On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:20:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:37:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06434oh8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:51:11 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:35:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.061psne1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:17:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.06xvfkcdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>>>>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple *HAS* made them - *NEW* M1 chips.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least for now that is correct.
>>>>
>>>> You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.
>>>
>>> Nope. I am an atheist... even in computers I say use what is best for you.
>>
>> Your logic has failed then, because Apple is never the best choice.
>
> If it is not for you then don't get one.

It's not for anyone. It's incompatible with most people. It costs more for the same specs. You have a smaller base of programs and people to help you with it.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:20:45 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:37:02 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.064330q1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:50:52 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:34:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.061prusimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 19:08:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 23, 2021 at 2:06:39 AM MST, ""Carlos E. R."" wrote
>>>>> <vddqshxjc5.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22/07/2021 19.16, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06xvgchrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:13:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 10:03:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.06v4b4ghmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>>>>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>>>>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>>>>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>>>>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>>>>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>>>>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It does -- but it is an integrated one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No wonder it doesn't need a fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It has graphics... and in real world use it works very well.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/MtLIE74nl-0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint
>>>>>>>> presentation....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the Macbook
>>>>>>> Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and while
>>>>>>> it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely does have
>>>>>>> a GPU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I intentionally buy all my laptops with that kind of graphics. I prefer
>>>>>> long battery life over graphic power.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that is true for most. There are exceptions, such as gamers and those
>>>>> who do a lot of video editing, but for the general user the extra video
>>>>> capabilities do not matter.
>>>>
>>>> Actually they can be used for non-graphics stuff, like the science I used to
>>>> do, or even for calculating chess positions.
>>>
>>> They can be... but might the neural engines of the M1 be able to do much the
>>> same? Not sure.
>>
>> If it runs OpenCL or Cuda, yes. Otherwise someone has to reprogram, again,
>> always the same with Apple.
>
> Often with these transitions all a developer has to do is recompile. Sometimes
> they benefit from doing more though.

It's often not as simple as recompiling.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:21:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:36:03 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06432d2nmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 03:53:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2021 at 7:48:44 PM MST, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote
>>> <im1dcbF2g80U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-23 9:20 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-23 7:45 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 5:28 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 3:58 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:41 p.m., nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <DFEKI.28482$0Z7.24976@fx39.iad>, Rabid Roach
>>>>>>>>> <rabid@roa.ch>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who
>>>>>>>>>> chose
>>>>>>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them.
>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not one word of that is even remotely correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rabid roach is spreading FUD and bullshit. and cowshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe in your freedom to believe what the legacy media tells you
>>>>>>> on Friday, even if it is contradicted by what they tell you on
>>>>>>> Saturday. Enjoy your sleep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My podiatrist Passed away in the HSC ICU from COVID-19 y
>>>>>> three weeks ago! Do you think that's my imagination?
>>>>>> Do you see any smileys here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You Dumb Cockroach.
>>>>>
>>>>> My condolences, but none of what you are saying is confirming that the
>>>>> delta variant is more dangerous or that the vaccine works. You're simply
>>>>> telling me a story which is supposed to stimulate emotion in me and get
>>>>> me to back down. I am neither moved nor willing to back down on my
>>>>> statement.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I really don't give a *fuck*what you do, as you're only a lone cockroach
>>>> in my book.
>>>>
>>>> Rene
>>>
>>> Why be so cruel to cockroaches?
>>
>> I kill all insects. They didn't ask to enter my property.
>
> It was their ancestors property you stole.

