On Aug 11, 2021 at 8:53:44 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07yw3uggmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 20:56:09 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 10:59:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07rn8s0omvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Tue, 03 Aug 2021 23:49:24 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 3, 2021 at 2:12:56 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <secbgo$r89$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:54:58 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:09:21 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.07gkpvn9mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:24:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:10:56 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.07cvgihkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My emotion tells me you're all worrying about something insignificant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biggest cause of death in the world - Malaria.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd biggest - Kidney disease.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd biggest - Cancer.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4th biggest - Coronavirus - a bad flu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that is with large work to reduce the harm of Covid. Imagine if we did
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not. Already in the US, even with our precautions, it has reduced the average
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life span by about 1 year. I assume it is about the same for the UK.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That does not even count the 1 in 3 survivors with long term health effects.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With a population of 7 billion, I don't give a fuck if half of them die, it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would make the world more sensible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And that is why libertarianism cannot work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It would solve your "climate" problem if there was only half of us.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It would help. Are you volunteering? Or do you only volunteer others?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>>>>
>>>> How big is an idea? :)
>>>
>>> The size of a lightbulb:
>>> https://youtu.be/BLRDCUWEdPc
>>> I can't believe he did that.
>>
>> Why did he do that?
>
> Could be:
> 1) Boredom
> 2) He's crazy
> 3) He thought he'd make money on Youtube
> 4) Someone dared him

Aliens.

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On Aug 11, 2021 at 8:52:29 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07yw1ragmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 20:54:29 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 10:59:57 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07rn97jimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And even with you it protects the mouth and the nose but not the eyes. And
>>>>>>> with the mouth and the nose air still comes in from poor fitting (common).
>>>>>>> Even with a poor fit your droplets tend to not go NEARLY as far. This is why
>>>>>>> it is best to have a mask AND social distance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yup. It all adds up.
>>>>>
>>>>> To a bunch of worry warts. Do you fit five seatbelts to your car?
>>>>
>>>> Hence why libertarianism can=E2=80=99t work.
>>>
>>> You said hence but with no reason as to why you've linked the two.
>>
>> There is a common sense link.
>
> I have no desire to wade through the conversation looking for a tenuous riddle
> link.
>
> And an apostrophe has mutated above.

Your system is broken.

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On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:43:04 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill. I won't do
>>>> something to prevent something so trivial. Just as I don't build a
>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>
>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse to do
>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>
>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not
>> major.
>
> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.

Correct. Big enough to research cures, like cancer, but not big enough to grind the world to a halt.

> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
> except heart disease and cancer.
>
> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>

I stopped when I read your word "except". So not the biggest then.

>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then
>>>>>>> we get an
>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>
>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used. At this rate we
>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>
>>> Incorrect.
>>
>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>
> Cite, please!

It's common knowledge, go use Google.

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 03:55:38 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2021 at 7:04:04 PM MST, "knuttle" wrote
> <sene2m$n91$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 8/7/2021 6:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill. I won't do
>>>>>> something to prevent something so trivial. Just as I don't build a
>>>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse
>>>>> to do
>>>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>>>
>>>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not
>>>> major.
>>>
>>> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.
>>>
>>> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
>>> except heart disease and cancer.
>>>
>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then
>>>>>>>>> we get an
>>>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used. At this rate we
>>>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>>>
>>> Cite, please!
>>>
>> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.
>
> The same precautions that work against COVID also work against the flu.

We didn't do all this shit with the flu.

On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 18:26:34 +0100, wrote:

> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> posted this:
>
>> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.
>
> That would fall under "acquired immunity". An appropriate analogy would be
> smallpox (primarily) and the Native Americans' response to the European
> migration...
>
> There's "natural immunity", seems to somewhat applicable to COVID-19. Then
> there's "acquired immunity" which people have been afflicted and recovered
> and then passed those traits on to their descendents. And then there's
> "immunization immunity", which is the most bestest option for those who
> don't have access to the previous 2 types of immunity.

Those immunities can't be created with artificial vaccines.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:44:34 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> On 2021-08-07 10:56 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>
>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>
>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>
>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>
>>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>>
>> When everyone dies from the same thing it's not pathetic. When only
>> some die, they're pathetic.
>
> I get it now:
>
> You're just a dick!

Learn about the basics of evolution.

On Aug 12, 2021 at 11:38:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.070zd9b3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:44:34 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-07 10:56 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>>
>>>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>>>
>>> When everyone dies from the same thing it's not pathetic. When only
>>> some die, they're pathetic.
>>
>> I get it now:
>>
>> You're just a dick!
>
> Learn about the basics of evolution.

