On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:24:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07purxdpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 19:48:01 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:34:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07ka7usimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:49:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:17:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07gk3a0zmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not. If it's vertical, warm air from the bottom component is
>>>>>>>>> rising past the next component so it cools not so good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think it works by having the hottest components at the top. Not sure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tend to set up fans that way, so the cool air crosses the disks first,
>>>>>>> ending with the GPU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You use convection to your advantage.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's all forced air, I just choose which things need to be kept cooler and
>>>>> which generate more heat. My fans do switch off or run very slowly when it's
>>>>> not thinking hard though, so there probably is convection, but I didn't design
>>>>> it for that, I only concern myself with the higher temperatures, since minimum
>>>>> speed fans are silent.
>>>>
>>>> On purpose or not you used convection to your advantage. Try pushing the air
>>>> the other way and see how well it works. I suspect less so.
>>>
>>> I doubt there would be much difference due to convection. The main difference
>>> would be I would be pushing hot air off the CPU and GPU onto the cooler disks.
>>
>> Would be interesting to see... though not enough where it is worth the effort.
>> :)
>
> I've tried all sorts of fan combinations. Blowing onto a very hot object is
> always better than sucking off it, so one fan on a CPU heatsink should blow
> across the heatsink, not pull the air off. Where a lot of heat is generated,
> it's best to get heat out of the case, instead of heating other components, or
> worse recirculating it back to the same component. A lot of graphics cards are
> stupid like this, they just blow into the case, when they could have a vent
> blowing out the back (which some do, although admittedly that's louder),
> compare these, the first puts all the heat outside the case, the second does
> not:
>
> https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/EejfUMcJjxmAHGBQ2rUU-u3EDVo=/0x36:678x417/1600x900/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50219041/Quadro_P6000_678x452.0.jpg
>
> https://www.zotac.com/download/files/news/desc/images/gtx1080ti_amp_extreme-09_quarter.jpg

I would agree it makes much more sense to blow the air out.

Also good to have a machine which makes less noise.

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On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:20:48 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07puky0lmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:43:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 02/08/2021 19:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news
>>>>>>>>>> media are
>>>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from
>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING
>>>>>>>>>> OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill
>>>>>>>>>> the virus".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus
>>>>>>>>>> attaching
>>>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which
>>>>>>>>>> are so
>>>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well
>>>>>>>>>> publicized
>>>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an
>>>>>>>>>> infected
>>>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks
>>>>>>>>>> BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be
>>>>>>>>>> "infected"
>>>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT
>>>>>>>>>> you still
>>>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN
>>>>>>>>>> INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies
>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you
>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more
>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Until you get a variant.
>>>>
>>>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>>>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>>>
>>> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>>
>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>
>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>
>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we
>>>> get an
>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>
>>> Expensive and unnecessary.
>>
>> It's ridiculously cheap. Treating seriously sick people is very, very
>> expensive. Preventing that with a two quid shot makes absolute sense
>> even when you multiply it up by the whole population.
>>
>> For example, for a measles outbreak in Liverpool the cost of dealing
>> with 2,458 cases cost 24x more than an additional 11,793 vaccines to
>> achieve herd immunity in the area.
>> =EF=BB=BFhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26944712/
>>
>> COVID treatment is far more expensive than for measles and the COVID vax
>> is cheaper than the MMR, so the economics of mass vaccination are even
>> more embarassingly obvious.
>
> Don't treat them then. Go back to school and learn what evolution is.

Treating them saves lives and money.

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On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:19:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07puitfnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 02:12:35 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 3:03:43 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se9q3u$t7o$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>>>> burglary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>>>>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>>>>
>>>> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.
>>>
>>> That's because he's not rational.
>>
>> Agreed. He tries to back his views by saying that they are just what he
>> wants... what he calls "common sense".
>
> You'd know what common sense was if you had it.

I understand you work to excuse your ignorance by saying it is just "common
sense". You use it to shun evidence and reason.

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On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:41:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:42:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07kbkil2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>
>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>
>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>
> Then we are all weak.

The variance is great, some are much stronger/weaker than others. Allow the weak to go away, and all is well.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:44:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07kbimv2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Not until it was close. And fires move VERY fast. So if my neighbor is insured
>>>>> they will fight the fire miles from me for him? He is them paying for me.
>>>>
>>>> If you had insurance with fire protection, you'd phone up and say "there's a
>>>> forest fire coming", or they'd already know. To protect themselves against
>>>> having to pay for the damage to your house, they would chip in to put the fire
>>>> out.
>>>
>>> The cost of the house would be FAR less than the cost of the work to put out
>>> the fire. Many times less.
>>
>> Not if the choices are putting out one fire or paying for 500 houses.
>
> You won't even wear a mask and you think people would pay voluntarily. Your
> claims are contradictory.

