On 2021-08-07 10:56 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:

>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>
>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>
>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>
>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>
> When everyone dies from the same thing it's not pathetic.  When only
> some die, they're pathetic.

I get it now:

You're just a dick!

On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:30:50 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:50:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07igohdqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:42 +0100, Snit
>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07gk7ne7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again)
>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and
>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is
>>>>>>> when it reaches
>>>>>>> him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>>>>>> slower.
>>>>>>> Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your claims are contrary to the evidence on mask wearing.
>>>>>
>>>>> My claim is basic common sense, it's easier to stop a slow moving
>>>>> thing than a
>>>>> fast moving thing.
>>>>
>>>> What you call "common sense" is your guess, and your guess is
>>>> incorrect. You
>>>> are not looking at evidence on spread but your own guesses as to
>>>> what leads to
>>>> the spread.
>>>
>>> I don't guess that things fall down instead of up.  I don't guess that
>>> faster moving air cools something quicker.  I go by logic and
>>> experience.
>>
>> At least on this you reject evidence and make straw men.
>
> Considering how air moves is not straw.

Failing to consider that it is NOT the air that is infectious, but
rather droplets carried by the air...

....until they encounter a mask shows that considering how air moves is a
strawman.

On 2021-08-07 11:10 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:15:10 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:11:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07nzh6bamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:57:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:29:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07igbm03mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:00:50 +0100, Snit
>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:50:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07eo6vjymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:22:12 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:13:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.07cvk1c4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:01:25 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:33:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.0684dkasmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:16:42 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <op.06437xjnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the thugs who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be able to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ability to defend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtain one (eg. by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> realistic. Besides,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They should be requiring vaccinations for more things. End
>>>>>>>>>>>> the damned
>>>>>>>>>>>> pandemic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Forcing anyone to do anything is always wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a bad flu!  Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is not a flu, nor is it very similar to one other than how
>>>>>>>>>> it spreads.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It makes you feel like anything form "a bad cold" to "a horrid
>>>>>>>>> flu" from what
>>>>>>>>> people have said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it leaves 1/3 of those with it with lasting damage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've not seen any evidence of this theory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/monumental-acknowledgment-cdc-reports-long-term-covid-19-patients-n1234814
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plenty more I can show... and we can go back to the original studies.
>>>>>
>>>>> Coronavirus hasn't been here long term yet.  Those are medium term
>>>>> problems.
>>>>
>>>> Just like the pandemic of 100 years ago was. Sure. But does not mean
>>>> we should
>>>> not work to manage things now.
>>>
>>> I'm not going to worry about such a small thing that's killing us vastly
>>> slower than the population growth.
>>>
>>>>>>>> And kills far more.
>>>>>>>> How many do you personally know who have died from it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know anyone who died, yet I know many weak people who got
>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are lucky. I know several who have died.
>>>>>
>>>>> You must hang around with weaker people.
>>>>
>>>> Or just know more people. Or just fit the common stats more.
>>>
>>> How many people do you know who have not died (including those who
>>> didn't even
>>> get it or know they had it)?
>>>
>>>>>> One of the things I find interesting with the conservative
>>>>>> worldview is how
>>>>>> things often do not matter to those on the right until it has a
>>>>>> more direct
>>>>>> impact on them. We are seeing this, some, with vaccinations. Fewer
>>>>>> people are
>>>>>> spreading misinformation and more people are opting to be vaccinated.
>>>>>
>>>>> We believe direct impacts because the government and media lie.
>>>>> "First hand
>>>>> experience" is the only thing you should ever believe.
>>>>
>>>> Hence why libertarianism cannot work -- you have impacts on others
>>>> you refuse
>>>> to admit to acknowledge. Or even see.
>>>
>>> I refuse to spend my time helping others if I don't want to. Charity
>>> must
>>> always be optional.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But the fact people will not even do very basic things to
>>>>>>>>>> protect each other
>>>>>>>>>> from this pandemic is a great refutation of libertarianism. It
>>>>>>>>>> simply does not
>>>>>>>>>> work in the real world.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These things are unnecessary as the chances of you dying are
>>>>>>>>> minimal.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Already reduced the life expectancy in the US by one year.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a very small amount.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Compared to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your normal life expectancy.
>>>>
>>>> What about other things impacting it?
>>>
>>> Irrelevant.
>>>
>>>>>>>> The chances of
>>>>>>>> dying going through a traffic light are very low -- so why
>>>>>>>> should I be
>>>>>>>> required to stop at red light?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You shouldn't, I don't. Especially "left on red", which is legal
>>>>>>> in the USA
>>>>>>> (although obviously yours is right).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why stop at red lights at all? Why should I be forced to drive on
>>>>>> the right?
>>>>>> It is arbitrary. You are not. What about my freedom? Can I not
>>>>>> make the best
>>>>>> choices for myself?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is what you sound like with the vaccine.
>>>>>
>>>>> I disobey any law I believe is wrong. Do you really stop at a red
>>>>> when the
>>>>> whole junction is empty?
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's another way to go through a red safely - if the person in
>>>>> front goes
>>>>> through on green, you can go through as it turns to red, and so can
>>>>> hundreds
>>>>> behind you. The other direction won't just start driving into a
>>>>> continuous
>>>>> line of traffic.
>>>>
>>>> Why wait at all? Others can stop for you as well as you can stop for
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Answer: you follow safety laws.
>>>
>>> No, I follow common sense. If I can get to where I'm going without
>>> hitting
>>> something, I go. Doesn't matter what the lights say.
>>
>> Yet you stop at red lights.
>
> No, I take them under advisement.  They stop other cars, leaving a gap
> for me to go.  But often there's a gap the lights don't know about.
>
>> You drive on the proper side of the road.
>
> That's not safety, that's efficiency.

