On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:17:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06xvfkcdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>
>>> Nope!
>>>
>>> Apple *HAS* made them - *NEW* M1 chips.
>>>
>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>
>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>
> At least for now that is correct.

You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 19:08:19 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/07/2021 17.35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:54:45 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
>> <steve@easynn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:32:25 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:35:05 -0400, "Mayayana"
>>>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> | My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
>>>>> |
>>>>> I didn't know there was any such design. I'm always
>>>>> careful to put them on a hard surface, so our laptop here
>>>>> could even have side vents that I haven't noticed. (HP)
>>>>>
>>>>> Awhile back a friend asked me to fix her Win8.1 laptop.
>>>>> She'd been loading photos when it died and the hard disk
>>>>> had to be dismantled to get the data. I imagined her
>>>>> sitting up in bed, loading pictures of her kids, with the
>>>>> laptop resting on a nice, fluffy blanket and cooking the
>>>>> hard disk. The worst part is that there really isn't any
>>>>> reason for the average person to think that might be a
>>>>> problem. And I suppose in that case even side vents might
>>>>> get covered.
>>>>>
>>>> I remember using cigarette smoke to find out how air moved. So not
>>>> smoking now, I need another way to check air movement !!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> I stopped smoking! I've got a spray duster somewhere that I've used
>>> check air movement. It's probably more dangerous than smoking.
>>
>> It is since they've banned those "ozone destroying" propellants in
>> favour of highly flammable (!!!) butane gas. I'm wondering if I'm
>> risking a huge explosion when I suck a spider up with my vacuum then
>> spray insecticide down the tube.
>
> It is pretty dangerous, depending on the motor. Those I have opened are
> of the type with brushes, thus with a lot of sparks.

Mine has brushes, I replaced them. But it's never ignited the spray.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:15:16 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>
>>> They're not designed to actually sit on your lap... :-/
>>
>> They're called laptops for a reason, that's where the home ones go.
>> Office ones might be on a desk or train table.
>
> Buy one that suits your needs, then. Don't bitch about having bought
> something that doesn't work for you.

If it's called "laptop" it should work on a lap.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:18:06 +0100, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

>On 24/07/2021 15:55, A N Other wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 15:23, David Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Then why could you not raise a new topic e-s.support if you believe
>> there is some kind of issue?
>
>There is no "e-s.support" newsgroup available on my blocknews.net
>newsserver.

That's a silly answer. You know exactly where to find e-s.support, and you
know that access is free. You make it sound like you're limited to a single
newsserver, which of course is not true.

>Ray Banana can manipulate posts on his own, dedicated, server.

Relevance? I didn't think so. Just another random statement.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:55:28 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:27:57 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06zusv0dmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's
>>>>>>>> a very
>>>>>>>> slow laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
>>>>> processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
>>>>> successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
>>>>> from low-power mobile device space.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose you already know that Intel was in the ARM market
>>>> and got out. This is from 2006, to give you some idea
>>>> how long ago that was, that they dabbled in the stuff.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2006/06/27/intel_sells_xscale/
>>>>
>>>> It's not a question of capability. Intel has lots of
>>>> employees, it also regularly does M&A.
>>>>
>>>> But what is their strategy ?
>>>>
>>>> Have the legacy handcuffs been taken off ?
>>>>
>>>> Is that (partially) what Windows 11 is ?
>>>> A kind of signal ?
>>>>
>>>> There are many possible outcomes, but I've no idea
>>>> what ones make sense.
>>>
>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>> so why would they bother?
>>>
>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>
>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>
> Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
> services you think are important.

I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:56:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:27:02 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06zurchhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 10:44:50 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/07/2021 18:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>
>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>
>>> Are you really that dumb...?
>>
>> I haven't been dumb above.
>>
>> By the way dumb means unable to speak.
>
> My dumbbell does not ring.

Ever dropped one on another one?

