On Aug 15, 2021 at 9:00:19 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfbdmj$sup$1@dont-email.me>:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 09:44:23 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 22:12:56 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>>>>
>>>> When everyone dies from the same thing it's not pathetic. When only some
>>>> die, they're pathetic.
>>>
>>> Not everyone dies from cyanide poisoning.
>>
>> Presumably the dosage is important. Or are there really people more tolerant
>> to it?
>
> There almost no absolutes in biology. Read up on LD50.

There is a massive amount of diversity in human biology. More than most
imagine.

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On Aug 15, 2021 at 8:37:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfbcbo$2u8$1@dont-email.me>:

> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 14, 2021 at 11:23:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote
>> <sf91n1$uk1$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 20:00:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>>>
>>>>> As usual you "heard" wrong. At worst the flu jab might be ineffectual
>>>>> because the strain you've caught isn't one of the ones you were inoculated
>>>>> against.
>>>>
>>>> I have heard of many old people around here getting seriously ill (at
>>>> least as bad as the flu) directly after the jab. So either the jab did
>>>> it, or they caught a different flu in the hospital.
>>>
>>> The jab didn't do it.
>>
>> About 10% of the people in the hospital with Covid have had the vaccine.
>
> Where?

The US. And according to this article it is not even 10% (5% or lower):

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html

>
>> The
>> percentage is lower for younger people (12 and up though) than it is for
>> seniors. Could be because seniors tend to be less healthy (go figure) or
>> because they were some of the first to get the shots.
>
> There are many possible reasons.

Sure. What other ideas do you have?

>
>> But even for them the difference is very significant.
>>

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Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> posted this via news:sfa3ek$cpa$2
@dont-email.me:

> On 2021-08-14 7:04 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 17:54:09 +0100, Alan Baker
>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-13 7:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken
<unsteadyken@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some
>>>>> years
>>>>> now.
>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>
>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>
>>> Oh, really?
>>>
>>> You've "heard" that, have you?
>>>
>>> �From whom?
>>
>> Say who and I'll answer.
>
> No... ...you won't and you and I both know it.

Here's the latest misinformation propaganda being promulgated by these
atypical personality disordered individuals and pandemic trolls:

"You DON'T NEED a vaccination if you have a sign in your yard or wear a t-
shirt that says 'Happy 60th Birthday, Barack Obama'" or words to that
effect.

Tell all your friends and neighbors NOT to believe this.

You might appreciate the way the mainstream media is NOT reporting on any
infections due to that Obama Birthday Celebration super-spreader event? It
was August 6-9, 2021. It's the old "If a tree falls in a forest, and
nobody is there to hear it, does it make any noise" conundrum. Also notice
our failed Fourth Estate and CPP PR organizations never reported the actual
number of attendees after widely parroting the claim that the event would
be "significantly scaled back due to current COVID-19 Delta Varient
concerns"... Residents of Martha's Vinyard take issue with those
narratives.

Google for "how many actually attended Obama's 60th birthday celebration"
and "original source for attendance at Obama's 60th birthday celebration"
to help understand how mainstream media and Big Tech throw a blanket over
facts essential to any given reasonable context.

"They" only report what "they" want you to hear and "they" blackout what
"they" don't want you to hear...

Is it any wonder people simply don't trust our government, our news media
or Big Tech to provide - or provide access to - relevant information?

"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, and Ignorance is Strength." -- 1984 by
George Orwell

(And all the mental midgets go "This is 2021, not 1984.")

M'k.

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And *NO*, that is *NOT* a Jedi Light Saber I have in my pocket!

But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy to see you either.

On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 04:59:16 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> On 2021-08-14 7:04 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 17:54:09 +0100, Alan Baker
>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-13 7:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some
>>>>> years
>>>>> now.
>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>
>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>
>>> Oh, really?
>>>
>>> You've "heard" that, have you?
>>>
>>> From whom?
>>
>> Say who and I'll answer.
>
> No... ...you won't and you and I both know it.

