On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 10:20:08 -0400, Paul wrote:

>> BTW, what is Masonite?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonite
>
> or an alternative
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formica_%28plastic%29
>
> https://www.wikihow.com/Cut-Formica
>
> "Can you cut Formica with scissors?
>
> You can cut it with tin snips or special scissors
> that are designed to cut laminate. Regular craft scissors
> or kitchen shears likely won’t be strong enough."
>
> Formica would be thinner.
>
> Even a printed circuit board blank would
> do in a pinch. You could buy some double-sided,
> which has half ounce copper on either side. And
> they come in various thicknesses. Such as 62.5
> (1/16th of an inch).
>
> There's no lack of substrates.

But you need some rigidity in the support platform. I don't think
Formica would be rigid enough. PCB offcut would be.

On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
> Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>
>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>
>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>> You?
>
> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I recall. I
> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the city has
> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).

Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18
"Science is a differential equation; religion is a boundary condition."

On 2021-07-23 7:13 a.m., Mayayana wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
> | > Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the
> Macbook
> | > Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and
> while
> | > it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely
> does have
> | > a GPU.
> |
> | I intentionally buy all my laptops with that kind of graphics. I prefer
> | long battery life over graphic power.
> |
> | And not only my own laptops, but those I buy for other people - unless
> | when I find out when questioning them on their usage that they are game
> | players or some other usage that demands powerful graphics.
> |
>
> That's a good point that I don't think most people
> are even aware of. For many years now, integrated
> graphics has been plenty of power to run a large monitor
> with 32-bit color. In that sense, separate graphics cards
> are outdated technology. Only a small minority of people
> are trying to run games where 100 soldiers, or 100 naked
> beauties with realistic, flowing hair, need to be displayed
> and refreshed at top speed while your avatar kills them or
> fucks them, respectively.

Complete garbage. Most of the newer games require some graphics
acceleration at even the most modest of settings in your native
resolution. It's possible that some less demanding games from a few
years earlier will work fine on integrated graphics, but it's not a rule
and even the dumbest gamer will know to get something discrete. If a
person outright says that they will never play games, then integrated
graphics are fine but my rule is to make sure that a computer has
something which can at least handle SOME 3D in case that person changes
their mind about playing.

> It's the difference between a car and a sports car. One
> is for transportation. The other is for fun or sport. You
> could drive the sports car for transportation, but it's expensive
> and your bag of groceries might not even fit in the trunk.
> Your kids won't fit in the seats. The only thing it's really
> good for is driving very fast and announcing to others that
> you have a lot of money. Very, very few people drive sports
> cars. And it's the same with computers. A computer is for
> doing work. A gaming machine is for fun. Who uses
> them? Computer geeks who never grew up and some teenage
> boys, mostly. But they do account for many of the advances
> in computer technology, thanks to the fact that teenage boys
> (and geeky office workers who can't get a date) want their
> fantasy naked girls to be as realistic as possible.

It has nothing to do with realism but everything to do with smooth
playback. People can't handle anything less than 30FPS so it would be
smart to have a GPU which can at least get the gamer to that point. Some
_require_ 240FPS and a 240Hz panel but they're also willing to spend the
$4k or more to get it. If satisfying the user is of any kind of
importance, it's smart to sell them a unit which can deliver at least 60
GPS with medium settings in a current year's game.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18
"Science is a differential equation; religion is a boundary condition."

On 2021-07-23, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>> Snit wrote:
>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>
>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>
>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>> You?
>>
>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I recall. I
>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the city has
>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>
> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?

Gun control will never work.
How well did prohibition work out?

And the problem with stricter gun laws is that it will be the first
step toward taking away the right of the citizens to legally own
firearms.

This is the way the government works.
They take away your rights in incremental steps and before you know it,
that constitutional right no longer exists.

This is what they did, in the USA, with COVID.
First it was 2 weeks to "flatten the curve".
Then it was we need to social distance.
Then it was masks required.
Then it was shutting down entire cities.
etc.

Now it's just about to become the Scarlet Letter in reverse where if
you don't have proof of vaccine your mobility and ability to do things
will be severely limited.

And the next step will be a legal requirement to have the vaccine or
you will be rounded up and forced to take it.

Basically, if you give the government an inch they will take it and
make it grow until it's a mile or more.

--
pothead
Tommy Chong For President 2024
Lifetime Member of "The Prescott Parasite Eradication Team"
Ask snit how he pissed on his cat.
All about snit read below. Links courtesy of Ron:
https://web.archive.org/web/20181028000459/http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/snit.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20190529043314/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitlist.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20190529062255/http://cosmicpenguin.com/snitLieMethods.html

On 2021-07-23 8:47 a.m., pothead wrote:
> On 2021-07-23, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>> Snit wrote:
>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>
>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>
>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>>> You?
>>>
>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I recall. I
>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the city has
>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>
>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>
> Gun control will never work.
> How well did prohibition work out?

It made a bunch of Italians who otherwise would have submitted to a
lifetime of grunt work very wealthy and powerful.

