport Hotel was forced to shut down after
more than 100 people got sick with what health officials believe to
be norovirus over the weekend.

<https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/illinois-arbys-restaurant-linked-to-n
early-100-norovirus-cases>
An Illinois Arby¹s restaurant temporarily closed this week after
nearly 100 people were sickened after eating there.

In article <n1mLI.18182$_fgb.16130@fx01.iad>, Rabid Roach
<rabid@roa.ch> wrote:

>
> They're going to try to force you to do it before the end of the year if
> you're in the United States. It doesn't matter that the CDC has
> determined that the test is garbage and revoked its emergency use
> proving that the case numbers were severely inflated, they always
> intended to inject chemicals into you to severely compromise your health
> either immediately or eventually. They were just looking for an excuse
> to do so.

obvious trolling.

In article <4nIKI.24279$Nq7.7272@fx33.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
wrote:

> >>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
> >>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
> >>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
> >>> so why would they bother?
> >>>
> >>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that
> >>> it
> >>> was a mature product when launched.
> >>
> >> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
> >
> > Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>
> Yeah, it would take someone who _really_ hates Apple to say bad things
> about the M1 and the products which use it. No matter how you slice it,
> they came out with what will long be regarded as one of the greatest
> innovations in mobile computing. People might forget whatever machine
> you're in front of at the moment, but they're not likely to forget how
> much of an impact the M1 made.

keep in mind that m1 is just the *first* of what's to come.

the next version is coming in a couple of months, possibly more than
one.

In article <5PHKI.58907$h8.16236@fx47.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
wrote:

> >
> >>>> Remind us which side wants to limit both the First and the Second
> >>>> Amendments.
> >>>
> >>> neither side does.
> >>
> >> Lie. The left has made it clear that it wants the First to be limited or
> >> eliminated and the Second to be repealed. You'd have to completely
> >> ignore the media and the politicians speaking for the past few years to
> >> even think that you could get away with such a false statement.
> >
> > there's nothing false about it.
> >
> > nobody is calling for the first or second amendments to be repealed.
> >
> > also, the people with the most views/likes/retweets/etc. on facebook,
> > twitter and various other social media platforms are almost entirely on
> > the right.
> >
> > not exactly an effective limit, is it?
>
> Once again, you lie:
>
> The mainstream news:
>
> <https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/repeal-second-amendment-gun-control
> />
> <https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/why-its-time-to-repeal-the-
> second-amendment-95622/>
> <https://www.huffpost.com/entry/second-amendment_b_2330496>
>
> <https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/contributors/valley-voice/2021/03/01/
> voice-its-time-repeal-second-amendment/4508027001/>
>
> <https://time.com/5216782/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment/>
>
> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/repealing-the-second-amendment-is-it-even-possib
> le/>

those are opinions, not actual attempts to repeal anything, and an
example of the first amendment in action. so much for 'limiting free
speech'.

what's your solution for reducing gun violence?

something needs to be done, which even hardcore gun nuts agree.

also, john paul stevens was a republican appointee. so much for it
being 'the left'.

> Politicians themselves:
>
> <https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a19604852/democrats-repeal-second-amend
> ment/>
>
> <https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/04/the-2020-democratic-party-platform-on-seco
> nd-amendment-rights/>
>
> <https://reason.com/2019/06/26/democrats-reveal-their-hostility-to-the-second-
> amendment/>
>
> <https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/11/hawaii-democrat-lawmakers-repea
> l-or-amend-second-amendment/>
>
> <https://www.westernjournal.com/dnc-vice-chair-publicly-demands-repeal-of-the-
> 2nd-amendment/>
>
> <https://freebeacon.com/issues/louisiana-democratic-party-chair-suggests-repea
> ling-second-amendment/>

politicians say a lot of things, very little of it based in reality.

their goal is fundraising and to get re-elected.

