On 2021-07-24 1:29 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:47:45 +0100, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-23, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>>>> You?
>>>>
>>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
>>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
>>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I recall. I
>>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the city
>>>> has
>>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>>
>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>
>> Gun control will never work.
>
> It works in the UK.

That's right: there are no stabbings, people getting run over by vans
driven by those devout to the "religion of peace" or explosions in the
UK anymore. It's been at least a few days.

When was gun control implemented again?

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18

On 2021-07-24 1:35 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:17:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06xvfkcdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match
>>>>>> benchmarks, and
>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer.  There's no way
>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Nope!
>>>>
>>>> Apple *HAS* made them - *NEW* M1 chips.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>>
>>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>>
>> At least for now that is correct.
>
> You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.

He bows to Tim Cook because he's a homosexual and that automatically
makes him better than the rest of us according to the media. If he were
black too, he'd be a god on Earth.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18

Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.061pvodtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>>
>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>
>>> Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
>>> services you think are important.
>>
>> I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.
>
> You don't use the fire department until you need it.

And there's a fire department when you need it only because others pay for
it.

Paying only for things you need never works when it really matters.

On Jul 24, 2021 at 7:22:05 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <sdihsd$481$1@dont-email.me>:

> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.061pvodtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>>>
>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>
>>>> Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
>>>> services you think are important.
>>>
>>> I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.
>>
>> You don't use the fire department until you need it.
>
> And there's a fire department when you need it only because others pay for
> it.
>
> Paying only for things you need never works when it really matters.

Right... on the scale of a society that is my point.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 24, 2021 at 7:21:31 PM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
<LU3LI.18245$Ei1.6566@fx07.iad>:

> On 2021-07-24 1:35 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:17:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.06xvfkcdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match
>>>>>>> benchmarks, and
>>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope!
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple *HAS* made them - *NEW* M1 chips.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>>>
>>>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>>>
>>> At least for now that is correct.
>>
>> You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.
>
> He bows to Tim Cook because he's a homosexual and that automatically
> makes him better than the rest of us according to the media. If he were
> black too, he'd be a god on Earth.

Your insanity is showing again.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 24/07/2021 22:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On 2021-07-24, David Brooks <David@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 15:55, A N Other wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2021 15:23, David Brooks wrote:
>>>
>>> Then why could you not raise a new topic e-s.support if you believe
>>> there is some kind of issue?
>>
>> There is no "e-s.support" newsgroup available on my blocknews.net
>> newsserver.
>>
>> Ray Banana can manipulate posts on his own, dedicated, server.
>
> Or maybe you're not seeing what you think you are. Here's what I see:
>
> Regarding the "Path" of the post you replied to with...
>
> "Question for you! Why does your header info start with this line?"
>
> ... and this being the post you replied to:
>
> <4nIKI.24279$Nq7.7272@fx33.iad>
>
> The "Path" for that post is:
>
> Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!newsreader4.netcologne.de!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx33.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail

It is. He uses BlockNews, as do I sometimes.

> It's sorta similar to (view 0:46 to 1:05)
> <https://youtu.be/8R8ptQS_3ew?t=46>

I don't find the comparison at all amusing.

> And you *know* what Shadow would say ;)

Shadow *LIES*!

On 24/07/2021 22:41, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On 2021-07-24, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid> wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 16:53, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 09:13:25, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid>
>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>> On 24/07/2021 00:35, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-23 6:59 p.m., Chris wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>> Yeah, it would take someone who _really_ hates Apple to say bad
>>>>> things  about the M1 and the products which use it. No matter how you
>>>>> slice it,  they came out with what will long be regarded as one of
>>>>> the greatest  innovations in mobile computing. People might forget
>>>>> whatever machine  you're in front of at the moment, but they're not
>>>>> likely to forget how  much of an impact the M1 made.
>>>>
>>>> Question for you!  Why does your header info start with this line?
>>>>
>>>> =
>>>>
>>>> Path:
>>>> hunterbd.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-s
>>>> eptember.org!news.dns-netz.com!news.freedyn.net!newsreader4.netcologne.d
>>>> e!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer
>>>> 03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx33.iad.POS
>>>> TED!not-for-mail
>>>
>>> Are you talking about "=", or is that just something you've put in as a
>>> separator?
>>
>> I put it there myself as a separator!
>>
>>> If you're talking about the "Path: " line, that isn't how it left Chris:
>>> it's how that header line of his post looked when it got to you.
>>
>> It was from the header of Rabid Roach!
>
> Not as coming from the post of his you replied to.
>
> <https://i.ibb.co/8MR0xW7/path-follies.png>

