On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:59:42 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07tixsrymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 21:53:08 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:34:17 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07pu7fnsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:44:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07kbimv2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not until it was close. And fires move VERY fast. So if my neighbor is insured
>>>>>>>> they will fight the fire miles from me for him? He is them paying for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you had insurance with fire protection, you'd phone up and say "there's a
>>>>>>> forest fire coming", or they'd already know. To protect themselves against
>>>>>>> having to pay for the damage to your house, they would chip in to put the fire
>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The cost of the house would be FAR less than the cost of the work to put out
>>>>>> the fire. Many times less.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not if the choices are putting out one fire or paying for 500 houses.
>>>>
>>>> You won't even wear a mask and you think people would pay voluntarily. Your
>>>> claims are contradictory.
>>>
>>> Most people voluntarily have home insurance. Most people voluntarily wear
>>> masks.
>>
>> People with mortgages do not have the option -- they must have insurance.
>
> Should, not must, they don't check.

The banks can and do catch people.

>> Many others do get insurance, but it does not cover the things we talked
>> about (say
>> paying for taking care of the forest fires around me).
>
> That's a risk they're willing to take. If most are willing to take it, those
> who don't want the risk have to pay a huge premium.

But it is not insurance that covers those risks. It's taxes.
>
>> And many people do
>> voluntarily wear masks and take other common sense precautions, but others are
>> suing over wearing them and are otherwise being foolish. It is part of why the
>> US is seeing such a high resurgence of COVID. People simply will not do even
>> the basics to not harm others without their being laws and regulations to
>> prevent that.
>
> We're not harming others,

This is clearly false. You are actively making the choice to risk spreading a
pandemic. It is a very immature thing to do.

> we're just not going out of our way to protect them. Only in France is it
> required by law to be a good samaritan if you see an accident etc.
>
>> In fact, that is at best what laws and regulations are for: to reduce the
>> chance of people harming each other and to have legal consequences when that
>> does happen.
>
> Why do you believe this is a good thing?

Basic morality.

>
>>>>>>>>> They are paid to make sure your home stays intact. They don't want to have to
>>>>>>>>> pay out for everything in your home, so they put the fire out. If the forest
>>>>>>>>> fire was threatening 500 homes, that's 500 policies that would pay for the
>>>>>>>>> fire to be put out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the other 499 are paying for me why should I pay? Let their insurance go
>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could if you wanted. But if a lot of people did that, there wouldn't be
>>>>>>> enough money to put the fire out and it would be cheaper to just pay for the
>>>>>>> lost houses. So, up to you, freedom of choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless many people get the insurance the value goes down. More damage and loss
>>>>>> and suffering.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I prefer to have less suffering and better services.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then choose to pay for them.
>>>>
>>>> As with masks that does not work. You need to have it be done pretty much
>>>> universally.
>>>
>>> No, just a large number. 50% oughta do it.
>>
>> Certainly better than 0%.
>>
>>> Now, think about this:
>>>
>>> Situation 1: One house near a forest.
>>> Situation 2: 500 houses near another forest.
>>>
>>> Logically, the 500 should pay a lot less towards keeping the forest not on
>>> fire. But your left wing bullshit makes them pay the same.
>>
>> People in cities pay more taxes. Your claim is simply incorrect.
>
> They should pay less taxes! They're sharing things with others!

You said they pay the same. They don't. But, sure, it would be great if those
in the cities were not being asked to socialized the costs of those outside
the cities, just as it would would be great if red states would pay their own
way and not depend on the support of the blue states.

>
>>>>>>>> Hell, we see that with masks ... why should I wear a mask when others will.
>>>>>>>> YOU say that, don't you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. Because masks aren't one way. That would be black magic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See: too many people deny the evidence and think only of themselves for the
>>>>>> libertarian ideas to possibly work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use common sense.
>>>>
>>>> You use that term to reject evidence. That is the opposite of common sense to
>>>> me.
>>>
>>> It is not evidence if given to me by someone else and is also illogical.
>>>
>>>>> Explain to me how a mask knows which way the virus is going.
>>>>
>>>> Who said it did? You made that assumption based on a LACK of common sense.
>>>
>>> Because you seem to think it reacts differently depending if the virus is
>>> going into or out of your mouth.
>>
>> What "seems" to you has precisely nothing to do with what I said or believe.
>
> Then state your belief clearly.

And you still failed to understand and made up stories about viruses reacting
differently in different directions.

>
>>>>> And why don't you just wear it inside out?
>>>>
>>>> Another example of your lack of common sense.
>>>
>>> Well since you think they're one way, turning it round must reverse it.
>>
>> Again, this is a fine example of you failing to understand and you not having
>> common sense.
>
> Common sense states cotton can't tell which way the virus is travelling.

Nobody said, suggested, hinted, or implied anything of the sort.

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On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:54:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07tio0xpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:34:23 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-06 11:15 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>> winding road.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>
>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared
>>> of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere.
>>> Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>>
>> Do you think you're a wimp if you don't want people to die needlessly?
>>
>> Interesting... ...no: just sad.
>
> You're worrying about chances, not definites. It's fine to be scared if you
> fall out of a plane with no parachute, but not if there's a tiny tiny chance
> of catching something that probably won't kill you.

Risks are measured that way.