I answer everything I get time to.

On Sat, 14 Aug 2021 19:23:29 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 20:00:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>>>>> now.
>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>
>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>
>>> As usual you "heard" wrong. At worst the flu jab might be ineffectual
>>> because the strain you've caught isn't one of the ones you were inoculated
>>> against.
>>
>> I have heard of many old people around here getting seriously ill (at
>> least as bad as the flu) directly after the jab. So either the jab did
>> it, or they caught a different flu in the hospital.
>
> The jab didn't do it.

Maybe not directly, as I said it could be visiting a hospital.

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 18:47:18 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:46:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07tia9lpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:15:40 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07nzbza8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Never played so do not get the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Part of the game is building settlements. If you've collected anything which
>>>>>>>>>> contains the things you need, eg. aluminium, gears, plastic, then you just
>>>>>>>>>> insert those into the "workshop" and ask it to produce the thing you want.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Got it. Have seen similar... though can't even remember where.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are many building type games, but this one is good because of the
>>>>>>>> fighting in it too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I had it in front of me I might try it, but don't really seek playing
>>>>>>> games. To each their own.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I decide if I want to try a game by watching it being played by others on
>>>>>> Youtube.
>>>>>
>>>>> Makes sense. I have teens and sometimes get pulled into theirs.
>>>>
>>>> I like games that continue for months.
>>>
>>> I do table top role playing games that do that. Heck, my home game has lasted
>>> about 6 years.
>>
>> Sounds like what I like, but I prefer single player, with everything else
>> computer controlled.
>
> With tabletop games it is far more about story and socializing with friends
> (or family). A rather different breed of game.

Fallout 4 has story.

On Aug 16, 2021 at 8:08:27 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.0774cdkkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 18:47:18 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:46:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07tia9lpmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Thu, 05 Aug 2021 23:15:40 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2021 at 11:08:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07nzbza8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Never played so do not get the reference.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Part of the game is building settlements. If you've collected anything which
>>>>>>>>>>> contains the things you need, eg. aluminium, gears, plastic, then you just
>>>>>>>>>>> insert those into the "workshop" and ask it to produce the thing you want.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Got it. Have seen similar... though can't even remember where.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are many building type games, but this one is good because of the
>>>>>>>>> fighting in it too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I had it in front of me I might try it, but don't really seek playing
>>>>>>>> games. To each their own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I decide if I want to try a game by watching it being played by others on
>>>>>>> Youtube.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Makes sense. I have teens and sometimes get pulled into theirs.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like games that continue for months.
>>>>
>>>> I do table top role playing games that do that. Heck, my home game has lasted
>>>> about 6 years.
>>>
>>> Sounds like what I like, but I prefer single player, with everything else
>>> computer controlled.
>>
>> With tabletop games it is far more about story and socializing with friends
>> (or family). A rather different breed of game.
>
> Fallout 4 has story.

Many video games have one... but the choices are limited to what the
programmers considered. I am not, though, in any way against such games, I
just prefer the table top cooperative story telling ones more. Or maybe I
would like computer ones more if I gave the more of a chance... but to each
their own.

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On 2021-08-16 8:07 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 15 Aug 2021 04:59:16 +0100, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-14 7:04 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 17:54:09 +0100, Alan Baker
>>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-08-13 7:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken
>>>>> <unsteadyken@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some
>>>>>> years
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, really?
>>>>
>>>> You've "heard" that, have you?
>>>>
>>>>  From whom?
>>>
>>> Say who and I'll answer.
>>
>> No... ...you won't and you and I both know it.
>
> I answer everything I get time to.

A lovely cop out...

Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 15, 2021 at 8:37:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfbcbo$2u8$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 14, 2021 at 11:23:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>> <sf91n1$uk1$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 20:00:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As usual you "heard" wrong. At worst the flu jab might be ineffectual
>>>>>> because the strain you've caught isn't one of the ones you were inoculated
>>>>>> against.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have heard of many old people around here getting seriously ill (at
>>>>> least as bad as the flu) directly after the jab. So either the jab did
>>>>> it, or they caught a different flu in the hospital.
>>>>
>>>> The jab didn't do it.
>>>
>>> About 10% of the people in the hospital with Covid have had the vaccine.
>>
>> Where?
>
> The US. And according to this article it is not even 10% (5% or lower):
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html

All bar three states are 2% or less. I don't see a problem here. The
vaccine isn't 100% and 98% is pretty great coverage.

>>> The
>>> percentage is lower for younger people (12 and up though) than it is for
>>> seniors. Could be because seniors tend to be less healthy (go figure) or
>>> because they were some of the first to get the shots.
>>
>> There are many possible reasons.
>
> Sure. What other ideas do you have?

For a start younger people are less likely to get sick and also less likely
to have been vaccinated. The elderly have weaker immune systems so the
vaccine may not always work. Plus lots of other reasons.

>>
>>> But even for them the difference is very significant.
>>>
>
>

On Aug 16, 2021 at 2:18:37 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfeknd$r6f$1@dont-email.me>:

> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 15, 2021 at 8:37:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfbcbo$2u8$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 14, 2021 at 11:23:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>>> <sf91n1$uk1$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 20:00:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As usual you "heard" wrong. At worst the flu jab might be ineffectual
>>>>>>> because the strain you've caught isn't one of the ones you were inoculated
>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have heard of many old people around here getting seriously ill (at
>>>>>> least as bad as the flu) directly after the jab. So either the jab did
>>>>>> it, or they caught a different flu in the hospital.
>>>>>
>>>>> The jab didn't do it.
>>>>
>>>> About 10% of the people in the hospital with Covid have had the vaccine.
>>>
>>> Where?
>>
>> The US. And according to this article it is not even 10% (5% or lower):
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html
>
> All bar three states are 2% or less. I don't see a problem here. The
> vaccine isn't 100% and 98% is pretty great coverage.

Did not realize it was quite that high. Even better news than I thought. Do
you know when the reporting was from? Does it include data from before the
Delta variant was widespread? If so I would expect the 2% to increase some
(not much, though).

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On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:18:49 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> On 2021-08-08 10:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:34:23 +0100, Alan Baker
>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-06 11:15 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>>> winding road.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared
>>>> of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere.
>>>> Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>>>
>>> Do you think you're a wimp if you don't want people to die needlessly?
>>>
>>> Interesting... ...no: just sad.
>>
>> You're worrying about chances, not definites. It's fine to be scared if
>> you fall out of a plane with no parachute, but not if there's a tiny
>> tiny chance of catching something that probably won't kill you.
>
> I'm not scared by it. I'm taking appropriate steps to reduce the chance
> that I or anyone I encounter gets ill and potentially dies.
>
> You DO understand that a LOT of people have died, right?

Not enough for me to be concerned it could be me. It's under 1 in 100.

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:46:03 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:02:40 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07ti2qqxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>>>>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>>>>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>>>>> A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
>>>>> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
>>>>> actions.
>>>>
>>>> Ummmm.... ...no.
>>>>
>>>> Common sense is not just what one personally decides.
>>>
>>> What is common sense is not something different people will agree on... where
>>> evidence you can at least point to sources and backing.
>>
>> Everyone knows what common sense is.
>
> But they do not agree what it is... making it useless in a debate:
>
> Person 1: It is common sense to do A.
> Person 2: It is common sense to do B.
>
> Then what? I say go with evidence.

No, common sense is agreed upon by everyone, that's what the word common means.

For example, having done X three times and broken your leg on all three occasions, you can conclude you shouldn't do it again.