I don't recognise what you think may be wrong. :-(

On 24/07/2021 19.35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 19:08:19 +0100, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 22/07/2021 17.35, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 14:54:45 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
>>> <steve@easynn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:32:25 -0600, KenW <ken1943@invalid.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:35:05 -0400, "Mayayana"
>>>>> <mayayana@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> | My Samsung gets air from a side grill. I only gets a bit warm.
>>>>>> |
>>>>>>   I didn't know there was any such design. I'm always
>>>>>> careful to put them on a hard surface, so our laptop here
>>>>>> could even have side vents that I haven't noticed. (HP)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Awhile back a friend asked me to fix her Win8.1 laptop.
>>>>>> She'd been loading photos when it died and the hard disk
>>>>>> had to be dismantled to get the data. I imagined her
>>>>>> sitting up in bed, loading pictures of her kids, with the
>>>>>> laptop resting on a nice, fluffy blanket and cooking the
>>>>>> hard disk. The worst part is that there really isn't any
>>>>>> reason for the average person to think that might be a
>>>>>> problem. And I suppose in that case even side vents might
>>>>>> get covered.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I remember using cigarette smoke to find out how air moved. So not
>>>>> smoking now, I need another way to check air movement !!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> I stopped smoking! I've got a spray duster somewhere that I've used
>>>> check air movement. It's probably more dangerous than smoking.
>>>
>>> It is since they've banned those "ozone destroying" propellants in
>>> favour of highly flammable (!!!) butane gas.  I'm wondering if I'm
>>> risking a huge explosion when I suck a spider up with my vacuum then
>>> spray insecticide down the tube.
>>
>> It is pretty dangerous, depending on the motor. Those I have opened are
>> of the type with brushes, thus with a lot of sparks.
>
> Mine has brushes, I replaced them.  But it's never ignited the spray.

Maybe it gets too diluted in the air flow.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 24/07/2021 19.31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:27:05 +0100, Carlos E. R.
> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 23/07/2021 13.13, Mayayana wrote:
>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

....

>>>   It's the difference between a car and a sports car. One
>>> is for transportation. The other is for fun or sport. You
>>> could drive the sports car for transportation, but it's expensive
>>> and your bag of groceries might not even fit in the trunk.
>>> Your kids won't fit in the seats. The only thing it's really
>>> good for is driving very fast and announcing to others that
>>> you have a lot of money. Very, very few people drive sports
>>> cars. And it's the same with computers. A computer is for
>>> doing work. A gaming machine is for fun. Who uses
>>> them? Computer geeks who never grew up and some teenage
>>> boys, mostly. But they do account for many of the advances
>>> in computer technology, thanks to the fact that teenage boys
>>> (and geeky office workers who can't get a date) want their
>>> fantasy naked girls to be as realistic as possible.
>>
>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D

Strip poker was the name, I think.

>
> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry?  That was color EGA!  We played it
> at school.

I think we did, but none in our group had a colour monitor (in the
80's). I think, not sure, I got my first colour monitor in 1991. EGA or
VGA, I don't remember. Probably my graphics card was an "ATI Wonder +",
but I don't remember when exactly I got it.

That B/W CGA was an Amstrad PC, which had an enhanced CGA mode (hi res
with 16 colours, perhaps 64?), but few games were aware of that mode.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 24/07/2021 19.24, David Brooks wrote:
> On 24/07/2021 14:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 10.17, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2021 08:57, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:43:13 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <sdggah$fd1$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/07/2021 23:59, Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose
>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed! :-D
>>>>
>>>> Right. I buy Macs when they serve me best for the least money. When
>>>> other
>>>> systems do I buy those.
>>>
>>> What hardware have you ever found which is BETTER than an Apple product?
>>
>> Define "better".
>
> That's hard to define.
>
> Like a Rolls Royce is better than a Ford - will that do? 🤣

Depends how you define "better".