On Aug 7, 2021 at 3:49:11 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
<sen2l7$gv9$4@dont-email.me>:

>>>> At the moment we have thousands of things funded by the government. The
>>>> Libertarians would have two. Minimal military for defending only, and
>>>> police
>>>> for serious crimes only.
>>>
>>> So no rules of the road? No fire departments. No safety measures. A
>>> deeply
>>> immature and unworkable system.
>>
>> No, rules are not required because people can think for themselves.
>
> No. Rules are required because people don't need to figure out
> everything from first principles.

Yup. Like don't harm others. Seems simple...

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On 8/7/2021 6:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill.  I won't do
>>>> something to prevent something so trivial.  Just as I don't build a
>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>
>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse
>>> to do
>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>
>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not
>> major.
>
> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.
>
> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
> except heart disease and cancer.
>
> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>
>
>>
>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then
>>>>>>> we get an
>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>
>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used.  At this rate we
>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>
>>> Incorrect.
>>
>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>
> Cite, please!
>
And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.

On Aug 7, 2021 at 7:04:04 PM MST, "knuttle" wrote
<sene2m$n91$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 8/7/2021 6:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill. I won't do
>>>>> something to prevent something so trivial. Just as I don't build a
>>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>>
>>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse
>>>> to do
>>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>>
>>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not
>>> major.
>>
>> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.
>>
>> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
>> except heart disease and cancer.
>>
>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then
>>>>>>>> we get an
>>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used. At this rate we
>>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>>
>>>> Incorrect.
>>>
>>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>>
>> Cite, please!
>>
> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.

The same precautions that work against COVID also work against the flu.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 22:12:56 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>
>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>
>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>
>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>
> When everyone dies from the same thing it's not pathetic. When only some
> die, they're pathetic.

Not everyone dies from cyanide poisoning.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:27:33 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:51:10 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:34:54 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07igkguhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>>>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until you get a variant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>>>>>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>>>
>>>> As you do with mask wearing. Why do you do that?
>>>
>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill. I won't do
>>> something to prevent something so trivial. Just as I don't build a
>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>
>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse to do
>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>
> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not major.

