On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:

> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>
>> Yes. We are.
>>
>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>
>
> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>
> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>
> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with the
> virus!
>
> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the virus".
>
> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus attaching
> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>
> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
> any symptoms...
>
> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT STILL
> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies because it
> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
> otherwise relatively healthy...

Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.

> This is WHY wearing of masks IS NOT an issue of personal freedom... It is a
> matter of LOGICAL STRATEGY to defeat the virus' spreading - and mutating -
> until sufficient population are "vaccinated" to constructively defeat this
> incantation of this virus.

I will wear what I want to wear and nobody will tell me otherwise. Stop fussing over a bad flu that kills less than malaria, kidney disease, and cancer.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:12:08 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:46:18 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0644jgo5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:58:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:03:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.063lr600mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>> They are very clear it has no fan. There is no lie. But if you don't want one
>>>>>>> don't get one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might not technically be a lie, but it's still misrepresentation. Look at this
>>>>>> powerful OR quiet machine....
>>>>>
>>>>> To a large extent that is the choice you make. Another comparison I recently
>>>>> watched:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k
>>>>>
>>>>> The Air gets amazing reviews. And notice being "quiet" is one of the reasons
>>>>> listed (as is price, power, video rendering, instant wake on open, no power
>>>>> throttling on battery, excellent keyboard, excellent build, excellent monitor,
>>>>> etc.) Only thing noted it is not good for: gaming (which is no surprise).
>>>>>
>>>>> For the fan comments: https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k?t=522
>>>>>
>>>>> You might not notice the fan noise... until you use a system which has no such
>>>>> noise. I know for me I am bothered by fan noises. I appreciate the low sound
>>>>> of Apple products.
>>>>
>>>> With zero fan noise you're in danger of hearing traffic noises outside.
>>>
>>> Sure. Still nice to have a quiet computer.
>>
>> It doesn't matter how quiet it is, something will annoy me, like the cooling
>> fan on a Sky TV box, or a refridgerator in the next room. Your ears have
>> automatic level control. But the most annoying thing is a change in noise.
>
> Might not matter to you... does to me and to others.

I guess you have bad hearing.

On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:33:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669qox3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>> Good luck finding an Apple M1 CPU and motherboard.
>>>>
>>>> Even with Intel Macs it is not as easy as many seem to think. And if you did
>>>> do it there was no reason to think the machine would be supported,
>>>
>>> There's no need to think: it is utterly unsupported.
>>
>> I meant not even being able to run the never version of macOS. My wording was
>> not clear though.
>
> If you build it with parts that Apple use, the OS thinks it's an Apple and
> will behave exactly the same way.

Not quite as easy as you try to make it sound:

https://www.quora.com/How-reliable-is-a-64-bit-Hackintosh-as-a-main-computer

But as a hobby project it sounds like fun.

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On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:12:23 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:45:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0644hq2omvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at minimum speed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving faster than
>>>>>>>> convection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the fan is not
>>>>>>> running all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>>>>
>>>>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible often is.
>>>>
>>>> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.
>>>
>>> Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an advantage. As
>>> you note, though, there are tradeoffs.
>>
>> If it's coming through the same hole, convection does nothing at all when the
>> fan is running.
>
> How do you figure?

Because the speed of the air forced by even a slow fan is an order of magnitude faster than convection.

On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:32:03 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669npfjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:24:26 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 10:58:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.063ljs0rmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:52:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.061pvodtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>>>>>>>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>>>>>>>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>>>>>>>> so why would they bother?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>>>>>>>> was a mature product when launched.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
>>>>>> services you think are important.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.
>>>>
>>>> You don't use the fire department until you need it.
>>>
>>> You have home insurance. That would cover the fire department. But you could
>>> choose to risk it and have no insurance.
>>
>> Home insurance does not pay for the fire department, they pay for fire damage.
>> And they certainly do not pay to cover the 20+ fires burning within 20 miles
>> or so of me.
>
> They could if the government stopped doing so.

Who would pay?

Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again) right now. People
won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and you think they will
pay for things they are not forced to?