Most people voluntarily have home insurance. Most people voluntarily wear masks.

>>>>>> They are paid to make sure your home stays intact. They don't want to have to
>>>>>> pay out for everything in your home, so they put the fire out. If the forest
>>>>>> fire was threatening 500 homes, that's 500 policies that would pay for the
>>>>>> fire to be put out.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the other 499 are paying for me why should I pay? Let their insurance go
>>>>> up.
>>>>
>>>> You could if you wanted. But if a lot of people did that, there wouldn't be
>>>> enough money to put the fire out and it would be cheaper to just pay for the
>>>> lost houses. So, up to you, freedom of choice.
>>>
>>> Unless many people get the insurance the value goes down. More damage and loss
>>> and suffering.
>>>
>>> I prefer to have less suffering and better services.
>>
>> Then choose to pay for them.
>
> As with masks that does not work. You need to have it be done pretty much
> universally.

No, just a large number. 50% oughta do it.

Now, think about this:

Situation 1: One house near a forest.
Situation 2: 500 houses near another forest.

Logically, the 500 should pay a lot less towards keeping the forest not on fire. But your left wing bullshit makes them pay the same.

>>>>> Hell, we see that with masks ... why should I wear a mask when others will.
>>>>> YOU say that, don't you?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. Because masks aren't one way. That would be black magic.
>>>
>>> See: too many people deny the evidence and think only of themselves for the
>>> libertarian ideas to possibly work.
>>
>> I use common sense.
>
> You use that term to reject evidence. That is the opposite of common sense to
> me.

It is not evidence if given to me by someone else and is also illogical.

>> Explain to me how a mask knows which way the virus is going.
>
> Who said it did? You made that assumption based on a LACK of common sense.

Because you seem to think it reacts differently depending if the virus is going into or out of your mouth.

>> And why don't you just wear it inside out?
>
> Another example of your lack of common sense.

Well since you think they're one way, turning it round must reverse it.

On 2021-08-06 11:15 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>> follow the rules.
>>
>>
>> The lack of "Common sense" is:  With no cars visible in any direction,
>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>
>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>> winding road.
>>
>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>> no one is in the stadium.
>
> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared
> of stuff?  Well they've taken over.  Health and softy everywhere.
> Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.

Do you think you're a wimp if you don't want people to die needlessly?

Interesting... ...no: just sad.

On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:34:17 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07pu7fnsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:44:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07kbimv2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not until it was close. And fires move VERY fast. So if my neighbor is insured
>>>>>> they will fight the fire miles from me for him? He is them paying for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had insurance with fire protection, you'd phone up and say "there's a
>>>>> forest fire coming", or they'd already know. To protect themselves against
>>>>> having to pay for the damage to your house, they would chip in to put the fire
>>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> The cost of the house would be FAR less than the cost of the work to put out
>>>> the fire. Many times less.
>>>
>>> Not if the choices are putting out one fire or paying for 500 houses.
>>
>> You won't even wear a mask and you think people would pay voluntarily. Your
>> claims are contradictory.
>
> Most people voluntarily have home insurance. Most people voluntarily wear
> masks.

People with mortgages do not have the option -- they must have insurance. Many
others do get insurance, but it does not cover the things we talked about (say
paying for taking care of the forest fires around me). And many people do
voluntarily wear masks and take other common sense precautions, but others are
suing over wearing them and are otherwise being foolish. It is part of why the
US is seeing such a high resurgence of COVID. People simply will not do even
the basics to not harm others without their being laws and regulations to
prevent that.

In fact, that is at best what laws and regulations are for: to reduce the
chance of people harming each other and to have legal consequences when that
does happen.

>
>>>>>>> They are paid to make sure your home stays intact. They don't want to have to
>>>>>>> pay out for everything in your home, so they put the fire out. If the forest
>>>>>>> fire was threatening 500 homes, that's 500 policies that would pay for the
>>>>>>> fire to be put out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the other 499 are paying for me why should I pay? Let their insurance go
>>>>>> up.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could if you wanted. But if a lot of people did that, there wouldn't be
>>>>> enough money to put the fire out and it would be cheaper to just pay for the
>>>>> lost houses. So, up to you, freedom of choice.
>>>>
>>>> Unless many people get the insurance the value goes down. More damage and loss
>>>> and suffering.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer to have less suffering and better services.
>>>
>>> Then choose to pay for them.
>>
>> As with masks that does not work. You need to have it be done pretty much
>> universally.
>
> No, just a large number. 50% oughta do it.

