On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:51:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:34:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07igiycjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:06:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:40:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07eopkv8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 19:23:06 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 29, 2021 at 10:47:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07azpht8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:16:18 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 11:57:30 AM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
>>>>>>> <uGYLI.42794$0Z7.19653@fx39.iad>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-27 1:30 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:59:34 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:01:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.063lovo2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who
>>>>>>>>>>>> chose
>>>>>>>>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them.
>>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nor is anyone asking to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope they start demanding proof of vaccination once it gets full FDA
>>>>>>>>>> approval (which is likely coming soon).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By which time it'll have been long gone anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm _shocked_ that Marxist Snit is demanding tyranny.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did no such thing, nor am I a Marxist. But, hey, you got my online handle
>>>>>>> right. Good for you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tyranny is "government by a ruler or small group of people who have unlimited
>>>>>> power over the people" - which is exactly what "demanding proof of
>>>>>> vaccination" is.
>>>>>
>>>>> How? Every society has safety standards. Do you not want your wait staff to
>>>>> have washed their hands after they use the restroom? Is that "tyranny" in your
>>>>> mind?
>>>>
>>>> Yes it's tyranny. You should decide your own safety.
>>>
>>> Back to no more stopping at red lights nor having the government tell me which
>>> side of the road to drive on.
>>>
>>>> Either cook your own food or go somewhere you know to be clean.
>>>
>>> How do you know?
>>
>> Reviews.
>
> I find most for restaurants to not fit my tastes. I am in meat-n-potatoes
> country, and I am more adventurous than that.

I will not use anything but fast food restaurants. I detest waiting half an hour for food! Why can't they be already cooking a couple of each? Sure, some might get wasted that isn't ordered, but they could have a faster throughput of customers.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:51:10 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:34:54 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07igkguhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
>>>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>>>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
>>>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the virus".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus attaching
>>>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
>>>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
>>>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
>>>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>>>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
>>>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
>>>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies because it
>>>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
>>>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more
>>>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Until you get a variant.
>>>>
>>>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>>>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>>>
>>> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>
>> As you do with mask wearing. Why do you do that?
>
> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill. I won't do
> something to prevent something so trivial. Just as I don't build a
> nuclear fallout shelter.

Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse to do
the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.

>
>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>
>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>
>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>
>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we get an
>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>
>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're compromising
>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>
>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>
> It would get stronger if it was required to be used. At this rate we
> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>

Incorrect.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:50:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07igohdqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:42 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07gk7ne7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again) right now.
>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and you think
>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>>
>>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is when it reaches
>>>>> him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going slower.
>>>>> Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>>
>>>> Your claims are contrary to the evidence on mask wearing.
>>>
>>> My claim is basic common sense, it's easier to stop a slow moving thing than a
>>> fast moving thing.
>>
>> What you call "common sense" is your guess, and your guess is incorrect. You
>> are not looking at evidence on spread but your own guesses as to what leads to
>> the spread.
>
> I don't guess that things fall down instead of up. I don't guess that
> faster moving air cools something quicker. I go by logic and experience.
>

At least on this you reject evidence and make straw men.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:49:26 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:46 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07igo8crmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:49:03 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:17:42 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07gk3sqtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have very sensitive hearing... but have a hard time "blocking out"
>>>>>>>>>> background noise. Comes with the dysautonomia I have.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then you should be like me. If you stop an annoying noise, you just end up
>>>>>>>>> hearing the next loudest one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Distance also plays some role in it. I do not mind noises as much if they are
>>>>>>>> not as close.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Annoyance = volume/distance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To some extent, yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> To what extent isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> To the extent that it is, but in reverse.
>>>
>>> What? Louder volume is more annoying. More distance is less annoying.
>>
>> I was just being silly... there are other factors than distance. Tone,
>> repetition, etc. Try listening to Baby Shark softly.
>
> There is nothing more annoying than my parrot imitating a microwave bleep
> every 2 seconds for half an hour.
>

I would imagine that’s up there!