They don't have title deeds.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:22:27 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:35:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06431mnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 03:52:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 23, 2021 at 7:20:40 PM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
>>> <YNKKI.17476$W56.2707@fx08.iad>:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-23 7:45 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-23 5:28 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 3:58 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:41 p.m., nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <DFEKI.28482$0Z7.24976@fx39.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who
>>>>>>>>> chose
>>>>>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them.
>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nonsense. not one word of that is even remotely correct.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rabid roach is spreading FUD and bullshit. and cowshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe in your freedom to believe what the legacy media tells you
>>>>>> on Friday, even if it is contradicted by what they tell you on
>>>>>> Saturday. Enjoy your sleep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My podiatrist Passed away in the HSC ICU from COVID-19 y
>>>>> three weeks ago! Do you think that's my imagination?
>>>>> Do you see any smileys here?
>>>>>
>>>>> You Dumb Cockroach.
>>>>
>>>> My condolences, but none of what you are saying is confirming that the
>>>> delta variant is more dangerous
>>>
>>> It is more contagious.
>>>
>>>> or that the vaccine works.
>>>
>>> Massi evidence shows it does. Heck, well over 90% of those in hospitals are
>>> not fully vaccinated.
>>>
>>>> You're simply
>>>> telling me a story which is supposed to stimulate emotion in me and get
>>>> me to back down. I am neither moved nor willing to back down on my
>>>> statement.
>>>
>>> Logic, fact checking, scientific studies are more than emotion. Please stop
>>> spreading lies.
>>
>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>
>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>
> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>
> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.

With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it would make the world more sensible.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 21:12:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 26/07/2021 15.45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at
>>>>>>>>>> minimum speed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of
>>>>>>>>> convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving
>>>>>>>> faster than
>>>>>>>> convection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the
>>>>>>> fan is not
>>>>>>> running all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>>>>
>>>>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible
>>>>> often is.
>>>>
>>>> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.
>>>
>>> Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an
>>> advantage. As
>>> you note, though, there are tradeoffs.
>>
>> If it's coming through the same hole, convection does nothing at all
>> when the fan is running.
>
> Not fully correct :-)
>
> The heat inside a chip goes to its surface by convection, and travels
> the heatsink via convection, where it passes to the air flow.

No, conduction not convection in a solid. Convection would need the metal to move.

> Then there are areas inside a laptop that do not get forced air flow,
> being far from the CPU. Some laptops dissipate heat via the keyboard,
> for instance, and feel hot even with the fan flowing full blast - like
> the laptop I'm using this instant.

All laptops I've seen don't have much venting underneath apart from the fan intake. The exhaust of the fan often blows a bit across the whole thing and out of the keyboard though.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 23:20:42 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

> On 26/07/2021 15.42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 17:36:16 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/07/2021 19.31, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:27:05 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/07/2021 13.13, Mayayana wrote:
>>>>>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>> It's the difference between a car and a sports car. One
>>>>>> is for transportation. The other is for fun or sport. You
>>>>>> could drive the sports car for transportation, but it's expensive
>>>>>> and your bag of groceries might not even fit in the trunk.
>>>>>> Your kids won't fit in the seats. The only thing it's really
>>>>>> good for is driving very fast and announcing to others that
>>>>>> you have a lot of money. Very, very few people drive sports
>>>>>> cars. And it's the same with computers. A computer is for
>>>>>> doing work. A gaming machine is for fun. Who uses
>>>>>> them? Computer geeks who never grew up and some teenage
>>>>>> boys, mostly. But they do account for many of the advances
>>>>>> in computer technology, thanks to the fact that teenage boys
>>>>>> (and geeky office workers who can't get a date) want their
>>>>>> fantasy naked girls to be as realistic as possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>>
>>> Strip poker was the name, I think.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it
>>>> at school.
>>>
>>> I think we did, but none in our group had a colour monitor (in the
>>> 80's). I think, not sure, I got my first colour monitor in 1991. EGA or
>>> VGA, I don't remember. Probably my graphics card was an "ATI Wonder +",
>>> but I don't remember when exactly I got it.
>>
>> In 1991, I had a 386 SX (no maths co processor) 16MHz
>
> Same as me :-)
>
> Years later I found a spare coprocessor in a box full of parts and
> plugged it in. Hum, I don't remember if it was for the 386 or the 8086.
> Ie, a 387SX or an 8087.
>
>> with a 14" colour
>> monitor doing 16 million colours at 1024*768. I very soon added a 1MB
>> Cirrus Logic GPU for games, the Trident that came with it was slow as hell.
>
> I did not worry about games speed, my worry was having a card with many
> graphical modes so that any software I tried would find a mode they
> could use. And that ATI card did just that.

I was once accused of being a snob for owning a Diamond Stealth. 4MB!