Given the UK's natural (births-deaths) growth rate is ~100,000 per year and
COVID killed well over 100,000 last year it most definitely a major
pandemic even by your ridiculous standards.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/populationestimates/articles/overviewoftheukpopulation/january2021#impact-of-the-coronavirus-covid-19-on-population-and-migration-statistics

We won't know for sure until the formal population statistics are published
in the next few months.

knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> posted this:

> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.

That would fall under "acquired immunity". An appropriate analogy would be
smallpox (primarily) and the Native Americans' response to the European
migration...

There's "natural immunity", seems to somewhat applicable to COVID-19. Then
there's "acquired immunity" which people have been afflicted and recovered
and then passed those traits on to their descendents. And then there's
"immunization immunity", which is the most bestest option for those who
don't have access to the previous 2 types of immunity.

So, the flu has not "almost disappeared"; rather, our medical care systems
have developed very effective vaccinations and treatments for it... While
not being totally immune from the influenza viruses, much of the world's
population has some degree of acquired immunity which means they only get
really, really, really sick instead of outright dying from contracting it.
Also, you get symptoms very quickly from flu and can seek treatment before
you spread it juxtaposed to COVID-19 which can take a ride in a host human
for several days before causing symptoms.

And with influenza, MUCH LIKE the COVID-19 pandemic, the vast majority of
people dying and catastropically sick are the unvaccinated... certain
comorbitities and immuno-deficiencies being the exceptions or "outliers"...
which our INGSOC media love to focus upon to maintain a status-quo of
diametrically opposed positions... both sides primarily founded on
fallacies rather than actual FACTS... "Facts" being defined as a thing
which cannot be refuted - but can be modified as we obtain more related,
relevant, and pertinent data.

Vaccinations dramatically reduce the chances of getting seriously ill or
dying from COVID-19 and MASKS - proper worn in appropiate public,
uncontrolled circumstances - dramatically reduce the chances of either
transmitting or receiving the virus.

While more prominent use of masks could reduce the COVID-19 numbers
dramatically, however it certainly should be voluntary and NOT MANDATED...
Encouraging the use of masks would be much more effective and efficacious
with obtaining widespread compliance.

Studies are now showing - what should have been clear from the earlier
President Trump COVID-19 briefings - immunized people can still contract,
carry, and transmit the virus! This is mainly because our vaccinations are
mRNA vaccines... They don't work like an insecticide and kill the virus,
they simply keep the immunized person from getting sick and/or dying - to a
great extent. So, while a person is immune from catastrophic consequences
with the vaccine, they can unintentionally bounce the virus - and/or the
mutated viruses - among a susceptible (unmasked) population and actually
give the virus additional opportunities to mutate further.

mRNA vaccines stop the virus from replicating. The virus needs to
replicate to survive. If it can't replicate, it will jump to another host
- ad infinitum - until it can replicate or until it dies. Meanwhile, it
will ultimately try to mutate as a survival mechanism... as viruses do.

The yearly flu vaccination actually causes the body to kill that virus.

For the record: Some medical folks hypothesize about how long the COVID-19
virus can survive without attaching to the particular protein needed for it
to replicate thereby causing your own immune system to make you sick,
sicker, sickest, then die, and conflate statistics to support various
conjectures, etc., etc., etc... Beware of these media "doctors"!

But the true thing is that we SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW ENOUGH YET!

We do know the virus is mutating and becoming even more virulent... The
Delta strain is the latest case-in-point. This is a brand new pestilence
on humankind.

The ANSWER is OBVIOUS: The faster and harder we contain the virus, the
sooner we'll be rid of it... But this would take world-wide co-operation,
which is likely not very plausible given the variables of politics and
politicians, despots and idiots included. Maybe we need a 2-week strictly
enforced quarantine before entering or re-entering the USA while we
exterminate the virus here? Again, not very plausible for the same
reasons...

Everything about defeating this virus seems to boil down to all the people
unconditionally cooperating. The quicker we all could do that, the quicker
this thing would all be done and fade into another "I remember when"
anecdote.

