On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:49:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:17:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07gk3a0zmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not. If it's vertical, warm air from the bottom component is
>>>>>> rising past the next component so it cools not so good.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it works by having the hottest components at the top. Not sure.
>>>>
>>>> I tend to set up fans that way, so the cool air crosses the disks first,
>>>> ending with the GPU.
>>>
>>> You use convection to your advantage.
>>
>> No, it's all forced air, I just choose which things need to be kept cooler and
>> which generate more heat. My fans do switch off or run very slowly when it's
>> not thinking hard though, so there probably is convection, but I didn't design
>> it for that, I only concern myself with the higher temperatures, since minimum
>> speed fans are silent.
>
> On purpose or not you used convection to your advantage. Try pushing the air
> the other way and see how well it works. I suspect less so.

I doubt there would be much difference due to convection. The main difference would be I would be pushing hot air off the CPU and GPU onto the cooler disks.

On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:50:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:15:49 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07gk0nkamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:34:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:17:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07cvrtgqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:05:16 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:42:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.0684sklomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:48:48 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:30:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.0669kvbpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:48:03 +0100, LegionX
>>>>>>>> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HHI <HHI@imaginary.friend.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/21 11:24 PM, LegionX wrote:> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> Wrote
>>>>>>>>>> in message:> >> One would think... but Gremlin was posting saying there was
>>>>>>>>>> an explosion but he had not heard from himself.<>Gremlin didn't post
>>>>>>>>>> anything. We did. We again invite you to> support your socking accusation
>>>>>>>>>> snit. We supported ours when we> called you out for socking up as Sigmond.>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gremlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no matter what name he
>>>>>>>>>> posts under.<>On Gremlins *worst days* he can still mop the floor with you
>>>>>>>>>> on> *any tech subject* with fuckin ease. Any of us can.> >Gremlin only
>>>>>>>>>> posts under one handle
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shit. I forgot to mention Diesel.<> Snit. Diesel isn't a sock of Gremlins.
>>>>>>>>>> It's an old handle he used
>>>>>>>>> for the purposes of making things more difficult for the remailer
>>>>>>>>> who revealed they had newbie level usenet search
>>>>>>>>> skills.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Would you like to try again girlyman?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You know what we mean you sock using asshole.<> We aren't mind readers. And
>>>>>>>>>> even if one of us was - snits is far
>>>>>>>>> too over self medicated on benzos and booze for us to read
>>>>>>>>> his.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody fucking cares.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gremlin has forgotten how to wrap. Odd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean learned how to not wrap.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or wrap properly.
>>>>
>>>> It's a stupid thing to do, as you have no idea how wide the recipient's
>>>> monitor is.
>>>
>>> Wrapping properly or not at all is better than what Gremlin is managing these
>>> days.
>>
>> Any wrapping annoys me. This post from you for example leaves the right half
>> of my monitor plain white. I think it originally came from retards that have
>> trouble following their eyes along longer lines.
>
> Either way avoids the hot mess coming from Gremlin, above.

Almost everyone who wraps makes a mess after about 5 indentations. I've yet to see a newsreader which wraps sensibly - that's never to wrap a single word (or more importantly a URL), or any line which has been quoted, unless it cleverly rewraps the whole paragraph by pushing one word all the way down several lines.

This shit is what I see regularly from many people:

>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah
>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah
>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
blah
>>>>> Reply reply reply reply reply reply reply reply reply
>>>> More text
>>> and so on
>> argument
> continues
etc.

Notice some blah is now attributed to the person who wrote etc.

I also see:
http://www.whatever.com/address/continues/and_then_falls_off_the
end.html

On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:51:16 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:15:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07gkzbjomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>
>>>>> OK? Does not break out the cause.
>>>>
>>>> It shows they're diminishing. Anyway, once we've all had it, nobody else can
>>>> catch it.
>>>
>>> The same people can get new variants, potentially. But the idea is to reduce
>>> the harm below what it would be if all got it, with so many dying and 1/3 of
>>> the population having long term ill effects.
>>
>> And removing any chance of evolution making us tougher against such things.
>
> What is the value in watching people needlessly suffer and die?