Evolution is not a moral code.

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On Aug 12, 2021 at 11:37:06 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.070zb4fumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

>>>>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used. At this rate we
>>>>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please!
>>>>
>>> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.
>>
>> The same precautions that work against COVID also work against the flu.
>
> We didn't do all this shit with the flu.

Why would we given how they are so different?

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On 2021-08-12 11:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:43:04 +0100, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill.  I won't do
>>>>> something to prevent something so trivial.  Just as I don't build a
>>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>>
>>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse
>>>> to do
>>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>>
>>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not
>>> major.
>>
>> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.
>
> Correct.  Big enough to research cures, like cancer, but not big enough
> to grind the world to a halt.

Straw man. The world has not been brought to a halt.

>
>> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
>> except heart disease and cancer.
>>
>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>
>
> I stopped when I read your word "except".  So not the biggest then.

You didn't demand that it be the biggest, did you?

>
>>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer
>>>>>>>> variants.
>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses
>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then
>>>>>>>> we get an
>>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used.  At this rate we
>>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>>
>>>> Incorrect.
>>>
>>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>>
>> Cite, please!
>
> It's common knowledge, go use Google.

So you can't cite it.

Got it.

On 2021-08-12 11:37 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 03:55:38 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 7:04:04 PM MST, "knuttle" wrote
>> <sene2m$n91$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 8/7/2021 6:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill.  I won't do
>>>>>>> something to prevent something so trivial.  Just as I don't build a
>>>>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not
>>>>> major.
>>>>
>>>> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.
>>>>
>>>> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
>>>> except heart disease and cancer.
>>>>
>>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer
>>>>>>>>>> variants.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses
>>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar
>>>>>>>>>> viruses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then
>>>>>>>>>> we get an
>>>>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used.  At this
>>>>>>> rate we
>>>>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please!
>>>>
>>> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.
>>
>> The same precautions that work against COVID also work against the flu.
>
> We didn't do all this shit with the flu.

The flu strains we typically see are far less deadly.

Influenza kills something like 290,000-650,000 people each year.

COVID-19 has killed 4,330,000 people in something like (let's be
generous) 21 months or 2,470,000 people in a year.

That's just less than 4 times as many people as the worst flu seasons...

....and that is WITH all the steps that have been taken.

Imagine what the death toll would have been if we'd done nothing.

On 2021-08-12 11:38 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 18:26:34 +0100,  wrote:
>
>> knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> posted this:
>>
>>> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.
>>
>> That would fall under "acquired immunity".  An appropriate analogy
>> would be
>> smallpox (primarily) and the Native Americans' response to the European
>> migration...
>>
>> There's "natural immunity", seems to somewhat applicable to COVID-19.
>> Then
>> there's "acquired immunity" which people have been afflicted and
>> recovered
>> and then passed those traits on to their descendents.  And then there's
>> "immunization immunity", which is the most bestest option for those who
>> don't have access to the previous 2 types of immunity.
>
> Those immunities can't be created with artificial vaccines.

Yes, actually, they can.

Immunity to a pathogen is a result of the body learning to recognize a
foreign protein in order to produce antibodies quickly enough that it
cannot gain a foothold sufficient to cause too much harm.

The cells in your body that learn and then remember the proteins to
which they will produce antibodies don't care how those proteins were
introduced to them.

A live exposure to a pathogen (say chicken pox) means your body learns
to develop antibodies to it.

An exposure to weakened viruses (or viruses sufficiently close to the
one for which immunity is truly desirable) does the same thing.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuated_vaccine#Viral_vaccines>

The mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 cause the body (for a couple of weeks) to
replicate protein spikes from the outer shell of the SARS-CoV-2 that are
what the body's immune system builds antibodies to bind regardless of
how it learns about them.

On 2021-08-12 11:38 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:44:34 +0100, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-07 10:56 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a
>>>>> microscope.
>>>>
>>>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>>>
>>> When everyone dies from the same thing it's not pathetic.  When only
>>> some die, they're pathetic.
>>
>> I get it now:
>>
>> You're just a dick!
>
> Learn about the basics of evolution.

I know all about the basics of evolution...

....and it's too bad it doesn't select against dickishness.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:44:34 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-07 10:56 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>> The weakest will die, that is nature's way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Define "weakest" as you use it there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unable to handle a thing so small you can't see it without a microscope.
>>>>
>>>> Cyanide is even smaller. Anyone dying from that is pathetic!! /s
>>>
>>> When everyone dies from the same thing it's not pathetic. When only
>>> some die, they're pathetic.
>>
>> I get it now:
>>
>> You're just a dick!
>
> Learn about the basics of evolution.