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On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:53:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07tincrqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:27:51 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:19:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07puitfnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 02:12:35 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 3:03:43 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se9q3u$t7o$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>>>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>>>>>> burglary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>>>>>>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's because he's not rational.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. He tries to back his views by saying that they are just what he
>>>> wants... what he calls "common sense".
>>>
>>> You'd know what common sense was if you had it.
>>
>> I understand you work to excuse your ignorance by saying it is just "common
>> sense". You use it to shun evidence and reason.
>
> As I said, you don't know what common sense is. You're not alone, most of the
> population have lost it. Most people just act like robots, that's why they
> need a government to hand them instructions, it's pathetic.

See:

Person 1: It is common sense to do A.
Person 2: It is common sense to do B.

Then each insists their common sense is right. In such situations let's use
evidence.

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On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:52:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07tilt19mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>> It's ridiculously cheap. Treating seriously sick people is very, very
>>>> expensive. Preventing that with a two quid shot makes absolute sense
>>>> even when you multiply it up by the whole population.
>>>>
>>>> For example, for a measles outbreak in Liverpool the cost of dealing
>>>> with 2,458 cases cost 24x more than an additional 11,793 vaccines to
>>>> achieve herd immunity in the area.
>>>> =EF=BB=BFhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26944712/
>>>>
>>>> COVID treatment is far more expensive than for measles and the COVID vax
>>>> is cheaper than the MMR, so the economics of mass vaccination are even
>>>> more embarassingly obvious.
>>>
>>> Don't treat them then. Go back to school and learn what evolution is.
>>
>> Treating them saves lives and money.
>
> No, leaving someone to die costs nothing.

There is a societal and moral cost to that.

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On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:51:54 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07tiksxxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:19:29 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:06:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07ny9jmcmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is always more to learn, but we now know a lot about COVID and the
>>>>>>>> vaccines -- for example, we know they are very safe and effective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At stopping something that wasn't very dangerous anyway. And they're not that
>>>>>>> effective actually. 80% at best, something like 25% with a new variant. Like
>>>>>>> using last year's virus checker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Where are you getting your information?
>>>>>
>>>>> The news.
>>>>
>>>> Have specific articles or clips? How about research papers?
>>>
>>> No Mr Robot, I do not have precise info for you. Most people don't remember
>>> where they saw things.
>>
>> So you cannot back your claims.
>
> No normal person stores the source along with each memory.

Does not change the fact you lack any support for your claims. And in this
case your claims are contrary to evidence.

>
>> That was pretty much what I was asking. Your
>> claims are very much contrary to the evidence... the pandemic is killing many,
>> harming many more. And we have very safe and effective vaccines to deal with
>> it.
>
> In one and a third years, it's killed 4.3 million people. In that same time,
> the world population has increased by 65 million. So it's negligible.

Again: you work to minimize the worst pandemic of our lifetimes.

>
>>>>>> And do you stop at red lights? If so, why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Only if it's busy and I can't b bothered looking at multiple streams of cars.
>>>>> If I can tell that I can get to where I want to go without hitting anything,
>>>>> and there are no cops about, I go.
>>>>
>>>> Why stop when there are cars? They can stop for you just as easily.
>>>
>>> Because a lot of drivers are arrogant or useless.
>>
>> As are the folks who refuse to wear masks.
>
> Are you not capable of sticking to one argument?
>
>>>>>>>>> Best to ignore "scientists" who all disagree with each other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Disagreement is a part of science... but then so is a growing consensus as we
>>>>>>>> learn more.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until we've finished learning, we shouldn't believe any theories on the way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We never finish learning.
>>>>>
>>>>> We finish certain things. Some of the laws of physics we're pretty certain on.
>>>>
>>>> You mean the "laws" that Einstein proved were wrong? :)
>>>
>>> I said some and pretty. Even less so with biology.
>>
>> We were about as certain as we could be with Newton's laws of physics... and
>> they are still very, very useful. They just happen to also not be completely
>> accurate.
>>
>> But that is how it works with science... as we learn more we make better
>> models.
>
> So you shouldn't believe the earlier ones. With physics it's not so bad, we
> usually get it almost right. But with biology we don't have a clue - just look
> at how many times they've told us to ignore previous "evidence" and eat yet
> another different kind of fat.

The fact our best knowledge will improve over time is not reason to ignore our
best knowledge. You are making the choice to go with ignorance over knowledge.

>
>>>>>>> Look at the palava over which kind of fat is good for you.... if you had
>>>>>>> listened to scientists a decade ago, you would be making yourself worse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've heard a doctor (a surgeon) say the masks we wear are of no use
>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. Unless we all used surgical masks, we might aswell not bother.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That doctor is saying things against the evidence. I say go with the evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A surgeon knows how good masks are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And I wonder why they have surgical masks and don't just use the cheap Ebay
>>>>>>> ones we all use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Has someone suggested all masks are equal?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well the government isn't telling us to use certain ones.
>>>>
>>>> They make suggestions... but you did not answer the question.
>>>
>>> I've never heard a suggestion.
>>
>> The CDC goes into quite some detail:
>>
>> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/about-face-coverings.html
>
> No point if it's not given to the general public.

That is given to the general public.

> Loads of people are just sticking a piece of scrap cotton over their mouth
> ffs.

Still better than nothing.

