"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:

>Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It should come in one side and out the other.<

Did you create this thread because Snit was getting a lot more
attention than you? Be patient Peter and you will get your turn.
You're on the regret list too. But you didn't qualify for 1st
place - Snit did. Allow him the time to have a good and
satisfactory moment of pride that isn't tied to sexual confusion
for coming in a respectable position for once in his adult life.

All he has known to this previously are participation awards and
one of his poor offspring(this is one of those cases where you
already know the kiddo is screwed at life - there parents sealed
their fate) had to explain those. Can we say ackward parental
bonding moment? Yes yes we can. Snit probably causes more than a
few on a yearly basis.

Do you think any of Snits children have friends over? We don't
either. Having to explain why your "dad" talks sounds and acts
like a girl we imagine would be a difficult thing to do. Having
to explain that and the pocket teddy bear snit keeps close for
mental comfort would stress any kid not wanting to become a
laughing stock of the school. Kids can be so cruel. So that got
us to thinking. How many billboards in Snits local could we rent
to display our custom Snit vertising. How would his kids react to
a picture of dad and his teddy bear with a caption suggesting
they are with the pride movement and Snit is actively
listening?

Maybe we should rent a couple with that and a few more with a
modified Snit pic on one side and the twenty ways he lies beside
his pic. With an invite to call write or stop in for coffee and a
discussion?

You're somewhat creative in between bouts of inhaling too much
ammonia from cat urine and your bird collection (Are you the
male version of the American cat lady? That's the mental image we
all have of you). Is your house the litterbox?

What do you think of our Snitvertising ideas? We know you're a
creative fuck when it comes mostly harmless meant in fun payback.
As a gesture of goodwill - we will pay for a months supply of
good flea meds for your cats and warm to hot bath for you. We
understand you're the kind of person who doesn't firmly grasp the
concept of personal hygiene - going by what someone who
met/smelled you from a distance in person wrote about the
experience.

Act fast and we might even throw in a bar of quality British or
American soap for you to bathe your nasty ass with.

Oops sorry - you didn't come in at 2nd place either. That's a good
thing though right? We all know 2nd place really means first
loser position - where you and Snit have tied since you were both
born.

Don't forget to ask Snit what drugs he was drinking with when he
thought that one of his eyeballs had left its eye socket and his
head to go rolling around on the floor.

Was he really looking for crack pebbles on the floor from a
weekend long crack binge? And someone asked him what in the hell
he was doing? So naturally to Snit it makes sense to claim he was
looking for a missing eyeball. Didn't even have the presence of
mind left to say he was looking for car keys.

Maybe you can ask him about the circumstances which led upto him
pissing on his own cat?

Okay okay super easy question you can ask him then... What drugs
was he doing at the time that convinced him that writing about
thinking he lost an eyeball or pissing on his cat were subjects
he should write about or share with anyone! Online? See. Easy
question just like we said. We wait with eager anticipation like
a small child around Christmas time for the honor and great
privilege to read Snits answers to our questions about things
he's written as having experienced.

--
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eyeball. Heavy pharma abuse = a Snit
<https://tinyurl.com/WhatIsSnit>
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On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>
>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>> fan! ;-)
>>
>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>
> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
> that's a very slow laptop?

You are mistaken

On 2021-07-21 9:52 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>> powerful
>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's a
>>> very
>>> slow laptop?
>>
>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>
>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>
>>
>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>> amazingly fast
>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>
> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer.  There's no way
> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
> process that's been going on for decades.

Just like there was "no way" Apple was going to just waltz in to the
smartphone market...

On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
<sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>
>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>> fan! ;-)
>>>
>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>
>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>> that's a very slow laptop?
>
> You are mistaken

While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure most
people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time, now they
seem like they are about to get interesting again.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 22/07/2021 08:05, Snit wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>
>> You are mistaken
>
> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure most
> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time, now they
> seem like they are about to get interesting again.