You first.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 03:55:38 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 7:04:04 PM MST, "knuttle" wrote
>> <sene2m$n91$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 8/7/2021 6:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill. I won't do
>>>>>>> something to prevent something so trivial. Just as I don't build a
>>>>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not
>>>>> major.
>>>>
>>>> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.
>>>>
>>>> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
>>>> except heart disease and cancer.
>>>>
>>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then
>>>>>>>>>> we get an
>>>>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used. At this rate we
>>>>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incorrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>>>>
>>>> Cite, please!
>>>>
>>> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.
>>
>> The same precautions that work against COVID also work against the flu.
>
> We didn't do all this shit with the flu.

Maybe we should do some of it? Flu kills a staggering amount of people most
years.

In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
Chris says...

> Maybe we should do some of it?
>

We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
now.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

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On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>Chris says...
>
>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>
>
> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
> now.
> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/

I've heard they can do more harm than good.

On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:46:44 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:30:50 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:50:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>> <op.07igohdqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:42 +0100, Snit
>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.07gk7ne7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is
>>>>>>>> when it reaches
>>>>>>>> him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>>>>>>> slower.
>>>>>>>> Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your claims are contrary to the evidence on mask wearing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My claim is basic common sense, it's easier to stop a slow moving
>>>>>> thing than a
>>>>>> fast moving thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> What you call "common sense" is your guess, and your guess is
>>>>> incorrect. You
>>>>> are not looking at evidence on spread but your own guesses as to
>>>>> what leads to
>>>>> the spread.
>>>>
>>>> I don't guess that things fall down instead of up. I don't guess that
>>>> faster moving air cools something quicker. I go by logic and
>>>> experience.
>>>
>>> At least on this you reject evidence and make straw men.
>>
>> Considering how air moves is not straw.
>
> Failing to consider that it is NOT the air that is infectious, but
> rather droplets carried by the air...
>
> ...until they encounter a mask shows that considering how air moves is a
> strawman.

The droplets are in the air, when the air moves slower, the droplets can obviously get stuck on the mask more easily.

On Aug 13, 2021 at 7:54:51 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.072jpphmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:46:44 +0100, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:30:50 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:50:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07igohdqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:42 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.07gk7ne7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>>>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>>>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is
>>>>>>>>> when it reaches
>>>>>>>>> him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>>>>>>>> slower.
>>>>>>>>> Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your claims are contrary to the evidence on mask wearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My claim is basic common sense, it's easier to stop a slow moving
>>>>>>> thing than a
>>>>>>> fast moving thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you call "common sense" is your guess, and your guess is
>>>>>> incorrect. You
>>>>>> are not looking at evidence on spread but your own guesses as to
>>>>>> what leads to
>>>>>> the spread.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't guess that things fall down instead of up. I don't guess that
>>>>> faster moving air cools something quicker. I go by logic and
>>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> At least on this you reject evidence and make straw men.
>>>
>>> Considering how air moves is not straw.
>>
>> Failing to consider that it is NOT the air that is infectious, but
>> rather droplets carried by the air...
>>
>> ...until they encounter a mask shows that considering how air moves is a
>> strawman.
>
> The droplets are in the air, when the air moves slower, the droplets can
> obviously get stuck on the mask more easily.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=covid+masks+effectiveness

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On Aug 13, 2021 at 7:54:12 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.072jomagmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Chris says...
>>
>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>
>>
>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>> now.
>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>
> I've heard they can do more harm than good.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=flu+vaccine+effectiveness

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On Aug 13, 2021 at 5:00:37 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>:

> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2021 03:55:38 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2021 at 7:04:04 PM MST, "knuttle" wrote
>>> <sene2m$n91$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 8/7/2021 6:43 PM, Alan Baker wrote:
>>>>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill. I won't do
>>>>>>>> something to prevent something so trivial. Just as I don't build a
>>>>>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse
>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is not
>>>>>> major.
>>>>>
>>>>> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.
>>>>>
>>>>> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
>>>>> except heart disease and cancer.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then
>>>>>>>>>>> we get an
>>>>>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used. At this rate we
>>>>>>>> won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Incorrect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite, please!
>>>>>
>>>> And the flu disappeared almost. I wonder what happen to it.
>>>
>>> The same precautions that work against COVID also work against the flu.
>>
>> We didn't do all this shit with the flu.
>
> Maybe we should do some of it? Flu kills a staggering amount of people most
> years.