To get them out of the gene pool and to stop them wasting our resources.

>> You're sounding like you believe in god.
>
> One need not believe in a god to have morals... in fact such a belief, I
> think, can often get in the way (which is not to suggest religious people
> cannot be moral -- many are!)

Morality is a belief almost as silly as god.

On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:52:51 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:14:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07gkyaewmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:33:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:19:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07cvuoysmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't want anyone to pay for anything they don't use themselves.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You don't use the fire department until you need it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have home insurance. That would cover the fire department. But you could
>>>>>>>>>> choose to risk it and have no insurance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Home insurance does not pay for the fire department, they pay for fire damage.
>>>>>>>>> And they certainly do not pay to cover the 20+ fires burning within 20 miles
>>>>>>>>> or so of me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They could if the government stopped doing so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who would pay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The insurance, since you have a policy which includes fire.
>>>>>
>>>>> My insurance does not cover forest fires 20 miles away from me. Does yours?
>>>>
>>>> It would if the fire threatened your home.
>>>
>>> Not until it was close. And fires move VERY fast. So if my neighbor is insured
>>> they will fight the fire miles from me for him? He is them paying for me.
>>
>> If you had insurance with fire protection, you'd phone up and say "there's a
>> forest fire coming", or they'd already know. To protect themselves against
>> having to pay for the damage to your house, they would chip in to put the fire
>> out.
>
> The cost of the house would be FAR less than the cost of the work to put out
> the fire. Many times less.

Not if the choices are putting out one fire or paying for 500 houses.

>>>> They are paid to make sure your home stays intact. They don't want to have to
>>>> pay out for everything in your home, so they put the fire out. If the forest
>>>> fire was threatening 500 homes, that's 500 policies that would pay for the
>>>> fire to be put out.
>>>
>>> If the other 499 are paying for me why should I pay? Let their insurance go
>>> up.
>>
>> You could if you wanted. But if a lot of people did that, there wouldn't be
>> enough money to put the fire out and it would be cheaper to just pay for the
>> lost houses. So, up to you, freedom of choice.
>
> Unless many people get the insurance the value goes down. More damage and loss
> and suffering.
>
> I prefer to have less suffering and better services.

Then choose to pay for them. Most people would pay if the free fire service was taken away.

>>> Hell, we see that with masks ... why should I wear a mask when others will.
>>> YOU say that, don't you?
>>
>> Yes. Because masks aren't one way. That would be black magic.
>
> See: too many people deny the evidence and think only of themselves for the
> libertarian ideas to possibly work.

I use common sense. Explain to me how a mask knows which way the virus is going. And why don't you just wear it inside out?

On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:47 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:12:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07gkuzu0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:41 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07cvfsjgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:57:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:37:55 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.0684lhcymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 21:12:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 26/07/2021 15.45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> running all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible
>>>>>>>>>>> often is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an
>>>>>>>>> advantage. As
>>>>>>>>> you note, though, there are tradeoffs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it's coming through the same hole, convection does nothing at all
>>>>>>>> when the fan is running.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not fully correct :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The heat inside a chip goes to its surface by convection, and travels
>>>>>>> the heatsink via convection, where it passes to the air flow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, conduction not convection in a solid. Convection would need the metal to
>>>>>> move.
>>>>>
>>>>> Get it hot enough and it will!
>>>>
>>>> I don't believe that would be within the design specs of the silicon.
>>>
>>> One way to find out.
>>
>> Been done already: https://youtu.be/Xf0VuRG7MN4
>> Quite amazing watching the thermal throttle work. About time they put them in
>> cars.
>
> Would be curious to see how an M1 handles that.

In the UK, that sounds like a motorway leading to London.

The Audi A4 is also stupidly named, since it's a sheet of paper.