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669m5tjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 20:23:30 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:00:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.063lm0z8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>> Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
>>>>>> excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
>>>>>> like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
>>>>>> the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're using it for a calendar, why are you buying anything fancy at all?
>>>>> Get a 486.
>>>>
>>>> That's not the only thing the computer is used for.
>>>
>>> I cannot understand anyone using a computer and not needed colossal power.
>>
>> For me it is not about specs but what I can do with the system. For example,
>> there was a discussion I saw yesterday where people were talking about how
>> Usenapp (my Usenet client) does not have ROT13 built in. It used to but it was
>> removed. So I added it. I do have to paste after it runs, but no need to run
>> to a different system. Here:
>>
>> And the video on how I did that:
>>
>> https://youtu.be/s2r6tsdOfk8
>>
>> I have some services I should likely remove to make the menu shorter, but
>> still just real easy to make (OK, I looked up the command line tool to make
>> ROT13 that easy), and real easy to use. To me having that ability to add
>> things to apps or to otherwise streamflow workflows is more important than
>> specs.
>
> Doesn't it annoy you if you click something, wait a few seconds, then wonder
> if you misclicked or it's being slow? So you click again, then get two of
> something, which slows it down even more.

That does happen sometimes with the macOS services -- they are painfully slow
and do not give good feedback (though they have gotten better). If you look at
the toolbar there is a gear showing a script is running, though easy to miss.

Does not happen on the macOS Dock like it can on the Windows Taskbar. That is
one of the things I find maddening about Windows.

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:30:41 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669lf0emvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:59:34 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:01:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.063lovo2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>
>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who chose
>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them. It is
>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>
>>> Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.
>>
>> Nor is anyone asking to.
>>
>> I hope they start demanding proof of vaccination once it gets full FDA
>> approval (which is likely coming soon).
>
> By which time it'll have been long gone anyway.

Sadly a lot of people believe that fantasy.

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:30:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669kvbpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:48:03 +0100, LegionX
> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>
>> HHI <HHI@imaginary.friend.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> On 7/25/21 11:24 PM, LegionX wrote:> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> Wrote
>>> in message:> >> One would think... but Gremlin was posting saying there was
>>> an explosion but he had not heard from himself.<> >Gremlin didn't post
>>> anything. We did. We again invite you to> support your socking accusation
>>> snit. We supported ours when we> called you out for socking up as Sigmond.>
>>>>> Gremlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no matter what name he
>>> posts under.<> >On Gremlins *worst days* he can still mop the floor with you
>>> on> *any tech subject* with fuckin ease. Any of us can.> >Gremlin only
>>> posts under one handle
>>
>>> Shit. I forgot to mention Diesel.<> Snit. Diesel isn't a sock of Gremlins.
>>> It's an old handle he used
>> for the purposes of making things more difficult for the remailer
>> who revealed they had newbie level usenet search
>> skills.
>>
>> Would you like to try again girlyman?
>>
>>> You know what we mean you sock using asshole.<> We aren't mind readers. And
>>> even if one of us was - snits is far
>> too over self medicated on benzos and booze for us to read
>> his.
>
> Nobody fucking cares.

Gremlin has forgotten how to wrap. Odd.

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:29:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669jtaimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:24:41 +0100, LegionX
> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> One would think... but Gremlin was posting saying there was an explosion but
>>> he had not heard from himself.<> Gremlin didn't post anything. We did. We
>>> again invite you to
>> support your socking accusation snit. We supported ours when we
>> called you out for socking up as Sigmond.
>>
>>> Gremlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no matter what name he posts
>>> under.<> On Gremlins *worst days* he can still mop the floor
>
> Is that his job?

:)

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06695xu0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:12:23 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:45:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.0644hq2omvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at minimum speed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving faster than
>>>>>>>>> convection.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the fan is not
>>>>>>>> running all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible often is.
>>>>>
>>>>> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.
>>>>
>>>> Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an advantage. As
>>>> you note, though, there are tradeoffs.
>>>
>>> If it's coming through the same hole, convection does nothing at all when the
>>> fan is running.
>>
>> How do you figure?
>
> Because the speed of the air forced by even a slow fan is an order of
> magnitude faster than convection.

