On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:39:34 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0669z8cfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:51:39 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-07-26 9:39 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 03:17:43 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-24 1:28 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 13:31:07 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>>>>>>> You?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
>>>>>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
>>>>>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I
>>>>>>> recall. I
>>>>>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the
>>>>>>> city has
>>>>>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs
>>>>>> who
>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>
>>> Agreed on that.
>>>
>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>> around than it already is.
>>>
>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>
>> Actual Brits, whose ancestors have been there for hundreds or thousands
>> of years are Christian, well-behaved and believe in manners. I imagine
>> that amongst them, guns are of no use. However, I wonder whether the New
>> Brits have resorted to other means to kill people now that guns are not
>> available...
>>
>> ... oh wait, what's this?
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow-b1Cus1fg> "Birmingham knife crime
>> overtakes London"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msTmT16-nRU> "London on track for
>> highest number of teenage killings in a decade"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7pIO0F9y0U> "Knife crime on the rise
>> in London"
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJGyhuiW57M> "London's murder rate
>> worse than New York?"
>>
>> You can take the knife out of the killer's hands but you can't take the
>> killer out. Those wonderful, peaceful "New Brits" from Africa will
>> always find a way. I wonder if the Old Brits would have enjoyed having a
>> way of defending themselves against the adherents to the "religion of
>> peace?"
>
> Knives are not as dangerous as guns, you could stop me killing you with a
> knife.

The data are clear that where there are more guns there is more homicide and
suicide. It is another example of the libertarian fantasy of people being
rational actors is, shall we say, shot down.

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1749-6632.2001.tb05808.x/full
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The evidence linking firearms in the home to risk for suicide is reviewed.
These data come from epidemiological, case-control, quasiexperimental, and
prospective studies. The convergent finding from this wide range of studies is
that there is a strong relationship between firearms in the home and risk for
suicide, most firmly established in the United States.
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http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199310073291506
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The use of illicit drugs and a history of physical fights in the home are
important risk factors for homicide in the home. Rather than confer
protection, guns kept in the home are associated with an increase in the risk
of homicide by a family member or intimate acquaintance.
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https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=206421
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Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence
indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the
United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies,
ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes,
cities, states and regions in the U.S., where there are more guns, both men
and women are at a higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.
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http://jonathanstray.com/papers/FirearmAvailabilityVsHomicideRates.pdf
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We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there
are more homicides.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1447364
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After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in
states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm
homicide.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17070975
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We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher
rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for
both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated
assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and
resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun
prevalence and non-firearm homicide.
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Swedler DI, Simmons MM, Dominici F, Hemenway D. Firearm prevalence and
homicides of law enforcement officers in the United States. American Journal
of Public Health. 2015; 105:2042-48.
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Differences in rates of homicides of Law Enforcement Officers (LEOs) across
states are best explained not by differences in crime, but by differences in
household gun ownership. In high gun states, LEOs are 3 times more likely to
be murdered than LEOs working in low-gun states.
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https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/pdf/10.1377/hlthaff.12.4.142
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Ironically, many people consider guns to be part of the solution to violence
rather than part of the problem. This viewpoint is best illustrated by a 1988
paper, "Crime Control through the Private Use of Armed Force." In the heated
atmosphere that surrounds gun control, firearm researchers tend to be judged
by the acceptability of their findings rather than by the rigor of their
methods. After one team of investigators published a study that linked higher
rates of homicide with readily available handguns, the research director for
the National Rifle Association (NRA) demanded that two of the study's authors
be investigated by the NIH office of scientific integrity. His petition was
dismissed following internal agency review.

The NRA also has sought to block further firearm-injury research. Shortly
after the study described above was published, the NRA published a blistering
attack in its official journal, American Rifleman. On the same page the NRA
encouraged concerned members to write to the assistant secretary for health to
protest "the use of federal tax dollars by the Centers for Disease Control to
conduct anti-gun pseudo-scientific studies disguised as research into the
'epidemiology of violence'."
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4167105
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Results. We found no robust, statistically significant correlation between gun
ownership and stranger firearm homicide rates. However, we found a positive
and significant association between gun ownership and nonstranger firearm
homicide rates. The incidence rate ratio for nonstranger firearm homicide rate
associated with gun ownership was 1.014 (95% confidence interval = 1.009,
1.019).
Conclusions. Our findings challenge the argument that gun ownership deters
violent crime, in particular, homicides.
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.