On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>
>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>
>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>
>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>
>>
>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>
> Define "weakest" as you use it there.

Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.

On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:34:32 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ka7usimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:49:54 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:17:24 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gk3a0zmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not. If it's vertical, warm air from the bottom component is
>>>>>>> rising past the next component so it cools not so good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it works by having the hottest components at the top. Not sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> I tend to set up fans that way, so the cool air crosses the disks first,
>>>>> ending with the GPU.
>>>>
>>>> You use convection to your advantage.
>>>
>>> No, it's all forced air, I just choose which things need to be kept cooler and
>>> which generate more heat. My fans do switch off or run very slowly when it's
>>> not thinking hard though, so there probably is convection, but I didn't design
>>> it for that, I only concern myself with the higher temperatures, since minimum
>>> speed fans are silent.
>>
>> On purpose or not you used convection to your advantage. Try pushing the air
>> the other way and see how well it works. I suspect less so.
>
> I doubt there would be much difference due to convection. The main difference
> would be I would be pushing hot air off the CPU and GPU onto the cooler disks.

Would be interesting to see... though not enough where it is worth the effort.
:)

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 12:40:37 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>FromTheRafters wrote:
>> Paul formulated on Monday :
>>> knuttle wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have seen people driving alone in their cars wearing mask. Is this
>>>> logical who is going to contaminate them. The front seat?
>>>
>>> I can answer this one. If you're making frequent stops, it
>>> makes more sense to just leave it on.
>>>
>>> If I'm doing a "single stop" drive, I take it off after the
>>> mask-required time is done.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> We shouldn't be forgetting that the fomite vector still exists. I don't
>> wear a mask in my truck because nobody else drives it. If your vehicle
>> gets used by others, masking is still a good idea.
>
>The fomite vector still exists. Well, sort of.
>
>Updated Apr. 5, 2021
>
>https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html
>
> Paul

// Findings of these studies suggest that the risk of SARS-CoV-2
infection via the fomite transmission route is low, and generally less
than 1 in 10,000, which means that each contact with a contaminated
surface has less than a 1 in 10,000 chance of causing an infection //

Subject line changed. To break obnoxiously long troll thread.
Masks avoid TRANSMITTING DARWIN-19. If EVERYONE wore a mask,
it would never have become a pandemic.
If fact, nobody would even need to wear a mask anymore. The
disease would have died out from lack of transmission.
But there are too many people out there trying to prove Darwin
was right. Kudos. They're doing a fantastic job, so far.
95% of all fatal victims are anti-Vaxxers.
LOL
[]'s

--
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We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:42:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07kbkil2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>
>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>
>>>
>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>
>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>
> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.

Then we are all weak.

--
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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07kbimv2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> ...
>>>>
>>>> Not until it was close. And fires move VERY fast. So if my neighbor is insured
>>>> they will fight the fire miles from me for him? He is them paying for me.
>>>
>>> If you had insurance with fire protection, you'd phone up and say "there's a
>>> forest fire coming", or they'd already know. To protect themselves against
>>> having to pay for the damage to your house, they would chip in to put the fire
>>> out.
>>
>> The cost of the house would be FAR less than the cost of the work to put out
>> the fire. Many times less.
>
> Not if the choices are putting out one fire or paying for 500 houses.

You won't even wear a mask and you think people would pay voluntarily. Your
claims are contradictory.

>>>>> They are paid to make sure your home stays intact. They don't want to have to
>>>>> pay out for everything in your home, so they put the fire out. If the forest
>>>>> fire was threatening 500 homes, that's 500 policies that would pay for the
>>>>> fire to be put out.
>>>>
>>>> If the other 499 are paying for me why should I pay? Let their insurance go
>>>> up.
>>>
>>> You could if you wanted. But if a lot of people did that, there wouldn't be
>>> enough money to put the fire out and it would be cheaper to just pay for the
>>> lost houses. So, up to you, freedom of choice.
>>
>> Unless many people get the insurance the value goes down. More damage and loss
>> and suffering.
>>
>> I prefer to have less suffering and better services.
>
> Then choose to pay for them.