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:51:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:34:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07igiycjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:06:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:40:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07eopkv8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 19:23:06 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 29, 2021 at 10:47:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07azpht8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 20:16:18 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 11:57:30 AM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
>>>>>>>> <uGYLI.42794$0Z7.19653@fx39.iad>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-27 1:30 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:59:34 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:01:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.063lovo2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chose
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nor is anyone asking to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I hope they start demanding proof of vaccination once it gets full FDA
>>>>>>>>>>> approval (which is likely coming soon).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By which time it'll have been long gone anyway.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm _shocked_ that Marxist Snit is demanding tyranny.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I did no such thing, nor am I a Marxist. But, hey, you got my online handle
>>>>>>>> right. Good for you!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Tyranny is "government by a ruler or small group of people who have unlimited
>>>>>>> power over the people" - which is exactly what "demanding proof of
>>>>>>> vaccination" is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How? Every society has safety standards. Do you not want your wait staff to
>>>>>> have washed their hands after they use the restroom? Is that "tyranny" in your
>>>>>> mind?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes it's tyranny. You should decide your own safety.
>>>>
>>>> Back to no more stopping at red lights nor having the government tell me which
>>>> side of the road to drive on.
>>>>
>>>>> Either cook your own food or go somewhere you know to be clean.
>>>>
>>>> How do you know?
>>>
>>> Reviews.
>>
>> I find most for restaurants to not fit my tastes. I am in meat-n-potatoes
>> country, and I am more adventurous than that.
>
> I will not use anything but fast food restaurants. I detest waiting half
> an hour for food! Why can't they be already cooking a couple of each?

They don’t know what is going to be ordered.

> Sure, some might get wasted that isn't ordered, but they could have a
> faster throughput of customers.

Maybe. Or doing cleanup from wasted food. Or the stove is busy with someone
making a dish nobody ordered.

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On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:53:46 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:33:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07ighpk2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:05:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:42:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07eotxeemvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 19:25:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 29, 2021 at 10:44:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07azkvg7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
>>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
>>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the virus".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus attaching
>>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
>>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
>>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
>>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
>>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
>>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies because it
>>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
>>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more
>>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is always more to learn, but we now know a lot about COVID and the
>>>>> vaccines -- for example, we know they are very safe and effective.
>>>>
>>>> At stopping something that wasn't very dangerous anyway. And they're not that
>>>> effective actually. 80% at best, something like 25% with a new variant. Like
>>>> using last year's virus checker.
>>>
>>> Where are you getting your information?
>>
>> The news.
>
> Have specific articles or clips? How about research papers?

No Mr Robot, I do not have precise info for you. Most people don't remember where they saw things.

>>> And do you stop at red lights? If so, why?
>>
>> Only if it's busy and I can't b bothered looking at multiple streams of cars.
>> If I can tell that I can get to where I want to go without hitting anything,
>> and there are no cops about, I go.
>
> Why stop when there are cars? They can stop for you just as easily.

Because a lot of drivers are arrogant or useless.

>>>>>> Best to ignore "scientists" who all disagree with each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> Disagreement is a part of science... but then so is a growing consensus as we
>>>>> learn more.
>>>>
>>>> Until we've finished learning, we shouldn't believe any theories on the way.
>>>
>>> We never finish learning.
>>
>> We finish certain things. Some of the laws of physics we're pretty certain on.
>
> You mean the "laws" that Einstein proved were wrong? :)

I said some and pretty. Even less so with biology.

>>>> Look at the palava over which kind of fat is good for you.... if you had
>>>> listened to scientists a decade ago, you would be making yourself worse.
>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard a doctor (a surgeon) say the masks we wear are of no use
>>>>>> whatsoever. Unless we all used surgical masks, we might aswell not bother.
>>>>>
>>>>> That doctor is saying things against the evidence. I say go with the evidence.
>>>>
>>>> A surgeon knows how good masks are.
>>>>
>>>> And I wonder why they have surgical masks and don't just use the cheap Ebay
>>>> ones we all use?
>>>
>>> Has someone suggested all masks are equal?
>>
>> Well the government isn't telling us to use certain ones.
>
> They make suggestions... but you did not answer the question.

