On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07ige5vfmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:44:28 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07eowepimvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:11:27 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:07:22 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvakjtmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 18:53:44 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:40:33 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.0684pvsxmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:42:55 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:33:50 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.0669qox3mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good luck finding an Apple M1 CPU and motherboard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Even with Intel Macs it is not as easy as many seem to think. And if you did
>>>>>>>>>>>> do it there was no reason to think the machine would be supported,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no need to think: it is utterly unsupported.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I meant not even being able to run the never version of macOS. My wording was
>>>>>>>>>> not clear though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you build it with parts that Apple use, the OS thinks it's an Apple and
>>>>>>>>> will behave exactly the same way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not quite as easy as you try to make it sound:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.quora.com/How-reliable-is-a-64-bit-Hackintosh-as-a-main-computer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But as a hobby project it sounds like fun.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know it's easy because I've done a few of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many macOS versions did you use on it?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've explained this already. If it fools one, it'll fool them all.
>>>>
>>>> So how many did you use?
>>>
>>> One. Which is irrelevant.
>>
>> So it MIGHT have worked with others but that was not tested.
>
> I see no reason it would stop working with future versions.

Which does not mean it would (or would not).

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On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:31:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07igeez1mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07eoxpk7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:12:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:06:52 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cu9qpjmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, aren't *YOU* one of God's "special" little parasites?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One thing seems for sure at this point: only the fucking brain-dead idiots,
>>>>>> the poorest, the most ill-informed, and the most vulnerable among us will
>>>>>> die from COVID-19 while the virus perpetuates itself because insolent
>>>>>> assholes refuse to protect all of mankind by submitting to the simpliest of
>>>>>> procedures and protocols...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reminds me of that poem, 'If', by Rudyard Kipling.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're confused, first you say only the ill-informed will die, then you say
>>>>> we're endangering others.
>>>>
>>>> You increase your risk of infection and the risk you push onto others.
>>>>
>>>> It is like someone in a boat, saying they are only digging a hole in their own
>>>> cabin so others should not try to control them. Or someone saying that the
>>>> government should not tell them to drive on a specific side of the road.
>>>>
>>>> Selfish and short sighted and not seeing the overall impact they have... or
>>>> not caring.
>>>
>>> You seem to have now forgotten what you wrote earlier:
>>>
>>> "only the fucking brain-dead idiots, the poorest, the most ill-informed, and
>>> the most vulnerable among us will die from COVID-19"
>>
>> What message ID?
>
> It's quoted above.

I did not write that.

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On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:30:58 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07igdwnkmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:47:09 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07eo0vaomvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:19:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:15:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvnzs7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:02:53 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:30:16 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.06838qlumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:13:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:44:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.0644f1rmmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 25 Jul 2021 19:56:15 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2021 at 11:08:31 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <op.063l0hysmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 24 Jul 2021 19:50:02 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 24, 2021 at 10:31:43 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> <op.061pm5avmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just remembered a poker game, in which we had to win the girls to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them to undress, in B/W CGA graphics - We had to coach our best poker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> player in our student residence to play it for us :-D
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did you ever play Leisure Suit Larry? That was color EGA! We played it at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a fun game... and you can STILL play it:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.retrogames.cz/play_493-DOS.php?language=EN
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I do not understand the desire to play outdated quality stuff. This is what I
>>>>>>>>>>> play: https://youtu.be/IbnW213nRO8
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not much of a gamer... unless you count chess, but no real computer power
>>>>>>>>>> needed for that. Even then I play about 1 game a day on average.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fallout 4 is better than real life. In fact I regularly do something in real
>>>>>>>>> life and think Fallout 4 would have made it easier to do that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Glad you enjoy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Being able to insert some old tin cans and toothbrushes into a workshop and
>>>>>>> having it create a fence is cool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Never played so do not get the reference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Part of the game is building settlements. If you've collected anything which
>>>>> contains the things you need, eg. aluminium, gears, plastic, then you just
>>>>> insert those into the "workshop" and ask it to produce the thing you want.
>>>>
>>>> Got it. Have seen similar... though can't even remember where.
>>>
>>> There are many building type games, but this one is good because of the
>>> fighting in it too.
>>
>> If I had it in front of me I might try it, but don't really seek playing
>> games. To each their own.
>
> I decide if I want to try a game by watching it being played by others on
> Youtube.