It very much boils down to a 'Risks vs. Gains' contemplation - which should
not be founded on simply opposing autocratic Democrats' extremely reductive
reactions which would over-ride common sense and practicality...

Appealing to citizens' common sense and humanity with the extant facts -
which are being modified as we learn more - would likely be much more
effective and certainly more palatable than government mandates on any
level.

What does it really hurt wearing a mask - even if you've had the vaccine?
It's a little bit inconvenient BUT IT'S DEADLY TO THE ENEMY - WHO IS THIS
VIRUS!

Speaking of statistics: Isn't it interesting that the INGSOC Democrats'
propaganda is directed at ONLY COVID-19 positive test numbers while
ignoring the numbers of severely ill and mortality rates are NOT ONLY way
down from the initial outbreak, but remain the lowest in the entire world?

REFERENCE: USA COVID-19 infections = ~25-million / COVID-19 deaths = ~
600,000, which is a MORTALITY RATE of ~2.5% - the lowest in the world and
going down because our health care is so much more available and superior.

While our infection rates are currently going up, we are testing more
people than ever before and our hospitalization and mortality rates are
going proportionately down - and even hospitalization stays are much
shorter because of improved medical knowledge and techniques.

Fully 15,000 of the 600,000 dead Americans are due DIRECTLY to New York
Democrat Governor Cuomo's reckless decision to endanger the most vulnerable
among us... Blue State hypocrisy at it's finest!

"If someone is able to show me that what I think or do is not right, I will
happily change, for I seek the truth, by which no one was ever truly
harmed." -- Marcus Aurelius

INGSOC Democrats should try that on, for a change!

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On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:15:40 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07nzbza8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>>>>> Never played so do not get the reference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Part of the game is building settlements. If you've collected anything which
>>>>>>>> contains the things you need, eg. aluminium, gears, plastic, then you just
>>>>>>>> insert those into the "workshop" and ask it to produce the thing you want.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got it. Have seen similar... though can't even remember where.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are many building type games, but this one is good because of the
>>>>>> fighting in it too.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I had it in front of me I might try it, but don't really seek playing
>>>>> games. To each their own.
>>>>
>>>> I decide if I want to try a game by watching it being played by others on
>>>> Youtube.
>>>
>>> Makes sense. I have teens and sometimes get pulled into theirs.
>>
>> I like games that continue for months.
>
> I do table top role playing games that do that. Heck, my home game has lasted
> about 6 years.

Sounds like what I like, but I prefer single player, with everything else computer controlled.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:15:53 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:07:41 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07nza3eamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:54:37 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:31:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07igeez1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07eoxpk7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:12:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:06:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.07cu9qpjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, aren't *YOU* one of God's "special" little parasites?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One thing seems for sure at this point: only the fucking brain-dead idiots,
>>>>>>>>> the poorest, the most ill-informed, and the most vulnerable among us will
>>>>>>>>> die from COVID-19 while the virus perpetuates itself because insolent
>>>>>>>>> assholes refuse to protect all of mankind by submitting to the simpliest of
>>>>>>>>> procedures and protocols...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reminds me of that poem, 'If', by Rudyard Kipling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're confused, first you say only the ill-informed will die, then you say
>>>>>>>> we're endangering others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You increase your risk of infection and the risk you push onto others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is like someone in a boat, saying they are only digging a hole in their own
>>>>>>> cabin so others should not try to control them. Or someone saying that the
>>>>>>> government should not tell them to drive on a specific side of the road.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Selfish and short sighted and not seeing the overall impact they have... or
>>>>>>> not caring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to have now forgotten what you wrote earlier:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "only the fucking brain-dead idiots, the poorest, the most ill-informed, and
>>>>>> the most vulnerable among us will die from COVID-19"
>>>>>
>>>>> What message ID?
>>>>
>>>> It's quoted above.
>>>
>>> I did not write that.
>>
>> Oh, someone oversnipped the quotations.
>
> It happens. No harm done.

It made me very angry. When I get angry I take revenge. Just ask my neighbour, oh she doesn't know I did that.