I've never heard a suggestion.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:54:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07ige5vfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:44:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07eowepimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:11:27 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:07:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvakjtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:53:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:40:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.0684pvsxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:42:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:33:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.0669qox3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck finding an Apple M1 CPU and motherboard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Even with Intel Macs it is not as easy as many seem to think. And if you did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> do it there was no reason to think the machine would be supported,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no need to think: it is utterly unsupported.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I meant not even being able to run the never version of macOS. My wording was
>>>>>>>>>>> not clear though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you build it with parts that Apple use, the OS thinks it's an Apple and
>>>>>>>>>> will behave exactly the same way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not quite as easy as you try to make it sound:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/How-reliable-is-a-64-bit-Hackintosh-as-a-main-computer
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But as a hobby project it sounds like fun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know it's easy because I've done a few of them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many macOS versions did you use on it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've explained this already. If it fools one, it'll fool them all.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how many did you use?
>>>>
>>>> One. Which is irrelevant.
>>>
>>> So it MIGHT have worked with others but that was not tested.
>>
>> I see no reason it would stop working with future versions.
>
> Which does not mean it would (or would not).

No reason it's more likely to stop working than a genuine Mac. Same hardware.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:54:37 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:31:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07igeez1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07eoxpk7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:12:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:06:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cu9qpjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, aren't *YOU* one of God's "special" little parasites?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One thing seems for sure at this point: only the fucking brain-dead idiots,
>>>>>>> the poorest, the most ill-informed, and the most vulnerable among us will
>>>>>>> die from COVID-19 while the virus perpetuates itself because insolent
>>>>>>> assholes refuse to protect all of mankind by submitting to the simpliest of
>>>>>>> procedures and protocols...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reminds me of that poem, 'If', by Rudyard Kipling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're confused, first you say only the ill-informed will die, then you say
>>>>>> we're endangering others.
>>>>>
>>>>> You increase your risk of infection and the risk you push onto others.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is like someone in a boat, saying they are only digging a hole in their own
>>>>> cabin so others should not try to control them. Or someone saying that the
>>>>> government should not tell them to drive on a specific side of the road.
>>>>>
>>>>> Selfish and short sighted and not seeing the overall impact they have... or
>>>>> not caring.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to have now forgotten what you wrote earlier:
>>>>
>>>> "only the fucking brain-dead idiots, the poorest, the most ill-informed, and
>>>> the most vulnerable among us will die from COVID-19"
>>>
>>> What message ID?
>>
>> It's quoted above.
>
> I did not write that.

Oh, someone oversnipped the quotations.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:55:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:30:58 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07igdwnkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:47:09 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07eo0vaomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:19:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:15:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvnzs7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:02:53 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:30:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06838qlumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:13:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:44:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.0644f1rmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:56:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:08:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.063l0hysmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:50:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <op.061pm5avmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a fun game... and you can STILL play it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.retrogames.cz/play_493-DOS.php?language=EN
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not understand the desire to play outdated quality stuff. This is what I
>>>>>>>>>>>> play: https://youtu.be/IbnW213nRO8
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am not much of a gamer... unless you count chess, but no real computer power
>>>>>>>>>>> needed for that. Even then I play about 1 game a day on average.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fallout 4 is better than real life. In fact I regularly do something in real
>>>>>>>>>> life and think Fallout 4 would have made it easier to do that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Glad you enjoy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being able to insert some old tin cans and toothbrushes into a workshop and
>>>>>>>> having it create a fence is cool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Never played so do not get the reference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Part of the game is building settlements. If you've collected anything which
>>>>>> contains the things you need, eg. aluminium, gears, plastic, then you just
>>>>>> insert those into the "workshop" and ask it to produce the thing you want.
>>>>>
>>>>> Got it. Have seen similar... though can't even remember where.
>>>>
>>>> There are many building type games, but this one is good because of the
>>>> fighting in it too.
>>>
>>> If I had it in front of me I might try it, but don't really seek playing
>>> games. To each their own.
>>
>> I decide if I want to try a game by watching it being played by others on
>> Youtube.
>
> Makes sense. I have teens and sometimes get pulled into theirs.

I like games that continue for months.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:57:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:29:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07igbm03mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:00:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:50:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07eo6vjymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:22:12 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:13:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvk1c4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:01:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:33:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.0684dkasmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:16:42 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.06437xjnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>>>>>>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
>>>>>>>>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>>>>>>>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Agreed on that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They should be requiring vaccinations for more things. End the damned
>>>>>>>>> pandemic.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Forcing anyone to do anything is always wrong.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's just a bad flu! Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not a flu, nor is it very similar to one other than how it spreads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It makes you feel like anything form "a bad cold" to "a horrid flu" from what
>>>>>> people have said.
>>>>>
>>>>> And it leaves 1/3 of those with it with lasting damage.
>>>>
>>>> I've not seen any evidence of this theory.
>>>
>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/monumental-acknowledgment-cdc-reports-long-term-covid-19-patients-n1234814
>>>
>>> Plenty more I can show... and we can go back to the original studies.
>>
>> Coronavirus hasn't been here long term yet. Those are medium term problems.
>
> Just like the pandemic of 100 years ago was. Sure. But does not mean we should
> not work to manage things now.