Certainly better than 0%.

> Now, think about this:
>
> Situation 1: One house near a forest.
> Situation 2: 500 houses near another forest.
>
> Logically, the 500 should pay a lot less towards keeping the forest not on
> fire. But your left wing bullshit makes them pay the same.

People in cities pay more taxes. Your claim is simply incorrect.

>
>>>>>> Hell, we see that with masks ... why should I wear a mask when others will.
>>>>>> YOU say that, don't you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. Because masks aren't one way. That would be black magic.
>>>>
>>>> See: too many people deny the evidence and think only of themselves for the
>>>> libertarian ideas to possibly work.
>>>
>>> I use common sense.
>>
>> You use that term to reject evidence. That is the opposite of common sense to
>> me.
>
> It is not evidence if given to me by someone else and is also illogical.
>
>>> Explain to me how a mask knows which way the virus is going.
>>
>> Who said it did? You made that assumption based on a LACK of common sense.
>
> Because you seem to think it reacts differently depending if the virus is
> going into or out of your mouth.

What "seems" to you has precisely nothing to do with what I said or believe.

>>> And why don't you just wear it inside out?
>>
>> Another example of your lack of common sense.
>
> Well since you think they're one way, turning it round must reverse it.

Again, this is a fine example of you failing to understand and you not having
common sense.

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On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:29:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07puzgm6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>
>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>
>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>
>> Then we are all weak.
>
> The variance is great, some are much stronger/weaker than others. Allow the
> weak to go away, and all is well.

You make a lot of very bad assumptions.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>> follow the rules.
>>
>>
>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>
>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>> winding road.
>>
>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>> no one is in the stadium.
>
> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps. Remember
> when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared of stuff?
> Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere. Everyone thinks
> of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.

And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental deaths.

Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or wrong.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:43:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 02/08/2021 19:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we
>>>> get an
>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>
>>> Expensive and unnecessary.
>>
>> It's ridiculously cheap. Treating seriously sick people is very, very
>> expensive. Preventing that with a two quid shot makes absolute sense
>> even when you multiply it up by the whole population.
>>
>> For example, for a measles outbreak in Liverpool the cost of dealing
>> with 2,458 cases cost 24x more than an additional 11,793 vaccines to
>> achieve herd immunity in the area.
>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26944712/
>>
>> COVID treatment is far more expensive than for measles and the COVID vax
>> is cheaper than the MMR, so the economics of mass vaccination are even
>> more embarassingly obvious.
>
> Don't treat them then.

Would you have volunteered to dig the death pits? If we hadn't done
anything we'd have had to bury the equivalent of the population of Glasgow
or worse.

> Go back to school and learn what evolution is.

You'd be dead by now. Probably before you were 5.

On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>> follow the rules.
>>>
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>> winding road.
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>
>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps. Remember
>> when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared of stuff?
>> Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere. Everyone thinks
>> of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>
> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental deaths.
>
> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or wrong.

Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.

That does not mean I will not use my own views to judge evidence and look to
getting better evidence. My favorite example is for some time the best
evidence I could find said that classroom size had little or no impact on
teaching. As a teacher that was VERY much against my views, but I accepted I
might have my own biases. I did keep looking at the research and newer
research backed what the old research had not.

During the time I and the research disagreed I noted it, and I held to my
view, but I also knew I could not really use my own intuition as a good
argument for making change. Does not mean if I were in charge of a school I
would not have done would I could to keep sizes down!

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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
> <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>> wanting to follow the rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any
>>>> direction, standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait
>>>> for the traffic light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions
>>>> on a winding road.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your
>>>> self from Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a
>>>> foot ball field and no one is in the stadium.
>>>
>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>> scared of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy
>>> everywhere. Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead
>>> of using gut feeling.
>>
>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental
>> deaths.
>>
>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or
>> wrong.
>
> Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.

Me too.
This is pretty good evidence that you like breaking the law, snit.

https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6

On 8/6/2021 6:07 PM, Ely wrote:
> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:JeiPI.898$un2.538@fx04.iad:
>
>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
>> <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>> wanting to follow the rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any
>>>>> direction, standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait
>>>>> for the traffic light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions
>>>>> on a winding road.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your
>>>>> self from Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a
>>>>> foot ball field and no one is in the stadium.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>> scared of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy
>>>> everywhere. Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead
>>>> of using gut feeling.
>>>
>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental
>>> deaths.
>>>
>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or
>>> wrong.
>>
>> Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.
>
> Me too.
>
> This is pretty good evidence that you like breaking the law, snit.
>
> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>
> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.

Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
actions.

On 2021-08-06 5:17 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 8/6/2021 6:07 PM, Ely wrote:
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:JeiPI.898$un2.538@fx04.iad:
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>> <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>>> wanting to follow the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is:  With no cars visible in any
>>>>>> direction, standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait
>>>>>> for the traffic light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions
>>>>>> on a winding road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your
>>>>>> self from Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a
>>>>>> foot ball field and no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>>> scared of stuff? Well they've taken over.  Health and softy
>>>>> everywhere.  Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead
>>>>> of using gut feeling.
>>>>
>>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental
>>>> deaths.
>>>>
>>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or
>>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.
>>
>> Me too.
>> This is pretty good evidence that you like breaking the law, snit.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>>
>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>
> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>  A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
> actions.

Ummmm.... ...no.

Common sense is not just what one personally decides.

On Aug 6, 2021 at 5:24:18 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
<sekjri$t7a$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 2021-08-06 5:17 p.m., knuttle wrote:
>> On 8/6/2021 6:07 PM, Ely wrote:
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:JeiPI.898$un2.538@fx04.iad:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>>> <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>>>> wanting to follow the rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any
>>>>>>> direction, standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait
>>>>>>> for the traffic light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions
>>>>>>> on a winding road.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your
>>>>>>> self from Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a
>>>>>>> foot ball field and no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>>>> scared of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy
>>>>>> everywhere. Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead
>>>>>> of using gut feeling.
>>>>>
>>>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental
>>>>> deaths.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>> This is pretty good evidence that you like breaking the law, snit.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>>>
>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>
>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>> A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
>> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
>> actions.
>
> Ummmm.... ...no.
>
> Common sense is not just what one personally decides.

What is common sense is not something different people will agree on... where
evidence you can at least point to sources and backing.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 7/27/2021 10:42 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100,  wrote:
>
>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone
>>>> else?
>>>
>>> Yes. We are.
>>>
>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>  enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>  We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>
>>
>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>
>>         "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>
>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>> seriously ill or dying from the virus.  It DOES NOT prevent you from
>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with
>> the
>> virus!
>>
>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the
>> virus".
>>
>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus
>> attaching
>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>
>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
>> any symptoms...
>>
>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT
>> STILL
>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM -  before the virus inside you dies
>> because it
>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>
> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated.  You're actally more
> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.

LOL! That is one of the primary reasons Covid is so infectious,
ESPECIALLY by un-vaccinated people. Asymptomatic cases. Ever heard of
them? Certainly not the primary difference of vaccinated people. It is
more of a problem with Delta, in either case.

>
>> This is WHY wearing of masks IS NOT an issue of personal freedom... It
>> is a
>> matter of LOGICAL STRATEGY to defeat the virus' spreading - and
>> mutating -
>> until sufficient population are "vaccinated" to constructively defeat
>> this
>> incantation of this virus.
>
> I will wear what I want to wear and nobody will tell me otherwise.  Stop
> fussing over a bad flu that kills less than malaria, kidney disease, and
> cancer.

Quit spewing nonsense.

knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 8/6/2021 6:07 PM, Ely wrote:
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:JeiPI.898$un2.538@fx04.iad:
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>> <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>>> wanting to follow the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any
>>>>>> direction, standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait
>>>>>> for the traffic light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions
>>>>>> on a winding road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your
>>>>>> self from Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a
>>>>>> foot ball field and no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>>> scared of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy
>>>>> everywhere. Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead
>>>>> of using gut feeling.
>>>>
>>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental
>>>> deaths.
>>>>
>>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or
>>>> wrong.
>>>
>>> Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.
>>
>> Me too.
>>
>> This is pretty good evidence that you like breaking the law, snit.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>>
>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>
> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.

It's an excuse to justify your personal prejudice. The biggest problem is
that people then apply this bias to others by claiming it as "common
sense".

> A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
> actions.

Of course they can. That's their job. Whether you like it or not has
nothing to do with "common sense".