On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:46:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07tia9lpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:15:40 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07nzbza8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Never played so do not get the reference.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Part of the game is building settlements. If you've collected anything which
>>>>>>>>> contains the things you need, eg. aluminium, gears, plastic, then you just
>>>>>>>>> insert those into the "workshop" and ask it to produce the thing you want.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Got it. Have seen similar... though can't even remember where.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are many building type games, but this one is good because of the
>>>>>>> fighting in it too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I had it in front of me I might try it, but don't really seek playing
>>>>>> games. To each their own.
>>>>>
>>>>> I decide if I want to try a game by watching it being played by others on
>>>>> Youtube.
>>>>
>>>> Makes sense. I have teens and sometimes get pulled into theirs.
>>>
>>> I like games that continue for months.
>>
>> I do table top role playing games that do that. Heck, my home game has lasted
>> about 6 years.
>
> Sounds like what I like, but I prefer single player, with everything else
> computer controlled.

With tabletop games it is far more about story and socializing with friends
(or family). A rather different breed of game.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:19:29 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:06:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07ny9jmcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is always more to learn, but we now know a lot about COVID and the
>>>>>>> vaccines -- for example, we know they are very safe and effective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At stopping something that wasn't very dangerous anyway. And they're not that
>>>>>> effective actually. 80% at best, something like 25% with a new variant. Like
>>>>>> using last year's virus checker.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where are you getting your information?
>>>>
>>>> The news.
>>>
>>> Have specific articles or clips? How about research papers?
>>
>> No Mr Robot, I do not have precise info for you. Most people don't remember
>> where they saw things.
>
> So you cannot back your claims.

No normal person stores the source along with each memory.

> That was pretty much what I was asking. Your
> claims are very much contrary to the evidence... the pandemic is killing many,
> harming many more. And we have very safe and effective vaccines to deal with
> it.

In one and a third years, it's killed 4.3 million people. In that same time, the world population has increased by 65 million. So it's negligible.

>>>>> And do you stop at red lights? If so, why?
>>>>
>>>> Only if it's busy and I can't b bothered looking at multiple streams of cars.
>>>> If I can tell that I can get to where I want to go without hitting anything,
>>>> and there are no cops about, I go.
>>>
>>> Why stop when there are cars? They can stop for you just as easily.
>>
>> Because a lot of drivers are arrogant or useless.
>
> As are the folks who refuse to wear masks.

Are you not capable of sticking to one argument?

>>>>>>>> Best to ignore "scientists" who all disagree with each other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disagreement is a part of science... but then so is a growing consensus as we
>>>>>>> learn more.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until we've finished learning, we shouldn't believe any theories on the way.
>>>>>
>>>>> We never finish learning.
>>>>
>>>> We finish certain things. Some of the laws of physics we're pretty certain on.
>>>
>>> You mean the "laws" that Einstein proved were wrong? :)
>>
>> I said some and pretty. Even less so with biology.
>
> We were about as certain as we could be with Newton's laws of physics... and
> they are still very, very useful. They just happen to also not be completely
> accurate.
>
> But that is how it works with science... as we learn more we make better
> models.

So you shouldn't believe the earlier ones. With physics it's not so bad, we usually get it almost right. But with biology we don't have a clue - just look at how many times they've told us to ignore previous "evidence" and eat yet another different kind of fat.

>>>>>> Look at the palava over which kind of fat is good for you.... if you had
>>>>>> listened to scientists a decade ago, you would be making yourself worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've heard a doctor (a surgeon) say the masks we wear are of no use
>>>>>>>> whatsoever. Unless we all used surgical masks, we might aswell not bother.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That doctor is saying things against the evidence. I say go with the evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A surgeon knows how good masks are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I wonder why they have surgical masks and don't just use the cheap Ebay
>>>>>> ones we all use?
>>>>>
>>>>> Has someone suggested all masks are equal?
>>>>
>>>> Well the government isn't telling us to use certain ones.
>>>
>>> They make suggestions... but you did not answer the question.
>>
>> I've never heard a suggestion.
>
> The CDC goes into quite some detail:
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html

