On 7/20/21 8:36 PM, Bears wrote:
> On 7/20/21 3:12 PM, this is what Wade Garrett wrote:
>> On 7/20/21 11:42 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>
>> For years, I've used a piece of quarter inch Masonite cut to the exact
>> size of my laptop when forced to rest the device on a soft surface.
>>
>> Works great, weighs next to nothing, just about free. I keep several
>> of them around the house in locations where I use my laptop.
>>
>>
> I like your Masonite idea however I bought one of these, the padded
> bottom is easier on bare legs.
> And I surely didn't buy it for that much 8 years ago.  More like $25.
> https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-Laptop-CushDesk-Pitch-Black/dp/B0026RL6P8/ref=sr_1_32?dchild=1&keywords=belkin+Notebook+pad&qid=1626827559&s=electronics&sr=1-32
>
>
That's a nice product OK, but it's not sized exactly- being too big for
a compact-sized laptop. Also, it's thicker than I'd want to stick in a
backpack or carry-on suitcase and more than I'd want to spend to have
several of them around the house.

Even with today's crazy limber prices, home center stores sell a 4x8
sheet of Masonite for under $12, a 2X4 sheet for under $4 and the pieces
in the scrap bin are free, especially if you send a good-looking wife or
girlfriend in!

Glue a layer or two of felt on the bottom and your bare legs will be
just fine :-)

--
If God intended for us to have big government, there would've been 1,000
Commandments.

Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:52:35 -0400, "Mayayana"
> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
>>
>> | Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>> lap? It should come in one side and out the other.
>>
>> They're too busy trying to remove another 1 mm of thickness. Side
>> ventilation would make it thicker. It might make sense to put
>> raised areas on the bottom, but again that adds to thickness.
>>
>
> My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.

I generally use my Dell LT with the bottom grill on a cloth surface. I
can tell when it gets hot when the fan starts. I used to then sit it on
top of my Android tablet (face down) until it cooled off and the fan
stopped running. After awhile I said screw it and just let it be hot -
sink or swim. So far its been swimming but the fan noise is annoying.
Final solution: Using this grill free fan free Chromebook which does
what I need most of the time anyway. Aren't technical solutions wonderful...

"Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote

| My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
| I didn't know there was any such design. I'm always
careful to put them on a hard surface, so our laptop here
could even have side vents that I haven't noticed. (HP)

Awhile back a friend asked me to fix her Win8.1 laptop.
She'd been loading photos when it died and the hard disk
had to be dismantled to get the data. I imagined her
sitting up in bed, loading pictures of her kids, with the
laptop resting on a nice, fluffy blanket and cooking the
hard disk. The worst part is that there really isn't any
reason for the average person to think that might be a
problem. And I suppose in that case even side vents might
get covered.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:48:19 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:

> On 20/07/2021 17:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>
>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>> fan! ;-)
>>>
>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>
>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>> that's a very slow laptop?
>
> You really do need to keep your finger on the pulse, m8! ;-)
>
> Read here:- https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/reviews/macbook-air-2020-m1

No, you tell me. It's either powerful or cool, not both. If they claim both, it probably thermally throttles if you work it hard for more than several seconds.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:49:37 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06t8fqy1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:32:09 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 8:42:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.06t5w4hhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It
>>>> should come in one side and out the other.
>>>
>>> Convection cooling.
>>
>> No, it's forced by the fan.
>
> They make use of the convection cooling as well. This means the fan can be
> smaller and less noisy.

Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at minimum speed.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>
>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>> fan! ;-)
>>>
>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>
>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a powerful
>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's a very
>> slow laptop?
>
> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>
> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>
> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are amazingly fast
> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.

I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual process that's been going on for decades.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 17:35:05 +0100, Mayayana <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

> "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote
>
> | My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
> |
> I didn't know there was any such design. I'm always
> careful to put them on a hard surface, so our laptop here
> could even have side vents that I haven't noticed. (HP)
>
> Awhile back a friend asked me to fix her Win8.1 laptop.
> She'd been loading photos when it died and the hard disk
> had to be dismantled to get the data. I imagined her
> sitting up in bed, loading pictures of her kids, with the
> laptop resting on a nice, fluffy blanket and cooking the
> hard disk. The worst part is that there really isn't any
> reason for the average person to think that might be a
> problem. And I suppose in that case even side vents might
> get covered.