I'm not going to worry about such a small thing that's killing us vastly slower than the population growth.

>>>>> And kills far more.
>>>>> How many do you personally know who have died from it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know anyone who died, yet I know many weak people who got through it.
>>>
>>> You are lucky. I know several who have died.
>>
>> You must hang around with weaker people.
>
> Or just know more people. Or just fit the common stats more.

How many people do you know who have not died (including those who didn't even get it or know they had it)?

>>> One of the things I find interesting with the conservative worldview is how
>>> things often do not matter to those on the right until it has a more direct
>>> impact on them. We are seeing this, some, with vaccinations. Fewer people are
>>> spreading misinformation and more people are opting to be vaccinated.
>>
>> We believe direct impacts because the government and media lie. "First hand
>> experience" is the only thing you should ever believe.
>
> Hence why libertarianism cannot work -- you have impacts on others you refuse
> to admit to acknowledge. Or even see.

I refuse to spend my time helping others if I don't want to. Charity must always be optional.

>>>>>>> But the fact people will not even do very basic things to protect each other
>>>>>>> from this pandemic is a great refutation of libertarianism. It simply does not
>>>>>>> work in the real world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These things are unnecessary as the chances of you dying are minimal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Already reduced the life expectancy in the US by one year.
>>>>
>>>> That's a very small amount.
>>>
>>> Compared to?
>>
>> Your normal life expectancy.
>
> What about other things impacting it?

Irrelevant.

>>>>> The chances of
>>>>> dying going through a traffic light are very low -- so why should I be
>>>>> required to stop at red light?
>>>>
>>>> You shouldn't, I don't. Especially "left on red", which is legal in the USA
>>>> (although obviously yours is right).
>>>
>>> Why stop at red lights at all? Why should I be forced to drive on the right?
>>> It is arbitrary. You are not. What about my freedom? Can I not make the best
>>> choices for myself?
>>>
>>> That is what you sound like with the vaccine.
>>
>> I disobey any law I believe is wrong. Do you really stop at a red when the
>> whole junction is empty?
>>
>> Here's another way to go through a red safely - if the person in front goes
>> through on green, you can go through as it turns to red, and so can hundreds
>> behind you. The other direction won't just start driving into a continuous
>> line of traffic.
>
> Why wait at all? Others can stop for you as well as you can stop for them.
>
> Answer: you follow safety laws.

No, I follow common sense. If I can get to where I'm going without hitting something, I go. Doesn't matter what the lights say.

>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>>>>>>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>>>>>>>>> around than it already is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They are "tyrannical" with that, eh?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We don't think anything of it. Nobody here except madmen have a desire to own
>>>>>>>> a gun. People do not feel threatened and want to defend themselves. Mainly
>>>>>>>> because of the lack of criminals with guns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you want to control people and deny them their guns, eh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>
>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>
>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>
>> It would be so small you wouldn't care.
>
> Add up all these small things and it adds up.

At the moment we have thousands of things funded by the government. The Libertarians would have two. Minimal military for defending only, and police for serious crimes only.

>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>
>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>> burglary.
>>>
>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>
>> As long as you don't kill people with them.
>
> I thought you were against people having guns. OK.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 21:11:43 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid> wrote:

> On 02/08/2021 19:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:22 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:35 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gk8lcvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the early Apple IIe systems you had to pop a chip out and
>>>>>>>>> turn it around
>>>>>>>>> to go from supporting a modem to a printer... which was stupid.
>>>>>>>>> They later did
>>>>>>>>> fix that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To upgrade the RAM on my ZX Spectrum required a soldering iron!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try it on a new M1!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a soldering iron with the extra fine tip, will that do?
>>>>>
>>>>> One way to find out.
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever picked up the wrong end?
>>>
>>> Nope. And only rarely the right one.
>>
>> This is similar and hilarious:
>> https://youtu.be/-myu4I6kJIs
>
> Oh the IRONy :-D
>
> (In the comments section!)