As with masks that does not work. You need to have it be done pretty much
universally.

> Most people would pay if the free fire service was taken away.

Again: you prove that wrong with your mask and vaccine resistance.

>
>>>> Hell, we see that with masks ... why should I wear a mask when others will.
>>>> YOU say that, don't you?
>>>
>>> Yes. Because masks aren't one way. That would be black magic.
>>
>> See: too many people deny the evidence and think only of themselves for the
>> libertarian ideas to possibly work.
>
> I use common sense.

You use that term to reject evidence. That is the opposite of common sense to
me.

> Explain to me how a mask knows which way the virus is going.

Who said it did? You made that assumption based on a LACK of common sense.

> And why don't you just wear it inside out?

Another example of your lack of common sense.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:39:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07kbf3ttmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:51:16 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:15:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gkzbjomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK? Does not break out the cause.
>>>>>
>>>>> It shows they're diminishing. Anyway, once we've all had it, nobody else can
>>>>> catch it.
>>>>
>>>> The same people can get new variants, potentially. But the idea is to reduce
>>>> the harm below what it would be if all got it, with so many dying and 1/3 of
>>>> the population having long term ill effects.
>>>
>>> And removing any chance of evolution making us tougher against such things.
>>
>> What is the value in watching people needlessly suffer and die?
>
> To get them out of the gene pool and to stop them wasting our resources.

So volunteer.

>
>>> You're sounding like you believe in god.
>>
>> One need not believe in a god to have morals... in fact such a belief, I
>> think, can often get in the way (which is not to suggest religious people
>> cannot be moral -- many are!)
>
> Morality is a belief almost as silly as god.

No society can exist without some sense of morality.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:38:54 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07kbe42lmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:50:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:15:49 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gk0nkamvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:34:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:17:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvrtgqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:05:16 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:42:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.0684sklomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:48:48 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:30:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.0669kvbpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:48:03 +0100, LegionX
>>>>>>>>> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HHI <HHI@imaginary.friend.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/25/21 11:24 PM, LegionX wrote:> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> Wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> in message:> >> One would think... but Gremlin was posting saying there was
>>>>>>>>>>> an explosion but he had not heard from himself.<>Gremlin didn't post
>>>>>>>>>>> anything. We did. We again invite you to> support your socking accusation
>>>>>>>>>>> snit. We supported ours when we> called you out for socking up as Sigmond.>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gremlin is not the sharpest tool in the shed, no matter what name he
>>>>>>>>>>> posts under.<>On Gremlins *worst days* he can still mop the floor with you
>>>>>>>>>>> on> *any tech subject* with fuckin ease. Any of us can.> >Gremlin only
>>>>>>>>>>> posts under one handle
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Shit. I forgot to mention Diesel.<> Snit. Diesel isn't a sock of Gremlins.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's an old handle he used
>>>>>>>>>> for the purposes of making things more difficult for the remailer
>>>>>>>>>> who revealed they had newbie level usenet search
>>>>>>>>>> skills.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Would you like to try again girlyman?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You know what we mean you sock using asshole.<> We aren't mind readers. And
>>>>>>>>>>> even if one of us was - snits is far
>>>>>>>>>> too over self medicated on benzos and booze for us to read
>>>>>>>>>> his.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody fucking cares.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gremlin has forgotten how to wrap. Odd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean learned how to not wrap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or wrap properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a stupid thing to do, as you have no idea how wide the recipient's
>>>>> monitor is.
>>>>
>>>> Wrapping properly or not at all is better than what Gremlin is managing these
>>>> days.
>>>
>>> Any wrapping annoys me. This post from you for example leaves the right half
>>> of my monitor plain white. I think it originally came from retards that have
>>> trouble following their eyes along longer lines.
>>
>> Either way avoids the hot mess coming from Gremlin, above.
>
> Almost everyone who wraps makes a mess after about 5 indentations. I've yet to
> see a newsreader which wraps sensibly - that's never to wrap a single word (or
> more importantly a URL), or any line which has been quoted, unless it cleverly
> rewraps the whole paragraph by pushing one word all the way down several
> lines.