I was once called to a desktop that had stopped running. The power supply fan had failed but nobody noticed (who would?), and the hard disk was directly on top of the power supply. The disk had seized solid and was painful to touch. Luckily it was networked and all the data was stored centrally.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 19:00:00 +0100, Jack Lemmon <invalid@invalid.net> wrote:

> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Why do laptops take air from underneath
>
> How else can they burn your penis?

TAKE air.

>> which won't work on your lap?
>
> It should work. There has been cases where people have burned them very badly.

So it doesn't then.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:29:21 +0100, Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:

> On 7/20/21 3:25 PM, LegionX wrote:
>> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> For years, I've used a piece of quarter inch Masonite cut to the exact size of my laptop when forced to rest the device on a soft surface. Works great, weighs next to nothing, just about free.<
>>
>> That's a well thought out genius life hack before the phrase was
>> coined. Kudos to you.
>>
>>> I keep several of them around the house in locations where I use my laptop.<
>>
>> We're going to make a few of these ourselves now. Thanks again for
>> the seriously good idea!
>>
>>> Why is it that the people who want more government control over your life are the same ones who want you to be disarmed?<
>>
>> That's a rhetorical question yea?
>>
>>
> Regretfully not!

The answer is because they're the same thing. The government can't control people who can defend themselves.

The question should be, why the fuck would anyone want government control?

On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:21:18 +0100, LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>
>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It should come in one side and out the other.<
>
> Some would argue the laptop can better cool if pulling air from
> the bottom and spreading it around the inside before it leaves
> thru a vent. Others would argue it could do a better job if it
> did as you have described. Several of us have seen laptop
> manufacturers do it both ways.
>
> None of us could tell you that it did or did not really make a
> difference. The ones which didn't use a bottom facing fan put out
> just as much heat under various loads as the ones that did use a
> fan on the bottom.

Now try them on a soft flexible surface like your lap, which blocks the intake of one type.

> We're happy both designs helped get rid of it.
> Our AC system no doubt wasn't quite as amused.

My AC system wants me to paint the conservatory roof.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:

> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>
>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>
>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>
>>
>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>
> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
> library the world has ever seen.

So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a fan. Not really a computer without graphics.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:15:16 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>
> They're not designed to actually sit on your lap... :-/

They're called laptops for a reason, that's where the home ones go. Office ones might be on a desk or train table.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:35:05 -0400, "Mayayana"
<mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:

>"Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote
>
>| My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
>|
> I didn't know there was any such design. I'm always
>careful to put them on a hard surface, so our laptop here
>could even have side vents that I haven't noticed. (HP)
>
> Awhile back a friend asked me to fix her Win8.1 laptop.
>She'd been loading photos when it died and the hard disk
>had to be dismantled to get the data. I imagined her
>sitting up in bed, loading pictures of her kids, with the
>laptop resting on a nice, fluffy blanket and cooking the
>hard disk. The worst part is that there really isn't any
>reason for the average person to think that might be a
>problem. And I suppose in that case even side vents might
>get covered.
>
I remember using cigarette smoke to find out how air moved. So not
smoking now, I need another way to check air movement !!!!!!!!!!!!

KenW

On 21/07/2021 17:47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:48:19 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 20/07/2021 17:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>
>> You really do need to keep your finger on the pulse, m8! ;-)
>>
>> Read here:-  https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/reviews/macbook-air-2020-m1
>
> No, you tell me.  It's either powerful or cool, not both.  If they claim
> both, it probably thermally throttles if you work it hard for more than
> several seconds.

I can't tell you. I'm not allowed to use it! 🤣

On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>> powerful
>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's a
>>> very
>>> slow laptop?
>>
>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>
>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>
>>
>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>> amazingly fast
>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>
> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer.  There's no way
> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
> process that's been going on for decades.