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:41:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:35:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0669tpaemvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 00:10:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 3:25:04 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <sdkoc0$8aj$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>>>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>>>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>>>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>>>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing gullible about buying into a better product.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, you could do what I did for a few people back when I was
>>>>> building desktops. Find the parts Apple use, build your "PC desktop"
>>>>> with them, then install Mac OS on it.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck finding an Apple M1 CPU and motherboard.
>>>
>>> Even with Intel Macs it is not as easy as many seem to think.
>>
>> It was fucking easy. Mainly just the motherboard needs to be the same, in my
>> case it was Foxconn boards.
>
> Motherboard and GPU and other components. And even then you might be one macOS
> update away from not being able to use it (with the update).

Ok, maybe the GPU. But everything else is pretty standard.

And I disagree on the update. If any combination is ok with version X, it will be ok with version X+1, otherwise Apple would be killing off genuine Apples too.

>>> And if you did
>>> do it there was no reason to think the machine would be supported, and if you
>>> ran into issues no way to get support from Apple, and Apple offers excellent
>>> support.
>>
>> Who asks for support from Apple/Microsoft? We use Google.
>
> I run into issue where Google has no answers.

In which case nobody will.

>>>>> Not only do you get the hardware about half the price, but you don't have
>>>>> to pay for the OS.
>>>>
>>>> macOS has been free for the best part of a decade.
>>>
>>> You pay for it with the hardware... he is talking about pirating.
>>
>> I'm a very naughty boy.
>
> You are.

Spank me.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:42:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:33:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0669qox3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>> Good luck finding an Apple M1 CPU and motherboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> Even with Intel Macs it is not as easy as many seem to think. And if you did
>>>>> do it there was no reason to think the machine would be supported,
>>>>
>>>> There's no need to think: it is utterly unsupported.
>>>
>>> I meant not even being able to run the never version of macOS. My wording was
>>> not clear though.
>>
>> If you build it with parts that Apple use, the OS thinks it's an Apple and
>> will behave exactly the same way.
>
> Not quite as easy as you try to make it sound:
>
> https://www.quora.com/How-reliable-is-a-64-bit-Hackintosh-as-a-main-computer
>
> But as a hobby project it sounds like fun.

I know it's easy because I've done a few of them.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:44:03 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:32:03 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0669npfjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:24:26 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 10:58:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.063ljs0rmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:52:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.061pvodtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>>>>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>>>>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>>>>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>>>>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
>>>>>>> services you think are important.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't use the fire department until you need it.
>>>>
>>>> You have home insurance. That would cover the fire department. But you could
>>>> choose to risk it and have no insurance.
>>>
>>> Home insurance does not pay for the fire department, they pay for fire damage.
>>> And they certainly do not pay to cover the 20+ fires burning within 20 miles
>>> or so of me.
>>
>> They could if the government stopped doing so.
>
> Who would pay?

The insurance, since you have a policy which includes fire.

> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again) right now. People
> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and you think they will
> pay for things they are not forced to?

My neighbour is free to wear one himself.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:48:12 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:30:41 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0669lf0emvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:59:34 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:01:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.063lovo2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who chose
>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them. It is
>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.
>>>
>>> Nor is anyone asking to.
>>>
>>> I hope they start demanding proof of vaccination once it gets full FDA
>>> approval (which is likely coming soon).
>>
>> By which time it'll have been long gone anyway.
>
> Sadly a lot of people believe that fantasy.

Go look at the deaths on worldometer.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:48:48 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:30:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0669kvbpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:48:03 +0100, LegionX
>> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>>
>>> HHI <HHI@imaginary.friend.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> On 7/25/21 11:24 PM, LegionX wrote:> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> Wrote
>>>> in message:> >> One would think... but Gremlin was posting saying there was
>>>> an explosion but he had not heard from himself.<> >Gremlin didn't post
>>>> anything. We did. We again invite you to> support your socking accusation
>>>> snit. We supported ours when we> called you out for socking up as Sigmond.>
>>>>>> Gremlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no matter what name he
>>>> posts under.<> >On Gremlins *worst days* he can still mop the floor with you
>>>> on> *any tech subject* with fuckin ease. Any of us can.> >Gremlin only
>>>> posts under one handle
>>>
>>>> Shit. I forgot to mention Diesel.<> Snit. Diesel isn't a sock of Gremlins.
>>>> It's an old handle he used
>>> for the purposes of making things more difficult for the remailer
>>> who revealed they had newbie level usenet search
>>> skills.
>>>
>>> Would you like to try again girlyman?
>>>
>>>> You know what we mean you sock using asshole.<> We aren't mind readers. And
>>>> even if one of us was - snits is far
>>> too over self medicated on benzos and booze for us to read
>>> his.
>>
>> Nobody fucking cares.
>
> Gremlin has forgotten how to wrap. Odd.