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On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:46:51 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ticdg1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:15:53 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:07:41 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07nza3eamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:54:37 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:31:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07igeez1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07eoxpk7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:12:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:06:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.07cu9qpjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, aren't *YOU* one of God's "special" little parasites?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One thing seems for sure at this point: only the fucking brain-dead idiots,
>>>>>>>>>> the poorest, the most ill-informed, and the most vulnerable among us will
>>>>>>>>>> die from COVID-19 while the virus perpetuates itself because insolent
>>>>>>>>>> assholes refuse to protect all of mankind by submitting to the simpliest of
>>>>>>>>>> procedures and protocols...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reminds me of that poem, 'If', by Rudyard Kipling.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're confused, first you say only the ill-informed will die, then you say
>>>>>>>>> we're endangering others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You increase your risk of infection and the risk you push onto others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is like someone in a boat, saying they are only digging a hole in their own
>>>>>>>> cabin so others should not try to control them. Or someone saying that the
>>>>>>>> government should not tell them to drive on a specific side of the road.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Selfish and short sighted and not seeing the overall impact they have... or
>>>>>>>> not caring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You seem to have now forgotten what you wrote earlier:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "only the fucking brain-dead idiots, the poorest, the most ill-informed, and
>>>>>>> the most vulnerable among us will die from COVID-19"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What message ID?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's quoted above.
>>>>
>>>> I did not write that.
>>>
>>> Oh, someone oversnipped the quotations.
>>
>> It happens. No harm done.
>
> It made me very angry. When I get angry I take revenge. Just ask my neighbour,
> oh she doesn't know I did that.

I asked her. She knows.

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In article <XnsAD807E9365A69Ohmmmmmmm@85.12.62.254>, Bucky Breeder
<Breeder_Bucky-Breeder@That's.my.name_Don't.wear.it.out> wrote:

> Vaccinations dramatically reduce the chances of getting seriously ill or
> dying from COVID-19 and MASKS - proper worn in appropiate public,
> uncontrolled circumstances - dramatically reduce the chances of either
> transmitting or receiving the virus.

yep

> While more prominent use of masks could reduce the COVID-19 numbers
> dramatically, however it certainly should be voluntary and NOT MANDATED...
> Encouraging the use of masks would be much more effective and efficacious
> with obtaining widespread compliance.

voluntary is not working.

> Studies are now showing - what should have been clear from the earlier
> President Trump COVID-19 briefings

his briefings did not show much of anything, other than how much he
bloviates.

> - immunized people can still contract,
> carry, and transmit the virus!

at a significantly lower rate than unvaccinated people.

> This is mainly because our vaccinations are
> mRNA vaccines... They don't work like an insecticide and kill the virus,
> they simply keep the immunized person from getting sick and/or dying - to a
> great extent.

nope.

guess how it keeps people from getting sick or dying: by killing the
virus.

> So, while a person is immune from catastrophic consequences
> with the vaccine, they can unintentionally bounce the virus - and/or the
> mutated viruses - among a susceptible (unmasked) population and actually
> give the virus additional opportunities to mutate further.

vaccinated people are not immune from catastrophic consequences,
however, the probability of a bad outcome is significantly lower.

new variants breed in unvaccinated people, where the virus can
replicate like crazy.

> mRNA vaccines stop the virus from replicating. The virus needs to
> replicate to survive. If it can't replicate, it will jump to another host
> - ad infinitum - until it can replicate or until it dies. Meanwhile, it
> will ultimately try to mutate as a survival mechanism... as viruses do.

nope. because the virus can't replicate in a vaccinated host, there
won't be enough of it to spread to others.

nothing is perfect, and there are a small number of breakthrough
infections, which are generally mild, which means less contagious,
although not zero.

>
> Everything about defeating this virus seems to boil down to all the people
> unconditionally cooperating. The quicker we all could do that, the quicker
> this thing would all be done and fade into another "I remember when"
> anecdote.

good luck on that.

far too many people refuse to cooperate, prolonging the pandemic and
fucking things up for everyone else.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:27:00 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:20:48 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07puky0lmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:43:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 02/08/2021 19:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news
>>>>>>>>>>>> media are
>>>>>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from
>>>>>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you
>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING
>>>>>>>>>>>> OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill
>>>>>>>>>>>> the virus".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus
>>>>>>>>>>>> attaching
>>>>>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which
>>>>>>>>>>>> are so
>>>>>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well
>>>>>>>>>>>> publicized
>>>>>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an
>>>>>>>>>>>> infected
>>>>>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks
>>>>>>>>>>>> BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are
>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be
>>>>>>>>>>>> "infected"
>>>>>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT
>>>>>>>>>>>> you still
>>>>>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN
>>>>>>>>>>>> INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies
>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more
>>>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>>>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until you get a variant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>>>>>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we
>>>>>> get an
>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>
>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary.
>>>>
>>>> It's ridiculously cheap. Treating seriously sick people is very, very
>>>> expensive. Preventing that with a two quid shot makes absolute sense
>>>> even when you multiply it up by the whole population.
>>>>
>>>> For example, for a measles outbreak in Liverpool the cost of dealing
>>>> with 2,458 cases cost 24x more than an additional 11,793 vaccines to
>>>> achieve herd immunity in the area.
>>>> =EF=BB=BFhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26944712/
>>>>
>>>> COVID treatment is far more expensive than for measles and the COVID vax
>>>> is cheaper than the MMR, so the economics of mass vaccination are even
>>>> more embarassingly obvious.
>>>
>>> Don't treat them then. Go back to school and learn what evolution is.
>>
>> Treating them saves lives and money.
>
> No, leaving someone to die costs nothing.