Nope!

Apple *HAS* made them - *NEW* M1 chips.

https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/

On Jul 21, 2021 at 10:03:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06v4b4ghmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>
>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>
>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>> library the world has ever seen.
>
> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU?

It does -- but it is an integrated one.

> No wonder it doesn't need a fan. Not really a computer without graphics.

It has graphics... and in real world use it works very well.

https://youtu.be/MtLIE74nl-0

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On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:59:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06v35ah9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:29:21 +0100, Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
>
>> On 7/20/21 3:25 PM, LegionX wrote:
>>> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> For years, I've used a piece of quarter inch Masonite cut to the exact size
>>>> of my laptop when forced to rest the device on a soft surface. Works great,
>>>> weighs next to nothing, just about free.<> That's a well thought out genius
>>>> life hack before the phrase was
>>> coined. Kudos to you.
>>>
>>>> I keep several of them around the house in locations where I use my
>>>> laptop.<> We're going to make a few of these ourselves now. Thanks again
>>>> for
>>> the seriously good idea!
>>>
>>>> Why is it that the people who want more government control over your life
>>>> are the same ones who want you to be disarmed?<> That's a rhetorical
>>>> question yea?
>>>
>>>
>> Regretfully not!
>
> The answer is because they're the same thing. The government can't control
> people who can defend themselves.
>
> The question should be, why the fuck would anyone want government control?

I just want a government that has more fair and equal representation.

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On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:52:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06v3uejzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a powerful
>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's a very
>>> slow laptop?
>>
>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>
>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>
>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are amazingly fast
>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>
> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way someone
> has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual process that's
> been going on for decades.

Apple has been working on their own chips for a long time -- for the iPhone
and iPads and others. There are other ARM chips and MS has a version of
Windows that runs on them, it sucks.

https://youtu.be/OhESSZIXvCA

The M1 crushes the competition, at least for now.

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On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:51:58 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06v3swrbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:49:37 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06t8fqy1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:32:09 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 8:42:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.06t5w4hhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It
>>>>> should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> Convection cooling.
>>>
>>> No, it's forced by the fan.
>>
>> They make use of the convection cooling as well. This means the fan can be
>> smaller and less noisy.
>
> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at minimum speed.

It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of convection cooling.

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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
news:hm_JI.28790$qk6.8957@fx36.iad:

> On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:59:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06v35ah9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:29:21 +0100, Wade Garrett
>> <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/20/21 3:25 PM, LegionX wrote:
>>>> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> For years, I've used a piece of quarter inch Masonite cut to
>>>>> the exact size of my laptop when forced to rest the device on
>>>>> a soft surface. Works great, weighs next to nothing, just
>>>>> about free.<> That's a well thought out genius life hack
>>>>> before the phrase was
>>>> coined. Kudos to you.
>>>>
>>>>> I keep several of them around the house in locations where I
>>>>> use my laptop.<> We're going to make a few of these ourselves
>>>>> now. Thanks again for
>>>> the seriously good idea!
>>>>
>>>>> Why is it that the people who want more government control
>>>>> over your life are the same ones who want you to be
>>>>> disarmed?<> That's a rhetorical question yea?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Regretfully not!
>>
>> The answer is because they're the same thing. The government
>> can't control people who can defend themselves.
>>
>> The question should be, why the fuck would anyone want government
>> control?
>
> I just want a government that has more fair and equal
> representation.
>

I just want a government who prosecutes undeserving people taking
advantage of the system and in effect taking government assistance
from those who truly deserve and need it.

These grifters and welface cheats should be prosecuted to the fullest
extent of the law and forced to make restition on every penny they
scammed the government out of.

And it's going to begin as Biden is spending money the government
doesn't have. The IRS is already gearing up to begin massive audits
targeting suspected tax cheats.

Get ready for neighbor to turn on neighbor.
It's happening already.