[OT]

Brad lives in Melbourne. He was sick of the World, of Covid-19, Chinese
belligerence, global warming, species extinction, racial tension and all
the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy the media headlines.

Brad drove his car into his garage at home, carefully sealed up around
the windows and doorways of his garage, selected his favourite radio
station and left his car at a slow idle.

Two days later, his neighbour realising she had seen no sign of Brad for
a while, peered through the garage window to see Brad at the wheel of
his car. Immediately she phoned emergency services. Police, fire &
rescue, and the ambulance arrived promptly.

After pulling Brad from his car and giving him a sip of water, he seemed
as good as gold. Brad drives a Tesla. It now has a flat battery. He
also votes Green.

On Jul 22, 2021 at 12:15:06 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<sdb5tq$d6d$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:

> On 22/07/2021 08:05, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
>> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>
>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>
>>> You are mistaken
>>
>> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure most
>> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time, now they
>> seem like they are about to get interesting again.
>
> [OT]
>
> Brad lives in Melbourne. He was sick of the World, of Covid-19, Chinese
> belligerence, global warming, species extinction, racial tension and all
> the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy the media headlines.
>
> Brad drove his car into his garage at home, carefully sealed up around
> the windows and doorways of his garage, selected his favourite radio
> station and left his car at a slow idle.
>
> Two days later, his neighbour realising she had seen no sign of Brad for
> a while, peered through the garage window to see Brad at the wheel of
> his car. Immediately she phoned emergency services. Police, fire &
> rescue, and the ambulance arrived promptly.
>
> After pulling Brad from his car and giving him a sip of water, he seemed
> as good as gold. Brad drives a Tesla. It now has a flat battery. He
> also votes Green.

After two days all he needed was a sip? :)

Cute.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 22/07/2021 04:30, Paul wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>> On 20/07/2021 17:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>
>> Nope the opposite. It's a very fast CPU. The big difference is that
>> it's based on Arm architecture and bigLITTLE rather than x86_64. The
>> same physics, but better :)
>
> Intel has its own bigLITTLE in the pipe, and as
> we speak,

They need to do something to respond to the onslaught of Arm on its
business.

> Microsoft staff are trying to figure out
> what to do with the Scheduler (that assigns
> time slices).
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alder_Lake_%28microprocessor%29
>
> One of the complains I've seen in the past is,
> "the customers notice that virtually all activity
> is on LITTLE, and they wonder why they paid good
> cash money for big cores, and the big cores sit
> there unused".
>
> I suspect Microsoft has to solve that problem too.

Badly, probably.

On 21/07/2021 18:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>
>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>
>>>
>>> They wasn't so bad i guess  till they got run over by an M1A1.  :-)
>>
>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>> library the world has ever seen.
>
> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU?  No wonder it doesn't need a
> fan.  Not really a computer without graphics.

Are you really that dumb...?

On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>> powerful
>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's a
>>> very
>>> slow laptop?
>>
>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>
>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>
>>
>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>> amazingly fast
>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>
> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer.  There's no way
> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
> process that's been going on for decades.

Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
from low-power mobile device space.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:00:02 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:

> Even with today's crazy limber prices, home center stores sell a
> 4x8 sheet of Masonite for under $12, a 2X4 sheet for under $4 and
> the pieces in the scrap bin are free, especially if you send a
> good-looking wife or girlfriend in!

Think again - this is a Usenet news group! Definite lack of female
partners let alone good-looking ones!

BTW, what is Masonite?

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:05:26 -0700, AJL wrote:

> Final solution[1]: Using this grill free fan free Chromebook which
> does what I need most of the time anyway.[2] Aren't technical
> solutions wonderful...

[1] A phrase best avoided post WW2.

[2] A laptop that can grill burgers too? Truly a multi-purpose
device!