On Aug 17, 2021 at 7:39:34 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.079xn8f8mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:46:03 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:02:40 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07ti2qqxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>>>>>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>>>>>> A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
>>>>>> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
>>>>>> actions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ummmm.... ...no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Common sense is not just what one personally decides.
>>>>
>>>> What is common sense is not something different people will agree on... where
>>>> evidence you can at least point to sources and backing.
>>>
>>> Everyone knows what common sense is.
>>
>> But they do not agree what it is... making it useless in a debate:
>>
>> Person 1: It is common sense to do A.
>> Person 2: It is common sense to do B.
>>
>> Then what? I say go with evidence.
>
> No, common sense is agreed upon by everyone, that's what the word common means.

So when people disagree neither can claim their view is "common sense". OK.
This discounts your usage.

> For example, having done X three times and broken your leg on all three
> occasions, you can conclude you shouldn't do it again.

Unless there is a damned good reason to do it again, I would agree.

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On Aug 17, 2021 at 7:38:38 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.079xmooomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:18:49 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-08 10:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:34:23 +0100, Alan Baker
>>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-08-06 11:15 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>>>> winding road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared
>>>>> of stuff? Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere.
>>>>> Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think you're a wimp if you don't want people to die needlessly?
>>>>
>>>> Interesting... ...no: just sad.
>>>
>>> You're worrying about chances, not definites. It's fine to be scared if
>>> you fall out of a plane with no parachute, but not if there's a tiny
>>> tiny chance of catching something that probably won't kill you.
>>
>> I'm not scared by it. I'm taking appropriate steps to reduce the chance
>> that I or anyone I encounter gets ill and potentially dies.
>>
>> You DO understand that a LOT of people have died, right?
>
> Not enough for me to be concerned it could be me. It's under 1 in 100.

You are not concerned about other people suffering and dying. That is an issue
with you.

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On 16/08/2021 23:45, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 16, 2021 at 2:18:37 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfeknd$r6f$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 15, 2021 at 8:37:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfbcbo$2u8$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Aug 14, 2021 at 11:23:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>>>> <sf91n1$uk1$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 20:00:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As usual you "heard" wrong. At worst the flu jab might be ineffectual
>>>>>>>> because the strain you've caught isn't one of the ones you were inoculated
>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have heard of many old people around here getting seriously ill (at
>>>>>>> least as bad as the flu) directly after the jab. So either the jab did
>>>>>>> it, or they caught a different flu in the hospital.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The jab didn't do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> About 10% of the people in the hospital with Covid have had the vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> Where?
>>>
>>> The US. And according to this article it is not even 10% (5% or lower):
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html
>>
>> All bar three states are 2% or less. I don't see a problem here. The
>> vaccine isn't 100% and 98% is pretty great coverage.
>
>
> Did not realize it was quite that high. Even better news than I thought. Do
> you know when the reporting was from? Does it include data from before the
> Delta variant was widespread? If so I would expect the 2% to increase some
> (not much, though).

From the above link:

"Methodology

The Times asked all 50 states and Washington, D.C., to provide data on
breakthrough infections, hospitalizations and deaths of fully vaccinated
people, roughly spanning back to the first months of the vaccination
campaign at the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021. Many of the states
provided data through June or July, which may not account for the recent
surge in Delta variant infections. In every state providing information,
hospitalizations and deaths among fully vaccinated people accounted for
a small minority of the totals."