That would imply it does little, not nothing.

Would be interesting to see how much effect it really has. I suspect you get
much more with a vertical computer like an iMac than you do with a "flat"
computer like a laptop.

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.066946wpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:12:08 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:46:18 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.0644jgo5mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:58:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:03:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.063lr600mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are very clear it has no fan. There is no lie. But if you don't want one
>>>>>>>> don't get one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Might not technically be a lie, but it's still misrepresentation. Look at this
>>>>>>> powerful OR quiet machine....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To a large extent that is the choice you make. Another comparison I recently
>>>>>> watched:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Air gets amazing reviews. And notice being "quiet" is one of the reasons
>>>>>> listed (as is price, power, video rendering, instant wake on open, no power
>>>>>> throttling on battery, excellent keyboard, excellent build, excellent monitor,
>>>>>> etc.) Only thing noted it is not good for: gaming (which is no surprise).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the fan comments: https://youtu.be/_wFmj1nMd-k?t=522
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You might not notice the fan noise... until you use a system which has no such
>>>>>> noise. I know for me I am bothered by fan noises. I appreciate the low sound
>>>>>> of Apple products.
>>>>>
>>>>> With zero fan noise you're in danger of hearing traffic noises outside.
>>>>
>>>> Sure. Still nice to have a quiet computer.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter how quiet it is, something will annoy me, like the cooling
>>> fan on a Sky TV box, or a refridgerator in the next room. Your ears have
>>> automatic level control. But the most annoying thing is a change in noise.
>>
>> Might not matter to you... does to me and to others.
>
> I guess you have bad hearing.

I have very sensitive hearing... but have a hard time "blocking out"
background noise. Comes with the dysautonomia I have.

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>
>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>
>>> Yes. We are.
>>>
>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>
>>
>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>
>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>
>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with the
>> virus!
>>
>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the virus".
>>
>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus attaching
>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>
>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
>> any symptoms...
>>
>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT STILL
>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies because it
>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>
> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more
> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.

No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.

But this is a good piece of evidence that the libertarian fantasy people will
work to help their neighbor is false -- people refuse to do even basic things
like wear a mask or get a vaccine... simple, small, cheap things. Instead they
create fantasies to try to excuse not.

>
>> This is WHY wearing of masks IS NOT an issue of personal freedom... It is a
>> matter of LOGICAL STRATEGY to defeat the virus' spreading - and mutating -
>> until sufficient population are "vaccinated" to constructively defeat this
>> incantation of this virus.
>
> I will wear what I want to wear and nobody will tell me otherwise. Stop
> fussing over a bad flu that kills less than malaria, kidney disease, and
> cancer.

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:39:34 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669z8cfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:51:39 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-26 9:39 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 03:17:43 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-24 1:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:31:07 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>>>>>>> You?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
>>>>>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
>>>>>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I
>>>>>>> recall. I
>>>>>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the
>>>>>>> city has
>>>>>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>
>>> Agreed on that.
>>>
>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>> around than it already is.
>>>
>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>
>> Actual Brits, whose ancestors have been there for hundreds or thousands
>> of years are Christian, well-behaved and believe in manners. I imagine
>> that amongst them, guns are of no use. However, I wonder whether the New
>> Brits have resorted to other means to kill people now that guns are not
>> available...
>>
>> ... oh wait, what's this?
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow-b1Cus1fg> "Birmingham knife crime
>> overtakes London"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msTmT16-nRU> "London on track for
>> highest number of teenage killings in a decade"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7pIO0F9y0U> "Knife crime on the rise
>> in London"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJGyhuiW57M> "London's murder rate
>> worse than New York?"
>>
>> You can take the knife out of the killer's hands but you can't take the
>> killer out. Those wonderful, peaceful "New Brits" from Africa will
>> always find a way. I wonder if the Old Brits would have enjoyed having a
>> way of defending themselves against the adherents to the "religion of
>> peace?"
>
> Knives are not as dangerous as guns, you could stop me killing you with a
> knife.