Makes sense. I have teens and sometimes get pulled into theirs.

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On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:29:36 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
<op.07igbm03mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:

> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:00:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:50:45 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07eo6vjymvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:22:12 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 30, 2021 at 11:13:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07cvk1c4mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:01:25 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:33:10 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.0684dkasmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 18:16:42 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jul 26, 2021 at 6:39:23 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>>>> <op.06437xjnmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Buying back guns from lawful owners simply means that when the thugs who
>>>>>>>>>>>> got them illegally decide to commit crimes, nobody will be able to stop
>>>>>>>>>>>> them. If your country gives you the right and the ability to defend
>>>>>>>>>>>> yourself, why the heck would you sacrifice it?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is the thugs are less likely to be able to obtain one (eg. by
>>>>>>>>>>> stealing it from a legal owner).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's interesting reasoning but it doesn't seem to be realistic. Besides,
>>>>>>>>>> considering how tyrannical the governments of the world have already
>>>>>>>>>> become with their reaction to the Kung Flu,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Agreed on that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They should be requiring vaccinations for more things. End the damned
>>>>>>>> pandemic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forcing anyone to do anything is always wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's just a bad flu! Stop making a mountain out of a molehill!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not a flu, nor is it very similar to one other than how it spreads.
>>>>>
>>>>> It makes you feel like anything form "a bad cold" to "a horrid flu" from what
>>>>> people have said.
>>>>
>>>> And it leaves 1/3 of those with it with lasting damage.
>>>
>>> I've not seen any evidence of this theory.
>>
>> https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/monumental-acknowledgment-cdc-reports-long-term-covid-19-patients-n1234814
>>
>> Plenty more I can show... and we can go back to the original studies.
>
> Coronavirus hasn't been here long term yet. Those are medium term problems.

Just like the pandemic of 100 years ago was. Sure. But does not mean we should
not work to manage things now.

>
>>>> And kills far more.
>>>> How many do you personally know who have died from it.
>>>
>>> I don't know anyone who died, yet I know many weak people who got through it.
>>
>> You are lucky. I know several who have died.
>
> You must hang around with weaker people.

Or just know more people. Or just fit the common stats more.

>> One of the things I find interesting with the conservative worldview is how
>> things often do not matter to those on the right until it has a more direct
>> impact on them. We are seeing this, some, with vaccinations. Fewer people are
>> spreading misinformation and more people are opting to be vaccinated.
>
> We believe direct impacts because the government and media lie. "First hand
> experience" is the only thing you should ever believe.

Hence why libertarianism cannot work -- you have impacts on others you refuse
to admit to acknowledge. Or even see.

>
>>>>>> But the fact people will not even do very basic things to protect each other
>>>>>> from this pandemic is a great refutation of libertarianism. It simply does not
>>>>>> work in the real world.
>>>>>
>>>>> These things are unnecessary as the chances of you dying are minimal.
>>>>
>>>> Already reduced the life expectancy in the US by one year.
>>>
>>> That's a very small amount.
>>
>> Compared to?
>
> Your normal life expectancy.

What about other things impacting it?

>
>>>> The chances of
>>>> dying going through a traffic light are very low -- so why should I be
>>>> required to stop at red light?
>>>
>>> You shouldn't, I don't. Especially "left on red", which is legal in the USA
>>> (although obviously yours is right).
>>
>> Why stop at red lights at all? Why should I be forced to drive on the right?
>> It is arbitrary. You are not. What about my freedom? Can I not make the best
>> choices for myself?
>>
>> That is what you sound like with the vaccine.
>
> I disobey any law I believe is wrong. Do you really stop at a red when the
> whole junction is empty?
>
> Here's another way to go through a red safely - if the person in front goes
> through on green, you can go through as it turns to red, and so can hundreds
> behind you. The other direction won't just start driving into a continuous
> line of traffic.

Why wait at all? Others can stop for you as well as you can stop for them.

Answer: you follow safety laws.

>
>>>>>>>>>> I am not sure that as an
>>>>>>>>>> American, I would be willing to make it even easier for them to bully me
>>>>>>>>>> around than it already is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The UK manages without guns.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They are "tyrannical" with that, eh?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We don't think anything of it. Nobody here except madmen have a desire to own
>>>>>>> a gun. People do not feel threatened and want to defend themselves. Mainly
>>>>>>> because of the lack of criminals with guns.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you want to control people and deny them their guns, eh?
>>>>>
>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>
>>>> Who pays?
>>>
>>> A very small income tax.
>>
>> What if I do not want to pay?
>
> It would be so small you wouldn't care.