> And the problem with stricter gun laws is that it will be the first
> step toward taking away the right of the citizens to legally own
> firearms.
>
> This is the way the government works.
> They take away your rights in incremental steps and before you know it,
> that constitutional right no longer exists.

The American Constitution, what I've long considered to be the greatest
legal document ever written, has been ignored for so long that speaking
about it has become pointless. I only hope that this takeover of the
United States by China which is rapidly destroying the fabric of society
will be reversed but I doubt that it will be. They have way too many
allies in the country, especially in academia and the legacy media, that
I don't foresee the country ever restoring itself to past greatness.

> This is what they did, in the USA, with COVID.
> First it was 2 weeks to "flatten the curve".
> Then it was we need to social distance.
> Then it was masks required.
> Then it was shutting down entire cities.
> etc.
>
> Now it's just about to become the Scarlet Letter in reverse where if
> you don't have proof of vaccine your mobility and ability to do things
> will be severely limited.
>
> And the next step will be a legal requirement to have the vaccine or
> you will be rounded up and forced to take it.
>
> Basically, if you give the government an inch they will take it and
> make it grow until it's a mile or more.

I honestly think that three years is as long as the people need to
resist this vaccine. By then, if the physicians stating that they are
causing microscopic blood clots are correct and that the "inoculated"
have condemned themselves to death within that time, then the government
will have no choice but to admit it, give their typical insincere
"sorry" to the surviving population and pretend that it wasn't part of
their plan before the public storms their offices and hangs every last
one of them.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18
"Science is a differential equation; religion is a boundary condition."

"Rabid Roach" <rabid@roa.ch> wrote

| Complete garbage.

Ah. Well articulated. :)

| If a
| person outright says that they will never play games, then integrated
| graphics are fine but my rule is to make sure that a computer has
| something which can at least handle SOME 3D in case that person changes
| their mind about playing.
|

The vast majority are not you or your teenage
friends. I have a neice who taught me about GTA.
Aside from that, the only people I know who play
computer games are solitaire fans. What you're
talking about is giving everyone a V8 pickup in case
they someday decide to pull a trailer. That possibility
is not so farfetched, but it's imposing your priorities on
others, so that lots and lots of people pay way too
much for a vehicle to buy groceries.

| It has nothing to do with realism but everything to do with smooth
| playback.

Same thing. People spend big money for top-shelf graphics
in order to get a flashy, realistic display. And they don't
need it for most software. They only need it for fantasy
games. For other uses, computers have had far more power
than they need for many years.

On 2021-07-23 11:09 a.m., Mayayana wrote:
> "Rabid Roach" <rabid@roa.ch> wrote
>
> | Complete garbage.
>
> Ah. Well articulated. :)
>
> | If a
> | person outright says that they will never play games, then integrated
> | graphics are fine but my rule is to make sure that a computer has
> | something which can at least handle SOME 3D in case that person changes
> | their mind about playing.
> |
>
> The vast majority are not you or your teenage
> friends. I have a neice who taught me about GTA.
> Aside from that, the only people I know who play
> computer games are solitaire fans. What you're
> talking about is giving everyone a V8 pickup in case
> they someday decide to pull a trailer. That possibility
> is not so farfetched, but it's imposing your priorities on
> others, so that lots and lots of people pay way too
> much for a vehicle to buy groceries.
>
>
> | It has nothing to do with realism but everything to do with smooth
> | playback.
>
> Same thing. People spend big money for top-shelf graphics
> in order to get a flashy, realistic display. And they don't
> need it for most software. They only need it for fantasy
> games. For other uses, computers have had far more power
> than they need for many years.
>
>

I play plenty of games from the steam store, Mainly a lot of mods for
Half-Life and Half-Life 2 and plentyof others, I have at present 81
games in my Steam library, and they all play fine on my AMD 5 3400G
Radeon Vega 11 integrated graphics.

Naturally I don't expect it to play the newest greatest high caliber
games, but I don't play those, Anyway they are too expensive at $70 or $80.

Rene

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:25:01 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 22, 2021 at 5:09:44 AM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
> <dedKI.52633$dp5.10563@fx48.iad>:
> ...
>>>
>>>> The TerryFlops32 is about the same as HD 5870.
>>>> The best video card you can buy, might be
>>>> fifteen times as much TerryFlops32. And the Leet
>>>> Floppers only count the FP64 ones (because the
>>>> video card companies charge thousands for the privilege
>>>> of having large amounts of those). For example, my
>>>> video card has an "integer ratio" between FP32 units
>>>> and FP64 units, that makes FP64ing with the thing
>>>> a waste of time.
>>>>
>>>> There's nothing wrong with that GPU. It's like
>>>> lots of other integrated graphics.
>>>
>>> Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
>>> excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
>>> like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
>>> the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
>>> machine.
>>
>> I didn't use it for long myself but decided to give it a go when I was
>> at a Best Buy at some point since its release. Unlike the previous
>> machines I used, which were admittedly G4 and G5 machines in addition to
>> my parents' underpowered Core i5 Mac Mini, Mac OS was very snappy and a
>> joy to use. I still wouldn't get the machine since gaming is a priority,
>> but it was definitely the most remarkable mobile non-gaming machine I've
>> laid my eyes upon. Apple is definitely doing things right in terms of
>> hardware if not in terms of free speech.
>
> Hardware and software, and to at least some extent privacy.