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:57:13 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:20:58 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06zug8thmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 05:23:50 +0100, LegionX
>> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It
>>>> should come in one side and out the other.<> Did you create this thread
>>>> because Snit was getting a lot more
>>> attention than you? Be patient Peter and you will get your turn.
>>> You're on the regret list too. But you didn't qualify for 1st
>>> place - Snit did. Allow him the time to have a good and
>>> satisfactory moment of pride that isn't tied to sexual confusion
>>> for coming in a respectable position for once in his adult life.
>>>
>>> All he has known to this previously are participation awards and
>>> one of his poor offspring(this is one of those cases where you
>>> already know the kiddo is screwed at life - there parents sealed
>>> their fate) had to explain those. Can we say ackward parental
>>> bonding moment? Yes yes we can. Snit probably causes more than a
>>> few on a yearly basis.
>>>
>>> Do you think any of Snits children have friends over? We don't
>>> either. Having to explain why your "dad" talks sounds and acts
>>> like a girl we imagine would be a difficult thing to do. Having
>>> to explain that and the pocket teddy bear snit keeps close for
>>> mental comfort would stress any kid not wanting to become a
>>> laughing stock of the school. Kids can be so cruel. So that got
>>> us to thinking. How many billboards in Snits local could we rent
>>> to display our custom Snit vertising. How would his kids react to
>>> a picture of dad and his teddy bear with a caption suggesting
>>> they are with the pride movement and Snit is actively
>>> listening?
>>>
>>> Maybe we should rent a couple with that and a few more with a
>>> modified Snit pic on one side and the twenty ways he lies beside
>>> his pic. With an invite to call write or stop in for coffee and a
>>> discussion?
>>>
>>> You're somewhat creative in between bouts of inhaling too much
>>> ammonia from cat urine and your bird collection (Are you the
>>> male version of the American cat lady? That's the mental image we
>>> all have of you). Is your house the litterbox?
>>>
>>> What do you think of our Snitvertising ideas? We know you're a
>>> creative fuck when it comes mostly harmless meant in fun payback.
>>> As a gesture of goodwill - we will pay for a months supply of
>>> good flea meds for your cats and warm to hot bath for you. We
>>> understand you're the kind of person who doesn't firmly grasp the
>>> concept of personal hygiene - going by what someone who
>>> met/smelled you from a distance in person wrote about the
>>> experience.
>>>
>>> Act fast and we might even throw in a bar of quality British or
>>> American soap for you to bathe your nasty ass with.
>>>
>>> Oops sorry - you didn't come in at 2nd place either. That's a good
>>> thing though right? We all know 2nd place really means first
>>> loser position - where you and Snit have tied since you were both
>>> born.
>>>
>>> Don't forget to ask Snit what drugs he was drinking with when he
>>> thought that one of his eyeballs had left its eye socket and his
>>> head to go rolling around on the floor.
>>>
>>> Was he really looking for crack pebbles on the floor from a
>>> weekend long crack binge? And someone asked him what in the hell
>>> he was doing? So naturally to Snit it makes sense to claim he was
>>> looking for a missing eyeball. Didn't even have the presence of
>>> mind left to say he was looking for car keys.
>>>
>>> Maybe you can ask him about the circumstances which led upto him
>>> pissing on his own cat?
>>>
>>> Okay okay super easy question you can ask him then... What drugs
>>> was he doing at the time that convinced him that writing about
>>> thinking he lost an eyeball or pissing on his cat were subjects
>>> he should write about or share with anyone! Online? See. Easy
>>> question just like we said. We wait with eager anticipation like
>>> a small child around Christmas time for the honor and great
>>> privilege to read Snits answers to our questions about things
>>> he's written as having experienced.
>>
>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>
> Just looked at read posts. Good grief Gremlin is desperate for attention. Has
> he ever lost it as badly as this?

I only had to look at his photo to know he was weird.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 15:23:13 +0100, David Brooks
<DavidB@no.mail.invalid> wrote:

><CUT_OT_TRASH>

>I am most interested in where the message BEGAN its journey.

Why? Is it Win10 related? Or are you STALKING again?

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 1:17:44 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<sdgib9$p37$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:

> On 24/07/2021 08:57, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:43:13 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <sdggah$fd1$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>> On 23/07/2021 23:59, Chris wrote:
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>
>>> Agreed! :-D
>>
>> Right. I buy Macs when they serve me best for the least money. When other
>> systems do I buy those.
>
> What hardware have you ever found which is BETTER than an Apple product?

Depends on the needs. When I worked for schools we got a lot of donated
hardware. Free was better than paid for, so it was "better". I installed Linux
and used it for things like the bell system at one school (the company putting
in the PA system wanted 2000+ dollars for a box to do that!) and, at multiple
schools I had labs of Linux systems. They were limited, but they also
introduced students to Linux, and many had older systems at home they wanted
to put Linux on, so I provided CDs with Ubuntu Linux on them (and, later Mint
Linux).

Other times Windows has been better for a needed task -- so that is the
"better" choice. My kids both have Chromebooks because they were cheaper and
"good enough", though the more I work with them the less impressed I am (the
version of Chrome on ChromeBooks does not work as well as the versions on Mac
or Windows!)