We have learned a lot about the value of precautions.

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On 2021-08-13 7:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken <unsteadyken@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Chris says...
>>
>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>
>>
>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>> now.
>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>
> I've heard they can do more harm than good.

Oh, really?

You've "heard" that, have you?

From whom?

On 2021-08-13 7:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:46:44 +0100, Alan Baker
> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>
>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:30:50 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:50:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.07igohdqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:42 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.07gk7ne7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>>>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>>>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is
>>>>>>>>> when it reaches
>>>>>>>>> him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>>>>>>>> slower.
>>>>>>>>> Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your claims are contrary to the evidence on mask wearing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My claim is basic common sense, it's easier to stop a slow moving
>>>>>>> thing than a
>>>>>>> fast moving thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What you call "common sense" is your guess, and your guess is
>>>>>> incorrect. You
>>>>>> are not looking at evidence on spread but your own guesses as to
>>>>>> what leads to
>>>>>> the spread.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't guess that things fall down instead of up.  I don't guess that
>>>>> faster moving air cools something quicker.  I go by logic and
>>>>> experience.
>>>>
>>>> At least on this you reject evidence and make straw men.
>>>
>>> Considering how air moves is not straw.
>>
>> Failing to consider that it is NOT the air that is infectious, but
>> rather droplets carried by the air...
>>
>> ...until they encounter a mask shows that considering how air moves is a
>> strawman.
>
> The droplets are in the air, when the air moves slower, the droplets can
> obviously get stuck on the mask more easily.

No, actually, the mask on the infected person gets the droplets FIRST...

....at least almost all of them.

On Aug 13, 2021 at 9:55:00 AM MST, "Alan Baker" wrote
<sf6854$buv$2@dont-email.me>:

> On 2021-08-13 7:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:46:44 +0100, Alan Baker
>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 04 Aug 2021 19:30:50 +0100, Snit <Brock.McNuggets@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 02 Aug 2021 20:50:04 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:37:19 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>> <op.07igohdqmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:42 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:01 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <op.07gk7ne7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R.
>>>>>>>>>> <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit
>>>>>>>>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you think
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>>>>>>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is
>>>>>>>>>> when it reaches
>>>>>>>>>> him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>>>>>>>>> slower.
>>>>>>>>>> Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your claims are contrary to the evidence on mask wearing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My claim is basic common sense, it's easier to stop a slow moving
>>>>>>>> thing than a
>>>>>>>> fast moving thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What you call "common sense" is your guess, and your guess is
>>>>>>> incorrect. You
>>>>>>> are not looking at evidence on spread but your own guesses as to
>>>>>>> what leads to
>>>>>>> the spread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't guess that things fall down instead of up. I don't guess that
>>>>>> faster moving air cools something quicker. I go by logic and
>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> At least on this you reject evidence and make straw men.
>>>>
>>>> Considering how air moves is not straw.
>>>
>>> Failing to consider that it is NOT the air that is infectious, but
>>> rather droplets carried by the air...
>>>
>>> ...until they encounter a mask shows that considering how air moves is a
>>> strawman.
>>
>> The droplets are in the air, when the air moves slower, the droplets can
>> obviously get stuck on the mask more easily.
>
> No, actually, the mask on the infected person gets the droplets FIRST...
>
> ...at least almost all of them.

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=covid+masks+effectiveness

Is that really so mysterious for some?

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Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> posted this:
> On 2021-08-12 11:36 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2021 23:43:04 +0100, Alan Baker
>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-08-07 11:03 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'm refusing to make a mountain out of a molehill.� I won't do
>>>>>> something to prevent something so trivial.� Just as I don't build a
>>>>>> nuclear fallout shelter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your excuses for denying evidence changes nothing. You still refuse
>>>>> to do
>>>>> the smallest thing to help stem a major pandemic.
>>>>
>>>> Something that kills many times less than the population growth is
>>>> not major.
>>>
>>> So then, by your measure, no cause of death is major.
>>
>> Correct.� Big enough to research cures, like cancer, but not big enough
>> to grind the world to a halt.
>
> Straw man. The world has not been brought to a halt.
>
>>
>>> COVID-19 killed more people in the US in 2020 than every other cause
>>> except heart disease and cancer.
>>>
>>> <https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234>
>>
>> I stopped when I read your word "except".� So not the biggest then.
>
> You didn't demand that it be the biggest, did you?
>
>>
>>>>>>>>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer
>>>>>>>>> variants.
>>>>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(2
>>>>>>>>> 1)01358-1/fulltext
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses
>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar
>>>>>>>>> viruses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the
>>>>>>>>> dominant
>>>>>>>>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness
>>>>>>>>> then we get an
>>>>>>>>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system, which you're
>>>>>>>> compromising
>>>>>>>> by using a vaccine. How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fact we have an immune system is not in dispute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would get stronger if it was required to be used.� At this rate
>>>>>> we won't be able to fight off a common cold.
>>>>>
>>>>> Incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> Eskimos were killed by the common cold.
>>>
>>> Cite, please!
>>
>> It's common knowledge, go use Google.
>
> So you can't cite it.
>
> Got it.