More puns. Ugh.

On 8/5/2021 2:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> You mean the "laws" that Einstein proved were wrong? :)
>
> I said some and pretty.  Even less so with biology.
Einstein did not prove any laws wrong. He just provide a different way
of looking at the basic laws of physics

On 2021-08-05 12:27 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 8/5/2021 2:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> You mean the "laws" that Einstein proved were wrong? :)
>>
>> I said some and pretty.  Even less so with biology.
> Einstein did not prove any laws wrong. He just provide a different way
> of looking at the basic laws of physics

Until the special theory of relativity, it was essentially a law of
physics that time and distance didn't vary with speed.

On Aug 5, 2021 at 12:27:08 PM MST, "knuttle" wrote
<sehe2c$3jv$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 8/5/2021 2:06 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> You mean the "laws" that Einstein proved were wrong? :)
>>
>> I said some and pretty. Even less so with biology.
> Einstein did not prove any laws wrong. He just provide a different way
> of looking at the basic laws of physics

And he showed the old ways were not completely accurate.

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On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:12:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07nzi5ugmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 21:11:43 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 02/08/2021 19:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:22 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:35 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07gk8lcvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With the early Apple IIe systems you had to pop a chip out and
>>>>>>>>>> turn it around
>>>>>>>>>> to go from supporting a modem to a printer... which was stupid.
>>>>>>>>>> They later did
>>>>>>>>>> fix that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To upgrade the RAM on my ZX Spectrum required a soldering iron!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try it on a new M1!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a soldering iron with the extra fine tip, will that do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One way to find out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever picked up the wrong end?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. And only rarely the right one.
>>>
>>> This is similar and hilarious:
>>> https://youtu.be/-myu4I6kJIs
>>
>> Oh the IRONy :-D
>>
>> (In the comments section!)
>
> More puns. Ugh.

You can never have too many.

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On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:11:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07nzh6bamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:57:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:29:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07igbm03mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:00:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:50:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07eo6vjymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:22:12 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:13:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07cvk1c4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:01:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:33:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.0684dkasmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:16:42 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.06437xjnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
>>>>>>>>>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>>>>>>>>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed on that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They should be requiring vaccinations for more things. End the damned
>>>>>>>>>> pandemic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Forcing anyone to do anything is always wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's just a bad flu! Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not a flu, nor is it very similar to one other than how it spreads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It makes you feel like anything form "a bad cold" to "a horrid flu" from what
>>>>>>> people have said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it leaves 1/3 of those with it with lasting damage.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not seen any evidence of this theory.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/monumental-acknowledgment-cdc-reports-long-term-covid-19-patients-n1234814
>>>>
>>>> Plenty more I can show... and we can go back to the original studies.
>>>
>>> Coronavirus hasn't been here long term yet. Those are medium term problems.
>>
>> Just like the pandemic of 100 years ago was. Sure. But does not mean we should
>> not work to manage things now.
>
> I'm not going to worry about such a small thing that's killing us vastly
> slower than the population growth.
>
>>>>>> And kills far more.
>>>>>> How many do you personally know who have died from it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know anyone who died, yet I know many weak people who got through it.
>>>>
>>>> You are lucky. I know several who have died.
>>>
>>> You must hang around with weaker people.
>>
>> Or just know more people. Or just fit the common stats more.
>
> How many people do you know who have not died (including those who didn't even
> get it or know they had it)?
>
>>>> One of the things I find interesting with the conservative worldview is how
>>>> things often do not matter to those on the right until it has a more direct
>>>> impact on them. We are seeing this, some, with vaccinations. Fewer people are
>>>> spreading misinformation and more people are opting to be vaccinated.
>>>
>>> We believe direct impacts because the government and media lie. "First hand
>>> experience" is the only thing you should ever believe.
>>
>> Hence why libertarianism cannot work -- you have impacts on others you refuse
>> to admit to acknowledge. Or even see.
>
> I refuse to spend my time helping others if I don't want to. Charity must
> always be optional.
>
>>>>>>>> But the fact people will not even do very basic things to protect each other
>>>>>>>> from this pandemic is a great refutation of libertarianism. It simply does not
>>>>>>>> work in the real world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These things are unnecessary as the chances of you dying are minimal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Already reduced the life expectancy in the US by one year.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a very small amount.
>>>>
>>>> Compared to?
>>>
>>> Your normal life expectancy.
>>
>> What about other things impacting it?
>
> Irrelevant.
>
>>>>>> The chances of
>>>>>> dying going through a traffic light are very low -- so why should I be
>>>>>> required to stop at red light?
>>>>>
>>>>> You shouldn't, I don't. Especially "left on red", which is legal in the USA
>>>>> (although obviously yours is right).
>>>>
>>>> Why stop at red lights at all? Why should I be forced to drive on the right?
>>>> It is arbitrary. You are not. What about my freedom? Can I not make the best
>>>> choices for myself?
>>>>
>>>> That is what you sound like with the vaccine.
>>>
>>> I disobey any law I believe is wrong. Do you really stop at a red when the
>>> whole junction is empty?
>>>
>>> Here's another way to go through a red safely - if the person in front goes
>>> through on green, you can go through as it turns to red, and so can hundreds
>>> behind you. The other direction won't just start driving into a continuous
>>> line of traffic.
>>
>> Why wait at all? Others can stop for you as well as you can stop for them.
>>
>> Answer: you follow safety laws.
>
> No, I follow common sense. If I can get to where I'm going without hitting
> something, I go. Doesn't matter what the lights say.