You mean learned how to not wrap.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:51:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06695xu0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:12:23 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:45:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.0644hq2omvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at minimum speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving faster than
>>>>>>>>>> convection.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the fan is not
>>>>>>>>> running all the time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible often is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an advantage. As
>>>>> you note, though, there are tradeoffs.
>>>>
>>>> If it's coming through the same hole, convection does nothing at all when the
>>>> fan is running.
>>>
>>> How do you figure?
>>
>> Because the speed of the air forced by even a slow fan is an order of
>> magnitude faster than convection.
>
> That would imply it does little, not nothing.

I'd say negligible compared to a fan. It might be enough when the computer is idling, but if the fan runs at all, it's 10 times more cooling.

> Would be interesting to see how much effect it really has. I suspect you get
> much more with a vertical computer like an iMac than you do with a "flat"
> computer like a laptop.

Maybe, maybe not. If it's vertical, warm air from the bottom component is rising past the next component so it cools not so good.

On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:52:35 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.066946wpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:12:08 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:46:18 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.0644jgo5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:58:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:03:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.063lr600mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are very clear it has no fan. There is no lie. But if you don't want one
>>>>>>>>> don't get one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Might not technically be a lie, but it's still misrepresentation. Look at this
>>>>>>>> powerful OR quiet machine....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To a large extent that is the choice you make. Another comparison I recently
>>>>>>> watched:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Air gets amazing reviews. And notice being "quiet" is one of the reasons
>>>>>>> listed (as is price, power, video rendering, instant wake on open, no power
>>>>>>> throttling on battery, excellent keyboard, excellent build, excellent monitor,
>>>>>>> etc.) Only thing noted it is not good for: gaming (which is no surprise).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the fan comments: https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k?t=522
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You might not notice the fan noise... until you use a system which has no such
>>>>>>> noise. I know for me I am bothered by fan noises. I appreciate the low sound
>>>>>>> of Apple products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With zero fan noise you're in danger of hearing traffic noises outside.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure. Still nice to have a quiet computer.
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter how quiet it is, something will annoy me, like the cooling
>>>> fan on a Sky TV box, or a refridgerator in the next room. Your ears have
>>>> automatic level control. But the most annoying thing is a change in noise.
>>>
>>> Might not matter to you... does to me and to others.
>>
>> I guess you have bad hearing.
>
> I have very sensitive hearing... but have a hard time "blocking out"
> background noise. Comes with the dysautonomia I have.

Then you should be like me. If you stop an annoying noise, you just end up hearing the next loudest one.

On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:40:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684pvsxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:42:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:33:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.0669qox3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>> Good luck finding an Apple M1 CPU and motherboard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even with Intel Macs it is not as easy as many seem to think. And if you did
>>>>>> do it there was no reason to think the machine would be supported,
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no need to think: it is utterly unsupported.
>>>>
>>>> I meant not even being able to run the never version of macOS. My wording was
>>>> not clear though.
>>>
>>> If you build it with parts that Apple use, the OS thinks it's an Apple and
>>> will behave exactly the same way.
>>
>> Not quite as easy as you try to make it sound:
>>
>> https://www.quora.com/How-reliable-is-a-64-bit-Hackintosh-as-a-main-computer
>>
>> But as a hobby project it sounds like fun.
>
> I know it's easy because I've done a few of them.

How many macOS versions did you use on it?

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:40:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684o9yomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> ...
>>>>
>>>> Even with Intel Macs it is not as easy as many seem to think.
>>>
>>> It was fucking easy. Mainly just the motherboard needs to be the same, in my
>>> case it was Foxconn boards.
>>
>> Motherboard and GPU and other components. And even then you might be one macOS
>> update away from not being able to use it (with the update).
>
> Ok, maybe the GPU. But everything else is pretty standard.
>
> And I disagree on the update. If any combination is ok with version X, it will
> be ok with version X+1, otherwise Apple would be killing off genuine Apples
> too.