On 2021-07-21 9:23 p.m., Snit wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2021 at 5:12:42 PM MST, "Paul" wrote <sdad5q$fjg$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>
>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>
>> "The included GPU has 8 cores as well,
>> with 128 total compute units and 2.6 teraflops (FP32)
>> of throughput (there is one exception here: the
>> entry level MacBook Air uses a version of the
>> M1 with a 7-core GPU). The "unified memory"
>> replaces the need for separate RAM"
>>
>> Which means the GPU works the same way as Intel Graphics
>> on a laptop does. It uses system memory.
>
> Correct.
>
>> The TerryFlops32 is about the same as HD 5870.
>> The best video card you can buy, might be
>> fifteen times as much TerryFlops32. And the Leet
>> Floppers only count the FP64 ones (because the
>> video card companies charge thousands for the privilege
>> of having large amounts of those). For example, my
>> video card has an "integer ratio" between FP32 units
>> and FP64 units, that makes FP64ing with the thing
>> a waste of time.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with that GPU. It's like
>> lots of other integrated graphics.
>
> Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
> excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
> like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
> the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
> machine.

I didn't use it for long myself but decided to give it a go when I was
at a Best Buy at some point since its release. Unlike the previous
machines I used, which were admittedly G4 and G5 machines in addition to
my parents' underpowered Core i5 Mac Mini, Mac OS was very snappy and a
joy to use. I still wouldn't get the machine since gaming is a priority,
but it was definitely the most remarkable mobile non-gaming machine I've
laid my eyes upon. Apple is definitely doing things right in terms of
hardware if not in terms of free speech.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18
"Science is a differential equation; religion is a boundary condition."

On 2021-07-22 3:15 a.m., David Brooks wrote:
> On 22/07/2021 08:05, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
>> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>
>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>
>>> You are mistaken
>>
>> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure
>> most
>> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time,
>> now they
>> seem like they are about to get interesting again.
>
> [OT]
>
> Brad lives in Melbourne.  He was sick of the World, of Covid-19, Chinese
> belligerence, global warming, species extinction, racial tension and all
> the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy the media headlines.
>
> Brad drove his car into his garage at home, carefully sealed up around
> the windows and doorways of his garage, selected his favourite radio
> station and left his car at a slow idle.
>
> Two days later, his neighbour realising she had seen no sign of Brad for
> a while, peered through the garage window to see Brad at the wheel of
> his car.  Immediately she phoned emergency services. Police, fire &
> rescue, and the ambulance arrived promptly.
>
> After pulling Brad from his car and giving him a sip of water, he seemed
> as good as gold.  Brad drives a Tesla.  It now has a flat battery.  He
> also votes Green.

That's funny but has nothing to do with the topic.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18
"Science is a differential equation; religion is a boundary condition."

On 22/07/2021 13:12, Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-22 3:15 a.m., David Brooks wrote:
>> On 22/07/2021 08:05, Snit wrote:
>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
>>> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>
>>>> You are mistaken
>>>
>>> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure
>>> most
>>> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time,
>>> now they
>>> seem like they are about to get interesting again.
>>
>> [OT]
>>
>> Brad lives in Melbourne.  He was sick of the World, of Covid-19,
>> Chinese belligerence, global warming, species extinction, racial
>> tension and all the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy the
>> media headlines.
>>
>> Brad drove his car into his garage at home, carefully sealed up around
>> the windows and doorways of his garage, selected his favourite radio
>> station and left his car at a slow idle.
>>
>> Two days later, his neighbour realising she had seen no sign of Brad
>> for a while, peered through the garage window to see Brad at the wheel
>> of his car.  Immediately she phoned emergency services. Police, fire &
>> rescue, and the ambulance arrived promptly.
>>
>> After pulling Brad from his car and giving him a sip of water, he
>> seemed as good as gold.  Brad drives a Tesla.  It now has a flat
>> battery.  He also votes Green.
>
> That's funny but has nothing to do with the topic.

You're right - but I did mark it "OT"! ;-)

It's good to smile now and again!