For my own desktop use, though, I use macOS almost exclusively.

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:26:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061peck3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:07:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:51:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06xvnmfgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 00:06:11 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:47:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.06v3ks1emvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:48:19 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 17:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really do need to keep your finger on the pulse, m8! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read here:- https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/reviews/macbook-air-2020-m1
>>>>>
>>>>> No, you tell me. It's either powerful or cool, not both. If they claim both,
>>>>> it probably thermally throttles if you work it hard for more than several
>>>>> seconds.
>>>>
>>>> It rarely gets throttled in general use... but it can be if you work it hard
>>>> for a few minutes (say a video render).
>>>
>>> That's enough for me to stop reading and never buy one. Like buying a 150mph
>>> car that can only do so for short bursts, it's a damn lie.
>>
>> They are very clear it has no fan. There is no lie. But if you don't want one
>> don't get one.
>
> Might not technically be a lie, but it's still misrepresentation. Look at this
> powerful OR quiet machine....

To a large extent that is the choice you make. Another comparison I recently
watched:

https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k

The Air gets amazing reviews. And notice being "quiet" is one of the reasons
listed (as is price, power, video rendering, instant wake on open, no power
throttling on battery, excellent keyboard, excellent build, excellent monitor,
etc.) Only thing noted it is not good for: gaming (which is no surprise).

For the fan comments: https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k?t=522

You might not notice the fan noise... until you use a system which has no such
noise. I know for me I am bothered by fan noises. I appreciate the low sound
of Apple products.

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:26:57 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061pe7jzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:08:49 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:50:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06xvmfwmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:19:30 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:51:58 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.06v3swrbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:49:37 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.06t8fqy1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:32:09 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 8:42:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.06t5w4hhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It
>>>>>>>>> should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Convection cooling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's forced by the fan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They make use of the convection cooling as well. This means the fan can be
>>>>>> smaller and less noisy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at minimum speed.
>>>>
>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of convection cooling.
>>>
>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving faster than
>>> convection.
>>
>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the fan is not
>> running all the time.
>
> Slow fans are not audible by humans.

When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible often is.

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:30:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061pldgwmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:16:43 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06xvgchrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:13:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 10:03:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.06v4b4ghmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU?
>>>>
>>>> It does -- but it is an integrated one.
>>>>
>>>>> No wonder it doesn't need a fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>>
>>>> It has graphics... and in real world use it works very well.
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/MtLIE74nl-0
>>>
>>> No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint
>>> presentation....
>>
>> Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the Macbook
>> Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and while
>> it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely does have
>> a GPU.
>
> Surely one could be made that has a fan, but is only used if you start gaming
> on it? Just because a powerful chip is in there, doesn't mean it has to be
> used all the time. Being able to connect the screen to either the onboard or
> the GPU would be a good idea.

You could make a machine with multiple CPUs and GPUs and more... but it would
be bigger and more expensive.

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061pm5avmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>
> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it at
> school.

It was a fun game... and you can STILL play it:

https://www.retrogames.cz/play_493-DOS.php?language=EN

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:34:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061prusimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:08:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 23, 2021 at 2:06:39 AM MST, ""Carlos E. R."" wrote
>> <vddqshxjc5.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>:
>>
>>> On 22/07/2021 19.16, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.06xvgchrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:13:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 10:03:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.06v4b4ghmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does -- but it is an integrated one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No wonder it doesn't need a fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has graphics... and in real world use it works very well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/MtLIE74nl-0
>>>>>
>>>>> No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint
>>>>> presentation....
>>>>
>>>> Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the Macbook
>>>> Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and while
>>>> it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely does have
>>>> a GPU.
>>>
>>> I intentionally buy all my laptops with that kind of graphics. I prefer
>>> long battery life over graphic power.
>>
>> I think that is true for most. There are exceptions, such as gamers and those
>> who do a lot of video editing, but for the general user the extra video
>> capabilities do not matter.
>
> Actually they can be used for non-graphics stuff, like the science I used to
> do, or even for calculating chess positions.

They can be... but might the neural engines of the M1 be able to do much the
same? Not sure.

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:35:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061psne1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:17:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06xvfkcdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Nope!
>>>>
>>>> Apple *HAS* made them - *NEW* M1 chips.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>>
>>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>>
>> At least for now that is correct.
>
> You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.

Nope. I am an atheist... even in computers I say use what is best for you.