On Aug 17, 2021 at 8:06:46 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfgja8$neh$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 16/08/2021 23:45, Snit wrote:
>> On Aug 16, 2021 at 2:18:37 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfeknd$r6f$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 15, 2021 at 8:37:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sfbcbo$2u8$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Aug 14, 2021 at 11:23:29 AM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>>>>> <sf91n1$uk1$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 20:00:53 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris says...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As usual you "heard" wrong. At worst the flu jab might be ineffectual
>>>>>>>>> because the strain you've caught isn't one of the ones you were inoculated
>>>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have heard of many old people around here getting seriously ill (at
>>>>>>>> least as bad as the flu) directly after the jab. So either the jab did
>>>>>>>> it, or they caught a different flu in the hospital.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The jab didn't do it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About 10% of the people in the hospital with Covid have had the vaccine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where?
>>>>
>>>> The US. And according to this article it is not even 10% (5% or lower):
>>>>
>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/08/10/us/covid-breakthrough-infections-vaccines.html
>>>
>>> All bar three states are 2% or less. I don't see a problem here. The
>>> vaccine isn't 100% and 98% is pretty great coverage.
>>
>>
>> Did not realize it was quite that high. Even better news than I thought. Do
>> you know when the reporting was from? Does it include data from before the
>> Delta variant was widespread? If so I would expect the 2% to increase some
>> (not much, though).
>
> From the above link:
>
> "Methodology
>
> The Times asked all 50 states and Washington, D.C., to provide data on
> breakthrough infections, hospitalizations and deaths of fully vaccinated
> people, roughly spanning back to the first months of the vaccination
> campaign at the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021. Many of the states
> provided data through June or July, which may not account for the recent
> surge in Delta variant infections. In every state providing information,
> hospitalizations and deaths among fully vaccinated people accounted for
> a small minority of the totals."

Thanks. That answers the question... and suggests the rates will go up some. I
cannot point to sources quickly, but I think for the Delta variant I have read
preliminary studies say 5% or so, which is still pretty darn good.

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Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:46:03 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:02:40 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07ti2qqxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>>>>>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>>>>>> A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
>>>>>> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
>>>>>> actions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ummmm.... ...no.
>>>>>
>>>>> Common sense is not just what one personally decides.
>>>>
>>>> What is common sense is not something different people will agree on... where
>>>> evidence you can at least point to sources and backing.
>>>
>>> Everyone knows what common sense is.
>>
>> But they do not agree what it is... making it useless in a debate:
>>
>> Person 1: It is common sense to do A.
>> Person 2: It is common sense to do B.
>>
>> Then what? I say go with evidence.
>
> No, common sense is agreed upon by everyone, that's what the word common means.

No. It means "basic". The problem with "common sense" isn't agreed upon.
This thread is a perfect example. You're claiming something as obviously
"common sense", yet no-one agrees. So by your definition what you're
claiming is common sense actually isn't.

I'm glad we've cleared that up.

> For example, having done X three times and broken your leg on all three
> occasions, you can conclude you shouldn't do it again.

That's evidence of cause and effect. Again by your definition of common
doesn't require - and actually goes against - any evidence.

On Aug 17, 2021 at 12:54:10 PM MST, "Chris" wrote
<sfh451$kia$1@dont-email.me>:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:46:03 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:02:40 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07ti2qqxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>> You may think it is no judge, but common sense say it is not a good idea
>>>>>>> to stand in the middle of field with an umbrella in a lightning storm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Common sense is an personnel analysis of the facts in your environment.
>>>>>>> A political hack or government bureaucrat in some far of city who has
>>>>>>> never been in your environment can not make binding decision on your
>>>>>>> actions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ummmm.... ...no.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Common sense is not just what one personally decides.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is common sense is not something different people will agree on... where
>>>>> evidence you can at least point to sources and backing.
>>>>
>>>> Everyone knows what common sense is.
>>>
>>> But they do not agree what it is... making it useless in a debate:
>>>
>>> Person 1: It is common sense to do A.
>>> Person 2: It is common sense to do B.
>>>
>>> Then what? I say go with evidence.
>>
>> No, common sense is agreed upon by everyone, that's what the word common means.
>
> No. It means "basic". The problem with "common sense" isn't agreed upon.
> This thread is a perfect example. You're claiming something as obviously
> "common sense", yet no-one agrees. So by your definition what you're
> claiming is common sense actually isn't.

Yup. And that's just common sense!

> I'm glad we've cleared that up.
>
>> For example, having done X three times and broken your leg on all three
>> occasions, you can conclude you shouldn't do it again.
>
> That's evidence of cause and effect. Again by your definition of common
> doesn't require - and actually goes against - any evidence.