The data are clear that where there are more guns there is more homicide and
suicide. It is another example of the libertarian fantasy of people being
rational actors is, shall we say, shot down.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.2001.tb05808.x/full
——
The evidence linking firearms in the home to risk for suicide is reviewed.
These data come from epidemiological, case-control, quasiexperimental, and
prospective studies. The convergent finding from this wide range of studies is
that there is a strong relationship between firearms in the home and risk for
suicide, most firmly established in the United States.
——

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506
——
The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are
important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer
protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk
of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.
——

https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=206421
——
Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence
indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the
United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies,
ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes,
cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men
and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
——

http://jonathanstray.com/papers/FirearmAvailabilityVsHomicideRates.pdf
——
We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there
are more homicides.
——

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447364
——
After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in
states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm
homicide.
——

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17070975
——
We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher
rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for
both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated
assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and
resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun
prevalence and non-firearm homicide.
——

Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and
homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal
of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48.
——
Differences in rates of homicides of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) across
states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in
household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to
be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states.
——

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/pdf/10.1377/hlthaff.12.4.142
——
Ironically, many people consider guns to be part of the solution to violence
rather than part of the problem. This viewpoint is best illustrated by a 1988
paper, "Crime Control through the Private Use of Armed Force." In the heated
atmosphere that surrounds gun control, firearm researchers tend to be judged
by the acceptability of their findings rather than by the rigor of their
methods. After one team of investigators published a study that linked higher
rates of homicide with readily available handguns, the research director for
the National Rifle Association (NRA) demanded that two of the study's authors
be investigated by the NIH office of scientific integrity. His petition was
dismissed following internal agency review.

The NRA also has sought to block further firearm-injury research. Shortly
after the study described above was published, the NRA published a blistering
attack in its official journal, American Rifleman. On the same page the NRA
encouraged concerned members to write to the assistant secretary for health to
protest "the use of federal tax dollars by the Centers for Disease Control to
conduct anti-gun pseudo-scientific studies disguised as research into the
'epidemiology of violence'."
——

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167105
——
Results. We found no robust, statistically significant correlation between gun
ownership and stranger firearm homicide rates. However, we found a positive
and significant association between gun ownership and nonstranger firearm
homicide rates. The incidence rate ratio for nonstranger firearm homicide rate
associated with gun ownership was 1.014 (95% confidence interval = 1.009,
1.019).
Conclusions. Our findings challenge the argument that gun ownership deters
violent crime, in particular, homicides.
——

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:38:18 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669x4pymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:54:29 +0100, LegionX
> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> How the fuck can you need to ask someone if you're involved in an
>>> explosion?<> Welcome to a flaw in snit logic. Gremlin didn't write the post
>> snit is writing about. We did.
>>
>> Snit has accused us of being a Gremlin sock - we've invited him to
>> post the evidence supporting his accusation. To snit that meant
>> he would just continue to repeat it. In snits mind. Thats what
>> evidence means.
>>
>> Snit didn't accuse us of this until we busted him socking up as
>> Sigmond and provided actual evidence to help us prove our
>> accusation. We caught him using the same IP address posting as
>> Sigmond as he did with Snit. He didn't even deny he made both
>> posts until we specifically pointed out the fact we found the
>> posts shared the same ip in plain sight in the headers. Once we
>> grilled him good and tore both of his explanations for this so
>> called ip forgery (hah yep on usenet with known servers that
>> werent compromised) he started accusing us of being a sock of
>> Gremlins.
>>
>> We know enough about you to know that like snit you dont earn an
>> income. You're also mooch and like snit very well known as a
>> troll. But you're different in the sense your not a harmful troll
>> whos out to fuck people over. You just do it for kicks. We get
>> that. Snit on the other hand is a real life dangerous
>> narcisist.
>>
>>> Wouldn't it be obvious?<> It should be. But this is snits story so the
>>> gaping holes in his
>> "logic" are the reason he wrote what he did. Gremlin hasn't
>> posted since June of this year. Snit has spent the time to
>> continue badmouthing him every chance he gets. He really is that
>> *jealous* of Gremlin.
>
> Get a life.