On 21/07/2021 20.32, KenW wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:35:05 -0400, "Mayayana"
> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>> "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote
>>
>> | My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
>> |
>> I didn't know there was any such design. I'm always
>> careful to put them on a hard surface, so our laptop here
>> could even have side vents that I haven't noticed. (HP)
>>
>> Awhile back a friend asked me to fix her Win8.1 laptop.
>> She'd been loading photos when it died and the hard disk
>> had to be dismantled to get the data. I imagined her
>> sitting up in bed, loading pictures of her kids, with the
>> laptop resting on a nice, fluffy blanket and cooking the
>> hard disk. The worst part is that there really isn't any
>> reason for the average person to think that might be a
>> problem. And I suppose in that case even side vents might
>> get covered.
>>
> I remember using cigarette smoke to find out how air moved. So not
> smoking now, I need another way to check air movement !!!!!!!!!!!!

Incense sticks :-)

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On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:47:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06v3ks1emvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:48:19 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 20/07/2021 17:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>
>> You really do need to keep your finger on the pulse, m8! ;-)
>>
>> Read here:- https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/reviews/macbook-air-2020-m1
>
> No, you tell me. It's either powerful or cool, not both. If they claim both,
> it probably thermally throttles if you work it hard for more than several
> seconds.

It rarely gets throttled in general use... but it can be if you work it hard
for a few minutes (say a video render). A bit long, but a fairly thorough
review after using it for 9 months:

https://youtu.be/se-7rjV6z0s

Used for video editing and more... and it has excellent battery life and
performance, and rarely throttles -- or when it does it is not much slower.

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Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>
>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>
>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>> library the world has ever seen.
>
> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.

"The included GPU has 8 cores as well,
with 128 total compute units and 2.6 teraflops (FP32)
of throughput (there is one exception here: the
entry level MacBook Air uses a version of the
M1 with a 7-core GPU). The "unified memory"
replaces the need for separate RAM"

Which means the GPU works the same way as Intel Graphics
on a laptop does. It uses system memory.

The TerryFlops32 is about the same as HD 5870.
The best video card you can buy, might be
fifteen times as much TerryFlops32. And the Leet
Floppers only count the FP64 ones (because the
video card companies charge thousands for the privilege
of having large amounts of those). For example, my
video card has an "integer ratio" between FP32 units
and FP64 units, that makes FP64ing with the thing
a waste of time.

There's nothing wrong with that GPU. It's like
lots of other integrated graphics.

Paul

On Jul 21, 2021 at 5:12:42 PM MST, "Paul" wrote <sdad5q$fjg$1@dont-email.me>:

> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>
>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>
>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>
>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>
> "The included GPU has 8 cores as well,
> with 128 total compute units and 2.6 teraflops (FP32)
> of throughput (there is one exception here: the
> entry level MacBook Air uses a version of the
> M1 with a 7-core GPU). The "unified memory"
> replaces the need for separate RAM"
>
> Which means the GPU works the same way as Intel Graphics
> on a laptop does. It uses system memory.

Correct.

> The TerryFlops32 is about the same as HD 5870.
> The best video card you can buy, might be
> fifteen times as much TerryFlops32. And the Leet
> Floppers only count the FP64 ones (because the
> video card companies charge thousands for the privilege
> of having large amounts of those). For example, my
> video card has an "integer ratio" between FP32 units
> and FP64 units, that makes FP64ing with the thing
> a waste of time.
>
> There's nothing wrong with that GPU. It's like
> lots of other integrated graphics.

Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
machine.

>
> Paul

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Chris wrote:
> On 20/07/2021 17:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>
>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>> fan! ;-)
>>>
>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>
>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>> that's a very slow laptop?
>
> Nope the opposite. It's a very fast CPU. The big difference is that it's
> based on Arm architecture and bigLITTLE rather than x86_64. The same
> physics, but better :)

Intel has its own bigLITTLE in the pipe, and as
we speak, Microsoft staff are trying to figure out
what to do with the Scheduler (that assigns
time slices).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Lake_%28microprocessor%29

One of the complains I've seen in the past is,
"the customers notice that virtually all activity
is on LITTLE, and they wonder why they paid good
cash money for big cores, and the big cores sit
there unused".

I suspect Microsoft has to solve that problem too.

Paul