No point if it's not given to the general public. Loads of people are just sticking a piece of scrap cotton over their mouth ffs.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:27:00 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:20:48 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07puky0lmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:43:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/08/2021 19:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news
>>>>>>>>>>> media are
>>>>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from
>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING
>>>>>>>>>>> OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill
>>>>>>>>>>> the virus".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus
>>>>>>>>>>> attaching
>>>>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which
>>>>>>>>>>> are so
>>>>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well
>>>>>>>>>>> publicized
>>>>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an
>>>>>>>>>>> infected
>>>>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks
>>>>>>>>>>> BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are
>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be
>>>>>>>>>>> "infected"
>>>>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT
>>>>>>>>>>> you still
>>>>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN
>>>>>>>>>>> INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies
>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you
>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more
>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Until you get a variant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>>>>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>>>>
>>>> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>>>
>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>>
>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we
>>>>> get an
>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>
>>>> Expensive and unnecessary.
>>>
>>> It's ridiculously cheap. Treating seriously sick people is very, very
>>> expensive. Preventing that with a two quid shot makes absolute sense
>>> even when you multiply it up by the whole population.
>>>
>>> For example, for a measles outbreak in Liverpool the cost of dealing
>>> with 2,458 cases cost 24x more than an additional 11,793 vaccines to
>>> achieve herd immunity in the area.
>>> =EF=BB=BFhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26944712/
>>>
>>> COVID treatment is far more expensive than for measles and the COVID vax
>>> is cheaper than the MMR, so the economics of mass vaccination are even
>>> more embarassingly obvious.
>>
>> Don't treat them then. Go back to school and learn what evolution is.
>
> Treating them saves lives and money.

No, leaving someone to die costs nothing.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:27:51 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:19:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07puitfnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 02:12:35 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 3:03:43 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se9q3u$t7o$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>>>>> burglary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>>>>>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.
>>>>
>>>> That's because he's not rational.
>>>
>>> Agreed. He tries to back his views by saying that they are just what he
>>> wants... what he calls "common sense".
>>
>> You'd know what common sense was if you had it.
>
> I understand you work to excuse your ignorance by saying it is just "common
> sense". You use it to shun evidence and reason.

As I said, you don't know what common sense is. You're not alone, most of the population have lost it. Most people just act like robots, that's why they need a government to hand them instructions, it's pathetic.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:34:23 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> On 2021-08-06 11:15 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>> follow the rules.
>>>
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>> winding road.
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>
>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared
>> of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere.
>> Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>
> Do you think you're a wimp if you don't want people to die needlessly?
>
> Interesting... ...no: just sad.

You're worrying about chances, not definites. It's fine to be scared if you fall out of a plane with no parachute, but not if there's a tiny tiny chance of catching something that probably won't kill you.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 21:53:08 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:34:17 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07pu7fnsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:44:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07kbimv2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not until it was close. And fires move VERY fast. So if my neighbor is insured
>>>>>>> they will fight the fire miles from me for him? He is them paying for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you had insurance with fire protection, you'd phone up and say "there's a
>>>>>> forest fire coming", or they'd already know. To protect themselves against
>>>>>> having to pay for the damage to your house, they would chip in to put the fire
>>>>>> out.
>>>>>
>>>>> The cost of the house would be FAR less than the cost of the work to put out
>>>>> the fire. Many times less.
>>>>
>>>> Not if the choices are putting out one fire or paying for 500 houses.
>>>
>>> You won't even wear a mask and you think people would pay voluntarily. Your
>>> claims are contradictory.
>>
>> Most people voluntarily have home insurance. Most people voluntarily wear
>> masks.
>
> People with mortgages do not have the option -- they must have insurance.

Should, not must, they don't check.

> Many others do get insurance, but it does not cover the things we talked about (say
> paying for taking care of the forest fires around me).

That's a risk they're willing to take. If most are willing to take it, those who don't want the risk have to pay a huge premium.