Add up all these small things and it adds up.

>
>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>> used in murders.
>>>
>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>> burglary.
>>
>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>
> As long as you don't kill people with them.

I thought you were against people having guns. OK.

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On 02/08/2021 19:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:22 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:35 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07gk8lcvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>>>>>>> With the early Apple IIe systems you had to pop a chip out and
>>>>>>>> turn it around
>>>>>>>> to go from supporting a modem to a printer... which was stupid.
>>>>>>>> They later did
>>>>>>>> fix that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To upgrade the RAM on my ZX Spectrum required a soldering iron!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Try it on a new M1!
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a soldering iron with the extra fine tip, will that do?
>>>>
>>>> One way to find out.
>>>
>>> Have you ever picked up the wrong end?
>>
>> Nope. And only rarely the right one.
>
> This is similar and hilarious:
> https://youtu.be/-myu4I6kJIs

Oh the IRONy :-D

(In the comments section!)

On Aug 2, 2021 at 1:11:43 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<se9jhv$fqv$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:

> On 02/08/2021 19:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:22 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:35 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07gk8lcvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> With the early Apple IIe systems you had to pop a chip out and
>>>>>>>>> turn it around
>>>>>>>>> to go from supporting a modem to a printer... which was stupid.
>>>>>>>>> They later did
>>>>>>>>> fix that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To upgrade the RAM on my ZX Spectrum required a soldering iron!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Try it on a new M1!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a soldering iron with the extra fine tip, will that do?
>>>>>
>>>>> One way to find out.
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever picked up the wrong end?
>>>
>>> Nope. And only rarely the right one.
>>
>> This is similar and hilarious:
>> https://youtu.be/-myu4I6kJIs
>
> Oh the IRONy :-D

Some wrinkles in his plan.

>
> (In the comments section!)

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On 02/08/2021 21:45, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2021 at 1:11:43 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <se9jhv$fqv$2@hunterbd.eternal-september.org>:
>
>> On 02/08/2021 19:36, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 19:48:22 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 11:20:35 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>> <op.07gk8lcvmvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With the early Apple IIe systems you had to pop a chip out and
>>>>>>>>>> turn it around
>>>>>>>>>> to go from supporting a modem to a printer... which was stupid.
>>>>>>>>>> They later did
>>>>>>>>>> fix that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To upgrade the RAM on my ZX Spectrum required a soldering iron!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Try it on a new M1!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a soldering iron with the extra fine tip, will that do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One way to find out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you ever picked up the wrong end?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. And only rarely the right one.
>>>
>>> This is similar and hilarious:
>>> https://youtu.be/-myu4I6kJIs
>>
>> Oh the IRONy :-D
>
> Some wrinkles in his plan.

Ha! :-D

>> (In the comments section!)
>
>

On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>> <op.07eoxpk7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:12:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
--------------------------------------
>>> ill-informed, and
>>> the most vulnerable among us will die from COVID-19"
>>
>> What message ID?
>
> It's quoted above.

In some incidences wearing a mask makes sense, however there is NO
common sense in when they should be worn. For incidence the political
hack says everyone should wear a mask. Does that mean in my back yard
where there are no houses except mine for several hundred feet.

I have seen people driving alone in their cars wearing mask. Is this
logical who is going to contaminate them. The front seat?

What about when I to into the local Ag Supply house. The building is
huge, you can go to shop, do every thing you need and never see a
person. Is a mask needed there?

In North Carolina even when he guber said mask were required. You would
wear a mask past the front door of the restaurant to your table, the
waitress would bring you your drink. You would take your mask off and
not put it on again until you were headed to the front door.

No common sense!!!!!!

Common sense and the CDC guideline stated before the the panic that you
had to less that 6' from a person for greater than 15 minutes for the
transmission of bacteria and viruses.

Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about someone else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news media are
>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from getting
>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus. It DOES NOT prevent you from
>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill the virus".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus attaching
>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which are so
>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well publicized
>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an infected
>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are otherwise
>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be "infected"
>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT you still
>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM - before the virus inside you dies because it
>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you are
>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally more
>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>
>>> Until you get a variant.
>>
>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>
> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.