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On 2021-08-17 7:38 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:18:49 +0100, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-08 10:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:34:23 +0100, Alan Baker
>>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2021-08-06 11:15 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>>> wanting to
>>>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is:  With no cars visible in any
>>>>>> direction,
>>>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>>>> winding road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>>> scared
>>>>> of stuff?  Well they've taken over.  Health and softy everywhere.
>>>>> Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut
>>>>> feeling.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think you're a wimp if you don't want people to die needlessly?
>>>>
>>>> Interesting... ...no: just sad.
>>>
>>> You're worrying about chances, not definites.  It's fine to be scared if
>>> you fall out of a plane with no parachute, but not if there's a tiny
>>> tiny chance of catching something that probably won't kill you.
>>
>> I'm not scared by it. I'm taking appropriate steps to reduce the chance
>> that I or anyone I encounter gets ill and potentially dies.
>>
>> You DO understand that a LOT of people have died, right?
>
> Not enough for me to be concerned it could be me.  It's under 1 in 100.

Really?

How many people do you know?

How many in your family?

How many friends?

Why do you want all of them to live with what you find as an acceptable
risk?

Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> On 2021-08-17 7:38 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:18:49 +0100, Alan Baker
>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-08 10:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 19:34:23 +0100, Alan Baker
>>>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2021-08-06 11:15 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle
>>>>>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not
>>>>>>>> wanting to
>>>>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is:  With no cars visible in any
>>>>>>> direction,
>>>>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>>>>> winding road.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps.
>>>>>> Remember when you were at school and made fun of people who were
>>>>>> scared
>>>>>> of stuff?  Well they've taken over.  Health and softy everywhere.
>>>>>> Everyone thinks of the worst case scenario instead of using gut
>>>>>> feeling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think you're a wimp if you don't want people to die needlessly?
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting... ...no: just sad.
>>>>
>>>> You're worrying about chances, not definites.  It's fine to be scared if
>>>> you fall out of a plane with no parachute, but not if there's a tiny
>>>> tiny chance of catching something that probably won't kill you.
>>>
>>> I'm not scared by it. I'm taking appropriate steps to reduce the chance
>>> that I or anyone I encounter gets ill and potentially dies.
>>>
>>> You DO understand that a LOT of people have died, right?
>>
>> Not enough for me to be concerned it could be me.  It's under 1 in 100.
>
> Really?
>
> How many people do you know?
>
> How many in your family?
>
> How many friends?
>
> Why do you want all of them to live with what you find as an acceptable
> risk?

I suspect he has no friends and probably doesn't get on with his family.

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:46:52 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:01:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07ti0ojdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 22:33:56 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>>> winding road.
>>>>>
>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>>
>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps. Remember
>>>> when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared of stuff?
>>>> Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere. Everyone thinks
>>>> of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>>>
>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental deaths.
>>>
>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or wrong.
>>
>> They're a very good judge, and they should always be your decision to make.
>> Forcing someone to protect themselves is just wrong. We must always be able to
>> choose to risk ourselves.
>
> With road rules and mask mandates it is about protecting OTHERS. Many on the
> right think they have the right to harm others.

You need to learn the difference between harming others and not protecting others.

If I run you over, I've harmed you.

If I don't stop you from crossing the road in front of a bus, I've not protected you.

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:47:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:00:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07tiy21umvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 21:53:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:29:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07puzgm6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then we are all weak.
>>>>
>>>> The variance is great, some are much stronger/weaker than others. Allow the
>>>> weak to go away, and all is well.
>>>
>>> You make a lot of very bad assumptions.
>>
>> What assumption?
>
> Your whole idea of weakest, as one example. It is not a single score like in a
> video game.

It doesn't have to be. We are weak in many ways, best to weed out those that fail something. This is how evolution works, or used to before we fucked up and started intervening, letting the useless people survive and procreate.