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:44:47 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:39:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07kbf3ttmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:51:16 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:15:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gkzbjomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK? Does not break out the cause.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It shows they're diminishing. Anyway, once we've all had it, nobody else can
>>>>>> catch it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The same people can get new variants, potentially. But the idea is to reduce
>>>>> the harm below what it would be if all got it, with so many dying and 1/3 of
>>>>> the population having long term ill effects.
>>>>
>>>> And removing any chance of evolution making us tougher against such things.
>>>
>>> What is the value in watching people needlessly suffer and die?
>>
>> To get them out of the gene pool and to stop them wasting our resources.
>
> So volunteer.

I have done so by not wearing a mask or getting vaccinated. If I'm one of the weak, I won't stay.

>>>> You're sounding like you believe in god.
>>>
>>> One need not believe in a god to have morals... in fact such a belief, I
>>> think, can often get in the way (which is not to suggest religious people
>>> cannot be moral -- many are!)
>>
>> Morality is a belief almost as silly as god.
>
> No society can exist without some sense of morality.

Bullshit. You'll have to explain this crazy idea.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:45:19 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:38:54 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07kbe42lmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:50:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:15:49 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gk0nkamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:34:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:17:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvrtgqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:05:16 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:42:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.0684sklomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:48:48 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:30:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.0669kvbpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:48:03 +0100, LegionX
>>>>>>>>>> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HHI <HHI@imaginary.friend.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/21 11:24 PM, LegionX wrote:> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> Wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> in message:> >> One would think... but Gremlin was posting saying there was
>>>>>>>>>>>> an explosion but he had not heard from himself.<>Gremlin didn't post
>>>>>>>>>>>> anything. We did. We again invite you to> support your socking accusation
>>>>>>>>>>>> snit. We supported ours when we> called you out for socking up as Sigmond.>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gremlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no matter what name he
>>>>>>>>>>>> posts under.<>On Gremlins *worst days* he can still mop the floor with you
>>>>>>>>>>>> on> *any tech subject* with fuckin ease. Any of us can.> >Gremlin only
>>>>>>>>>>>> posts under one handle
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Shit. I forgot to mention Diesel.<> Snit. Diesel isn't a sock of Gremlins.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's an old handle he used
>>>>>>>>>>> for the purposes of making things more difficult for the remailer
>>>>>>>>>>> who revealed they had newbie level usenet search
>>>>>>>>>>> skills.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Would you like to try again girlyman?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You know what we mean you sock using asshole.<> We aren't mind readers. And
>>>>>>>>>>>> even if one of us was - snits is far
>>>>>>>>>>> too over self medicated on benzos and booze for us to read
>>>>>>>>>>> his.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nobody fucking cares.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gremlin has forgotten how to wrap. Odd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean learned how to not wrap.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or wrap properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a stupid thing to do, as you have no idea how wide the recipient's
>>>>>> monitor is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrapping properly or not at all is better than what Gremlin is managing these
>>>>> days.
>>>>
>>>> Any wrapping annoys me. This post from you for example leaves the right half
>>>> of my monitor plain white. I think it originally came from retards that have
>>>> trouble following their eyes along longer lines.
>>>
>>> Either way avoids the hot mess coming from Gremlin, above.
>>
>> Almost everyone who wraps makes a mess after about 5 indentations. I've yet to
>> see a newsreader which wraps sensibly - that's never to wrap a single word (or
>> more importantly a URL), or any line which has been quoted, unless it cleverly
>> rewraps the whole paragraph by pushing one word all the way down several
>> lines.
>
> Entourage actually handed that well. Other than that it was mostly garbage.

Well you returned it in the same mess I sent it.

>> This shit is what I see regularly from many people:
>>
>>>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>> blah
>>>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>> blah
>>>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
>> blah
>>>>>>> Reply reply reply reply reply reply reply reply reply
>>>>>> More text
>>>>> and so on
>>>> argument
>>> continues
>> etc.
>>
>> Notice some blah is now attributed to the person who wrote etc.
>>
>> I also see:
>> http://www.whatever.com/address/continues/and_then_falls_off_the
>> end.html
>

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 22:12:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:47 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:12:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gkuzu0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:41 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvfsjgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:57:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:37:55 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.0684lhcymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 21:12:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 26/07/2021 15.45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> often is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an
>>>>>>>>>>> advantage. As
>>>>>>>>>>> you note, though, there are tradeoffs.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If it's coming through the same hole, convection does nothing at all
>>>>>>>>>> when the fan is running.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not fully correct :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The heat inside a chip goes to its surface by convection, and travels
>>>>>>>>> the heatsink via convection, where it passes to the air flow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, conduction not convection in a solid. Convection would need the metal to
>>>>>>>> move.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Get it hot enough and it will!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't believe that would be within the design specs of the silicon.
>>>>>
>>>>> One way to find out.
>>>>
>>>> Been done already: https://youtu.be/Xf0VuRG7MN4
>>>> Quite amazing watching the thermal throttle work. About time they put them in
>>>> cars.
>>>
>>> Would be curious to see how an M1 handles that.
>>
>> In the UK, that sounds like a motorway leading to London.
>>
>> The Audi A4 is also stupidly named, since it's a sheet of paper.
>
> The whole range is badly named. The smallest model is the A1 and the
> largest saloon is the A8. Clearly that's the wrong way around.