On 2021-07-22 8:14 a.m., David Brooks wrote:
> On 22/07/2021 13:12, Rabid Roach wrote:
>> On 2021-07-22 3:15 a.m., David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 22/07/2021 08:05, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
>>>> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even
>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>
>>>>> You are mistaken
>>>>
>>>> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not
>>>> sure most
>>>> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time,
>>>> now they
>>>> seem like they are about to get interesting again.
>>>
>>> [OT]
>>>
>>> Brad lives in Melbourne.  He was sick of the World, of Covid-19,
>>> Chinese belligerence, global warming, species extinction, racial
>>> tension and all the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy the
>>> media headlines.
>>>
>>> Brad drove his car into his garage at home, carefully sealed up
>>> around the windows and doorways of his garage, selected his favourite
>>> radio station and left his car at a slow idle.
>>>
>>> Two days later, his neighbour realising she had seen no sign of Brad
>>> for a while, peered through the garage window to see Brad at the
>>> wheel of his car.  Immediately she phoned emergency services. Police,
>>> fire & rescue, and the ambulance arrived promptly.
>>>
>>> After pulling Brad from his car and giving him a sip of water, he
>>> seemed as good as gold.  Brad drives a Tesla.  It now has a flat
>>> battery.  He also votes Green.
>>
>> That's funny but has nothing to do with the topic.
>
>
> You're right - but I did mark it "OT"!  ;-)
>
> It's good to smile now and again!

Indeed.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18
"Science is a differential equation; religion is a boundary condition."

On 22/07/2021 13:49, Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-22 8:14 a.m., David Brooks wrote:
[....]
>> You're right - but I did mark it "OT"!  ;-)
>>
>> It's good to smile now and again!
>
> Indeed.

*DID* Mark Allan sell ClamXav as stated?

https://ibb.co/6tJxyYC

Someone may know.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 09:05:26 -0700, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 13:52:35 -0400, "Mayayana"
>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>> lap? It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>
>>> They're too busy trying to remove another 1 mm of thickness. Side
>>> ventilation would make it thicker. It might make sense to put
>>> raised areas on the bottom, but again that adds to thickness.
>>>
>>
>> My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
>
>I generally use my Dell LT with the bottom grill on a cloth surface. I
>can tell when it gets hot when the fan starts. I used to then sit it on
>top of my Android tablet (face down) until it cooled off and the fan
>stopped running. After awhile I said screw it and just let it be hot -
>sink or swim. So far its been swimming but the fan noise is annoying.
>Final solution: Using this grill free fan free Chromebook which does
>what I need most of the time anyway. Aren't technical solutions wonderful...

My Samsung R720 is silent. It's plugged to the AC adapter most of the
time. I should point out that it is rarely used as a mobile because
I'm not mobile.

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:32:25 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:35:05 -0400, "Mayayana"
><mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>
>>"Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote
>>
>>| My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
>>|
>> I didn't know there was any such design. I'm always
>>careful to put them on a hard surface, so our laptop here
>>could even have side vents that I haven't noticed. (HP)
>>
>> Awhile back a friend asked me to fix her Win8.1 laptop.
>>She'd been loading photos when it died and the hard disk
>>had to be dismantled to get the data. I imagined her
>>sitting up in bed, loading pictures of her kids, with the
>>laptop resting on a nice, fluffy blanket and cooking the
>>hard disk. The worst part is that there really isn't any
>>reason for the average person to think that might be a
>>problem. And I suppose in that case even side vents might
>>get covered.
>>
>I remember using cigarette smoke to find out how air moved. So not
>smoking now, I need another way to check air movement !!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>

I stopped smoking! I've got a spray duster somewhere that I've used
check air movement. It's probably more dangerous than smoking.

Steve

--
http://www.npsnn.com

Snit wrote:
> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>
>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>> You are mistaken
>
> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure most
> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time, now they
> seem like they are about to get interesting again.
>

It's definitely not magic.

And it's not an interesting time either.

Now, put on your "hard thinking caps" for a moment.

Do you remember your 1MHz processor, and what it could do ?
I had one at work, which was "memory synchronous", which
means for each CPU clock cycle, you could transfer an item
on the bus, to memory. Memory back then was SRAM. This means,
by some measure, the memory bus is "100% efficient".