Correct on the last one, didn't they tell the FBI to fuck off with their Iphone backdoors?

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 02:23:01 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jul 21, 2021 at 5:12:42 PM MST, "Paul" wrote <sdad5q$fjg$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>
>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>
>> "The included GPU has 8 cores as well,
>> with 128 total compute units and 2.6 teraflops (FP32)
>> of throughput (there is one exception here: the
>> entry level MacBook Air uses a version of the
>> M1 with a 7-core GPU). The "unified memory"
>> replaces the need for separate RAM"
>>
>> Which means the GPU works the same way as Intel Graphics
>> on a laptop does. It uses system memory.
>
> Correct.
>
>> The TerryFlops32 is about the same as HD 5870.
>> The best video card you can buy, might be
>> fifteen times as much TerryFlops32. And the Leet
>> Floppers only count the FP64 ones (because the
>> video card companies charge thousands for the privilege
>> of having large amounts of those). For example, my
>> video card has an "integer ratio" between FP32 units
>> and FP64 units, that makes FP64ing with the thing
>> a waste of time.
>>
>> There's nothing wrong with that GPU. It's like
>> lots of other integrated graphics.
>
> Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
> excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
> like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
> the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
> machine.

If you're using it for a calendar, why are you buying anything fancy at all? Get a 486.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 05:23:50 +0100, LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:

> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>
>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It should come in one side and out the other.<
>
> Did you create this thread because Snit was getting a lot more
> attention than you? Be patient Peter and you will get your turn.
> You're on the regret list too. But you didn't qualify for 1st
> place - Snit did. Allow him the time to have a good and
> satisfactory moment of pride that isn't tied to sexual confusion
> for coming in a respectable position for once in his adult life.
>
> All he has known to this previously are participation awards and
> one of his poor offspring(this is one of those cases where you
> already know the kiddo is screwed at life - there parents sealed
> their fate) had to explain those. Can we say ackward parental
> bonding moment? Yes yes we can. Snit probably causes more than a
> few on a yearly basis.
>
> Do you think any of Snits children have friends over? We don't
> either. Having to explain why your "dad" talks sounds and acts
> like a girl we imagine would be a difficult thing to do. Having
> to explain that and the pocket teddy bear snit keeps close for
> mental comfort would stress any kid not wanting to become a
> laughing stock of the school. Kids can be so cruel. So that got
> us to thinking. How many billboards in Snits local could we rent
> to display our custom Snit vertising. How would his kids react to
> a picture of dad and his teddy bear with a caption suggesting
> they are with the pride movement and Snit is actively
> listening?
>
> Maybe we should rent a couple with that and a few more with a
> modified Snit pic on one side and the twenty ways he lies beside
> his pic. With an invite to call write or stop in for coffee and a
> discussion?
>
> You're somewhat creative in between bouts of inhaling too much
> ammonia from cat urine and your bird collection (Are you the
> male version of the American cat lady? That's the mental image we
> all have of you). Is your house the litterbox?
>
> What do you think of our Snitvertising ideas? We know you're a
> creative fuck when it comes mostly harmless meant in fun payback.
> As a gesture of goodwill - we will pay for a months supply of
> good flea meds for your cats and warm to hot bath for you. We
> understand you're the kind of person who doesn't firmly grasp the
> concept of personal hygiene - going by what someone who
> met/smelled you from a distance in person wrote about the
> experience.
>
> Act fast and we might even throw in a bar of quality British or
> American soap for you to bathe your nasty ass with.
>
> Oops sorry - you didn't come in at 2nd place either. That's a good
> thing though right? We all know 2nd place really means first
> loser position - where you and Snit have tied since you were both
> born.
>
> Don't forget to ask Snit what drugs he was drinking with when he
> thought that one of his eyeballs had left its eye socket and his
> head to go rolling around on the floor.
>
> Was he really looking for crack pebbles on the floor from a
> weekend long crack binge? And someone asked him what in the hell
> he was doing? So naturally to Snit it makes sense to claim he was
> looking for a missing eyeball. Didn't even have the presence of
> mind left to say he was looking for car keys.
>
> Maybe you can ask him about the circumstances which led upto him
> pissing on his own cat?
>
> Okay okay super easy question you can ask him then... What drugs
> was he doing at the time that convinced him that writing about
> thinking he lost an eyeball or pissing on his cat were subjects
> he should write about or share with anyone! Online? See. Easy
> question just like we said. We wait with eager anticipation like
> a small child around Christmas time for the honor and great
> privilege to read Snits answers to our questions about things
> he's written as having experienced.

Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:15:06 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/07/2021 08:05, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
>> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>
>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>
>>> You are mistaken
>>
>> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure most
>> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time, now they
>> seem like they are about to get interesting again.
>
> [OT]
>
> Brad lives in Melbourne. He was sick of the World, of Covid-19, Chinese
> belligerence, global warming, species extinction, racial tension and all
> the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy the media headlines.
>
> Brad drove his car into his garage at home, carefully sealed up around
> the windows and doorways of his garage, selected his favourite radio
> station and left his car at a slow idle.
>
> Two days later, his neighbour realising she had seen no sign of Brad for
> a while, peered through the garage window to see Brad at the wheel of
> his car. Immediately she phoned emergency services. Police, fire &
> rescue, and the ambulance arrived promptly.
>
> After pulling Brad from his car and giving him a sip of water, he seemed
> as good as gold. Brad drives a Tesla. It now has a flat battery. He
> also votes Green.

He never bought that Tesla with his own money. Nobody that stupid could afford one.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 15:09:56 +0100, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
>> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>> You are mistaken
>>
>> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure most
>> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time, now they
>> seem like they are about to get interesting again.
>>
>
> It's definitely not magic.
>
> And it's not an interesting time either.
>
> Now, put on your "hard thinking caps" for a moment.
>
> Do you remember your 1MHz processor, and what it could do ?
> I had one at work, which was "memory synchronous", which
> means for each CPU clock cycle, you could transfer an item
> on the bus, to memory. Memory back then was SRAM. This means,
> by some measure, the memory bus is "100% efficient".
>
> OK, now take your 3GHz processor and test it. Can you
> transfer 3 billion "items" to memory in a second. No,
> you can not.
>
> Memory access speed has not kept pace with CPU progress.
>
> We hide some of the agony with L1/L2/L3 cache, but
> it is still not enough. At some point, you need to
> access wide patches of DRAM, and you access the DRAM
> in random order (7ZIP compressor, dictionary access, many
> threads, many dictionaries).
>
> The end result is, a 3GHz processor is not 3000 times faster
> than a 1MHz processor. It's some smaller factor. And
> a 5GHz processor is not 5000 times faster than a 1MHz
> processor.
>
> Processors still talk to DRAM. DRAM still has slow
> transaction rates (a transaction typically being
> a cache line on the CPU).

I heard something about AMD putting all the RAM on the CPU, to make it much faster with a shorter wire between.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:02:42 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> On 2021-07-21 9:52 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>
>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>> powerful
>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's a
>>>> very
>>>> slow laptop?
>>>
>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>
>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks, and
>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>> amazingly fast
>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>
>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>> process that's been going on for decades.
>
> Just like there was "no way" Apple was going to just waltz in to the
> smartphone market...

They didn't make them any better than other makes.

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 10:44:50 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 21/07/2021 18:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>
>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>
>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>
>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>
> Are you really that dumb...?

I haven't been dumb above.

By the way dumb means unable to speak.

On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's
>>>>>> a very
>>>>>> slow laptop?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks,
>>>>> and
>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>
>>> Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
>>> processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
>>> successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
>>> from low-power mobile device space.
>>
>> I suppose you already know that Intel was in the ARM market
>> and got out. This is from 2006, to give you some idea
>> how long ago that was, that they dabbled in the stuff.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2006/06/27/intel_sells_xscale/
>>
>> It's not a question of capability. Intel has lots of
>> employees, it also regularly does M&A.
>>
>> But what is their strategy ?
>>
>> Have the legacy handcuffs been taken off ?
>>
>> Is that (partially) what Windows 11 is ?
>> A kind of signal ?
>>
>> There are many possible outcomes, but I've no idea
>> what ones make sense.
>
> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
> so why would they bother?
>
> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
> was a mature product when launched.

And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.

On 23/07/2021 18:23, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 08:15:06 +0100, David Brooks <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 22/07/2021 08:05, Snit wrote:
>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 11:58:47 PM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
>>> <sdb4v8$6aj$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-20 9:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>
>>>> You are mistaken
>>>
>>> While not magic, it is a pretty big leap... of the type I am not sure
>>> most
>>> people expected to see again. Things had slowed down for some time,
>>> now they
>>> seem like they are about to get interesting again.
>>
>> [OT]
>>
>> Brad lives in Melbourne.  He was sick of the World, of Covid-19, Chinese
>> belligerence, global warming, species extinction, racial tension and all
>> the rest of the disturbing stories that occupy the media headlines.
>>
>> Brad drove his car into his garage at home, carefully sealed up around
>> the windows and doorways of his garage, selected his favourite radio
>> station and left his car at a slow idle.
>>
>> Two days later, his neighbour realising she had seen no sign of Brad for
>> a while, peered through the garage window to see Brad at the wheel of
>> his car.  Immediately she phoned emergency services. Police, fire &
>> rescue, and the ambulance arrived promptly.
>>
>> After pulling Brad from his car and giving him a sip of water, he seemed
>> as good as gold.  Brad drives a Tesla.  It now has a flat battery.  He
>> also votes Green.
>
> He never bought that Tesla with his own money.  Nobody that stupid could
> afford one.