129,743 deaths says otherwise.

Between march and june last year over a fifth of all deaths had COVID as
the underlying cause.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020#how-many-people-have-died-from-covid-19

Devaluing the harm and distress caused by the virus for your own
self-justification is pathetic.

>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>
>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>
>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>
>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we get an
>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>
> Expensive and unnecessary. We have an immune system,

It's not 100% effective, not even close.

> which you're compromising by using a vaccine.

False.

> How is it supposed to learn to be stronger?

That's how the immune system works.

In article <se9p4a$l0d$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I have seen people driving alone in their cars wearing mask. Is this
> logical who is going to contaminate them. The front seat?

because it's a hassle to take it off and put it back on for every stop.

Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>
>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>
>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>
>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>
>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>> burglary.
>>>
>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>
>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>
> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.

That's because he's not rational.

>>
>> You'll need a licence and complete background checks which take a few
>> months to complete. You also need to be prepared for an annual police visit
>> to check you're storing it correctly.
>
> Thanks -- but I am talking philosophy not what actually is. Still, good to
> know what is. :)

Philosophically that's still the optimal method. Allowing gun ownership is
not consistent with owning any type of gun.

knuttle wrote:

> I have seen people driving alone in their cars wearing mask. Is this
> logical who is going to contaminate them. The front seat?

I can answer this one. If you're making frequent stops, it
makes more sense to just leave it on.

If I'm doing a "single stop" drive, I take it off after the
mask-required time is done.

Paul

On Aug 2, 2021 at 3:03:43 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se9q3u$t7o$1@dont-email.me>:

> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up murderers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>
>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>
>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>>
>>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>> burglary.
>>>>
>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>
>>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>>
>> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.
>
> That's because he's not rational.

Agreed. He tries to back his views by saying that they are just what he
wants... what he calls "common sense".

>>> You'll need a licence and complete background checks which take a few
>>> months to complete. You also need to be prepared for an annual police visit
>>> to check you're storing it correctly.
>>
>> Thanks -- but I am talking philosophy not what actually is. Still, good to
>> know what is. :)
>
> Philosophically that's still the optimal method. Allowing gun ownership is
> not consistent with owning any type of gun.

Allowing gun ownership is not consistent with owning guns?

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Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2021 at 3:03:43 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se9q3u$t7o$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>>> burglary.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>>
>>>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>>>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>>>
>>> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.
>>
>> That's because he's not rational.
>
> Agreed. He tries to back his views by saying that they are just what he
> wants... what he calls "common sense".
>
>>>> You'll need a licence and complete background checks which take a few
>>>> months to complete. You also need to be prepared for an annual police visit
>>>> to check you're storing it correctly.
>>>
>>> Thanks -- but I am talking philosophy not what actually is. Still, good to
>>> know what is. :)
>>
>> Philosophically that's still the optimal method. Allowing gun ownership is
>> not consistent with owning any type of gun.
>
> Allowing gun ownership is not consistent with owning guns?

*Any* guns. It's not carte blanche. There's always a limit to that
"freedom", even in the US.

just because you've a right to gun ownership, it doesn't automatically mean
you're entitled to an arsenal of Uzis or AK-47s. So the same should be for
military-style assault weapons. For the self-defence argument a handgun is
plenty and for hunting a rifle is fine.

Then, given these are lethal weapons and are very dangerous when mishandled
it also appropriate for gun owners to be properly profiled and adequate
storage required.

None of the above is inconsistent with gun rights, the second amendment or
freedom. It just sensible precautions in modern society.

On 01/08/2021 23:05, Snit wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2021 at 2:47:52 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se74q8$aok$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 22:32:48 +0100, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/07/2021 20.19, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 28 Jul 2021 19:06:56 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 28, 2021 at 10:41:11 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.0684qxuumvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hell, the libertarian fantasy is being destroyed (again) right now.
>>>>>>>> People
>>>>>>>> won't even wear a mask to help save their neighbor... and you think
>>>>>>>> they will
>>>>>>>> pay for things they are not forced to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My neighbour is free to wear one himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But you will not wear one to protect him. That is my point.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have to, as he has one on.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong.
>>>>
>>>> His mask protects you, and your mask protects him.
>>>> His mask does not protect him. Your mask does not protect you.
>>>>
>>>> Unless you (and he) use a PPE.
>>>
>>> The air coming out of my mouth is travelling faster than it is when it
>>> reaches him, it's more likely to be stopped by his mask as it's going
>>> slower. Everyone's masks protects themselves.
>>
>> To a small degree. The main point is that your mask only protects one
>> person receiving the virus (you) whereas it stops you spreading it to
>> pretty much anyone you're in close contact with. It's a very uneven
>> equation in favour of protecting others.
>
> And even with you it protects the mouth and the nose but not the eyes. And
> with the mouth and the nose air still comes in from poor fitting (common).
> Even with a poor fit your droplets tend to not go NEARLY as far. This is why
> it is best to have a mask AND social distance.