nospam expressed precisely :
> In article <XnsAD807E9365A69Ohmmmmmmm@85.12.62.254>, Bucky Breeder
> <Breeder_Bucky-Breeder@That's.my.name_Don't.wear.it.out> wrote:
>
>> Vaccinations dramatically reduce the chances of getting seriously ill or
>> dying from COVID-19 and MASKS - proper worn in appropiate public,
>> uncontrolled circumstances - dramatically reduce the chances of either
>> transmitting or receiving the virus.
>
> yep
>
>> While more prominent use of masks could reduce the COVID-19 numbers
>> dramatically, however it certainly should be voluntary and NOT MANDATED...
>> Encouraging the use of masks would be much more effective and efficacious
>> with obtaining widespread compliance.
>
> voluntary is not working.
>
>> Studies are now showing - what should have been clear from the earlier
>> President Trump COVID-19 briefings
>
> his briefings did not show much of anything, other than how much he
> bloviates.
>
>> - immunized people can still contract,
>> carry, and transmit the virus!
>
> at a significantly lower rate than unvaccinated people.
>
>> This is mainly because our vaccinations are
>> mRNA vaccines... They don't work like an insecticide and kill the virus,
>> they simply keep the immunized person from getting sick and/or dying - to a
>> great extent.
>
> nope.
>
> guess how it keeps people from getting sick or dying: by killing the
> virus.
>
>> So, while a person is immune from catastrophic consequences
>> with the vaccine, they can unintentionally bounce the virus - and/or the
>> mutated viruses - among a susceptible (unmasked) population and actually
>> give the virus additional opportunities to mutate further.
>
> vaccinated people are not immune from catastrophic consequences,
> however, the probability of a bad outcome is significantly lower.
>
> new variants breed in unvaccinated people, where the virus can
> replicate like crazy.
>
>> mRNA vaccines stop the virus from replicating. The virus needs to
>> replicate to survive. If it can't replicate, it will jump to another host
>> - ad infinitum - until it can replicate or until it dies. Meanwhile, it
>> will ultimately try to mutate as a survival mechanism... as viruses do.
>
> nope. because the virus can't replicate in a vaccinated host, there
> won't be enough of it to spread to others.

Why can't it replicate?

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 22:33:56 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>> winding road.
>>>>
>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>
>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps. Remember
>>> when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared of stuff?
>>> Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere. Everyone thinks
>>> of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>>
>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental deaths.
>>
>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or wrong.
>
> They're a very good judge, and they should always be your decision to make.

They provably aren't. They are very corruptible by emotion and bias.

> Forcing someone to protect themselves is just wrong. We must always be
> able to choose to risk ourselves.

If people are so badly informed to not understand the risks or
intentionally choose to ignore them despite the real risks, then laws to
force people are appropriate.

Pretty much every safety aspect of cars or driving is legally required
because otherwise people would be (and were) dying in enormous numbers.

It's well demonstrated that people are very bad at judging risk especially
when it feeds into their own biases.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-inertia-trap/201303/why-are-people-bad-evaluating-risks
https://www.wired.com/2007/03/security-matters0322/
https://www.cogencyteam.com/news/2018/02/why-are-humans-bad-at-calculating-risk/

I mean people are more scared by terrorism than car accidents despite the
fact they're far more likely to be killed in a car accident.

In article <seqo4a$fu2$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
<erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

> >> mRNA vaccines stop the virus from replicating. The virus needs to
> >> replicate to survive. If it can't replicate, it will jump to another host
> >> - ad infinitum - until it can replicate or until it dies. Meanwhile, it
> >> will ultimately try to mutate as a survival mechanism... as viruses do.
> >
> > nope. because the virus can't replicate in a vaccinated host, there
> > won't be enough of it to spread to others.
>
> Why can't it replicate?

because the vaccine causes an antibody response, which fights off the
virus.

to be accurate the virus will replicate a little, but much less than
had the person not been vaccinated.

nothing is perfect, and a small number of people will have breakthrough
infections, who will be contagious, but usually for a shorter time than
had they not been vaccinated.

nospam presented the following explanation :
> In article <seqo4a$fu2$1@dont-email.me>, FromTheRafters
> <erratic@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>>>> mRNA vaccines stop the virus from replicating. The virus needs to
>>>> replicate to survive. If it can't replicate, it will jump to another host
>>>> - ad infinitum - until it can replicate or until it dies. Meanwhile, it
>>>> will ultimately try to mutate as a survival mechanism... as viruses do.
>>>
>>> nope. because the virus can't replicate in a vaccinated host, there
>>> won't be enough of it to spread to others.
>>
>> Why can't it replicate?
>
> because the vaccine causes an antibody response, which fights off the
> virus.
>
> to be accurate the virus will replicate a little, but much less than
> had the person not been vaccinated.

That is more accurate. The vaccine only primes your adaptive immune
system so it can launch a defense more quickly (priming memory cells)
to get ahead of the game. It by no means stops a virus from
replicationg in a host. It does cause more viral dose particles to be
less effective at entering cells and marks them for destruction.

> nothing is perfect, and a small number of people will have breakthrough
> infections, who will be contagious, but usually for a shorter time than
> had they not been vaccinated.