Ha! :-D

On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:27:57 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06zusv0dmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 23 Jul 2021 09:27:51 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's
>>>>>>> a very
>>>>>>> slow laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
>>>> processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
>>>> successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
>>>> from low-power mobile device space.
>>>
>>> I suppose you already know that Intel was in the ARM market
>>> and got out. This is from 2006, to give you some idea
>>> how long ago that was, that they dabbled in the stuff.
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.com/2006/06/27/intel_sells_xscale/
>>>
>>> It's not a question of capability. Intel has lots of
>>> employees, it also regularly does M&A.
>>>
>>> But what is their strategy ?
>>>
>>> Have the legacy handcuffs been taken off ?
>>>
>>> Is that (partially) what Windows 11 is ?
>>> A kind of signal ?
>>>
>>> There are many possible outcomes, but I've no idea
>>> what ones make sense.
>>
>> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
>> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
>> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
>> so why would they bother?
>>
>> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
>> was a mature product when launched.
>
> And they have millions of gullible users to pay through the nose for it.

Say I disagreed -- it is those same people you trust to voluntarily pay for
services you think are important.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:27:02 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06zurchhmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 10:44:50 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 21/07/2021 18:03, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>
>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>
>> Are you really that dumb...?
>
> I haven't been dumb above.
>
> By the way dumb means unable to speak.

My dumbbell does not ring.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:20:58 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06zug8thmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 05:23:50 +0100, LegionX
> <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> wrote:
>
>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>
>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap? It
>>> should come in one side and out the other.<> Did you create this thread
>>> because Snit was getting a lot more
>> attention than you? Be patient Peter and you will get your turn.
>> You're on the regret list too. But you didn't qualify for 1st
>> place - Snit did. Allow him the time to have a good and
>> satisfactory moment of pride that isn't tied to sexual confusion
>> for coming in a respectable position for once in his adult life.
>>
>> All he has known to this previously are participation awards and
>> one of his poor offspring(this is one of those cases where you
>> already know the kiddo is screwed at life - there parents sealed
>> their fate) had to explain those. Can we say ackward parental
>> bonding moment? Yes yes we can. Snit probably causes more than a
>> few on a yearly basis.
>>
>> Do you think any of Snits children have friends over? We don't
>> either. Having to explain why your "dad" talks sounds and acts
>> like a girl we imagine would be a difficult thing to do. Having
>> to explain that and the pocket teddy bear snit keeps close for
>> mental comfort would stress any kid not wanting to become a
>> laughing stock of the school. Kids can be so cruel. So that got
>> us to thinking. How many billboards in Snits local could we rent
>> to display our custom Snit vertising. How would his kids react to
>> a picture of dad and his teddy bear with a caption suggesting
>> they are with the pride movement and Snit is actively
>> listening?
>>
>> Maybe we should rent a couple with that and a few more with a
>> modified Snit pic on one side and the twenty ways he lies beside
>> his pic. With an invite to call write or stop in for coffee and a
>> discussion?
>>
>> You're somewhat creative in between bouts of inhaling too much
>> ammonia from cat urine and your bird collection (Are you the
>> male version of the American cat lady? That's the mental image we
>> all have of you). Is your house the litterbox?
>>
>> What do you think of our Snitvertising ideas? We know you're a
>> creative fuck when it comes mostly harmless meant in fun payback.
>> As a gesture of goodwill - we will pay for a months supply of
>> good flea meds for your cats and warm to hot bath for you. We
>> understand you're the kind of person who doesn't firmly grasp the
>> concept of personal hygiene - going by what someone who
>> met/smelled you from a distance in person wrote about the
>> experience.
>>
>> Act fast and we might even throw in a bar of quality British or
>> American soap for you to bathe your nasty ass with.
>>
>> Oops sorry - you didn't come in at 2nd place either. That's a good
>> thing though right? We all know 2nd place really means first
>> loser position - where you and Snit have tied since you were both
>> born.
>>
>> Don't forget to ask Snit what drugs he was drinking with when he
>> thought that one of his eyeballs had left its eye socket and his
>> head to go rolling around on the floor.
>>
>> Was he really looking for crack pebbles on the floor from a
>> weekend long crack binge? And someone asked him what in the hell
>> he was doing? So naturally to Snit it makes sense to claim he was
>> looking for a missing eyeball. Didn't even have the presence of
>> mind left to say he was looking for car keys.
>>
>> Maybe you can ask him about the circumstances which led upto him
>> pissing on his own cat?
>>
>> Okay okay super easy question you can ask him then... What drugs
>> was he doing at the time that convinced him that writing about
>> thinking he lost an eyeball or pissing on his cat were subjects
>> he should write about or share with anyone! Online? See. Easy
>> question just like we said. We wait with eager anticipation like
>> a small child around Christmas time for the honor and great
>> privilege to read Snits answers to our questions about things
>> he's written as having experienced.
>
> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?