I have heard horror stories of folks who have one only to have Apple change
things and make them no longer work (with the new upgrade). Even have this on
minor updates.

Not sure how common it is though... I have never made one.

>
>>>> And if you did
>>>> do it there was no reason to think the machine would be supported, and if you
>>>> ran into issues no way to get support from Apple, and Apple offers excellent
>>>> support.
>>>
>>> Who asks for support from Apple/Microsoft? We use Google.
>>
>> I run into issue where Google has no answers.
>
> In which case nobody will.

Worked recently with Apple on some odd issues a neighbor was having. In the
end, I admit, they were not of much help... ended up doing a backup, wiping
the drive, and starting from scratch. Never had to do that before. They were
having very weird permissions issues... things would be allowed sometimes
until they gave permission, then they were not allowed at all. Tried a new
user. Re-installed the OS. Created another new user. No dice.

Wiped the drive and brought their data back... and all was good. Very odd.

>
>>>>>> Not only do you get the hardware about half the price, but you don't have
>>>>>> to pay for the OS.
>>>>>
>>>>> macOS has been free for the best part of a decade.
>>>>
>>>> You pay for it with the hardware... he is talking about pirating.
>>>
>>> I'm a very naughty boy.
>>
>> You are.
>
> Spank me.

Can I take videos as I do it?

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:37:55 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684lhcymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 21:12:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/07/2021 15.45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at
>>>>>>>>>>> minimum speed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of
>>>>>>>>>> convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving
>>>>>>>>> faster than
>>>>>>>>> convection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the
>>>>>>>> fan is not
>>>>>>>> running all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible
>>>>>> often is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.
>>>>
>>>> Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an
>>>> advantage. As
>>>> you note, though, there are tradeoffs.
>>>
>>> If it's coming through the same hole, convection does nothing at all
>>> when the fan is running.
>>
>> Not fully correct :-)
>>
>> The heat inside a chip goes to its surface by convection, and travels
>> the heatsink via convection, where it passes to the air flow.
>
> No, conduction not convection in a solid. Convection would need the metal to
> move.

Get it hot enough and it will!

>
>> Then there are areas inside a laptop that do not get forced air flow,
>> being far from the CPU. Some laptops dissipate heat via the keyboard,
>> for instance, and feel hot even with the fan flowing full blast - like
>> the laptop I'm using this instant.
>
> All laptops I've seen don't have much venting underneath apart from the fan
> intake. The exhaust of the fan often blows a bit across the whole thing and
> out of the keyboard though.

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:36:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684i6c5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:22:27 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:35:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06431mnxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 03:52:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 2021 at 7:20:40 PM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
>>>> <YNKKI.17476$W56.2707@fx08.iad>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-23 7:45 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 5:28 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 3:58 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:41 p.m., nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <DFEKI.28482$0Z7.24976@fx39.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who
>>>>>>>>>> chose
>>>>>>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them.
>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not one word of that is even remotely correct.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Rabid roach is spreading FUD and bullshit. and cowshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe in your freedom to believe what the legacy media tells you
>>>>>>> on Friday, even if it is contradicted by what they tell you on
>>>>>>> Saturday. Enjoy your sleep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My podiatrist Passed away in the HSC ICU from COVID-19 y
>>>>>> three weeks ago! Do you think that's my imagination?
>>>>>> Do you see any smileys here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You Dumb Cockroach.
>>>>>
>>>>> My condolences, but none of what you are saying is confirming that the
>>>>> delta variant is more dangerous
>>>>
>>>> It is more contagious.
>>>>
>>>>> or that the vaccine works.
>>>>
>>>> Massi evidence shows it does. Heck, well over 90% of those in hospitals are
>>>> not fully vaccinated.
>>>>
>>>>> You're simply
>>>>> telling me a story which is supposed to stimulate emotion in me and get
>>>>> me to back down. I am neither moved nor willing to back down on my
>>>>> statement.
>>>>
>>>> Logic, fact checking, scientific studies are more than emotion. Please stop
>>>> spreading lies.
>>>
>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>
>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>
>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>
>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>
> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
> would make the world more sensible.