Yup. It all adds up.

On 02/08/2021 19:34, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2021 09:16:01 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Jul 2021 20:34:55 +0100, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 18:53:59 +0100, Snit
>>>>> <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 27, 2021 at 10:42:13 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>>>>> <op.06694nf0mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 16:38:48 +0100,  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> LegionX <MichaelAndAnneGlasser@griftersconjobsllc.com> posted this:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> Wrote in message:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you so bored with your life that you reply to me about
>>>>>>>>>> someone else?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes. We are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some of us sadly live in a city where the elected officials have
>>>>>>>>> enforced another mask mandate. Due to covid delta variant spread.
>>>>>>>>> We're back to remote office work. We are beyond bored.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's where our government and especially our subservient news
>>>>>>>> media are
>>>>>>>> letting the general public down, over simplified:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "[My] People are destroyed for lack of knowledge." -- Hosea 4:6
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The COVID-19 "vaccinations" ONLY prevent the recipient[s] from
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>>> seriously ill or dying from the virus.  It DOES NOT prevent you
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> CONTRACTING the disease; CARRYING the virus; or, INFECTING
>>>>>>>> OTHERS with the
>>>>>>>> virus!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These "vaccinations" DO NOT operate like insecticides and "kill
>>>>>>>> the virus".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They merely train specific human RNA strains to resist the virus
>>>>>>>> attaching
>>>>>>>> to a specific protien which causes immune system reactions which
>>>>>>>> are so
>>>>>>>> severe that it makes people severely ill or kills them...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't forget that at the outset of this "pandemic" it was well
>>>>>>>> publicized
>>>>>>>> that ONE OF THE REASONS THIS VIRUS is so virulent is because an
>>>>>>>> infected
>>>>>>>> host (human) can carry and transmit the virus for ~2-weeks
>>>>>>>> BEFORE showing
>>>>>>>> any symptoms...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In other words, if you have the "vaccination[s]" - and are
>>>>>>>> otherwise
>>>>>>>> relatively healthy - and you contact the virus and IN FACT be
>>>>>>>> "infected"
>>>>>>>> but you simply will not get seriously ill or die from it... BUT
>>>>>>>> you still
>>>>>>>> CARRY THE VIRUS and CAN INFECT OTHER PEOPLE - WHO CAN IN TURN
>>>>>>>> INFECT STILL
>>>>>>>> MORE PEOPLE... AD INFINITUM -  before the virus inside you dies
>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>> cannot attach to the protien it needs to make you sick... IF you
>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> otherwise relatively healthy...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is one of the reasons not to get vaccinated. You're actally
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> dangerous as you don't realise you're infected and contact more
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, you are not. The amount of misinformation is absurd.
>>>>>
>>>>> The misinformation is because nobody knows.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong as usual. The vaccines reduce transmission by 80% after the first
>>>> dose and 90% after both.
>>>> https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7013e3.htm
>>>
>>> Until you get a variant.
>>
>> Possibly. Which is why have to do everything to stop spreading the virus
>> and giving it the chance for new variants to arise.
>
> Or just stop making a mountain out of a molehill.
>
>> The current vaccines are still effective against the newer variants.
>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext
>>
>>
>>> Last year's AVG doesn't delete this year's computer viruses either.
>>
>> It might. With heuristic scanning it can identify similar viruses.
>>
>> That's why you update the software. Same with vaccines, if the dominant
>> variants drift too far away from the vaccine's effectiveness then we
>> get an
>> "update" (booster). Simple and effective.
>
> Expensive and unnecessary.

It's ridiculously cheap. Treating seriously sick people is very, very
expensive. Preventing that with a two quid shot makes absolute sense
even when you multiply it up by the whole population.