Yet you stop at red lights. You drive on the proper side of the road. Stop
pretending basic safety measures are unreasonable. It is absurd. Stop denying
a horrid pandemic which is killing hundreds of thousands and leaving countless
more harmed for life. It is deeply immature and irrational... and the fact so
many people do that is why the pandemic causes so much harm. The very people
whining about wearing masks and having lockdowns are the ones making those
things more needed. I have precisely no sympathy for folks who think their
ignorance is a reason to cause others harm, or even risk harm.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>>>>>>>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>>>>>>>>>> around than it already is.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are "tyrannical" with that, eh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't think anything of it. Nobody here except madmen have a desire to own
>>>>>>>>> a gun. People do not feel threatened and want to defend themselves. Mainly
>>>>>>>>> because of the lack of criminals with guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you want to control people and deny them their guns, eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>
>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>
>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>
>>> It would be so small you wouldn't care.
>>
>> Add up all these small things and it adds up.
>
> At the moment we have thousands of things funded by the government. The
> Libertarians would have two. Minimal military for defending only, and police
> for serious crimes only.

On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07nzbza8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>>>>> Never played so do not get the reference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Part of the game is building settlements. If you've collected anything which
>>>>>>> contains the things you need, eg. aluminium, gears, plastic, then you just
>>>>>>> insert those into the "workshop" and ask it to produce the thing you want.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Got it. Have seen similar... though can't even remember where.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are many building type games, but this one is good because of the
>>>>> fighting in it too.
>>>>
>>>> If I had it in front of me I might try it, but don't really seek playing
>>>> games. To each their own.
>>>
>>> I decide if I want to try a game by watching it being played by others on
>>> Youtube.
>>
>> Makes sense. I have teens and sometimes get pulled into theirs.
>
> I like games that continue for months.

I do table top role playing games that do that. Heck, my home game has lasted
about 6 years.

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On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:07:41 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07nza3eamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:54:37 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:31:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07igeez1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07eoxpk7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:12:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:06:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07cu9qpjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, aren't *YOU* one of God's "special" little parasites?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One thing seems for sure at this point: only the fucking brain-dead idiots,
>>>>>>>> the poorest, the most ill-informed, and the most vulnerable among us will
>>>>>>>> die from COVID-19 while the virus perpetuates itself because insolent
>>>>>>>> assholes refuse to protect all of mankind by submitting to the simpliest of
>>>>>>>> procedures and protocols...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reminds me of that poem, 'If', by Rudyard Kipling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're confused, first you say only the ill-informed will die, then you say
>>>>>>> we're endangering others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You increase your risk of infection and the risk you push onto others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is like someone in a boat, saying they are only digging a hole in their own
>>>>>> cabin so others should not try to control them. Or someone saying that the
>>>>>> government should not tell them to drive on a specific side of the road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Selfish and short sighted and not seeing the overall impact they have... or
>>>>>> not caring.
>>>>>
>>>>> You seem to have now forgotten what you wrote earlier:
>>>>>
>>>>> "only the fucking brain-dead idiots, the poorest, the most ill-informed, and
>>>>> the most vulnerable among us will die from COVID-19"
>>>>
>>>> What message ID?
>>>
>>> It's quoted above.
>>
>> I did not write that.
>
> Oh, someone oversnipped the quotations.