And that is why libertarianism cannot work.

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:35:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684h9zqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:21:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:36:03 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06432d2nmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 03:53:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 23, 2021 at 7:48:44 PM MST, "Rene Lamontagne" wrote
>>>> <im1dcbF2g80U1@mid.individual.net>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-23 9:20 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 7:45 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 5:28 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 3:58 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:41 p.m., nospam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <DFEKI.28482$0Z7.24976@fx39.iad>, Rabid Roach
>>>>>>>>>> <rabid@roa.ch>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who
>>>>>>>>>>> chose
>>>>>>>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them.
>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not one word of that is even remotely correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rabid roach is spreading FUD and bullshit. and cowshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I believe in your freedom to believe what the legacy media tells you
>>>>>>>> on Friday, even if it is contradicted by what they tell you on
>>>>>>>> Saturday. Enjoy your sleep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My podiatrist Passed away in the HSC ICU from COVID-19 y
>>>>>>> three weeks ago! Do you think that's my imagination?
>>>>>>> Do you see any smileys here?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You Dumb Cockroach.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My condolences, but none of what you are saying is confirming that the
>>>>>> delta variant is more dangerous or that the vaccine works. You're simply
>>>>>> telling me a story which is supposed to stimulate emotion in me and get
>>>>>> me to back down. I am neither moved nor willing to back down on my
>>>>>> statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I really don't give a *fuck*what you do, as you're only a lone cockroach
>>>>> in my book.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rene
>>>>
>>>> Why be so cruel to cockroaches?
>>>
>>> I kill all insects. They didn't ask to enter my property.
>>
>> It was their ancestors property you stole.
>
> They don't have title deeds.

They are very, very tiny.

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:35:44 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684huclmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>>>> I intentionally buy all my laptops with that kind of graphics. I prefer
>>>>>>> long battery life over graphic power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think that is true for most. There are exceptions, such as gamers and those
>>>>>> who do a lot of video editing, but for the general user the extra video
>>>>>> capabilities do not matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually they can be used for non-graphics stuff, like the science I used to
>>>>> do, or even for calculating chess positions.
>>>>
>>>> They can be... but might the neural engines of the M1 be able to do much the
>>>> same? Not sure.
>>>
>>> If it runs OpenCL or Cuda, yes. Otherwise someone has to reprogram, again,
>>> always the same with Apple.
>>
>> Often with these transitions all a developer has to do is recompile. Sometimes
>> they benefit from doing more though.
>
> It's often not as simple as recompiling.

There are those cases as well.

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:35:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684gzj1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least for now that is correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. I am an atheist... even in computers I say use what is best for you.
>>>
>>> Your logic has failed then, because Apple is never the best choice.
>>
>> If it is not for you then don't get one.
>
> It's not for anyone. It's incompatible with most people. It costs more for the
> same specs. You have a smaller base of programs and people to help you with
> it.

You say you do not like Macs but went out of your way to make a Hackintosh. :)

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:34:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684forgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:19:33 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:37:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06435lszmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:52:13 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.061pukzwmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:15:16 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They're not designed to actually sit on your lap... :-/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're called laptops for a reason, that's where the home ones go.
>>>>>>> Office ones might be on a desk or train table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buy one that suits your needs, then. Don't bitch about having bought
>>>>>> something that doesn't work for you.
>>>>>
>>>>> If it's called "laptop" it should work on a lap.
>>>>
>>>> Many call them notebooks.
>>>
>>> I haven't heard that word for 2-3 decades. I have heard lapdog though.
>>
>> Dell calls them laptops: https://www.dell.com/
>>
>> Apple calls them notebooks: https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/
>>
>> Sorta funny how the ones more suited for the lap are not called laptops. :)
>
> I think "tablet" is the stupidest name - a tablet makes me think of a slab of
> stone.

Would be hard to swallow that!

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:33:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684dkasmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:16:42 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06437xjnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>
>>> Agreed on that.
>>
>> They should be requiring vaccinations for more things. End the damned
>> pandemic.
>
> Forcing anyone to do anything is always wrong.
>
> It's just a bad flu! Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!