Entourage actually handed that well. Other than that it was mostly garbage.

>
> This shit is what I see regularly from many people:
>
>>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
> blah
>>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
> blah
>>>>>>> Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
> blah
>>>>>> Reply reply reply reply reply reply reply reply reply
>>>>> More text
>>>> and so on
>>> argument
>> continues
> etc.
>
> Notice some blah is now attributed to the person who wrote etc.
>
> I also see:
> http://www.whatever.com/address/continues/and_then_falls_off_the
> end.html

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:47 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:12:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gkuzu0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:41 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvfsjgmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:57:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:37:55 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.0684lhcymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 21:12:13 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 26/07/2021 15.45, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:57:57 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:04:08 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.063ls6u3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bollocks, the fan makes no detectable noise when spinning at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum speed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It can run at lower speeds because of the making use of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convection cooling.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once it's spinning, convection cannot occur. The air is moving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faster than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convection.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One force does not stop when another starts, and presumably the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fan is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running all the time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Slow fans are not audible by humans.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When needed they speed up... and I bet what you say is not audible
>>>>>>>>>>>> often is.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Convection is not as good as a speeded up fan.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sure... but those made to work with convection have that as an
>>>>>>>>>> advantage. As
>>>>>>>>>> you note, though, there are tradeoffs.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If it's coming through the same hole, convection does nothing at all
>>>>>>>>> when the fan is running.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not fully correct :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The heat inside a chip goes to its surface by convection, and travels
>>>>>>>> the heatsink via convection, where it passes to the air flow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, conduction not convection in a solid. Convection would need the metal to
>>>>>>> move.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Get it hot enough and it will!
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't believe that would be within the design specs of the silicon.
>>>>
>>>> One way to find out.
>>>
>>> Been done already: https://youtu.be/Xf0VuRG7MN4
>>> Quite amazing watching the thermal throttle work. About time they put them in
>>> cars.
>>
>> Would be curious to see how an M1 handles that.
>
> In the UK, that sounds like a motorway leading to London.
>
> The Audi A4 is also stupidly named, since it's a sheet of paper.

The whole range is badly named. The smallest model is the A1 and the
largest saloon is the A8. Clearly that's the wrong way around.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>
>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>
>>>
>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>
>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>
> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.

Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s

On Aug 3, 2021 at 2:12:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <secbgo$r89$2@dont-email.me>:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>
>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>
>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>
> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s

How big is an idea? :)

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> posted this:

> FromTheRafters wrote:
>> Paul formulated on Monday :
>>> knuttle wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have seen people driving alone in their cars wearing mask. Is this
>>>> logical who is going to contaminate them. The front seat?
>>>
>>> I can answer this one. If you're making frequent stops, it
>>> makes more sense to just leave it on.
>>>
>>> If I'm doing a "single stop" drive, I take it off after the
>>> mask-required time is done.
>>>
>>> Paul
>>
>> We shouldn't be forgetting that the fomite vector still exists. I don't
>> wear a mask in my truck because nobody else drives it. If your vehicle
>> gets used by others, masking is still a good idea.
>
> The fomite vector still exists. Well, sort of.
>
> Updated Apr. 5, 2021
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surfa
> ce-transmission.html
>
> Paul
>

There's also the vehicular consideration of a small, closed ventilation
environment, especially when the A/C is running... on an older vehicle...
with accumulations of dust [dead skin cells included] and oils over the
years which would be a haven for viruses to lie dormant then abruptly
dislodge, unfiltered... Are you going to carry passengers? Are you going
to a drive-through fast-food outlet?