OK, now take your 3GHz processor and test it. Can you
transfer 3 billion "items" to memory in a second. No,
you can not.

Memory access speed has not kept pace with CPU progress.

We hide some of the agony with L1/L2/L3 cache, but
it is still not enough. At some point, you need to
access wide patches of DRAM, and you access the DRAM
in random order (7ZIP compressor, dictionary access, many
threads, many dictionaries).

The end result is, a 3GHz processor is not 3000 times faster
than a 1MHz processor. It's some smaller factor. And
a 5GHz processor is not 5000 times faster than a 1MHz
processor.

Processors still talk to DRAM. DRAM still has slow
transaction rates (a transaction typically being
a cache line on the CPU).

"Progress", would be using some of that sweet
sync SRAM that costs $500 *per chip*. Is that
going to happen ? Of course not.

There must be order in the universe.

And punters must be fed small incremental
improvements in things, for fear of
upsetting the notion of a "precious"
ecosystem. We need a 200MHz faster processor,
to cost $1000 more than the other processor.

So really, nothing has changed.

Sure, algorithms which run in-cache, and have
a small footprint, those go like snot. Maybe
you're mining bitcoins 20% faster on your
"obsolete for bitcoin mining" platform. What
an accomplishment... :-/

The whole thing has been self-deception now,
for maybe 12-15 years.

At first, when we went from a 300Mhz Celeron
to 1400MHz Tualatin, there was some reason for
celebration. Did you know that the transfer speed
of your SATA SSD today, is *faster* than the speed
of the *main memory* on the 300MHz Celeron computer ?
That's how awful DRAM main memory was back then.

And things haven't really changed all that much,
relatively speaking.

One of the bestest deceptions ?

It's the clock speed they put on your DRAM.

Say someone tells you:

"I have DDR7-8500MHz DRAM"

Well, sure, a tiny tiny burst interval, transfers
a cache line. Then, the DRAM sits there for more
than 100 clock cycles, doing sweet fuck all, until
the next super-fast and tiny squirt of data. The clock
speed is "irrelevant" because the access time of the
memory is quite long. So sure, your mom bought you
the 8500MHz memory, you wrote on USENET "Envy me!
I have 8500MHz RAM". When in fact, the transaction
rate (megatransfers per second) is only a fraction
of that clock rate. A pathetic fraction.

Do you remember those 50cc scooters that used
to go "yin! yin! yin!". And had a flywheel and
such ? Well, that's the DRAM on your computer.
It's one of those scooters.

So what did you get, with a new processor ?
Well, you've learned to wait more patiently.

Paul

mechanic wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:00:02 -0400, Wade Garrett wrote:
>
>> Even with today's crazy limber prices, home center stores sell a
>> 4x8 sheet of Masonite for under $12, a 2X4 sheet for under $4 and
>> the pieces in the scrap bin are free, especially if you send a
>> good-looking wife or girlfriend in!
>
> Think again - this is a Usenet news group! Definite lack of female
> partners let alone good-looking ones!
>
> BTW, what is Masonite?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonite

or an alternative

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formica_%28plastic%29

https://www.wikihow.com/Cut-Formica

"Can you cut Formica with scissors?

You can cut it with tin snips or special scissors
that are designed to cut laminate. Regular craft scissors
or kitchen shears likely won’t be strong enough."

Formica would be thinner.

Even a printed circuit board blank would
do in a pinch. You could buy some double-sided,
which has half ounce copper on either side. And
they come in various thicknesses. Such as 62.5
(1/16th of an inch).

There's no lack of substrates.