>
> And that's just the Second Amendment. Now on to the first:
>
>
> <https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/adam-schiff-renews-the-
> democratic-war-against-the-first-amendment>
> <https://reason.com/2014/09/11/democrats-fail-to-amend-the-first-amendm/>
>
> <https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrats-house-first-amendment-
> second-amendment/>
>
> <https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/09/the-democrats-escalate-their-w
> ar-on-free-speech.php>

there's a lot of disinformation and flat out bogus info in those links.

it's fashionable to bash 'the left' about censorship, but the reality
is that 'the right' is actively trying to censor anything they don't
like, including wanting to repeal section 230, which will not have the
effect they think it will.

trump demanded that parler ban anyone who criticized him, which is a
direct violation of the first amendment. parler told him to get
stuffed.
<https://thehill.com/policy/technology/560682-parler-refused-to-ban-trum
p-critics-to-get-him-to-join-book>
Parler and former President Trump were in talks to get Trump on
the platform, but they stalled after Parler refused to ban those who
criticized the former president, Michael Wolff¹s book about Trump¹s
last days in office says.

florida republican governor ron desantis filed a bogus and performative
lawsuit, where social media platforms will be fined if they ban people,
is a direct attack against the first amendment, and in what was no
surprise to anyone, it was quickly blocked by a judge. one of the more
amusing parts of the lolsuit was that theme parks get an exemption.
apparently disney paid him off.

another example is trump's bogus and performative lawsuit against
facebook, twitter and youtube, which is yet another attack against the
first amendment and section 230, but also wrongly claims to be a class
action lawsuit and was filed in the wrong court. it's going absolutely
nowhere. its sole intent was to extract money from his ignorant
followers, who are too stupid to know any better. there's even a
website where people can 'join' the lawsuit by making a donation,
except that the fine print says donations are not for the lawsuit nor
is anyone actually joining anything (other than a mailing list).

yet another example is when trump threatened to revoke tv stations
licenses because they were critical of him, another clear attack on the
first amendment.
<https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-26/trump-campaign-s-thr
eat-on-tv-licenses-may-be-mostly-bluster>
President Donald Trump¹s campaign, in a letter on Wednesday,
told stations in five battleground states to stop showing the ad from
Priorities USA, a political action committee that supports Democratic
candidate Joe Biden.

that's just a few of many examples and the pattern is quite clear.

> I guess that despite your infinite knowledge, you never managed to
> notice what every living, breathing Westerner has seen in the news ad
> nauseum over the past decade. Of course, you'll never apologize because
> you're so perfect.

ad hominem. resorting to insults means you can't refute anything.

> >>>> I saved the link and people are free to either watch physicians who
> >>>> actually know what they're talking about
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://tv.gab.com/channel/r04ch/view/doctors-admit-that-vaccinated-will-
> >>>> d
> >>>> ie-60fadc7a8d0a91ce5a5a0499>
> >>>> or read your ignorance.
> >>>
> >>> they don't know what they're talking about and neither do you.
> >>
> >> Yep. _Doctors_ know less about medicine and health than some guy on
> >> Usenet who has consistently been wrong about just about everything to
> >> Snit-like levels.
> >
> > explain why only those doctors have the correct answers and why just
> > about every other doctor in the entire medical profession worldwide is
> > wrong, why countless clinical studies worldwide are wrong and why the
> > vaccines have proven to be extremely safe and effective.
> >
> > claims that any of the covid vaccines will kill people in three years
> > is nutjob material. there is *zero* evidence of that, and significant
> > evidence to the contrary.
> >
> > conspiracy theories are amusing, up until they're dangerous and end up
> > killing people.
>
> We'll see how true those statements end up being in 2023. I don't
> believe that they are safe and since I'm in excellent health, I have no
> desire to risk compromising any of that with a vaccine which, as of yet,
> has not been approved by the FDA or even Health Canada outside of
> emergency situations. They're authorized for any of you who are willing
> to submit to the human experiment but not approved.

the vaccines (plural, there are several) are *not* an experiment.

they have been extensively tested (more so than usual) and shown to be
very safe and very effective.

the difference between eua and full approval is logistics, not safety:

<https://vaccine.unchealthcare.org/science/vaccine-approval/whats-the-di
fference-between-fda-emergency-use-authorization-and-fda-approval/>
In a public health emergency, manufacturing and approval of vaccines
can be streamlined through an Emergency Use Authorization or EUA.
An EUA does not affect vaccine safety, because it does not impact
development, such as research, clinical studies and the studying
of side effects and adverse reactions. Instead, it speeds up
manufacturing and administrative processes.
....
All vaccines follow the same testing processes, whether they are
approved for emergency use or through a typical license.
....
In a public health emergency, manufacturing may occur while vaccines
are still in development, rather than after approval. These efforts
happen simultaneously, and instead of filing for a BLA, the
manufacturer files for Emergency Use Authorization.

On Jul 25, 2021 at 8:26:13 PM MST, "nospam" wrote
<250720212326133456%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

> In article <5PHKI.58907$h8.16236@fx47.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>>>> Remind us which side wants to limit both the First and the Second
>>>>>> Amendments.
>>>>>
>>>>> neither side does.
>>>>
>>>> Lie. The left has made it clear that it wants the First to be limited or
>>>> eliminated and the Second to be repealed. You'd have to completely
>>>> ignore the media and the politicians speaking for the past few years to
>>>> even think that you could get away with such a false statement.
>>>
>>> there's nothing false about it.
>>>
>>> nobody is calling for the first or second amendments to be repealed.
>>>
>>> also, the people with the most views/likes/retweets/etc. on facebook,
>>> twitter and various other social media platforms are almost entirely on
>>> the right.
>>>
>>> not exactly an effective limit, is it?
>>
>> Once again, you lie:
>>
>> The mainstream news:
>>
>> <https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/repeal-second-amendment-gun-control/>
>> <https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/why-its-time-to-repeal-the-second-amendment-95622/>
>> <https://www.huffpost.com/entry/second-amendment_b_2330496>
>>
>> <https://www.desertsun.com/story/opinion/contributors/valley-voice/2021/03/01/voice-its-time-repeal-second-amendment/4508027001/>
>>
>> <https://time.com/5216782/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-amendment/>
>>
>> <https://www.cbsnews.com/news/repealing-the-second-amendment-is-it-even-possible/>
>
> those are opinions, not actual attempts to repeal anything, and an
> example of the first amendment in action. so much for 'limiting free
> speech'.
>
> what's your solution for reducing gun violence?

Prediction: either nothing or some bigoted crap.

>
> something needs to be done, which even hardcore gun nuts agree.

Most gun owners want universal background checks.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 25, 2021 at 8:26:10 PM MST, "nospam" wrote
<250720212326103248%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

> In article <n1mLI.18182$_fgb.16130@fx01.iad>, Rabid Roach
> <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>>
>> They're going to try to force you to do it before the end of the year if
>> you're in the United States. It doesn't matter that the CDC has
>> determined that the test is garbage and revoked its emergency use
>> proving that the case numbers were severely inflated, they always
>> intended to inject chemicals into you to severely compromise your health
>> either immediately or eventually. They were just looking for an excuse
>> to do so.
>
> obvious trolling.

He is obviously actively ignorant.

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On Jul 25, 2021 at 8:26:07 PM MST, "nospam" wrote
<250720212326073087%nospam@nospam.invalid>:

> In article <XEHKI.15055$6j.11687@fx04.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who chose
>>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them. It is
>>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>>
>>>>> nonsense. not one word of that is even remotely correct.
>>>>
>>>> 1)
>>>>
>>>> <https://nypost.com/2021/07/08/dont-buy-the-hysteria-the-delta-variant-is-a>
>>>> ctu
>>>> ally-less-dangerous/>
>>>
>>> that's an opinion piece. it's not authored by a physician nor does it
>>> reference any clinical studies.
>>>
>>> also, the ny post is not a credible source. they used a reference to
>>> shingles as a side effect of covid vaccines to try to make it look bad.
>>
>> Similarly, what you just wrote is an opinion.
>
> what i wrote is based on current medical knowledge about covid, backed
> up by numerous clinical tests and research, and viruses in general.

Slimer does not understand the concept of support.

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