It happens. No harm done.

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On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:06:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ny9jmcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is always more to learn, but we now know a lot about COVID and the
>>>>>> vaccines -- for example, we know they are very safe and effective.
>>>>>
>>>>> At stopping something that wasn't very dangerous anyway. And they're not that
>>>>> effective actually. 80% at best, something like 25% with a new variant. Like
>>>>> using last year's virus checker.
>>>>
>>>> Where are you getting your information?
>>>
>>> The news.
>>
>> Have specific articles or clips? How about research papers?
>
> No Mr Robot, I do not have precise info for you. Most people don't remember
> where they saw things.

So you cannot back your claims. That was pretty much what I was asking. Your
claims are very much contrary to the evidence... the pandemic is killing many,
harming many more. And we have very safe and effective vaccines to deal with
it.

>
>>>> And do you stop at red lights? If so, why?
>>>
>>> Only if it's busy and I can't b bothered looking at multiple streams of cars.
>>> If I can tell that I can get to where I want to go without hitting anything,
>>> and there are no cops about, I go.
>>
>> Why stop when there are cars? They can stop for you just as easily.
>
> Because a lot of drivers are arrogant or useless.

As are the folks who refuse to wear masks.

>
>>>>>>> Best to ignore "scientists" who all disagree with each other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Disagreement is a part of science... but then so is a growing consensus as we
>>>>>> learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Until we've finished learning, we shouldn't believe any theories on the way.
>>>>
>>>> We never finish learning.
>>>
>>> We finish certain things. Some of the laws of physics we're pretty certain on.
>>
>> You mean the "laws" that Einstein proved were wrong? :)
>
> I said some and pretty. Even less so with biology.

We were about as certain as we could be with Newton's laws of physics... and
they are still very, very useful. They just happen to also not be completely
accurate.

But that is how it works with science... as we learn more we make better
models.

>>>>> Look at the palava over which kind of fat is good for you.... if you had
>>>>> listened to scientists a decade ago, you would be making yourself worse.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've heard a doctor (a surgeon) say the masks we wear are of no use
>>>>>>> whatsoever. Unless we all used surgical masks, we might aswell not bother.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That doctor is saying things against the evidence. I say go with the evidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> A surgeon knows how good masks are.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I wonder why they have surgical masks and don't just use the cheap Ebay
>>>>> ones we all use?
>>>>
>>>> Has someone suggested all masks are equal?
>>>
>>> Well the government isn't telling us to use certain ones.
>>
>> They make suggestions... but you did not answer the question.
>
> I've never heard a suggestion.

The CDC goes into quite some detail:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html

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In article <OpZOI.1819$6h1.433@fx39.iad>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com
says...
>
> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:11:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07nzh6bamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
> > No, I follow common sense. If I can get to where I'm going
without hitting
> > something, I go. Doesn't matter what the lights say.
>
> Yet you stop at red lights. You drive on the proper side of the road. Stop
> pretending basic safety measures are unreasonable.

Commander Kinsey might do all that but you, snit Michael Glasser
certainly do not.

Guess who these citations belong to?

Hint: He lives in Prescott Arizona.

https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6

So why are you constantly being pulled over by the police, snit?

Considering the number of times you have been in traffic court and
learning to drive classes so you could keep your license, they have
a chair reserved just for you.

Why not just get insurance for your car like most people do?

You tried to grift the law and you lost.

You are a loser Michael Glasser snit of Prescott Arizona.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>
>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>> follow the rules.
>
>
> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
> light to allow you to cross the street.
>
> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
> winding road.
>
> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
> no one is in the stadium.