I wonder if LegionX is Gremlin trying to pretend he has a flood bot similar to
Carroll's.

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On 2021-07-27 1:30 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:59:34 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:01:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.063lovo2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone
>>>>>> else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>   enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>   We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>
>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who
>>>> chose
>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them.
>>>> It is
>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>
>>> Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.
>>
>> Nor is anyone asking to.
>>
>> I hope they start demanding proof of vaccination once it gets full FDA
>> approval (which is likely coming soon).
>
> By which time it'll have been long gone anyway.

I'm _shocked_ that Marxist Snit is demanding tyranny.

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On 2021-07-27 1:39 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:51:39 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-26 9:39 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 03:17:43 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-24 1:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:31:07 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>>>>>>> You?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council
>>>>>>> voted to
>>>>>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them.
>>>>>>> They had
>>>>>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I
>>>>>>> recall. I
>>>>>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the
>>>>>>> city has
>>>>>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to
>>>>>> stop
>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic.
>>>> Besides,
>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>
>>> Agreed on that.
>>>
>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to
>>>> bully me
>>>> around than it already is.
>>>
>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>
>> Actual Brits, whose ancestors have been there for hundreds or thousands
>> of years are Christian, well-behaved and believe in manners. I imagine
>> that amongst them, guns are of no use. However, I wonder whether the New
>> Brits have resorted to other means to kill people now that guns are not
>> available...
>>
>> ... oh wait, what's this?
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow-b1Cus1fg> "Birmingham knife crime
>> overtakes London"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msTmT16-nRU> "London on track for
>> highest number of teenage killings in a decade"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7pIO0F9y0U> "Knife crime on the rise
>> in London"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJGyhuiW57M> "London's murder rate
>> worse than New York?"
>>
>> You can take the knife out of the killer's hands but you can't take the
>> killer out. Those wonderful, peaceful "New Brits" from Africa will
>> always find a way. I wonder if the Old Brits would have enjoyed having a
>> way of defending themselves against the adherents to the "religion of
>> peace?"
>
> Knives are not as dangerous as guns, you could stop me killing you with
> a knife.

No, I can _try_. The fact that I am unarmed and that you have a knife
gives you an advantage over me. If one of your attacks reaches its
target, I am in pain or suffer a wound which will lead to weakness or
death; if one of my attacks hits, you mostly feel temporary pain unless
that hit is significant. People have been attacked by knives in places
like London and there was a good number of victims before the attacker
was finally stopped. If anything, the number of kills is almost as high
as that of a man armed with a gun.

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On 2021-07-27 1:40 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:54:26 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-26 9:40 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 03:19:16 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-24 1:29 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:47:45 +0100, pothead <pothead@snakebite.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-07-23, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having
>>>>>>>>> guns?
>>>>>>>>> You?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council
>>>>>>>> voted to
>>>>>>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I
>>>>>>>> recall. I
>>>>>>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the
>>>>>>>> city
>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the
>>>>>>> thugs who
>>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to
>>>>>>> stop
>>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gun control will never work.
>>>>>
>>>>> It works in the UK.
>>>>
>>>> That's right: there are no stabbings, people getting run over by vans
>>>> driven by those devout to the "religion of peace" or explosions in the
>>>> UK anymore. It's been at least a few days.
>>>>
>>>> When was gun control implemented again?
>>>
>>> Why would you expect a lack of guns to help with those?  It helps with
>>> the most easy way to kill someone.  I can't knife you from a distance.
>>
>> That's not what I was saying. I was suggesting that even if you make
>> guns more difficult to obtain, the killers remain.
>
> But would find it more difficult to kill.

Wars were waged for millennia with both sides using little more than
what are today considered to be knives. We didn't somehow become immune
to stab wounds over that amount of time.