How many people disinfect their vehicles? (While remaining outside the
vehicle using a spray can of Lysol while the A/C is running on MAX for a
few minutes...)

It's all boiling down to a risk vs. gain contemplation because we're not
really getting solid scientific information inasmuch as we are constantly
being innundated with highly slanted opinions... Especially from this crop
of media-whore "doctors" trotted out by our mainstream propaganda outlets
and especially by ersatz "Conservative" media who seem be locked-and-loaded
against any ideation this "Liberal" government proffers...

And WAY TOO MANY "studies" are being withheld...

We're immersed in a culture where most people have been indoctrinated on
WHAT to think - and they rely heavily on government and media to tell them
WHAT to think - instead of being taught HOW to think, gather information -
from ALL sides of any given issue - and formulate a viable conclusion which
consists of a Plan-A, Plan-B, Plan-C, etc., etc., etc...

It's a day and age when people need to look out for themselves and for each
other because the petty political squabbles are overpowering real-life
issues we are being faced with; to wit, SIMPLE SURVIVAL! Republicans want
us to "rock it out and walk it off" while Socialists want to tax and spend
our way into oblivian and countless future generations of back-breaking
debt...

The statistics coming out of India aren't very relevant because they didn't
use the mRNA type vaccinations that we in the US did. (By the way, the
Johnson and Johnson vaccination is not an mRNA vaccination - which further
muddles the calculations...) Also, sources in India are now admitting that
their methods were sloppy and hasty and their standards were lower than
might have been expected because of their haste... This is where the "Delta
Varient" seems to have originated. The Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech seem to
be more effective against the Delta mutation than the Johnson and Johnson;
however no verified "studies" have been commissioned... It's all aggregated
using reliable anecdotal reports.

There's 'vaccination immunity' which varies depending on the type of
vaccination; 'natural immunity', contained by certain lucky individuals;
'acquired immunity', obtained by encountering the disease and surviving it
[or, like with flu shots over the years then encountering a whole different
strain of influenza - you still have some protection from the worst of its
potential symptoms]; 'shared acquired immunity', derived by a transfusion
from someone who encountered the disease and survived; and, 'adaptive
immunity', like being vaccinated for smallpox using the cowpox organism...
There remains the possibility of 'diminushing immunity' which could be
caused by any number of factors including individual biology, the type of
vaccine, a person's general medical history reacting to the vaccine... Or
the virus substantially mutating.

This is may be why some people who have been vaccinated are testing
positive, or getting less-serious afflictions of shorter duration... It
should be proof enough that immune people can still carry and transmit the
virus, and in any case, we should all continue to keep our guard up until
this pestulance is more fully contained.

The spiking numbers in the USA are almost all unvaccinated, and now
disproportionately younger adults and children... That should instill a
healthy fear in most reasonable people. Especially if you have any familial
connection to any young people who have not been vaccinated.

We are still dealing with an organism that has only been in existance out
in the open for less than 2-years. How long did it take humanity to
control other pandemics and at what cost to us until a solution was arrived
at?

Wearing a mask is simply a simple thing we can do to protect ourselves from
contracting the virus; to help contain the spread of the virus if we are
latently carrying it; set a positive example for others who are
legitimately concerned [or should be]; and help people who are vulnerable
feel more safe.

It's such a small thing - a petty sacrifice - when weighed against the
looming possibility of more government shutdowns of our society and
economy.

I'm dangerously close to being in favor of government mandated masks and
vaccinations because like everything else in history only a few idiots can
cause such collosal havoc for everybody else.

Perhaps they're simply not aware or they simply don't care. Either way, we
all suffer from their bad choices. Such choices are too many times based on
a lack of accurate or just plain evil misinformation.

Taking a deep breath and zoom out to ~50,000 ft. altitude, WHO do Americns
think is causing all this "controversy" over masking and vaccinations? It
wouldn't be the same CCP that unleased the bioweapon in the first place,
would it? Oh no, that couldn't happen in our perfect system of things...