The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps. Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere. Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 22:49:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
>>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
>>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the virus".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus attaching
>>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
>>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
>>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
>>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
>>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
>>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies because it
>>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
>>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more
>>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>>
>>>> Until you get a variant.
>>>
>>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>>
>> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>
> 129,743 deaths says otherwise.
>
> Between march and june last year over a fifth of all deaths had COVID as
> the underlying cause.
> https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020#how-many-people-have-died-from-covid-19
>
> Devaluing the harm and distress caused by the virus for your own
> self-justification is pathetic.

129,743 out of 68,249,710 is 0.19%, nothing to be sneezed at. And remember, a lot of those 68,249,710 have had it and recovered, or not even realised they've had it, so they're now immune.

>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>
>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>
>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>
>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we get an
>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>
>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system,
>
> It's not 100% effective, not even close.

It won't be if we keep doing it's job for it.

>> which you're compromising by using a vaccine.
>
> False.
>
>> How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>
> That's how the immune system works.

If I did your homework for you, you wouldn't learn what you were studying.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 02:12:35 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 3:03:43 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se9q3u$t7o$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>>> burglary.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>>
>>>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>>>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>>>
>>> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.
>>
>> That's because he's not rational.
>
> Agreed. He tries to back his views by saying that they are just what he
> wants... what he calls "common sense".

You'd know what common sense was if you had it.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:43:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 02/08/2021 19:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit
>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about
>>>>>>>>>>> someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news
>>>>>>>>> media are
>>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from
>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING
>>>>>>>>> OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill
>>>>>>>>> the virus".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus
>>>>>>>>> attaching
>>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which
>>>>>>>>> are so
>>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well
>>>>>>>>> publicized
>>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an
>>>>>>>>> infected
>>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks
>>>>>>>>> BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are
>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be
>>>>>>>>> "infected"
>>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT
>>>>>>>>> you still
>>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN
>>>>>>>>> INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies
>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more
>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>>
>>>> Until you get a variant.
>>>
>>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>>
>> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>
>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>
>>>
>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>
>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>
>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we
>>> get an
>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>
>> Expensive and unnecessary.
>
> It's ridiculously cheap. Treating seriously sick people is very, very
> expensive. Preventing that with a two quid shot makes absolute sense
> even when you multiply it up by the whole population.
>
> For example, for a measles outbreak in Liverpool the cost of dealing
> with 2,458 cases cost 24x more than an additional 11,793 vaccines to
> achieve herd immunity in the area.
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26944712/
>
> COVID treatment is far more expensive than for measles and the COVID vax
> is cheaper than the MMR, so the economics of mass vaccination are even
> more embarassingly obvious.

Don't treat them then. Go back to school and learn what evolution is.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 19:48:01 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:34:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07ka7usimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:49:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:17:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gk3a0zmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not. If it's vertical, warm air from the bottom component is
>>>>>>>> rising past the next component so it cools not so good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think it works by having the hottest components at the top. Not sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tend to set up fans that way, so the cool air crosses the disks first,
>>>>>> ending with the GPU.
>>>>>
>>>>> You use convection to your advantage.
>>>>
>>>> No, it's all forced air, I just choose which things need to be kept cooler and
>>>> which generate more heat. My fans do switch off or run very slowly when it's
>>>> not thinking hard though, so there probably is convection, but I didn't design
>>>> it for that, I only concern myself with the higher temperatures, since minimum
>>>> speed fans are silent.
>>>
>>> On purpose or not you used convection to your advantage. Try pushing the air
>>> the other way and see how well it works. I suspect less so.
>>
>> I doubt there would be much difference due to convection. The main difference
>> would be I would be pushing hot air off the CPU and GPU onto the cooler disks.
>
> Would be interesting to see... though not enough where it is worth the effort.
> :)

I've tried all sorts of fan combinations. Blowing onto a very hot object is always better than sucking off it, so one fan on a CPU heatsink should blow across the heatsink, not pull the air off. Where a lot of heat is generated, it's best to get heat out of the case, instead of heating other components, or worse recirculating it back to the same component. A lot of graphics cards are stupid like this, they just blow into the case, when they could have a vent blowing out the back (which some do, although admittedly that's louder), compare these, the first puts all the heat outside the case, the second does not:

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/EejfUMcJjxmAHGBQ2rUU-u3EDVo=/0x36:678x417/1600x900/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/50219041/Quadro_P6000_678x452.0.jpg

https://www.zotac.com/download/files/news/desc/images/gtx1080ti_amp_extreme-09_quarter.jpg