I may need a third shot, and will get one if recommended.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 10:13:17 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 8/6/2021 6:07 PM, Ely wrote:
>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:JeiPI.898$un2.538@fx04.iad:
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 2:33:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>>>> <sek9s4$u3v$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>>>>> wanting to follow the rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any
>>>>>>>> direction, standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait
>>>>>>>> for the traffic light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions
>>>>>>>> on a winding road.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your
>>>>>>>> self from Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a
>>>>>>>> foot ball field and no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>>>>> scared of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy
>>>>>>> everywhere. Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead
>>>>>>> of using gut feeling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental
>>>>>> deaths.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or
>>>>>> wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly. I'll take evidence any day.
>>>>
>>>> Me too.
>>>>
>>>> This is pretty good evidence that you like breaking the law, snit.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>>>>
>>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>>
>>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>>
>> It's an excuse to justify your personal prejudice.
>
> No, it's something that only a moron would not believe, for example,
> "there is no god because we have never seen evidence of him" is common sense.

Nope. It's logical reasoning coupled with Occam's Razor. Any evidence
supporting the presence of god is more easily explained without resorting
to a magical being.

On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 22:45:05 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:43:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 02/08/2021 19:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we
>>>>> get an
>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>
>>>> Expensive and unnecessary.
>>>
>>> It's ridiculously cheap. Treating seriously sick people is very, very
>>> expensive. Preventing that with a two quid shot makes absolute sense
>>> even when you multiply it up by the whole population.
>>>
>>> For example, for a measles outbreak in Liverpool the cost of dealing
>>> with 2,458 cases cost 24x more than an additional 11,793 vaccines to
>>> achieve herd immunity in the area.
>>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26944712/
>>>
>>> COVID treatment is far more expensive than for measles and the COVID vax
>>> is cheaper than the MMR, so the economics of mass vaccination are even
>>> more embarassingly obvious.
>>
>> Don't treat them then.
>
> Would you have volunteered to dig the death pits? If we hadn't done
> anything we'd have had to bury the equivalent of the population of Glasgow
> or worse.

Burn them as fuel.

>> Go back to school and learn what evolution is.
>
> You'd be dead by now. Probably before you were 5.

And so be it.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 05:37:17 +0100, Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7/27/2021 10:42 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>
>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>
>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>
>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone
>>>>> else?
>>>>
>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>
>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>
>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>
>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with
>>> the
>>> virus!
>>>
>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the
>>> virus".
>>>
>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus
>>> attaching
>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>
>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
>>> any symptoms...
>>>
>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT
>>> STILL
>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies
>>> because it
>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>
>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more
>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.
>
> LOL! That is one of the primary reasons Covid is so infectious,
> ESPECIALLY by un-vaccinated people. Asymptomatic cases. Ever heard of
> them?

Yes, it means most of us will be fine, we should just let a small percentage die off and leave the tougher ones.

> Certainly not the primary difference of vaccinated people. It is
> more of a problem with Delta, in either case.

Vaccinated people can carry it.

>>> This is WHY wearing of masks IS NOT an issue of personal freedom... It
>>> is a
>>> matter of LOGICAL STRATEGY to defeat the virus' spreading - and
>>> mutating -
>>> until sufficient population are "vaccinated" to constructively defeat
>>> this
>>> incantation of this virus.
>>
>> I will wear what I want to wear and nobody will tell me otherwise. Stop
>> fussing over a bad flu that kills less than malaria, kidney disease, and
>> cancer.
>
> Quit spewing nonsense.

I spew facts, you think with your heart and not your head.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 19:21:45 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:05:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07roj9mzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>> What? Louder volume is more annoying. More distance is less annoying.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was just being silly... there are other factors than distance. Tone,
>>>>> repetition, etc. Try listening to Baby Shark softly.
>>>>
>>>> There is nothing more annoying than my parrot imitating a microwave bleep
>>>> every 2 seconds for half an hour.
>>>
>>> I would imagine that=E2=80=99s up there!
>
> Your system did this again.

I've seen others do it aswell. It's the hyphens in Wikipedia, they must be non standard.

>> I'm currently converting aviaries so he (and his girlfriend who shrieks) can
>> live in the garage instead of the lovebirds. The lovebirds make nice little
>> chirps. Trouble is one aviary has large holes so the lovebirds won't stay
>> inside, and the other is too weak for the Amazons' larger beaks.
>
> I can see where it would be worth the effort to find some solution. I know a
> constant microwave beep would drive me crazier. :)

He's slowing me down while I try to build it, I can't concentrate with those bleeps!

Is that what they call irony? I've never understood what irony is.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 19:23:06 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:04:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07rohu0jmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> I find most for restaurants to not fit my tastes. I am in meat-n-potatoes
>>>>> country, and I am more adventurous than that.
>>>>
>>>> I will not use anything but fast food restaurants. I detest waiting half
>>>> an hour for food! Why can't they be already cooking a couple of each?
>>>
>>> They don=E2=80=99t know what is going to be ordered.
>>
>> Don't interrupt, I cover that in the next sentence. You're getting like Rod
>> Speed.
>>
>>>> Sure, some might get wasted that isn't ordered, but they could have a
>>>> faster throughput of customers.
>>>
>>> Maybe. Or doing cleanup from wasted food. Or the stove is busy with someone
>>> making a dish nobody ordered.
>>
>> The number of customers served in one day is the most important thing, it
>> increases profit. The cost of a bit of wasted food is nothing.
>
> Not just wasted food but possibly slowing down the serving of customers. Your
> are making X. You get an order for Y and Z. You now need a new stove or you
> need to clean up from X before you start with Z.