Paul

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:54:45 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:32:25 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:35:05 -0400, "Mayayana"
>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote
>>>
>>> | My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
>>> |
>>> I didn't know there was any such design. I'm always
>>> careful to put them on a hard surface, so our laptop here
>>> could even have side vents that I haven't noticed. (HP)
>>>
>>> Awhile back a friend asked me to fix her Win8.1 laptop.
>>> She'd been loading photos when it died and the hard disk
>>> had to be dismantled to get the data. I imagined her
>>> sitting up in bed, loading pictures of her kids, with the
>>> laptop resting on a nice, fluffy blanket and cooking the
>>> hard disk. The worst part is that there really isn't any
>>> reason for the average person to think that might be a
>>> problem. And I suppose in that case even side vents might
>>> get covered.
>>>
>> I remember using cigarette smoke to find out how air moved. So not
>> smoking now, I need another way to check air movement !!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> I stopped smoking! I've got a spray duster somewhere that I've used
> check air movement. It's probably more dangerous than smoking.

It is since they've banned those "ozone destroying" propellants in favour of highly flammable (!!!) butane gas. I'm wondering if I'm risking a huge explosion when I suck a spider up with my vacuum then spray insecticide down the tube.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:46:50 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:

> On 21/07/2021 17:47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:48:19 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/07/2021 17:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>
>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>
>>> You really do need to keep your finger on the pulse, m8! ;-)
>>>
>>> Read here:- https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/reviews/macbook-air-2020-m1
>>
>> No, you tell me. It's either powerful or cool, not both. If they claim
>> both, it probably thermally throttles if you work it hard for more than
>> several seconds.
>
> I can't tell you. I'm not allowed to use it! 🤣

But your name is on the receipt.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:49:04 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:

> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>
>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>> powerful
>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's a
>>>> very
>>>> slow laptop?
>>>
>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>
>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>> amazingly fast
>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>
>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>> process that's been going on for decades.
>
> Nope!
>
> Apple *HAS* made them - *NEW* M1 chips.
>
> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/

Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:13:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 21, 2021 at 10:03:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06v4b4ghmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>
>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>
>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>
>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU?
>
> It does -- but it is an integrated one.
>
>> No wonder it doesn't need a fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>
> It has graphics... and in real world use it works very well.
>
> https://youtu.be/MtLIE74nl-0

No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint presentation....

On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:38:14 +0100, Prescott Parasite Tracker v1.2 <putthesobsnittowork@gmail.com> wrote:

> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:hm_JI.28790$qk6.8957@fx36.iad:
>
>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:59:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06v35ah9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 20:29:21 +0100, Wade Garrett
>>> <wade@cooler.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/20/21 3:25 PM, LegionX wrote:
>>>>> Wade Garrett <wade@cooler.net> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For years, I've used a piece of quarter inch Masonite cut to
>>>>>> the exact size of my laptop when forced to rest the device on
>>>>>> a soft surface. Works great, weighs next to nothing, just
>>>>>> about free.<> That's a well thought out genius life hack
>>>>>> before the phrase was
>>>>> coined. Kudos to you.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep several of them around the house in locations where I
>>>>>> use my laptop.<> We're going to make a few of these ourselves
>>>>>> now. Thanks again for
>>>>> the seriously good idea!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why is it that the people who want more government control
>>>>>> over your life are the same ones who want you to be
>>>>>> disarmed?<> That's a rhetorical question yea?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Regretfully not!
>>>
>>> The answer is because they're the same thing. The government
>>> can't control people who can defend themselves.
>>>
>>> The question should be, why the fuck would anyone want government
>>> control?
>>
>> I just want a government that has more fair and equal
>> representation.
>
> I just want a government who prosecutes undeserving people taking
> advantage of the system and in effect taking government assistance
> from those who truly deserve and need it.

Easy way to do that, don't have benefits form the government. Benefits should be charity based. All these people voting left wing would surely donate?

> These grifters and welface cheats should be prosecuted to the fullest
> extent of the law and forced to make restition on every penny they
> scammed the government out of.

Make them work naked outdoors.

> And it's going to begin as Biden is spending money the government
> doesn't have. The IRS is already gearing up to begin massive audits
> targeting suspected tax cheats.
>
> Get ready for neighbor to turn on neighbor.
> It's happening already.

That's why you neanderthals still have guns.