Just looked at read posts. Good grief Gremlin is desperate for attention. Has
he ever lost it as badly as this?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:19:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06zudzwlmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 02:23:01 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 5:12:42 PM MST, "Paul" wrote <sdad5q$fjg$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your
>>>>>>>>>> lap?
>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>
>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU? No wonder it doesn't need a
>>>> fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>
>>> "The included GPU has 8 cores as well,
>>> with 128 total compute units and 2.6 teraflops (FP32)
>>> of throughput (there is one exception here: the
>>> entry level MacBook Air uses a version of the
>>> M1 with a 7-core GPU). The "unified memory"
>>> replaces the need for separate RAM"
>>>
>>> Which means the GPU works the same way as Intel Graphics
>>> on a laptop does. It uses system memory.
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>> The TerryFlops32 is about the same as HD 5870.
>>> The best video card you can buy, might be
>>> fifteen times as much TerryFlops32. And the Leet
>>> Floppers only count the FP64 ones (because the
>>> video card companies charge thousands for the privilege
>>> of having large amounts of those). For example, my
>>> video card has an "integer ratio" between FP32 units
>>> and FP64 units, that makes FP64ing with the thing
>>> a waste of time.
>>>
>>> There's nothing wrong with that GPU. It's like
>>> lots of other integrated graphics.
>>
>> Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
>> excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
>> like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
>> the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
>> machine.
>
> If you're using it for a calendar, why are you buying anything fancy at all?
> Get a 486.

That's not the only thing the computer is used for.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 23, 2021 at 10:18:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.06zuc2ismvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 18:25:01 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 5:09:44 AM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
>> <dedKI.52633$dp5.10563@fx48.iad>:
>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> The TerryFlops32 is about the same as HD 5870.
>>>>> The best video card you can buy, might be
>>>>> fifteen times as much TerryFlops32. And the Leet
>>>>> Floppers only count the FP64 ones (because the
>>>>> video card companies charge thousands for the privilege
>>>>> of having large amounts of those). For example, my
>>>>> video card has an "integer ratio" between FP32 units
>>>>> and FP64 units, that makes FP64ing with the thing
>>>>> a waste of time.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's nothing wrong with that GPU. It's like
>>>>> lots of other integrated graphics.
>>>>
>>>> Right. It will not compete with gaming systems but for general use it is
>>>> excellent. Was just using my wife's -- just to help set up calendars and the
>>>> like, so I did not push it in any way. But the system was speedy and cool for
>>>> the bit of web stuff, calendar fiddling, etc. that I did. Excellent little
>>>> machine.
>>>
>>> I didn't use it for long myself but decided to give it a go when I was
>>> at a Best Buy at some point since its release. Unlike the previous
>>> machines I used, which were admittedly G4 and G5 machines in addition to
>>> my parents' underpowered Core i5 Mac Mini, Mac OS was very snappy and a
>>> joy to use. I still wouldn't get the machine since gaming is a priority,
>>> but it was definitely the most remarkable mobile non-gaming machine I've
>>> laid my eyes upon. Apple is definitely doing things right in terms of
>>> hardware if not in terms of free speech.
>>
>> Hardware and software, and to at least some extent privacy.
>
>
> Correct on the last one, didn't they tell the FBI to fuck off with their
> Iphone backdoors?

They did.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 23, 2021 at 8:45:02 AM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
<4uBKI.81720$Vv6.14245@fx45.iad>:

> On 2021-07-23 8:47 a.m., pothead wrote:
>> On 2021-07-23, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>>>> You?
>>>>
>>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
>>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
>>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I recall. I
>>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the city has
>>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>>
>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>
>> Gun control will never work.
>> How well did prohibition work out?
>
> It made a bunch of Italians who otherwise would have submitted to a
> lifetime of grunt work very wealthy and powerful.
>
>> And the problem with stricter gun laws is that it will be the first
>> step toward taking away the right of the citizens to legally own
>> firearms.
>>
>> This is the way the government works.
>> They take away your rights in incremental steps and before you know it,
>> that constitutional right no longer exists.
>
> The American Constitution, what I've long considered to be the greatest
> legal document ever written, has been ignored for so long that speaking
> about it has become pointless.

It is not ignored -- it is used and referenced daily. I get how you right
wingers want to piss all over it as you toss out the very idea of a
representative government, and as you hate the founding principle of all
people being made equal (having equal rights), but those things matter to a
lot of us (liberals).

That does not mean the document is perfect, nor the people who wrote it, nor
even that they all agreed.

> I only hope that this takeover of the
> United States by China which is rapidly destroying the fabric of society
> will be reversed but I doubt that it will be. They have way too many
> allies in the country, especially in academia and the legacy media, that
> I don't foresee the country ever restoring itself to past greatness.

Why do you make such things up? Are you working on a fiction novel?

What you are showing is what we see on the right: to push their views they
have to actively work against the very idea of an education. And they think
colleges and universities are liberal because of some grand scheme. Nope.
There are two factors which make them be generally liberal:

1) People from multiple walks of life go there. People of different races and
cultures and views. It is hard to go there and keep yourself in a
narrow-minded worldview, just as it is in diverse cities. You see others and
learn your ways are not the only ways, and not necessarily the best ways.

2) You look at evidence and reason and logic, you study science and engage in
fact checking.

These two things are the opposite of what sustains the conservative movement,
so they hate education.