A Rolls Royce is not better than a Ford because whereas both transport
me to the same places in a similar time, the Rolls Royce requires a
secure parking at the destination, it is more expensive to acquire, and
it is more expensive to maintain.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2021-07-25 12:36 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 24/07/2021 19.31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:27:05 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/07/2021 13.13, Mayayana wrote:
>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
> ...
>
>>>>   It's the difference between a car and a sports car. One
>>>> is for transportation. The other is for fun or sport. You
>>>> could drive the sports car for transportation, but it's expensive
>>>> and your bag of groceries might not even fit in the trunk.
>>>> Your kids won't fit in the seats. The only thing it's really
>>>> good for is driving very fast and announcing to others that
>>>> you have a lot of money. Very, very few people drive sports
>>>> cars. And it's the same with computers. A computer is for
>>>> doing work. A gaming machine is for fun. Who uses
>>>> them? Computer geeks who never grew up and some teenage
>>>> boys, mostly. But they do account for many of the advances
>>>> in computer technology, thanks to the fact that teenage boys
>>>> (and geeky office workers who can't get a date) want their
>>>> fantasy naked girls to be as realistic as possible.
>>>
>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>
> Strip poker was the name, I think.
>
>>
>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry?  That was color EGA!  We played it
>> at school.
>
> I think we did, but none in our group had a colour monitor (in the
> 80's). I think, not sure, I got my first colour monitor in 1991. EGA or
> VGA, I don't remember. Probably my graphics card was an "ATI Wonder +",
> but I don't remember when exactly I got it.
>
> That B/W CGA was an Amstrad PC, which had an enhanced CGA mode (hi res
> with 16 colours, perhaps 64?), but few games were aware of that mode.

CGA was capable of 16 colours if you used an RGBi monitor.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18

On 25/07/2021 18.54, Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-25 12:36 p.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 19.31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:27:05 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/07/2021 13.13, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>>>    It's the difference between a car and a sports car. One
>>>>> is for transportation. The other is for fun or sport. You
>>>>> could drive the sports car for transportation, but it's expensive
>>>>> and your bag of groceries might not even fit in the trunk.
>>>>> Your kids won't fit in the seats. The only thing it's really
>>>>> good for is driving very fast and announcing to others that
>>>>> you have a lot of money. Very, very few people drive sports
>>>>> cars. And it's the same with computers. A computer is for
>>>>> doing work. A gaming machine is for fun. Who uses
>>>>> them? Computer geeks who never grew up and some teenage
>>>>> boys, mostly. But they do account for many of the advances
>>>>> in computer technology, thanks to the fact that teenage boys
>>>>> (and geeky office workers who can't get a date) want their
>>>>> fantasy naked girls to be as realistic as possible.
>>>>
>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>
>> Strip poker was the name, I think.
>>
>>>
>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry?  That was color EGA!  We played it
>>> at school.
>>
>> I think we did, but none in our group had a colour monitor (in the
>> 80's). I think, not sure, I got my first colour monitor in 1991. EGA or
>> VGA, I don't remember. Probably my graphics card was an "ATI Wonder +",
>> but I don't remember when exactly I got it.
>>
>> That B/W CGA was an Amstrad PC, which had an enhanced CGA mode (hi res
>> with 16 colours, perhaps 64?), but few games were aware of that mode.
>
> CGA was capable of 16 colours if you used an RGBi monitor.

In the medium resolution mode. In high resolution mode it had only two.
But the Amstrad PC had 16 in high res.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter#Standard_graphics_modes

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC1512>

«The PC1512 shipped with 512 KB of RAM; it could be upgraded to 640 KB
of RAM with 16 pieces of 4164-120 Dynamic RAM chips (64KBx1 per chip)
and setting a jumper. [1] Video output was compatible with the CGA
standard, with an extension allowing all 16 colours to be used in the
640×200 graphics mode.»

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 25/07/2021 17:24, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> On 24/07/2021 19.24, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 24/07/2021 14:31, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2021 10.17, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 24/07/2021 08:57, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:43:13 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <sdggah$fd1$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/07/2021 23:59, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> [....]
>>>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose
>>>>>>>> for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed! :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. I buy Macs when they serve me best for the least money. When
>>>>> other
>>>>> systems do I buy those.
>>>>
>>>> What hardware have you ever found which is BETTER than an Apple product?
>>>
>>> Define "better".
>>
>> That's hard to define.
>>
>> Like a Rolls Royce is better than a Ford - will that do? 🤣
>
> Depends how you define "better".
>
> A Rolls Royce is not better than a Ford because whereas both transport
> me to the same places in a similar time, the Rolls Royce requires a
> secure parking at the destination, it is more expensive to acquire, and
> it is more expensive to maintain.

Oh, you can't get to Heaven in an old Ford car
'Cause an old Ford car won't get that far!

https://www.boyscouttrail.com/content/song/cant_get_to_heaven-1339.asp

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:52:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.061pvodtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>>
>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>
>>> Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
>>> services you think are important.
>>
>> I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.
>
> You don't use the fire department until you need it.

You have home insurance. That would cover the fire department. But you could choose to risk it and have no insurance.