OR COULD IT? ~35.5 million cases and ~620,000 deaths in the USA and
someone is almost certain to call me a "conspiracy theorist".

M'k.

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And *NO*, that is *NOT* a Jedi Light Saber I have in my pocket!

But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy to see you either.

On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:55:07 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:08:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07gko9u2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:23:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:11:09 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07cvgvncmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really don't give a *fuck*what you do, as you're only a lone cockroach
>>>>>>>>>> in my book.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rene
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why be so cruel to cockroaches?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I kill all insects. They didn't ask to enter my property.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was their ancestors property you stole.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They don't have title deeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> They are very, very tiny.
>>>>
>>>> I must have stood on it.
>>>
>>> You encRoached on their territory.
>>
>> FFS....
>
> Did it bug you?

Regrettably you are too far away to punch.

On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:55:36 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:08:47 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07gkoxhymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:23:14 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07cvilr7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:59:32 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:35:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.0684gzj1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At least for now that is correct.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope. I am an atheist... even in computers I say use what is best for you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your logic has failed then, because Apple is never the best choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it is not for you then don't get one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not for anyone. It's incompatible with most people. It costs more for the
>>>>>> same specs. You have a smaller base of programs and people to help you with
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> You say you do not like Macs but went out of your way to make a Hackintosh. :)
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't out of my way, I was building a normal desktop PC, just out of
>>>> particular parts.
>>>
>>> And just happened to make one that would work as a Hackintosh, and then got
>>> macOS and installed it. Hmmmm....
>>
>> I was told to. I was telling you it wasn't difficult.
>
> But you still went out of your way to do so... it was not an accident.

What? I did nothing out of my way, it was no more difficult than building any other computer. Half of the computers I built were to specs provided by the customers. I'd have a few standard ones I recommended, and people would say they particularly wanted a certain MB, GPU, etc.

> But you only managed to get one version of macOS running on it.

I installed the latest, I saw no point in trying an older out of date one, and I could hardly try one that wasn't out yet.

On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:32:10 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 01/08/2021 23:05, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 2:47:52 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se74q8$aok$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again) right now.
>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and you think
>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>
>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is when it
>>>> reaches him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>>> slower. Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>
>>> To a small degree. The main point is that your mask only protects one
>>> person receiving the virus (you) whereas it stops you spreading it to
>>> pretty much anyone you're in close contact with. It's a very uneven
>>> equation in favour of protecting others.
>>
>> And even with you it protects the mouth and the nose but not the eyes. And
>> with the mouth and the nose air still comes in from poor fitting (common).
>> Even with a poor fit your droplets tend to not go NEARLY as far. This is why
>> it is best to have a mask AND social distance.
>
> Yup. It all adds up.

To a bunch of worry warts. Do you fit five seatbelts to your car?

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:49:26 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:46 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07igo8crmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:49:03 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:17:42 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gk3sqtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have very sensitive hearing... but have a hard time "blocking out"
>>>>>>>>> background noise. Comes with the dysautonomia I have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then you should be like me. If you stop an annoying noise, you just end up
>>>>>>>> hearing the next loudest one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Distance also plays some role in it. I do not mind noises as much if they are
>>>>>>> not as close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Annoyance = volume/distance.
>>>>>
>>>>> To some extent, yes.
>>>>
>>>> To what extent isn't it?
>>>
>>> To the extent that it is, but in reverse.
>>
>> What? Louder volume is more annoying. More distance is less annoying.
>
> I was just being silly... there are other factors than distance. Tone,
> repetition, etc. Try listening to Baby Shark softly.

There is nothing more annoying than my parrot imitating a microwave bleep every 2 seconds for half an hour.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:50:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07igohdqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:42 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gk7ne7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again) right now.
>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and you think
>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>
>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is when it reaches
>>>> him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going slower.
>>>> Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>
>>> Your claims are contrary to the evidence on mask wearing.
>>
>> My claim is basic common sense, it's easier to stop a slow moving thing than a
>> fast moving thing.
>
> What you call "common sense" is your guess, and your guess is incorrect. You
> are not looking at evidence on spread but your own guesses as to what leads to
> the spread.

