On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:11:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07nzh6bamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:57:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:29:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07igbm03mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:00:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:50:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07eo6vjymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:22:12 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:13:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07cvk1c4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:01:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:33:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.0684dkasmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:16:42 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.06437xjnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
>>>>>>>>>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>>>>>>>>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed on that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They should be requiring vaccinations for more things. End the damned
>>>>>>>>>> pandemic.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Forcing anyone to do anything is always wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's just a bad flu! Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is not a flu, nor is it very similar to one other than how it spreads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It makes you feel like anything form "a bad cold" to "a horrid flu" from what
>>>>>>> people have said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it leaves 1/3 of those with it with lasting damage.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've not seen any evidence of this theory.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/monumental-acknowledgment-cdc-reports-long-term-covid-19-patients-n1234814
>>>>
>>>> Plenty more I can show... and we can go back to the original studies.
>>>
>>> Coronavirus hasn't been here long term yet. Those are medium term problems.
>>
>> Just like the pandemic of 100 years ago was. Sure. But does not mean we should
>> not work to manage things now.
>
> I'm not going to worry about such a small thing that's killing us vastly
> slower than the population growth.
>
>>>>>> And kills far more.
>>>>>> How many do you personally know who have died from it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know anyone who died, yet I know many weak people who got through it.
>>>>
>>>> You are lucky. I know several who have died.
>>>
>>> You must hang around with weaker people.
>>
>> Or just know more people. Or just fit the common stats more.
>
> How many people do you know who have not died (including those who didn't even
> get it or know they had it)?
>
>>>> One of the things I find interesting with the conservative worldview is how
>>>> things often do not matter to those on the right until it has a more direct
>>>> impact on them. We are seeing this, some, with vaccinations. Fewer people are
>>>> spreading misinformation and more people are opting to be vaccinated.
>>>
>>> We believe direct impacts because the government and media lie. "First hand
>>> experience" is the only thing you should ever believe.
>>
>> Hence why libertarianism cannot work -- you have impacts on others you refuse
>> to admit to acknowledge. Or even see.
>
> I refuse to spend my time helping others if I don't want to. Charity must
> always be optional.
>
>>>>>>>> But the fact people will not even do very basic things to protect each other
>>>>>>>> from this pandemic is a great refutation of libertarianism. It simply does not
>>>>>>>> work in the real world.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These things are unnecessary as the chances of you dying are minimal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Already reduced the life expectancy in the US by one year.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a very small amount.
>>>>
>>>> Compared to?
>>>
>>> Your normal life expectancy.
>>
>> What about other things impacting it?
>
> Irrelevant.
>
>>>>>> The chances of
>>>>>> dying going through a traffic light are very low -- so why should I be
>>>>>> required to stop at red light?
>>>>>
>>>>> You shouldn't, I don't. Especially "left on red", which is legal in the USA
>>>>> (although obviously yours is right).
>>>>
>>>> Why stop at red lights at all? Why should I be forced to drive on the right?
>>>> It is arbitrary. You are not. What about my freedom? Can I not make the best
>>>> choices for myself?
>>>>
>>>> That is what you sound like with the vaccine.
>>>
>>> I disobey any law I believe is wrong. Do you really stop at a red when the
>>> whole junction is empty?
>>>
>>> Here's another way to go through a red safely - if the person in front goes
>>> through on green, you can go through as it turns to red, and so can hundreds
>>> behind you. The other direction won't just start driving into a continuous
>>> line of traffic.
>>
>> Why wait at all? Others can stop for you as well as you can stop for them.
>>
>> Answer: you follow safety laws.
>
> No, I follow common sense. If I can get to where I'm going without hitting
> something, I go. Doesn't matter what the lights say.

Yet you stop at red lights. You drive on the proper side of the road. Stop
pretending basic safety measures are unreasonable. It is absurd. Stop denying
a horrid pandemic which is killing hundreds of thousands and leaving countless
more harmed for life. It is deeply immature and irrational... and the fact so
many people do that is why the pandemic causes so much harm. The very people
whining about wearing masks and having lockdowns are the ones making those
things more needed. I have precisely no sympathy for folks who think their
ignorance is a reason to cause others harm, or even risk harm.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>>>>>>>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>>>>>>>>>> around than it already is.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They are "tyrannical" with that, eh?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We don't think anything of it. Nobody here except madmen have a desire to own
>>>>>>>>> a gun. People do not feel threatened and want to defend themselves. Mainly
>>>>>>>>> because of the lack of criminals with guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you want to control people and deny them their guns, eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>
>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>
>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>
>>> It would be so small you wouldn't care.
>>
>> Add up all these small things and it adds up.
>
> At the moment we have thousands of things funded by the government. The
> Libertarians would have two. Minimal military for defending only, and police
> for serious crimes only.

So no rules of the road? No fire departments. No safety measures. A deeply
immature and unworkable system.

>
>>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>> burglary.
>>>>
>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>
>>> As long as you don't kill people with them.
>>
>> I thought you were against people having guns. OK.
>
> Since guns are designed for killing, I fail to see the point.

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