You should have enough stoves to cook everything at once. You can get more than one thing in an oven and more than one thing on a hob.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 20:49:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:10:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07rorhfimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The chances of
>>>>>>>>> dying going through a traffic light are very low -- so why should I be
>>>>>>>>> required to stop at red light?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You shouldn't, I don't. Especially "left on red", which is legal in the USA
>>>>>>>> (although obviously yours is right).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why stop at red lights at all? Why should I be forced to drive on the right?
>>>>>>> It is arbitrary. You are not. What about my freedom? Can I not make the best
>>>>>>> choices for myself?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is what you sound like with the vaccine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I disobey any law I believe is wrong. Do you really stop at a red when the
>>>>>> whole junction is empty?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's another way to go through a red safely - if the person in front goes
>>>>>> through on green, you can go through as it turns to red, and so can hundreds
>>>>>> behind you. The other direction won't just start driving into a continuous
>>>>>> line of traffic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why wait at all? Others can stop for you as well as you can stop for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Answer: you follow safety laws.
>>>>
>>>> No, I follow common sense. If I can get to where I'm going without hitting
>>>> something, I go. Doesn't matter what the lights say.
>>>
>>> Yet you stop at red lights.
>>
>> No, I take them under advisement. They stop other cars, leaving a gap for me
>> to go. But often there's a gap the lights don't know about.
>
> You still generally stop for them, and assume others will, too.

I do not. I go whenever it's clear. The lights are just bunching up when cars go different ways.

>>> You drive on the proper side of the road.
>>
>> That's not safety, that's efficiency.
>
> It is both.

You can't call that safety. If we drove on random sides, we'd all crash with a very short time and have no working cars left.

For example, wearing a seatbelt is for safety. Wearing a parachute is because you have to. The first one has a tiny chance of a problem, the second is 100%.

>>> Stop pretending basic safety measures are unreasonable. It is absurd. Stop
>>> denying
>>> a horrid pandemic which is killing hundreds of thousands and leaving countless
>>> more harmed for life.
>>
>> A fraction of a percent. New people are being born faster than this.
>
> Again, you minimize a major pandemic. This goes against common sense. And
> evidence.

The evidence was given to you, the amount dying of it is a fraction of the population growth. Not worth writing home about.

>>> It is deeply immature and irrational... and the fact so
>>> many people do that is why the pandemic causes so much harm. The very people
>>> whining about wearing masks and having lockdowns are the ones making those
>>> things more needed. I have precisely no sympathy for folks who think their
>>> ignorance is a reason to cause others harm, or even risk harm.
>>
>> Stop caring about others and look after yourself, things are much easier that
>> way.
>
> And that me me me focus of the right is what is killing us. We do not live in
> our own bubbles.

We should, it would be far easier than this society bullshit. We're not a fucking ant colony.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around than it already is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are "tyrannical" with that, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't think anything of it. Nobody here except madmen have a desire to own
>>>>>>>>>>>> a gun. People do not feel threatened and want to defend themselves. Mainly
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the lack of criminals with guns.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you want to control people and deny them their guns, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be so small you wouldn't care.
>>>>>
>>>>> Add up all these small things and it adds up.
>>>>
>>>> At the moment we have thousands of things funded by the government. The
>>>> Libertarians would have two. Minimal military for defending only, and police
>>>> for serious crimes only.
>>>
>>> So no rules of the road? No fire departments. No safety measures. A deeply
>>> immature and unworkable system.
>>
>> No, rules are not required because people can think for themselves.
>
> As shown by masks they often come to conclusions which are contrary to
> evidence and common sense, and basic caring of other people. We need the
> mandates because people are actively ignorant and play victim.

They are contrary to your safety conscious wimpy beliefs.

>> Would you suddenly go around setting fire to yourself because there's no
>> legislation telling you it's dangerous?
>
> That sounds like the folks who say without a god they would be raping others.

Precisely. You have made my point well. Being an atheist doesn't make you commit sins. So removing laws wouldn't make you commit crimes.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 20:50:11 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:07:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07rom7kumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:23:42 +0100, Wylbur Raintree <kkalsodue99@linko.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <OpZOI.1819$6h1.433@fx39.iad>, brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:11:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07nzh6bamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>> No, I follow common sense. If I can get to where I'm going
>>> without hitting
>>>>> something, I go. Doesn't matter what the lights say.
>>>>
>>>> Yet you stop at red lights. You drive on the proper side of the road. Stop
>>>> pretending basic safety measures are unreasonable.
>>>
>>> Commander Kinsey might do all that but you, snit Michael Glasser
>>> certainly do not.
>>>
>>> Guess who these citations belong to?
>>>
>>> Hint: He lives in Prescott Arizona.
>>>
>>> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>>>
>>> So why are you constantly being pulled over by the police, snit?
>>>
>>> Considering the number of times you have been in traffic court and
>>> learning to drive classes so you could keep your license, they have
>>> a chair reserved just for you.
>>
>> How fucked up is a country when a traffic violation is called a "criminal
>> record"?
>
> Also not my record. I just looked it up... while I do have some tickets not a
> single one of those shows on the record, nor do any on my record show there.
>
> In short, it is more dishonest doxxing crap.