On Aug 18, 2021 at 8:21:14 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.08bt9ot4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:47:20 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:00:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07tiy21umvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 21:53:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:29:30 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07puzgm6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then we are all weak.
>>>>>
>>>>> The variance is great, some are much stronger/weaker than others. Allow the
>>>>> weak to go away, and all is well.
>>>>
>>>> You make a lot of very bad assumptions.
>>>
>>> What assumption?
>>
>> Your whole idea of weakest, as one example. It is not a single score like in a
>> video game.
>
> It doesn't have to be. We are weak in many ways, best to weed out those that
> fail something. This is how evolution works, or used to before we fucked up
> and started intervening, letting the useless people survive and procreate.

Evolution is not a moral code.

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On Aug 18, 2021 at 8:20:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.08bt71c6mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:46:52 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 8, 2021 at 11:01:26 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07ti0ojdmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 22:33:56 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 13:01:06 +0100, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>>>>>>> follow the rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
>>>>>> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
>>>>>> light to allow you to cross the street.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
>>>>>> winding road.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
>>>>>> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
>>>>>> no one is in the stadium.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with modern society is we've been overrun by wimps. Remember
>>>>> when you were at school and made fun of people who were scared of stuff?
>>>>> Well they've taken over. Health and softy everywhere. Everyone thinks
>>>>> of the worst case scenario instead of using gut feeling.
>>>>
>>>> And guess what? Road deaths are lower than ever as are accidental deaths.
>>>>
>>>> Gut feelings and common sense are no judge of what's right or wrong.
>>>
>>> They're a very good judge, and they should always be your decision to make.
>>> Forcing someone to protect themselves is just wrong. We must always be able to
>>> choose to risk ourselves.
>>
>> With road rules and mask mandates it is about protecting OTHERS. Many on the
>> right think they have the right to harm others.
>
> You need to learn the difference between harming others and not protecting
> others.
>
> If I run you over, I've harmed you.
>
> If I don't stop you from crossing the road in front of a bus, I've not
> protected you.

And if you walk around not wearing a mask, or you run a red light, or you
drive on the left, you are needlessly risking the lives of others based on
your own ignorance or sense of entitlement.

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On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 19:50:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 8, 2021 at 10:59:42 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
> <op.07tixsrymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Aug 2021 21:53:08 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 6, 2021 at 11:34:17 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07pu7fnsmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 21:44:05 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 3, 2021 at 11:41:00 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07kbimv2mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not until it was close. And fires move VERY fast. So if my neighbor is insured
>>>>>>>>> they will fight the fire miles from me for him? He is them paying for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you had insurance with fire protection, you'd phone up and say "there's a
>>>>>>>> forest fire coming", or they'd already know. To protect themselves against
>>>>>>>> having to pay for the damage to your house, they would chip in to put the fire
>>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The cost of the house would be FAR less than the cost of the work to put out
>>>>>>> the fire. Many times less.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not if the choices are putting out one fire or paying for 500 houses.
>>>>>
>>>>> You won't even wear a mask and you think people would pay voluntarily. Your
>>>>> claims are contradictory.
>>>>
>>>> Most people voluntarily have home insurance. Most people voluntarily wear
>>>> masks.
>>>
>>> People with mortgages do not have the option -- they must have insurance.
>>
>> Should, not must, they don't check.
>
> The banks can and do catch people.

The police can and do catch speeders, doesn't stop people speeding.

>>> Many others do get insurance, but it does not cover the things we talked
>>> about (say paying for taking care of the forest fires around me).
>>
>> That's a risk they're willing to take. If most are willing to take it, those
>> who don't want the risk have to pay a huge premium.
>
> But it is not insurance that covers those risks. It's taxes.

It could be insurance. A policy is what you pay for.