> And many people do
> voluntarily wear masks and take other common sense precautions, but others are
> suing over wearing them and are otherwise being foolish. It is part of why the
> US is seeing such a high resurgence of COVID. People simply will not do even
> the basics to not harm others without their being laws and regulations to
> prevent that.

We're not harming others, we're just not going out of our way to protect them. Only in France is it required by law to be a good samaritan if you see an accident etc.

> In fact, that is at best what laws and regulations are for: to reduce the
> chance of people harming each other and to have legal consequences when that
> does happen.

Why do you believe this is a good thing?

>>>>>>>> They are paid to make sure your home stays intact. They don't want to have to
>>>>>>>> pay out for everything in your home, so they put the fire out. If the forest
>>>>>>>> fire was threatening 500 homes, that's 500 policies that would pay for the
>>>>>>>> fire to be put out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the other 499 are paying for me why should I pay? Let their insurance go
>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could if you wanted. But if a lot of people did that, there wouldn't be
>>>>>> enough money to put the fire out and it would be cheaper to just pay for the
>>>>>> lost houses. So, up to you, freedom of choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless many people get the insurance the value goes down. More damage and loss
>>>>> and suffering.
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer to have less suffering and better services.
>>>>
>>>> Then choose to pay for them.
>>>
>>> As with masks that does not work. You need to have it be done pretty much
>>> universally.
>>
>> No, just a large number. 50% oughta do it.
>
> Certainly better than 0%.
>
>> Now, think about this:
>>
>> Situation 1: One house near a forest.
>> Situation 2: 500 houses near another forest.
>>
>> Logically, the 500 should pay a lot less towards keeping the forest not on
>> fire. But your left wing bullshit makes them pay the same.
>
> People in cities pay more taxes. Your claim is simply incorrect.

They should pay less taxes! They're sharing things with others!

>>>>>>> Hell, we see that with masks ... why should I wear a mask when others will.
>>>>>>> YOU say that, don't you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. Because masks aren't one way. That would be black magic.
>>>>>
>>>>> See: too many people deny the evidence and think only of themselves for the
>>>>> libertarian ideas to possibly work.
>>>>
>>>> I use common sense.
>>>
>>> You use that term to reject evidence. That is the opposite of common sense to
>>> me.
>>
>> It is not evidence if given to me by someone else and is also illogical.
>>
>>>> Explain to me how a mask knows which way the virus is going.
>>>
>>> Who said it did? You made that assumption based on a LACK of common sense.
>>
>> Because you seem to think it reacts differently depending if the virus is
>> going into or out of your mouth.
>
> What "seems" to you has precisely nothing to do with what I said or believe.

Then state your belief clearly.

>>>> And why don't you just wear it inside out?
>>>
>>> Another example of your lack of common sense.
>>
>> Well since you think they're one way, turning it round must reverse it.
>
> Again, this is a fine example of you failing to understand and you not having
> common sense.

Common sense states cotton can't tell which way the virus is travelling.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 21:53:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:29:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07puzgm6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>
>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>
>>> Then we are all weak.
>>
>> The variance is great, some are much stronger/weaker than others. Allow the
>> weak to go away, and all is well.
>
> You make a lot of very bad assumptions.

What assumption? We know some people don't even know they've had it, and some people die. Best to remove the dying ones. Then next time around we'll all be the strong ones.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 22:33:56 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>> follow the rules.
>>>
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>> winding road.
>>>
>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>
>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps. Remember
>> when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared of stuff?
>> Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere. Everyone thinks
>> of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>
> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental deaths.
>
> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or wrong.