For example, for a measles outbreak in Liverpool the cost of dealing
with 2,458 cases cost 24x more than an additional 11,793 vaccines to
achieve herd immunity in the area.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26944712/

COVID treatment is far more expensive than for measles and the COVID vax
is cheaper than the MMR, so the economics of mass vaccination are even
more embarassingly obvious.

> We have an immune system, which you're
> compromising by using a vaccine.  How is it supposed to learn to be
> stronger?

On 02/08/2021 22:46, knuttle wrote:
> On 8/2/2021 2:31 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2021 20:03:31 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 31, 2021 at 10:45:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
>>> <op.07eoxpk7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 19:12:50 +0100, Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com>
> --------------------------------------
>>>> ill-informed, and
>>>> the most vulnerable among us will die from COVID-19"
>>>
>>> What message ID?
>>
>> It's quoted above.
>
> In some incidences wearing a mask makes sense,  however there is NO
> common sense in when they should be worn.   For incidence the political
> hack says everyone should wear a mask.  Does that mean in my back yard
> where there are no houses except mine for several hundred feet.

There's simplicity and clarity of message and there's evidence
supporting certain decisions. Sometimes one over-rules the other. Plus
the evidence for this brand new disease, remember, changes over time so
politicians need to balance confusion caused by changing the message
from diverting away from the evidence.

It's made worse in the US that there's been a huge political
partisanship around what the message should be so different states have
very different rules. All that's achieved is confusion, division and
unecessary deaths.

> I have seen people driving alone in their cars wearing mask.  Is this
> logical who is going to contaminate them.  The front seat?
>
> What about when I to into the local Ag Supply house.  The building is
> huge, you can go to shop, do every thing you need and never see a
> person.  Is a mask needed there?

Would the message be better if the mask mandate were measured by volume
of the building you're in?

> In North Carolina even when he guber said mask were required.  You would
> wear a mask past the front door of the restaurant to your table, the
> waitress would bring you your drink.  You would take your mask off and
> not put it on again until you were headed to the front door.

You're welcome to keep your mask on whilst sat at the table.

>
> No common sense!!!!!!

"Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
follow the rules.

> Common sense and the CDC guideline stated before the the panic that you
> had to less that 6' from a person for greater than 15 minutes for the
> transmission of bacteria and viruses.

Enclosed spaces are different. Also, this is not generic for all
bacteria and viruses. Only air-borne respiratory viruses.

On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>
> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
> follow the rules.

The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
light to allow you to cross the street.

The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
winding road.

The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
no one is in the stadium.

Paul formulated on Monday :
> knuttle wrote:
>
>> I have seen people driving alone in their cars wearing mask. Is this
>> logical who is going to contaminate them. The front seat?
>
> I can answer this one. If you're making frequent stops, it
> makes more sense to just leave it on.
>
> If I'm doing a "single stop" drive, I take it off after the
> mask-required time is done.
>
> Paul

We shouldn't be forgetting that the fomite vector still exists. I don't
wear a mask in my truck because nobody else drives it. If your vehicle
gets used by others, masking is still a good idea.

knuttle formulated on Tuesday :
> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>
>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>> follow the rules.
>
>
> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic light to
> allow you to cross the street.
>
> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a winding
> road.
>
> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from Covid
> when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and no one is in
> the stadium.

I never wear a mask thinking that it is self-protecting. Hospital grade
respirators (PPE) are another matter, but I don't have any of those.

Snit used his keyboard to write :
> On Aug 2, 2021 at 3:03:43 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se9q3u$t7o$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote
>>> <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>>>>>> Libertarianism allows for a small amount of control - eg. locking up
>>>>>>>> murderers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who pays?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A very small income tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> What if I do not want to pay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And why jump to murderers? Only a very small percentage of guns are
>>>>>>> used in murders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>>> burglary.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>>
>>>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>>>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>>>
>>> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.
>>
>> That's because he's not rational.
>
> Agreed. He tries to back his views by saying that they are just what he
> wants... what he calls "common sense".
>
>>>> You'll need a licence and complete background checks which take a few
>>>> months to complete. You also need to be prepared for an annual police
>>>> visit to check you're storing it correctly.
>>>
>>> Thanks -- but I am talking philosophy not what actually is. Still, good to
>>> know what is. :)
>>
>> Philosophically that's still the optimal method. Allowing gun ownership is
>> not consistent with owning any type of gun.
>
> Allowing gun ownership is not consistent with owning guns?