I don't guess that things fall down instead of up. I don't guess that faster moving air cools something quicker. I go by logic and experience.

On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:51:10 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:34:54 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07igkguhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
>>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
>>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the virus".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus attaching
>>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
>>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
>>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
>>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
>>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
>>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies because it
>>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
>>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more
>>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>>
>>>> Until you get a variant.
>>>
>>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>>
>> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>
> As you do with mask wearing. Why do you do that?

No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill. I won't do something to prevent something so trivial. Just as I don't build a nuclear fallout shelter.

>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>
>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>
>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>
>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we get an
>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>
>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're compromising
>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>
> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.

It would get stronger if it was required to be used. At this rate we won't be able to fight off a common cold.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:55:07 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:08:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gko9u2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:23:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:11:09 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvgvncmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I really don't give a *fuck*what you do, as you're only a lone cockroach
>>>>>>>>>>> in my book.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rene
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why be so cruel to cockroaches?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I kill all insects. They didn't ask to enter my property.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was their ancestors property you stole.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't have title deeds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They are very, very tiny.
>>>>>
>>>>> I must have stood on it.
>>>>
>>>> You encRoached on their territory.
>>>
>>> FFS....
>>
>> Did it bug you?
>
> Regrettably you are too far away to punch.
>

Punch has too much sugar for my tastes anyway.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 08:32:10 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 01/08/2021 23:05, Snit wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 2:47:52 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se74q8$aok$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again) right now.
>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and you think
>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>>
>>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is when it
>>>>> reaches him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>>>> slower. Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>>
>>>> To a small degree. The main point is that your mask only protects one
>>>> person receiving the virus (you) whereas it stops you spreading it to
>>>> pretty much anyone you're in close contact with. It's a very uneven
>>>> equation in favour of protecting others.
>>>
>>> And even with you it protects the mouth and the nose but not the eyes. And
>>> with the mouth and the nose air still comes in from poor fitting (common).
>>> Even with a poor fit your droplets tend to not go NEARLY as far. This is why
>>> it is best to have a mask AND social distance.
>>
>> Yup. It all adds up.
>
> To a bunch of worry warts. Do you fit five seatbelts to your car?
>

Hence why libertarianism can’t work.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:55:36 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:08:47 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gkoxhymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:23:14 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:12:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvilr7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:59:32 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:35:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.0684gzj1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.macrumors.com/guide/m1/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah like Intel and AMD are incapable of that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At least for now that is correct.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are a religious nut, bowing to the god of Apple.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope. I am an atheist... even in computers I say use what is best for you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your logic has failed then, because Apple is never the best choice.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If it is not for you then don't get one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's not for anyone. It's incompatible with most people. It costs more for the
>>>>>>> same specs. You have a smaller base of programs and people to help you with
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You say you do not like Macs but went out of your way to make a Hackintosh. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't out of my way, I was building a normal desktop PC, just out of
>>>>> particular parts.
>>>>
>>>> And just happened to make one that would work as a Hackintosh, and then got
>>>> macOS and installed it. Hmmmm....
>>>
>>> I was told to. I was telling you it wasn't difficult.
>>
>> But you still went out of your way to do so... it was not an accident.
>
> What? I did nothing out of my way, it was no more difficult than
> building any other computer.

You had more specific needs and had to do more specific research.

> Half of the computers I built were to specs provided by the customers.
> I'd have a few standard ones I recommended, and people would say they
> particularly wanted a certain MB, GPU, etc.
>
>> But you only managed to get one version of macOS running on it.
>
> I installed the latest, I saw no point in trying an older out of date
> one, and I could hardly try one that wasn't out yet.
>

My point stands. No evidence of other versions worked, just speculation
they would.

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