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061pukzwmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:15:16 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>
>>>> They're not designed to actually sit on your lap... :-/
>>>
>>> They're called laptops for a reason, that's where the home ones go.
>>> Office ones might be on a desk or train table.
>>
>> Buy one that suits your needs, then. Don't bitch about having bought
>> something that doesn't work for you.
>
> If it's called "laptop" it should work on a lap.

Many call them notebooks.

But if you want one you can use on your lap, get one that has no fan and is as
cool as the M1. :)

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061pvodtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>
>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>
>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>
>> Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
>> services you think are important.
>
> I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.

You don't use the fire department until you need it.

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:37:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061pv9j3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>>
>>>> Are you really that dumb...?
>>>
>>> I haven't been dumb above.
>>>
>>> By the way dumb means unable to speak.
>>
>> My dumbbell does not ring.
>
> Ever dropped one on another one?

No, but I would be happy to watch a video of someone dropping Carroll on
Gremlin. :)

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:37:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.061pw7xrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>> Okay okay super easy question you can ask him then... What drugs
>>>> was he doing at the time that convinced him that writing about
>>>> thinking he lost an eyeball or pissing on his cat were subjects
>>>> he should write about or share with anyone! Online? See. Easy
>>>> question just like we said. We wait with eager anticipation like
>>>> a small child around Christmas time for the honor and great
>>>> privilege to read Snits answers to our questions about things
>>>> he's written as having experienced.
>>>
>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>
>> Just looked at read posts. Good grief Gremlin is desperate for attention. Has
>> he ever lost it as badly as this?
>
> I only had to look at his photo to know he was weird.

Try reading one of his manifestos.

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On 24/07/2021 19:32, Snit wrote:
> On Jul 24, 2021 at 1:17:44 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <sdgib9$p37$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> On 24/07/2021 08:57, Snit wrote:
>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:43:13 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <sdggah$fd1$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>>
>>>> On 23/07/2021 23:59, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed! :-D
>>>
>>> Right. I buy Macs when they serve me best for the least money. When other
>>> systems do I buy those.
>>
>> What hardware have you ever found which is BETTER than an Apple product?
>
> Depends on the needs. When I worked for schools we got a lot of donated
> hardware. Free was better than paid for, so it was "better". I installed Linux
> and used it for things like the bell system at one school (the company putting
> in the PA system wanted 2000+ dollars for a box to do that!) and, at multiple
> schools I had labs of Linux systems. They were limited, but they also
> introduced students to Linux, and many had older systems at home they wanted
> to put Linux on, so I provided CDs with Ubuntu Linux on them (and, later Mint
> Linux).
>
> Other times Windows has been better for a needed task -- so that is the
> "better" choice. My kids both have Chromebooks because they were cheaper and
> "good enough", though the more I work with them the less impressed I am (the
> version of Chrome on ChromeBooks does not work as well as the versions on Mac
> or Windows!)
>
> For my own desktop use, though, I use macOS almost exclusively.

OK. Thanks. :-D

On 24/07/2021 18:36, Kelly Phillips wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:18:06 +0100, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/07/2021 15:55, A N Other wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2021 15:23, David Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> Then why could you not raise a new topic e-s.support if you believe
>>> there is some kind of issue?
>>
>> There is no "e-s.support" newsgroup available on my blocknews.net
>> newsserver.
>
> That's a silly answer. You know exactly where to find e-s.support, and you
> know that access is free. You make it sound like you're limited to a single
> newsserver, which of course is not true.
>
>> Ray Banana can manipulate posts on his own, dedicated, server.
>
> Relevance? I didn't think so. Just another random statement.

He didn't honour his word.

=

On 24/07/2021 11:48, Ray Banana wrote:
> On 10189 September 1993, David Brooks wrote
>
>> Please will you answer the post I made here?
>> Message-ID: <sdgi36$p37$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>
>> Thanks if you will.
>
> I will, if you answer two simple questions for me:

Thank you!

> Why would I answer a question directed at another person in a group I
> don't read?

Why? Because I asked, politely, if you would, please, do so.

> Why do you hijack an unrelated thread to post your question?

I've been taught that one should not hold sensible conversations in a
*test* newsgroup!

So, to my mind, it matters not one jot WHERE I ask you the question.
(Said light-heartedly!)