I've had 14 traffic offences.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 21:11:02 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> On 8/7/2021 3:50 PM, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:06:44 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07roliimmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:10:43 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:12:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07nzi5ugmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 21:11:43 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 02/08/2021 19:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:22 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:35 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.07gk8lcvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the early Apple IIe systems you had to pop a chip out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn it around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go from supporting a modem to a printer... which was stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They later did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To upgrade the RAM on my ZX Spectrum required a soldering iron!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Try it on a new M1!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have a soldering iron with the extra fine tip, will that do?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One way to find out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Have you ever picked up the wrong end?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope. And only rarely the right one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is similar and hilarious:
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/-myu4I6kJIs
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh the IRONy :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (In the comments section!)
>>>>>
>>>>> More puns. Ugh.
>>>>
>>>> You can never have too many.
>>>
>>> You can never have too much of a good thing, eg sex. But puns are most
>>> definitely not a good thing.
>>
>> Depends on your tastes.
>>
> Puns have been a form of humor for thousands of years. When we loose
> our sense of humor our civilizations is lost.

Puns are made by people who are shit at being comedians. We don't want to groan, we want to laugh.

On Aug 9, 2021 at 11:33:02 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ve5crgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 21:11:02 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 8/7/2021 3:50 PM, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:06:44 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07roliimmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:10:43 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:12:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07nzi5ugmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 21:11:43 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@no.mail.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/08/2021 19:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:22 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:35 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.07gk8lcvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With the early Apple IIe systems you had to pop a chip out and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turn it around
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to go from supporting a modem to a printer... which was stupid.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They later did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fix that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To upgrade the RAM on my ZX Spectrum required a soldering iron!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try it on a new M1!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a soldering iron with the extra fine tip, will that do?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One way to find out.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Have you ever picked up the wrong end?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope. And only rarely the right one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is similar and hilarious:
>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/-myu4I6kJIs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh the IRONy :-D
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (In the comments section!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More puns. Ugh.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can never have too many.
>>>>
>>>> You can never have too much of a good thing, eg sex. But puns are most
>>>> definitely not a good thing.
>>>
>>> Depends on your tastes.
>>>
>> Puns have been a form of humor for thousands of years. When we loose
>> our sense of humor our civilizations is lost.
>
> Puns are made by people who are shit at being comedians. We don't want to
> groan, we want to laugh.

Puns have been a part of humor as long as there has been written language.
Gilgamesh, widely considered the oldest written story, has them (and sexual
jokes). Human nature has not changed. :)

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On Aug 9, 2021 at 11:32:20 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ve36k3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>> Commander Kinsey might do all that but you, snit Michael Glasser
>>>> certainly do not.
>>>>
>>>> Guess who these citations belong to?
>>>>
>>>> Hint: He lives in Prescott Arizona.
>>>>
>>>> https://imgur.com/TgnWdC6
>>>>
>>>> So why are you constantly being pulled over by the police, snit?
>>>>
>>>> Considering the number of times you have been in traffic court and
>>>> learning to drive classes so you could keep your license, they have
>>>> a chair reserved just for you.
>>>
>>> How fucked up is a country when a traffic violation is called a "criminal
>>> record"?
>>
>> Also not my record. I just looked it up... while I do have some tickets not a
>> single one of those shows on the record, nor do any on my record show there.
>>
>> In short, it is more dishonest doxxing crap.
>
> I've had 14 traffic offences.

I have had a few but I do not think that many. I had more when I was young and
had long hair and drove a beat up vehicle in Vegas. The cops targeted such
folks... and Blacks much more.

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On Aug 9, 2021 at 11:31:51 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ve3dw1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 20:49:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:10:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07rorhfimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The chances of
>>>>>>>>>> dying going through a traffic light are very low -- so why should I be
>>>>>>>>>> required to stop at red light?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You shouldn't, I don't. Especially "left on red", which is legal in the USA
>>>>>>>>> (although obviously yours is right).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why stop at red lights at all? Why should I be forced to drive on the right?
>>>>>>>> It is arbitrary. You are not. What about my freedom? Can I not make the best
>>>>>>>> choices for myself?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is what you sound like with the vaccine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I disobey any law I believe is wrong. Do you really stop at a red when the
>>>>>>> whole junction is empty?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's another way to go through a red safely - if the person in front goes
>>>>>>> through on green, you can go through as it turns to red, and so can hundreds
>>>>>>> behind you. The other direction won't just start driving into a continuous
>>>>>>> line of traffic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why wait at all? Others can stop for you as well as you can stop for them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Answer: you follow safety laws.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I follow common sense. If I can get to where I'm going without hitting
>>>>> something, I go. Doesn't matter what the lights say.
>>>>
>>>> Yet you stop at red lights.
>>>
>>> No, I take them under advisement. They stop other cars, leaving a gap for me
>>> to go. But often there's a gap the lights don't know about.
>>
>> You still generally stop for them, and assume others will, too.
>
> I do not. I go whenever it's clear. The lights are just bunching up when cars
> go different ways.

Why not drive on the left side of the street? Why follow any government safety
demands?
>
>>>> You drive on the proper side of the road.
>>>
>>> That's not safety, that's efficiency.
>>
>> It is both.
>
> You can't call that safety.

I note that it is.

> If we drove on random sides, we'd all crash with a very short time and have no
> working cars left.

It would not be nearly as safe -- like not wearing a mask in a pandemic.

> For example, wearing a seatbelt is for safety. Wearing a parachute is because
> you have to. The first one has a tiny chance of a problem, the second is 100%.
>
>>>> Stop pretending basic safety measures are unreasonable. It is absurd. Stop
>>>> denying
>>>> a horrid pandemic which is killing hundreds of thousands and leaving countless
>>>> more harmed for life.
>>>
>>> A fraction of a percent. New people are being born faster than this.
>>
>> Again, you minimize a major pandemic. This goes against common sense. And
>> evidence.
>
> The evidence was given to you, the amount dying of it is a fraction of the
> population growth. Not worth writing home about.