They're a very good judge, and they should always be your decision to make. Forcing someone to protect themselves is just wrong. We must always be able to choose to risk ourselves.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 01:32:59 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 6, 2021 at 5:24:18 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
> <sekjri$t7a$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 2021-08-06 5:17 p.m., knuttle wrote:
>>> On 8/6/2021 6:07 PM, Ely wrote:
>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:JeiPI.898$un2.538@fx04.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>>>> <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>>>>> wanting to follow the rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any
>>>>>>>> direction, standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait
>>>>>>>> for the traffic light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions
>>>>>>>> on a winding road.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your
>>>>>>>> self from Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a
>>>>>>>> foot ball field and no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>>>>> scared of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy
>>>>>>> everywhere. Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead
>>>>>>> of using gut feeling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental
>>>>>> deaths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.
>>>>
>>>> Me too.
>>>> This is pretty good evidence that you like breaking the law, snit.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>>>>
>>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>>
>>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>>> A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
>>> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
>>> actions.
>>
>> Ummmm.... ...no.
>>
>> Common sense is not just what one personally decides.
>
> What is common sense is not something different people will agree on... where
> evidence you can at least point to sources and backing.

Everyone knows what common sense is. Except OCD people like yourself. You have to have numbers, facts, evidence, rules, it's pathetic. You're like a computer.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 10:13:17 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 8/6/2021 6:07 PM, Ely wrote:
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:JeiPI.898$un2.538@fx04.iad:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>>> <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>>>> wanting to follow the rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any
>>>>>>> direction, standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait
>>>>>>> for the traffic light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions
>>>>>>> on a winding road.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your
>>>>>>> self from Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a
>>>>>>> foot ball field and no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>>>> scared of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy
>>>>>> everywhere. Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead
>>>>>> of using gut feeling.
>>>>>
>>>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental
>>>>> deaths.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or
>>>>> wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>>
>>> This is pretty good evidence that you like breaking the law, snit.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>>>
>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>
>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>
> It's an excuse to justify your personal prejudice.

No, it's something that only a moron would not believe, for example, "there is no god because we have never seen evidence of him" is common sense. Religion is a lack of common sense.

On 2021-08-08 10:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:34:23 +0100, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-06 11:15 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is:  With no cars visible in any direction,
>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>> winding road.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>
>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared
>>> of stuff?  Well they've taken over.  Health and softy everywhere.
>>> Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>>
>> Do you think you're a wimp if you don't want people to die needlessly?
>>
>> Interesting... ...no: just sad.
>
> You're worrying about chances, not definites.  It's fine to be scared if
> you fall out of a plane with no parachute, but not if there's a tiny
> tiny chance of catching something that probably won't kill you.

I'm not scared by it. I'm taking appropriate steps to reduce the chance
that I or anyone I encounter gets ill and potentially dies.

You DO understand that a LOT of people have died, right?

On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:02:40 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ti2qqxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>>>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>>>
>>>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>>>> A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
>>>> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
>>>> actions.
>>>
>>> Ummmm.... ...no.
>>>
>>> Common sense is not just what one personally decides.
>>
>> What is common sense is not something different people will agree on... where
>> evidence you can at least point to sources and backing.
>
> Everyone knows what common sense is.

But they do not agree what it is... making it useless in a debate:

Person 1: It is common sense to do A.
Person 2: It is common sense to do B.

Then what? I say go with evidence.

> Except OCD people like yourself. You have to have numbers, facts, evidence,
> rules, it's pathetic. You're like a computer.

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On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:01:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ti0ojdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 22:33:56 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>> winding road.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>
>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps. Remember
>>> when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared of stuff?
>>> Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere. Everyone thinks
>>> of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>>
>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental deaths.
>>
>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or wrong.
>
> They're a very good judge, and they should always be your decision to make.
> Forcing someone to protect themselves is just wrong. We must always be able to
> choose to risk ourselves.

With road rules and mask mandates it is about protecting OTHERS. Many on the
right think they have the right to harm others.

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On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:00:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07tiy21umvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 21:53:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:29:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07puzgm6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>>
>>>> Then we are all weak.
>>>
>>> The variance is great, some are much stronger/weaker than others. Allow the
>>> weak to go away, and all is well.
>>
>> You make a lot of very bad assumptions.
>
> What assumption?

Your whole idea of weakest, as one example. It is not a single score like in a
video game.

> We know some people don't even know they've had it, and some people die. Best
> to remove the dying ones. Then next time around we'll all be the strong ones.

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