>>> And many people do
>>> voluntarily wear masks and take other common sense precautions, but others are
>>> suing over wearing them and are otherwise being foolish. It is part of why the
>>> US is seeing such a high resurgence of COVID. People simply will not do even
>>> the basics to not harm others without their being laws and regulations to
>>> prevent that.
>>
>> We're not harming others,
>
> This is clearly false. You are actively making the choice to risk spreading a
> pandemic. It is a very immature thing to do.

No, I'm just not spending my time preventing the spread. The virus is causing the deaths, not me.

>> we're just not going out of our way to protect them. Only in France is it
>> required by law to be a good samaritan if you see an accident etc.
>>
>>> In fact, that is at best what laws and regulations are for: to reduce the
>>> chance of people harming each other and to have legal consequences when that
>>> does happen.
>>
>> Why do you believe this is a good thing?
>
> Basic morality.

The word "chance" is important above. If I do something which will result in your death, that's bad. If I do something which has a 1 in a million chance of your death, who cares?

>>>>>>>>>> They are paid to make sure your home stays intact. They don't want to have to
>>>>>>>>>> pay out for everything in your home, so they put the fire out. If the forest
>>>>>>>>>> fire was threatening 500 homes, that's 500 policies that would pay for the
>>>>>>>>>> fire to be put out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the other 499 are paying for me why should I pay? Let their insurance go
>>>>>>>>> up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could if you wanted. But if a lot of people did that, there wouldn't be
>>>>>>>> enough money to put the fire out and it would be cheaper to just pay for the
>>>>>>>> lost houses. So, up to you, freedom of choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unless many people get the insurance the value goes down. More damage and loss
>>>>>>> and suffering.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I prefer to have less suffering and better services.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then choose to pay for them.
>>>>>
>>>>> As with masks that does not work. You need to have it be done pretty much
>>>>> universally.
>>>>
>>>> No, just a large number. 50% oughta do it.
>>>
>>> Certainly better than 0%.
>>>
>>>> Now, think about this:
>>>>
>>>> Situation 1: One house near a forest.
>>>> Situation 2: 500 houses near another forest.
>>>>
>>>> Logically, the 500 should pay a lot less towards keeping the forest not on
>>>> fire. But your left wing bullshit makes them pay the same.
>>>
>>> People in cities pay more taxes. Your claim is simply incorrect.
>>
>> They should pay less taxes! They're sharing things with others!
>
> You said they pay the same. They don't. But, sure, it would be great if those
> in the cities were not being asked to socialized the costs of those outside
> the cities, just as it would would be great if red states would pay their own
> way and not depend on the support of the blue states.

So you agree people should pay for what they use and not what others use. In that case do away with tax altogether.

>>>>>>>>> Hell, we see that with masks ... why should I wear a mask when others will.
>>>>>>>>> YOU say that, don't you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. Because masks aren't one way. That would be black magic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See: too many people deny the evidence and think only of themselves for the
>>>>>>> libertarian ideas to possibly work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I use common sense.
>>>>>
>>>>> You use that term to reject evidence. That is the opposite of common sense to
>>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> It is not evidence if given to me by someone else and is also illogical.
>>>>
>>>>>> Explain to me how a mask knows which way the virus is going.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who said it did? You made that assumption based on a LACK of common sense.
>>>>
>>>> Because you seem to think it reacts differently depending if the virus is
>>>> going into or out of your mouth.
>>>
>>> What "seems" to you has precisely nothing to do with what I said or believe.
>>
>> Then state your belief clearly.
>
> And you still failed to understand and made up stories about viruses reacting
> differently in different directions.

I'm not the one claiming a mask only works one way.

>>>>>> And why don't you just wear it inside out?
>>>>>
>>>>> Another example of your lack of common sense.
>>>>
>>>> Well since you think they're one way, turning it round must reverse it.
>>>
>>> Again, this is a fine example of you failing to understand and you not having
>>> common sense.
>>
>> Common sense states cotton can't tell which way the virus is travelling.
>
> Nobody said, suggested, hinted, or implied anything of the sort.

Yes they did, whenever they say you protect others with your mask but not yourself.