> And a free clue for you:
>
> For me, the Path: header of the article in question starts with
> raybanana.net!![...] whereas the Path: header of the article I am
> replying to reads:
>
> Path:
raybanana.net!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!hunterbd.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
>
> (Please note the double exclamation mark following the first host name).
>
> Please keep in mind that Path: entries are read from right to left,
where the
> leftmost entry is the Path token of the server from which the article
> was retrieved. Please also note that a FQDN registered by a user of E-S
> is used for constructing M-IDs AND Path entries(virtual host).

Thank you for that guidance. It /does/ help.

This is the path I was questioning:-

Path:
hunterbd.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.dns-netz.com!news.freedyn.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx33.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail

I am most interested in where the message BEGAN its journey. I have a
personal subscripion to BlockNews and IIRC my posts from there start in
a similar (same?) manner.

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On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:09:27 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<sdhoh7$et1$1@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:

> On 24/07/2021 19:32, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 1:17:44 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <sdgib9$p37$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>
>>> On 24/07/2021 08:57, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:43:13 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <sdggah$fd1$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/07/2021 23:59, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed! :-D
>>>>
>>>> Right. I buy Macs when they serve me best for the least money. When other
>>>> systems do I buy those.
>>>
>>> What hardware have you ever found which is BETTER than an Apple product?
>>
>> Depends on the needs. When I worked for schools we got a lot of donated
>> hardware. Free was better than paid for, so it was "better". I installed Linux
>> and used it for things like the bell system at one school (the company putting
>> in the PA system wanted 2000+ dollars for a box to do that!) and, at multiple
>> schools I had labs of Linux systems. They were limited, but they also
>> introduced students to Linux, and many had older systems at home they wanted
>> to put Linux on, so I provided CDs with Ubuntu Linux on them (and, later Mint
>> Linux).
>>
>> Other times Windows has been better for a needed task -- so that is the
>> "better" choice. My kids both have Chromebooks because they were cheaper and
>> "good enough", though the more I work with them the less impressed I am (the
>> version of Chrome on ChromeBooks does not work as well as the versions on Mac
>> or Windows!)
>>
>> For my own desktop use, though, I use macOS almost exclusively.
>
> OK. Thanks. :-D

It was a sorta long answer, but the challenge is I do not think in terms of
what is "better" overall but what is better for any given task or situation.

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On 2021-07-24, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> On 24/07/2021 15:55, A N Other wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 15:23, David Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Then why could you not raise a new topic e-s.support if you believe
>> there is some kind of issue?
>
> There is no "e-s.support" newsgroup available on my blocknews.net
> newsserver.
>
> Ray Banana can manipulate posts on his own, dedicated, server.

Or maybe you're not seeing what you think you are. Here's what I see:

Regarding the "Path" of the post you replied to with...

"Question for you! Why does your header info start with this line?"

.... and this being the post you replied to:

<4nIKI.24279$Nq7.7272@fx33.iad>

The "Path" for that post is:

Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx33.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail

It's sorta similar to (view 0:46 to 1:05)
<https://youtu.be/8R8ptQS_3ew?t=46>

And you *know* what Shadow would say ;)

On 2021-07-24, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid> wrote:
> On 24/07/2021 16:53, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 09:13:25, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid>
>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>> On 24/07/2021 00:35, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-23 6:59 p.m., Chris wrote:
>>> [....]
>>>> Yeah, it would take someone who _really_ hates Apple to say bad
>>>> things  about the M1 and the products which use it. No matter how you
>>>> slice it,  they came out with what will long be regarded as one of
>>>> the greatest  innovations in mobile computing. People might forget
>>>> whatever machine  you're in front of at the moment, but they're not
>>>> likely to forget how  much of an impact the M1 made.
>>>
>>> Question for you!  Why does your header info start with this line?
>>>
>>> =
>>>
>>> Path:
>>> hunterbd.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-s
>>> eptember.org!news.dns-netz.com!news.freedyn.net!newsreader4.netcologne.d
>>> e!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer
>>> 03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx33.iad.POS
>>> TED!not-for-mail
>>
>> Are you talking about "=", or is that just something you've put in as a
>> separator?
>
> I put it there myself as a separator!
>
>> If you're talking about the "Path: " line, that isn't how it left Chris:
>> it's how that header line of his post looked when it got to you.
>
> It was from the header of Rabid Roach!

Not as coming from the post of his you replied to.

<https://i.ibb.co/8MR0xW7/path-follies.png>

On 2021-07-24 1:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:31:07 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>
>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>
>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>>> You?
>>>
>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I recall. I
>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the city has
>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>
>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>
> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
> stealing it from a legal owner).

It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
become with their reaction to the Kung Flu, I am not sure that as an
American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
around than it already is.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18