>> If the United Kingdom
>> were concerned about keeping their streets safe, they wouldn't let in
>> those very well-mannered and peaceful migrants from Africa who worship a
>> murderous pedophile who wrote a book demanding that anyone who doesn't
>> have the same ideology must die. If discarding that trash is of no
>> interest to them, giving the real Brits a fighting chance againt these
>> barbarians wouldn't be such a bad idea.
>
> I agree on the immigrunts.

I like that name, immigrunts.

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On Jul 27, 2021 at 11:57:30 AM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
<uGYLI.42794$0Z7.19653@fx39.iad>:

> On 2021-07-27 1:30 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:59:34 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:01:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.063lovo2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 20:22:10 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-23 2:56 p.m., LegionX wrote:
>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone
>>>>>>> else?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>
>>>>> The "delta variant" is basically one that was created by those who
>>>>> chose
>>>>> to get "vaccinated" with a concoction that is likely to kill them.
>>>>> It is
>>>>> more contagious but also less potent.
>>>>
>>>> Nobody is sticking any shit into my arm.
>>>
>>> Nor is anyone asking to.
>>>
>>> I hope they start demanding proof of vaccination once it gets full FDA
>>> approval (which is likely coming soon).
>>
>> By which time it'll have been long gone anyway.
>
> I'm _shocked_ that Marxist Snit is demanding tyranny.

I did no such thing, nor am I a Marxist. But, hey, you got my online handle
right. Good for you!

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> posted this:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>
>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>
>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>
>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone
>>>> else?
>>>
>>> Yes. We are.
>>>
>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>
>>
>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media
>> are letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>
>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea
>> 4:6
>>
>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with
>> the virus!
>>
>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the
>> virus".
>>
>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus
>> attaching to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions
>> which are so severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>
>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well
>> publicized that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because
>> an infected host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks
>> BEFORE showing any symptoms...
>>
>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be
>> "infected" but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it...
>> BUT you still CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN
>> TURN INFECT STILL MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus
>> inside you dies because it cannot attach to the protien it needs to
>> make you sick... IF you are otherwise relatively healthy...

>
> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more
> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.
>

D'UH! #WHOOSH Somebody explain it to him...

>> This is WHY wearing of masks IS NOT an issue of personal freedom... It
>> is a matter of LOGICAL STRATEGY to defeat the virus' spreading - and
>> mutating - until sufficient population are "vaccinated" to
>> constructively defeat this incantation of this virus.

>
> I will wear what I want to wear and nobody will tell me otherwise. Stop
> fussing over a bad flu that kills less than malaria, kidney disease, and
> cancer.

Well, aren't *YOU* one of God's "special" little parasites?

One thing seems for sure at this point: only the fucking brain-dead idiots,
the poorest, the most ill-informed, and the most vulnerable among us will
die from COVID-19 while the virus perpetuates itself because insolent
assholes refuse to protect all of mankind by submitting to the simpliest of
procedures and protocols...

Reminds me of that poem, 'If', by Rudyard Kipling.

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And *NO*, that is *NOT* a Jedi Light Saber I have in my pocket!

But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy to see you either.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:12:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:44:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0644g0qumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:56:59 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:57 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.063lujpgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>> No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint
>>>>>>>> presentation....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the Macbook
>>>>>>> Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and while
>>>>>>> it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely does have
>>>>>>> a GPU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely one could be made that has a fan, but is only used if you start gaming
>>>>>> on it? Just because a powerful chip is in there, doesn't mean it has to be
>>>>>> used all the time. Being able to connect the screen to either the onboard or
>>>>>> the GPU would be a good idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could make a machine with multiple CPUs and GPUs and more... but it would
>>>>> be bigger and more expensive.
>>>>
>>>> No. You can already buy machines with a seperate GPU. Why not just take one of
>>>> those, but disable the GPU until you load a game etc? The built in graphics of
>>>> the CPU could then take over.
>>>
>>> Not all CPUs have integrated graphics. So you pay more for a CPU with the
>>> integrated graphics then add a GPU to it. Then you can add an external GPU.
>>
>> It costs virtually nothing compared to the seperate GPU. A lot of desktops
>> I've had have built in graphics and a seperate card.
>
> Desktops have less concern about heat and energy.