>> This is what they did, in the USA, with COVID.
>> First it was 2 weeks to "flatten the curve".
>> Then it was we need to social distance.
>> Then it was masks required.
>> Then it was shutting down entire cities.
>> etc.
>>
>> Now it's just about to become the Scarlet Letter in reverse where if
>> you don't have proof of vaccine your mobility and ability to do things
>> will be severely limited.
>>
>> And the next step will be a legal requirement to have the vaccine or
>> you will be rounded up and forced to take it.
>>
>> Basically, if you give the government an inch they will take it and
>> make it grow until it's a mile or more.
>
> I honestly think that three years is as long as the people need to
> resist this vaccine. By then, if the physicians stating that they are
> causing microscopic blood clots are correct and that the "inoculated"
> have condemned themselves to death within that time, then the government
> will have no choice but to admit it, give their typical insincere
> "sorry" to the surviving population and pretend that it wasn't part of
> their plan before the public storms their offices and hangs every last
> one of them.

See: You are actively and willfully not just ignorant, but you embrace the
most absurd of ideas. Such nonsense is hard to maintain if you get an
education.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Jul 23, 2021 at 2:06:39 AM MST, ""Carlos E. R."" wrote
<vddqshxjc5.ln2@minas-tirith.valinor>:

> On 22/07/2021 19.16, Snit wrote:
>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:46:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.06xvgchrmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:13:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2021 at 10:03:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.06v4b4ghmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:20:25 +0100, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 7:27 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 5:47 p.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2021-07-20 12:36 p.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>>>>> powerful laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it
>>>>>>>>> that's a very slow laptop?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It actually has the most powerful and power-efficient mobile processor
>>>>>>>> on the market. It truly is a marvel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They wasn't so bad i guess till they got run over by an M1A1. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I probably would have bought one when I was in the market for a laptop
>>>>>> at the beginning of last month, if gaming weren't something I was even
>>>>>> slightly interesting to me. In the end, it made more sense to get a
>>>>>> mobile gaming laptop (which is more or less of the same size as the
>>>>>> Macbook Pro) with a discrete GPU. This way, I have more than enough
>>>>>> power to run all applications and games AND access to the largest
>>>>>> library the world has ever seen.
>>>>>
>>>>> So the Mac mentioned above has no GPU?
>>>>
>>>> It does -- but it is an integrated one.
>>>>
>>>>> No wonder it doesn't need a fan. Not really a computer without graphics.
>>>>
>>>> It has graphics... and in real world use it works very well.
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/MtLIE74nl-0
>>>
>>> No, integrated graphics is a compromise. It'll manage a powerpoint
>>> presentation....
>>
>> Of course it is a compromise -- the world is full of them. With the Macbook
>> Air it is designed to be lightweight and have a long battery life, and while
>> it fits a lot of needs it is not a gaming machine. But it absolutely does have
>> a GPU.
>
> I intentionally buy all my laptops with that kind of graphics. I prefer
> long battery life over graphic power.

I think that is true for most. There are exceptions, such as gamers and those
who do a lot of video editing, but for the general user the extra video
capabilities do not matter.

> And not only my own laptops, but those I buy for other people - unless
> when I find out when questioning them on their usage that they are game
> players or some other usage that demands powerful graphics.

Yup.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Chris wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> Chris wrote:
>>> On 21/07/2021 17:52, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 17:53:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 20, 2021 at 9:36:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.06t8fdosmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2021 16:50:00 +0100, David Brooks
>>>>>> <DavidB@nomail.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 20/07/2021 16:42, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Why do laptops take air from underneath which won't work on your lap?
>>>>>>>> It should come in one side and out the other.
>>>>>>> The Apple M1 MacBook Air which, I bought for Mrs B., does even have a
>>>>>>> fan! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.apple.com/uk/macbook-air/
>>>>>> Unless they're worked out how to break the laws of physics, for a
>>>>>> powerful
>>>>>> laptop you need to get a lot of heat out of it, so I take it that's
>>>>>> a very
>>>>>> slow laptop?
>>>>> Nope. It is a very cool CPU.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.tomsguide.com/news/macbook-air-m1-benchmarks-revealed-and-they-destroy-windows-laptops
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Of course real world comparisons will not perfectly match benchmarks,
>>>>> and
>>>>> there is more to speed than CPU... but overall the M1 chips are
>>>>> amazingly fast
>>>>> for the tiny amounts of power they consume compared to Intel chips.
>>>> I'm sure there's a similar chip for a normal computer. There's no way
>>>> someone has suddenly made them much more efficient, this is a gradual
>>>> process that's been going on for decades.
>>> Nothing "sudden" about it. Apple have been designing efficient
>>> processors for over a decade. The step-change is that they've
>>> successfully applied Arm processors to the pro/consumer computing space
>>> from low-power mobile device space.
>> I suppose you already know that Intel was in the ARM market
>> and got out. This is from 2006, to give you some idea
>> how long ago that was, that they dabbled in the stuff.
>>
>> https://www.theregister.com/2006/06/27/intel_sells_xscale/
>>
>> It's not a question of capability. Intel has lots of
>> employees, it also regularly does M&A.
>>
>> But what is their strategy ?
>>
>> Have the legacy handcuffs been taken off ?
>>
>> Is that (partially) what Windows 11 is ?
>> A kind of signal ?
>>
>> There are many possible outcomes, but I've no idea
>> what ones make sense.
>
> I guess the issue is that Microsoft lost the desire to develop Windows RT
> (on Arm) due to the poor performance and unwillingness of third parties.
> That in turn meant intel didn't really have a market for a desktop Arm CPU
> so why would they bother?
>
> Apple had the advantage of building both the OS and CPU together so that it
> was a mature product when launched.
>

On the contrary, it's an embarrassment of riches.