It is not a flu, nor is it very similar to one other than how it spreads.

But the fact people will not even do very basic things to protect each other
from this pandemic is a great refutation of libertarianism. It simply does not
work in the real world.

>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>> around than it already is.
>>>
>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>
>> They are "tyrannical" with that, eh?
>
> We don't think anything of it. Nobody here except madmen have a desire to own
> a gun. People do not feel threatened and want to defend themselves. Mainly
> because of the lack of criminals with guns.

But you want to control people and deny them their guns, eh?

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:31:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0684bcp4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:15:21 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:42:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.0644cgstmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>>>
>>>> Strip poker was the name, I think.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it
>>>>> at school.
>>>>
>>>> I think we did, but none in our group had a colour monitor (in the
>>>> 80's). I think, not sure, I got my first colour monitor in 1991. EGA or
>>>> VGA, I don't remember. Probably my graphics card was an "ATI Wonder +",
>>>> but I don't remember when exactly I got it.
>>>
>>> In 1991, I had a 386 SX (no maths co processor) 16MHz with a 14" colour
>>> monitor doing 16 million colours at 1024*768. I very soon added a 1MB Cirrus
>>> Logic GPU for games, the Trident that came with it was slow as hell.
>>
>> My brother had an Apple IIe. Years later, long past it being a "modern"
>> computer, I got an Apple IIgs for fun. I bumped it up to a whopping 4.25 MB of
>> RAM and an incredible 170 MB hard drive.
>
> The computer above ended up with a free upgrade to 80MB when the 40MB disk
> failed and they didn't have any spares. They also replaced the motherboard for
> free when I shorted it out. Just because a serial printer uses the same
> connector as a parallel printer, does not mean it's electrically compatible.

With the early Apple IIe systems you had to pop a chip out and turn it around
to go from supporting a modem to a printer... which was stupid. They later did
fix that.

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:30:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06838qlumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:13:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:44:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.0644f1rmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:56:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:08:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.063l0hysmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:50:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.061pm5avmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>>>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>>>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it at
>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a fun game... and you can STILL play it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.retrogames.cz/play_493-DOS.php?language=EN
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not understand the desire to play outdated quality stuff. This is what I
>>>>> play: https://youtu.be/IbnW213nRO8
>>>>
>>>> I am not much of a gamer... unless you count chess, but no real computer power
>>>> needed for that. Even then I play about 1 game a day on average.
>>>
>>> Fallout 4 is better than real life. In fact I regularly do something in real
>>> life and think Fallout 4 would have made it easier to do that.
>>
>> Glad you enjoy.
>
> Being able to insert some old tin cans and toothbrushes into a workshop and
> having it create a fence is cool.

Never played so do not get the reference.

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On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:29:41 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06837rvdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:12:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:44:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.0644g0qumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:56:59 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:57 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.063lujpgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint
>>>>>>>>> presentation....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the Macbook
>>>>>>>> Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and while
>>>>>>>> it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely does have
>>>>>>>> a GPU.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Surely one could be made that has a fan, but is only used if you start gaming
>>>>>>> on it? Just because a powerful chip is in there, doesn't mean it has to be
>>>>>>> used all the time. Being able to connect the screen to either the onboard or
>>>>>>> the GPU would be a good idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could make a machine with multiple CPUs and GPUs and more... but it would
>>>>>> be bigger and more expensive.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. You can already buy machines with a seperate GPU. Why not just take one of
>>>>> those, but disable the GPU until you load a game etc? The built in graphics of
>>>>> the CPU could then take over.
>>>>
>>>> Not all CPUs have integrated graphics. So you pay more for a CPU with the
>>>> integrated graphics then add a GPU to it. Then you can add an external GPU.
>>>
>>> It costs virtually nothing compared to the seperate GPU. A lot of desktops
>>> I've had have built in graphics and a seperate card.
>>
>> Desktops have less concern about heat and energy.
>
> Anything that's not doing calculations should emit no heat. My 6 month old
> Ryzen 3900XT CPU is absurd. It uses 150W at full power, but 40W when idle.
> WTF is it doing to use 40W?

Idling. :)

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