Anything that's not doing calculations should emit no heat. My 6 month old Ryzen 3900XT CPU is absurd. It uses 150W at full power, but 40W when idle. WTF is it doing to use 40W?

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:13:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:44:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0644f1rmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:56:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:08:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.063l0hysmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:50:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.061pm5avmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it at
>>>>>> school.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a fun game... and you can STILL play it:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.retrogames.cz/play_493-DOS.php?language=EN
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand the desire to play outdated quality stuff. This is what I
>>>> play: https://youtu.be/IbnW213nRO8
>>>
>>> I am not much of a gamer... unless you count chess, but no real computer power
>>> needed for that. Even then I play about 1 game a day on average.
>>
>> Fallout 4 is better than real life. In fact I regularly do something in real
>> life and think Fallout 4 would have made it easier to do that.
>
> Glad you enjoy.

Being able to insert some old tin cans and toothbrushes into a workshop and having it create a fence is cool.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:15:21 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:42:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.0644cgstmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>>
>>> Strip poker was the name, I think.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it
>>>> at school.
>>>
>>> I think we did, but none in our group had a colour monitor (in the
>>> 80's). I think, not sure, I got my first colour monitor in 1991. EGA or
>>> VGA, I don't remember. Probably my graphics card was an "ATI Wonder +",
>>> but I don't remember when exactly I got it.
>>
>> In 1991, I had a 386 SX (no maths co processor) 16MHz with a 14" colour
>> monitor doing 16 million colours at 1024*768. I very soon added a 1MB Cirrus
>> Logic GPU for games, the Trident that came with it was slow as hell.
>
> My brother had an Apple IIe. Years later, long past it being a "modern"
> computer, I got an Apple IIgs for fun. I bumped it up to a whopping 4.25 MB of
> RAM and an incredible 170 MB hard drive.

The computer above ended up with a free upgrade to 80MB when the 40MB disk failed and they didn't have any spares. They also replaced the motherboard for free when I shorted it out. Just because a serial printer uses the same connector as a parallel printer, does not mean it's electrically compatible.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:16:42 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06437xjnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>
>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>
>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>
>> Agreed on that.
>
> They should be requiring vaccinations for more things. End the damned
> pandemic.

Forcing anyone to do anything is always wrong.

It's just a bad flu! Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!

>>> I am not sure that as an
>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>> around than it already is.
>>
>> The UK manages without guns.
>
> They are "tyrannical" with that, eh?

We don't think anything of it. Nobody here except madmen have a desire to own a gun. People do not feel threatened and want to defend themselves. Mainly because of the lack of criminals with guns.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:17:46 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:38:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06436ijymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:53:11 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:37:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.061pv9j3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>>>>>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Are you really that dumb...?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I haven't been dumb above.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way dumb means unable to speak.
>>>>>
>>>>> My dumbbell does not ring.
>>>>
>>>> Ever dropped one on another one?
>>>
>>> No, but I would be happy to watch a video of someone dropping Carroll on
>>> Gremlin. :)
>>
>> I don't think much would happen, people are too soft, unless you could make
>> sure the skulls impacted each other.
>
> Only one way to find out!

Watch the Dudesons for examples.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:19:33 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:37:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.06435lszmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:52:13 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:36:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.061pukzwmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:15:16 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They're not designed to actually sit on your lap... :-/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They're called laptops for a reason, that's where the home ones go.
>>>>>> Office ones might be on a desk or train table.
>>>>>
>>>>> Buy one that suits your needs, then. Don't bitch about having bought
>>>>> something that doesn't work for you.
>>>>
>>>> If it's called "laptop" it should work on a lap.
>>>
>>> Many call them notebooks.
>>
>> I haven't heard that word for 2-3 decades. I have heard lapdog though.
>
> Dell calls them laptops: https://www.dell.com/
>
> Apple calls them notebooks: https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/
>
> Sorta funny how the ones more suited for the lap are not called laptops. :)

I think "tablet" is the stupidest name - a tablet makes me think of a slab of stone.