Who argued against the numbers you gave? You just reached irrational
conclusion from them.

The fact is this is the worst pandemic in our lifetime, and that is even with
precautions. There are a bunch of immature people who pretend it is their
right to harm others who make it worse.

>
>>>> It is deeply immature and irrational... and the fact so
>>>> many people do that is why the pandemic causes so much harm. The very people
>>>> whining about wearing masks and having lockdowns are the ones making those
>>>> things more needed. I have precisely no sympathy for folks who think their
>>>> ignorance is a reason to cause others harm, or even risk harm.
>>>
>>> Stop caring about others and look after yourself, things are much easier that
>>> way.
>>
>> And that me me me focus of the right is what is killing us. We do not live in
>> our own bubbles.
>
> We should,

So move to a deserted island and you will.

> it would be far easier than this society bullshit. We're not a fucking ant
> colony.

What is keeping you in society... other than it is much better?

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around than it already is.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are "tyrannical" with that, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> We don't think anything of it. Nobody here except madmen have a desire to own
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a gun. People do not feel threatened and want to defend themselves. Mainly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the lack of criminals with guns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you want to control people and deny them their guns, eh?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would be so small you wouldn't care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Add up all these small things and it adds up.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the moment we have thousands of things funded by the government. The
>>>>> Libertarians would have two. Minimal military for defending only, and police
>>>>> for serious crimes only.
>>>>
>>>> So no rules of the road? No fire departments. No safety measures. A deeply
>>>> immature and unworkable system.
>>>
>>> No, rules are not required because people can think for themselves.
>>
>> As shown by masks they often come to conclusions which are contrary to
>> evidence and common sense, and basic caring of other people. We need the
>> mandates because people are actively ignorant and play victim.
>
> They are contrary to your safety conscious wimpy beliefs.

Equal rights and human rights are important to me.

>
>>> Would you suddenly go around setting fire to yourself because there's no
>>> legislation telling you it's dangerous?
>>
>> That sounds like the folks who say without a god they would be raping others.
>
> Precisely. You have made my point well. Being an atheist doesn't make you
> commit sins. So removing laws wouldn't make you commit crimes.

Laws help to influence behavior, but also provide legal consequences.

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On Aug 9, 2021 at 11:28:04 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07vew2rhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 19:23:06 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:04:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07rohu0jmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find most for restaurants to not fit my tastes. I am in meat-n-potatoes
>>>>>> country, and I am more adventurous than that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will not use anything but fast food restaurants. I detest waiting half
>>>>> an hour for food! Why can't they be already cooking a couple of each?
>>>>
>>>> They don=E2=80=99t know what is going to be ordered.
>>>
>>> Don't interrupt, I cover that in the next sentence. You're getting like Rod
>>> Speed.
>>>
>>>>> Sure, some might get wasted that isn't ordered, but they could have a
>>>>> faster throughput of customers.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe. Or doing cleanup from wasted food. Or the stove is busy with someone
>>>> making a dish nobody ordered.
>>>
>>> The number of customers served in one day is the most important thing, it
>>> increases profit. The cost of a bit of wasted food is nothing.
>>
>> Not just wasted food but possibly slowing down the serving of customers. Your
>> are making X. You get an order for Y and Z. You now need a new stove or you
>> need to clean up from X before you start with Z.
>
> You should have enough stoves to cook everything at once. You can get more
> than one thing in an oven and more than one thing on a hob.

Resources are limited. To cook more, and stuff that is not even wanted, would
slow things down. You also need more staff to prep and to make sure things are
not burning. Many restaurants operate on slim margins already.

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On Aug 9, 2021 at 11:27:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07vev5sbmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 19:21:45 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 11:05:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07roj9mzmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>> What? Louder volume is more annoying. More distance is less annoying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was just being silly... there are other factors than distance. Tone,
>>>>>> repetition, etc. Try listening to Baby Shark softly.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is nothing more annoying than my parrot imitating a microwave bleep
>>>>> every 2 seconds for half an hour.
>>>>
>>>> I would imagine that=E2=80=99s up there!
>>
>> Your system did this again.
>
> I've seen others do it aswell. It's the hyphens in Wikipedia, they must be non
> standard.

Could be... but I have seen yours do so repeatedly. Curious what happens if
you quote this:

⟙ի¡ຮ ¡ຮ ɑ ϯҿຮϯ ϯᴑ ຮҿҿ իᴑա աҿll ӳᴑur ຮӳຮϯҿന ϲɑท իɑทᖙlҿ ϯիҿຮҿ ϯӳբҿຮ ᴑҒ
ϲիɑrɑϲϯҿrຮ.

>
>>> I'm currently converting aviaries so he (and his girlfriend who shrieks) can
>>> live in the garage instead of the lovebirds. The lovebirds make nice little
>>> chirps. Trouble is one aviary has large holes so the lovebirds won't stay
>>> inside, and the other is too weak for the Amazons' larger beaks.
>>
>> I can see where it would be worth the effort to find some solution. I know a
>> constant microwave beep would drive me crazier. :)
>
> He's slowing me down while I try to build it, I can't concentrate with those
> bleeps!

Maybe he is trying to swear but is getting bleeped out.

>
> Is that what they call irony? I've never understood what irony is.

Don't ask Alanis Morissette.

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