The problem, is figuring out what to do with it.

These are philosophical issues. Go head to head with
Apple, use the patent portfolio (or vice versa). Or
go a "virtuous path" and hew a solution out of granite
using a pen knife. Both are technically possible.

Microsoft has some translation capability, to build
a backward-compatibility story. They have the IoT version
of Windows that runs on ARM. They've worked on putting
other peoples IP in the Windows Store. They have all sorts
of ingredients at their disposal.

Now, do you stand next to a wall and throw stuff at
it and see what sticks ?

It's as much a marketing problem, as a technical one.

Microsofts problem, is they still haven't learned how
to market. They acquired a dominant position, with the
help of their partner. Now, in a straight knife fight
in a back alley, would you bet on them ? I would not.

Take a look at the Windows 11 "launch" for how good
at this stuff they are. Or the Windows 10X "demo"
followed by 10X "cancellation".

What this means is, the technical side of the company
will need to do a mind-blowing job of it, so that
the marketing side of the company can sit on its
ass and drink coffee for the next generation. Whatever
they do next, has to be compromise-free. With the
right leadership and attitude, another firm with
that many people working on it, could probably do it.

Paul

On 2021-07-23 2:03 p.m., Snit wrote:
> On Jul 23, 2021 at 8:45:02 AM MST, "Rabid Roach" wrote
> <4uBKI.81720$Vv6.14245@fx45.iad>:
>
>> On 2021-07-23 8:47 a.m., pothead wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-23, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-22 11:44 p.m., AJL wrote:
>>>>> Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2021 at 8:48:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why you neanderthals still have guns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who is going to pay the government to stop people from having guns?
>>>>>> You?
>>>>>
>>>>> In a US city I lived in around 40 years ago the city council voted to
>>>>> buy guns (all types) from the public and then destroyed them. They had
>>>>> lots of takers. The program lasted for a couple of years as I recall. I
>>>>> don't remember if it did any good at the time but currently the city has
>>>>> the same gun problem as the rest in its size class (6M pop metro).
>>>>
>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>
>>> Gun control will never work.
>>> How well did prohibition work out?
>>
>> It made a bunch of Italians who otherwise would have submitted to a
>> lifetime of grunt work very wealthy and powerful.
>>
>>> And the problem with stricter gun laws is that it will be the first
>>> step toward taking away the right of the citizens to legally own
>>> firearms.
>>>
>>> This is the way the government works.
>>> They take away your rights in incremental steps and before you know it,
>>> that constitutional right no longer exists.
>>
>> The American Constitution, what I've long considered to be the greatest
>> legal document ever written, has been ignored for so long that speaking
>> about it has become pointless.
>
> It is not ignored -- it is used and referenced daily. I get how you right
> wingers want to piss all over it as you toss out the very idea of a
> representative government, and as you hate the founding principle of all
> people being made equal (having equal rights), but those things matter to a
> lot of us (liberals).

Remind us which side wants to limit both the First and the Second
Amendments.

> That does not mean the document is perfect, nor the people who wrote it, nor
> even that they all agreed.
>
>> I only hope that this takeover of the
>> United States by China which is rapidly destroying the fabric of society
>> will be reversed but I doubt that it will be. They have way too many
>> allies in the country, especially in academia and the legacy media, that
>> I don't foresee the country ever restoring itself to past greatness.
>
> Why do you make such things up? Are you working on a fiction novel?

Ignored.

< snip opinion I never asked for >

>> I honestly think that three years is as long as the people need to
>> resist this vaccine. By then, if the physicians stating that they are
>> causing microscopic blood clots are correct and that the "inoculated"
>> have condemned themselves to death within that time, then the government
>> will have no choice but to admit it, give their typical insincere
>> "sorry" to the surviving population and pretend that it wasn't part of
>> their plan before the public storms their offices and hangs every last
>> one of them.
>
> See: You are actively and willfully not just ignorant, but you embrace the
> most absurd of ideas. Such nonsense is hard to maintain if you get an
> education.

I saved the link and people are free to either watch physicians who
actually know what they're talking about
<https://tv.gab.com/channel/r04ch/view/doctors-admit-that-vaccinated-will-die-60fadc7a8d0a91ce5a5a0499>
or read your ignorance.

--
Rabid Roach
John 15:18
"Science is a differential equation; religion is a boundary condition."