Yes I've noticed that too.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 22:12:56 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>
>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>
>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>
> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s

When everyone dies from the same thing it's not pathetic. When only some die, they're pathetic.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 23:49:24 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 3, 2021 at 2:12:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <secbgo$r89$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>
>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>
>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>
>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>
> How big is an idea? :)

The size of a lightbulb:
https://youtu.be/BLRDCUWEdPc
I can't believe he did that.

On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:08:11 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:55:07 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:08:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gko9u2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:23:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:11:09 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvgvncmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I really don't give a *fuck*what you do, as you're only a lone cockroach
>>>>>>>>>>>> in my book.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rene
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why be so cruel to cockroaches?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I kill all insects. They didn't ask to enter my property.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was their ancestors property you stole.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They don't have title deeds.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are very, very tiny.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I must have stood on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You encRoached on their territory.
>>>>
>>>> FFS....
>>>
>>> Did it bug you?
>>
>> Regrettably you are too far away to punch.
>>
>
> Punch has too much sugar for my tastes anyway.

sugar is raw food, nothing can have too much of it.

On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:08:12 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:32:10 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 01/08/2021 23:05, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 2:47:52 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se74q8$aok$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es..invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail..com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again) right now.
>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and you think
>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is when it
>>>>>> reaches him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>>>>> slower. Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> To a small degree. The main point is that your mask only protects one
>>>>> person receiving the virus (you) whereas it stops you spreading it to
>>>>> pretty much anyone you're in close contact with. It's a very uneven
>>>>> equation in favour of protecting others.
>>>>
>>>> And even with you it protects the mouth and the nose but not the eyes. And
>>>> with the mouth and the nose air still comes in from poor fitting (common).
>>>> Even with a poor fit your droplets tend to not go NEARLY as far. This is why
>>>> it is best to have a mask AND social distance.
>>>
>>> Yup. It all adds up.
>>
>> To a bunch of worry warts. Do you fit five seatbelts to your car?
>
> Hence why libertarianism can’t work.

You said hence but with no reason as to why you've linked the two.

On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:08:13 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:55:36 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:08:47 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gkoxhymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:23:14 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvilr7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:59:32 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:35:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.0684gzj1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At least for now that is correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. I am an atheist... even in computers I say use what is best for you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your logic has failed then, because Apple is never the best choice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it is not for you then don't get one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not for anyone. It's incompatible with most people. It costs more for the
>>>>>>>> same specs. You have a smaller base of programs and people to help you with
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You say you do not like Macs but went out of your way to make a Hackintosh. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't out of my way, I was building a normal desktop PC, just out of
>>>>>> particular parts.
>>>>>
>>>>> And just happened to make one that would work as a Hackintosh, and then got
>>>>> macOS and installed it. Hmmmm....
>>>>
>>>> I was told to. I was telling you it wasn't difficult.
>>>
>>> But you still went out of your way to do so... it was not an accident.
>>
>> What? I did nothing out of my way, it was no more difficult than
>> building any other computer.
>
> You had more specific needs and had to do more specific research.

No, I always chose the best MB, CPU, GPU, etc for the computer, depending on what the user wanted. In this case it was quite easy, I looked up a small list of Mac OS compatible boards and picked the one with the best performance and connections. Normally I'm choosing from the entire list, as Windows isn't fussy and will run on anything, but Mac OS is a piece of shit and has limited hardware compatibility.

>> Half of the computers I built were to specs provided by the customers.
>> I'd have a few standard ones I recommended, and people would say they
>> particularly wanted a certain MB, GPU, etc.
>>
>>> But you only managed to get one version of macOS running on it.
>>
>> I installed the latest, I saw no point in trying an older out of date
>> one, and I could hardly try one that wasn't out yet.
>
> My point stands. No evidence of other versions worked, just speculation
> they would.

It's obvious. What I built was basically just a Mac.