Google, like the rest of Big Tech, is routinely throwing a blanket over
very many very legitimate and very relevant discussions... Depending on
which way they perceive the Progressive/Socialist/Liberal winds to be
blowing... It's crazy how instead of reviewing all the input before making
decisions many Americans are choosing a position based strictly upon
political party lines - as the corrupt media tends to slant and report
events... no matter how obtuse and random Dr. Fauci's media campaign is
this cycle. M'k. Fact-checking Fauci should be a growth-industry by now.

On the "common cold"... The rhinovirus - more appropriately "rhinoviruses"
(or is it "rhinoviri"?) are Legion. They go so far back in human
evolution... way further than when "common colds" were attributed to
"demons" and "doctors" literally bled patients hoping to cure them.

Likely what the antagonist is referring to is a report of a variation of
influenza in the early 1900s spreading into the Eskimo population before
the medical community had identified, diagnosed, and publicized the
specific virus, "influenza"...

It was called the "Spanish Flu" NOT because it originated in Spain, but the
major world powers, INCLUDING THE USA, were censoring any news from
government agencies and/or news media about the rampant disease. Had to do
with wartime considerations and the many military conflicts in that
timeframe...

Then the Spanish media refused to comply with government demands and
international pressure to suppress news events and medical opinions,
testing, and studies, and eventually overseas travellers brought back the
news to the USA until the government simply couldn't keep a lid on it
anymore - and MILLIONS OF PEOPLE HAD ALREADY DIED. That's why it was
dubbed "The Spanish Flu", not a particular strain, but how the news finally
got out.

You have to think about the fatality numbers in the context of world
populations back in the 1900s compared to now to appreciate that the
percentages of people affected and reported by some manner or means was WAY
HIGHER than the ratios of COVID-19... Then there's the fact that it took
decades to come up with a viable treatment for these infections.

Media recently headlined "More Florida and Texas Children Were Hospitalized
Than at Any Time Since the Pandemic Began".

The numbers were 142 children in Texas and 135 in Florida. In one county
it was reported the numbers of children had QUADRUPLED! It went from 4 to
15...

Likely as not, these cases were connected to antivaxers and/or antimaskers.

The statistics we are getting fed right now are so tampered and so
slanted... For instance, we see the numbers of hopitalizations are
spiking, but what government and media omit is that hospitalization times
are way down, and recoveries are way up.

Like with the current COVID-19 pandemic, current influenza fatalities and
serious illness are almost totally confined to those who have NOT been
vaccinated - coexistant physical afflictions excepted.

A primary factor for consideration is that the time from influenza
infection until symptoms present is usually a very few hours - depending on
variable health factors.

The time from COVID-19 infection until the onset of symptoms could be
around 14-days, but certainly quite a few days, providing way too much time
for spreading the disease before any symptoms present or constructive
action is taken...

Everybody who are accurately informed about this but remain not concerned
likely have serious atypical personality disorders - so maybe that's the
bright side of the apparent collective dystopian dysfunction that
persistently abides in our midst refusing to protect themselves and others
due to lame "arguments" and erroneous "facts"... At least attrition will
be culling them out at a faster rate than the accurately informed and
eganged population...

Then maybe we can get our country back from the Socialists and Fascists who
seem to be controlling our national dialog.

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Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-08-13 7:54 a.m., Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:11:49 +0100, Unsteadyken
>> <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <sf5mt5$ei2$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> Chris says...
>>>
>>>> Maybe we should do some of it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We do in the uK, I've been getting a Flu jab every Autumn for some years
>>> now.
>>> https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vaccinations/flu-influenza-vaccine/
>>
>> I've heard they can do more harm than good.
>
> Oh, really?
>
> You've "heard" that, have you?
>
> From whom?

Whoever don't matter, it most assuredly emanated from the wrong orifice.

Just wish he'd stop bloviating bullshit. If he want to embrace the
Darwin Award, so be it, just do encourage other clueless to join suit,
because the consequences extend beyond them...

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