On 2021-07-25, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid> wrote:
> On 24/07/2021 22:41, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On 2021-07-24, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 24/07/2021 16:53, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 at 09:13:25, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid>
>>>> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
>>>>> On 24/07/2021 00:35, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 6:59 p.m., Chris wrote:
>>>>> [....]
>>>>>> Yeah, it would take someone who _really_ hates Apple to say bad
>>>>>> things  about the M1 and the products which use it. No matter how you
>>>>>> slice it,  they came out with what will long be regarded as one of
>>>>>> the greatest  innovations in mobile computing. People might forget
>>>>>> whatever machine  you're in front of at the moment, but they're not
>>>>>> likely to forget how  much of an impact the M1 made.
>>>>>
>>>>> Question for you!  Why does your header info start with this line?
>>>>>
>>>>> =
>>>>>
>>>>> Path:
>>>>> hunterbd.eternal-september.org!!eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-s
>>>>> eptember.org!news.dns-netz.com!news.freedyn.net!newsreader4.netcologne.d
>>>>> e!news.netcologne.de!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer
>>>>> 03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!fx33.iad.POS
>>>>> TED!not-for-mail
>>>>
>>>> Are you talking about "=", or is that just something you've put in as a
>>>> separator?
>>>
>>> I put it there myself as a separator!
>>>
>>>> If you're talking about the "Path: " line, that isn't how it left Chris:
>>>> it's how that header line of his post looked when it got to you.
>>>
>>> It was from the header of Rabid Roach!
>>
>> Not as coming from the post of his you replied to.
>>
>> <https://i.ibb.co/8MR0xW7/path-follies.png>
>
> I don't recognise what you think may be wrong. :-(

I used the wrong image so ignore it. The point is, the post you
responded to didn't have the path you claimed it did.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 18:57:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:19:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06zudzwlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 02:23:01 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 5:12:42 PM MST, "Paul" wrote <sdad5q$fjg$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>>
>>>> "The included GPU has 8 cores as well,
>>>> with 128 total compute units and 2.6 teraflops (FP32)
>>>> of throughput (there is one exception here: the
>>>> entry level MacBook Air uses a version of the
>>>> M1 with a 7-core GPU). The "unified memory"
>>>> replaces the need for separate RAM"
>>>>
>>>> Which means the GPU works the same way as Intel Graphics
>>>> on a laptop does. It uses system memory.
>>>
>>> Correct.
>>>
>>>> The TerryFlops32 is about the same as HD 5870.
>>>> The best video card you can buy, might be
>>>> fifteen times as much TerryFlops32. And the Leet
>>>> Floppers only count the FP64 ones (because the
>>>> video card companies charge thousands for the privilege
>>>> of having large amounts of those). For example, my
>>>> video card has an "integer ratio" between FP32 units
>>>> and FP64 units, that makes FP64ing with the thing
>>>> a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing wrong with that GPU. It's like
>>>> lots of other integrated graphics.
>>>
>>> Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
>>> excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
>>> like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
>>> the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
>>> machine.
>>
>> If you're using it for a calendar, why are you buying anything fancy at all?
>> Get a 486.
>
> That's not the only thing the computer is used for.

I cannot understand anyone using a computer and not needed colossal power.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:

> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>
>> Yes. We are.
>>
>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>
> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who chose
> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them. It is
> more contagious but also less potent.

Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:56:10 +0100, LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>
>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>
> Yes. We are.
>
> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.

Ignore the mandate. I do.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 22:14:13 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 23, 2021 at 12:06:24 PM MST, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote
> <im0i9gFrohmU1@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> On 2021-07-23 1:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>
>>> Yes. We are.
>>>
>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>
>>
>> But your still alive and not in An ICU.
>>
>> Rene
>
> He also survived an explosion he posted about the other day where he said he
> needed updates to see if he was even involved.

How the fuck can you need to ask someone if you're involved in an explosion? Wouldn't it be obvious?

> Gremlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no matter what name he posts
> under.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:44:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:26:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.061peck3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:07:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:51:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.06xvnmfgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 00:06:11 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:47:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.06v3ks1emvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:48:19 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 17:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You really do need to keep your finger on the pulse, m8! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Read here:- https://www.tomsguide.com/uk/reviews/macbook-air-2020-m1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you tell me. It's either powerful or cool, not both. If they claim both,
>>>>>> it probably thermally throttles if you work it hard for more than several
>>>>>> seconds.
>>>>>
>>>>> It rarely gets throttled in general use... but it can be if you work it hard
>>>>> for a few minutes (say a video render).
>>>>
>>>> That's enough for me to stop reading and never buy one. Like buying a 150mph
>>>> car that can only do so for short bursts, it's a damn lie.
>>>
>>> They are very clear it has no fan. There is no lie. But if you don't want one
>>> don't get one.
>>
>> Might not technically be a lie, but it's still misrepresentation. Look at this
>> powerful OR quiet machine....
>
> To a large extent that is the choice you make. Another comparison I recently
> watched:
>
> https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k
>
> The Air gets amazing reviews. And notice being "quiet" is one of the reasons
> listed (as is price, power, video rendering, instant wake on open, no power
> throttling on battery, excellent keyboard, excellent build, excellent monitor,
> etc.) Only thing noted it is not good for: gaming (which is no surprise).
>
> For the fan comments: https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k?t=522
>
> You might not notice the fan noise... until you use a system which has no such
> noise. I know for me I am bothered by fan noises. I appreciate the low sound
> of Apple products.

With zero fan noise you're in danger of hearing traffic noises outside.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:45:32 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:26:57 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.061pe7jzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:08:49 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:50:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.06xvmfwmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:19:30 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 9:51:58 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.06v3swrbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:49:37 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06t8fqy1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:32:09 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 8:42:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.06t5w4hhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It
>>>>>>>>>> should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it's forced by the fan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They make use of the convection cooling as well. This means the fan can be
>>>>>>> smaller and less noisy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at minimum speed.
>>>>>
>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of convection cooling.
>>>>
>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving faster than
>>>> convection.
>>>
>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the fan is not
>>> running all the time.
>>
>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>
> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible often is.

Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:47:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:30:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.061pldgwmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:16:43 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.06xvgchrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:13:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 10:03:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.06v4b4ghmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU?
>>>>>
>>>>> It does -- but it is an integrated one.
>>>>>
>>>>>> No wonder it doesn't need a fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has graphics... and in real world use it works very well.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/MtLIE74nl-0
>>>>
>>>> No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint
>>>> presentation....
>>>
>>> Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the Macbook
>>> Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and while
>>> it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely does have
>>> a GPU.
>>
>> Surely one could be made that has a fan, but is only used if you start gaming
>> on it? Just because a powerful chip is in there, doesn't mean it has to be
>> used all the time. Being able to connect the screen to either the onboard or
>> the GPU would be a good idea.
>
> You could make a machine with multiple CPUs and GPUs and more... but it would
> be bigger and more expensive.

No. You can already buy machines with a seperate GPU. Why not just take one of those, but disable the GPU until you load a game etc? The built in graphics of the CPU could then take over.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:50:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.061pm5avmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>
>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it at
>> school.
>
> It was a fun game... and you can STILL play it:
>
> https://www.retrogames.cz/play_493-DOS.php?language=EN

I do not understand the desire to play outdated quality stuff. This is what I play: https://youtu.be/IbnW213nRO8

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 23:59:16 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's
>>>>>>>> a very
>>>>>>>> slow laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
>>>>> processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
>>>>> successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
>>>>> from low-power mobile device space.
>>>>
>>>> I suppose you already know that Intel was in the ARM market
>>>> and got out. This is from 2006, to give you some idea
>>>> how long ago that was, that they dabbled in the stuff.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.theregister.com/2006/06/27/intel_sells_xscale/
>>>>
>>>> It's not a question of capability. Intel has lots of
>>>> employees, it also regularly does M&A.
>>>>
>>>> But what is their strategy ?
>>>>
>>>> Have the legacy handcuffs been taken off ?
>>>>
>>>> Is that (partially) what Windows 11 is ?
>>>> A kind of signal ?
>>>>
>>>> There are many possible outcomes, but I've no idea
>>>> what ones make sense.
>>>
>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>> so why would they bother?
>>>
>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>
>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>
> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.

Mercedes is a better product than VW, but I wouldn't buy one, since they're vastly overpriced.

On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:32:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2021 at 1:17:44 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <sdgib9$p37$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> On 24/07/2021 08:57, Snit wrote:
>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 12:43:13 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <sdggah$fd1$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>>>
>>>> On 23/07/2021 23:59, Chris wrote:
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> [....]
>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed! :-D
>>>
>>> Right. I buy Macs when they serve me best for the least money. When other
>>> systems do I buy those.
>>
>> What hardware have you ever found which is BETTER than an Apple product?
>
> Depends on the needs. When I worked for schools we got a lot of donated
> hardware. Free was better than paid for, so it was "better". I installed Linux
> and used it for things like the bell system at one school

Er.... when I went to school, the bell system was a large (2 foot high) brass clockwork mechanism in the janitor's office. It kept pretty good time.