What was actually stated in the previous post is stll up there. Any
type of gun 'as prescribed by law' is a far cry from 'any type of gun'
but I sure wouldn't want to come up against armed insurgents with a
single-shot bolt action hunting rifle and a small magazine pistol.
Hunting and self-defense in the home are strawman arguments from the
left.

Some light reading:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Second-Amendment/Origins-and-historical-antecedents

On Aug 3, 2021 at 5:46:28 AM MST, "FromTheRafters" wrote
<sebdri$8es$1@dont-email.me>:

>> Allowing gun ownership is not consistent with owning guns?
>
> What was actually stated in the previous post is stll up there. Any
> type of gun 'as prescribed by law' is a far cry from 'any type of gun'
> but I sure wouldn't want to come up against armed insurgents with a
> single-shot bolt action hunting rifle and a small magazine pistol.
> Hunting and self-defense in the home are strawman arguments from the
> left.
>
> Some light reading:
>
> https://www.britannica.com/topic/Second-Amendment/Origins-and-historical-antecedents

I was not really making any point about gun ownership but noting what I saw as
inconsistencies with Commander Kinsey's claims.

As far as the second amendment, I do not think anyone says our right to own
arms should be unlimited. Nukes are arms -- do we want private citizens
running around with those? The question is where to draw the lines.

I personally think going with the historical / scholarly interpretation of the
second amendment makes more sense than jumping to the newer NRA-pushed view
which is more about supporting gun manufacturers than about rights for the
people.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Aug 2, 2021 at 11:54:09 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <seap6h$8bn$1@dont-email.me>:

> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 2, 2021 at 3:03:43 PM MST, "Chris" wrote <se9q3u$t7o$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> Snit <brock.mcnuggets@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Aug 1, 2021 at 5:00:23 AM MST, "Chris" wrote <se62cn$q2p$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because murder is about the only thing we should be stopping, along with
>>>>>>> burglary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I can have my 72 guns. OK.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can have one as long as you have a purpose for it. So a hunting rifle
>>>>> or a ahotgun. No handguns or semi-automatic rifles.
>>>>
>>>> That is contrary to his idea on anything is OK but murder.
>>>
>>> That's because he's not rational.
>>
>> Agreed. He tries to back his views by saying that they are just what he
>> wants... what he calls "common sense".
>>
>>>>> You'll need a licence and complete background checks which take a few
>>>>> months to complete. You also need to be prepared for an annual police visit
>>>>> to check you're storing it correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks -- but I am talking philosophy not what actually is. Still, good to
>>>> know what is. :)
>>>
>>> Philosophically that's still the optimal method. Allowing gun ownership is
>>> not consistent with owning any type of gun.
>>
>> Allowing gun ownership is not consistent with owning guns?
>
> *Any* guns. It's not carte blanche. There's always a limit to that
> "freedom", even in the US.

OK, if you mean limits I agree. And the second does not even mention guns, it
mentions arms (in the context of a well regulated militia, at that).

Nobody thinks people should own ANY arm... nukes, ricin, whatever. The
question is where to draw the line, not if a line should be drawn.

> just because you've a right to gun ownership, it doesn't automatically mean
> you're entitled to an arsenal of Uzis or AK-47s. So the same should be for
> military-style assault weapons. For the self-defence argument a handgun is
> plenty and for hunting a rifle is fine.
>
> Then, given these are lethal weapons and are very dangerous when mishandled
> it also appropriate for gun owners to be properly profiled and adequate
> storage required.
>
> None of the above is inconsistent with gun rights, the second amendment or
> freedom. It just sensible precautions in modern society.

Add to all of that, if you look at the scholarly interpretations of the second
before the NRA started pushing their modern views it is very different than
how it is often seen now. Why go with a new interpretation... one that is far
more beneficial to the gun industry than to the people.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

FromTheRafters wrote:
> Paul formulated on Monday :
>> knuttle wrote:
>>
>>> I have seen people driving alone in their cars wearing mask. Is this
>>> logical who is going to contaminate them. The front seat?
>>
>> I can answer this one. If you're making frequent stops, it
>> makes more sense to just leave it on.
>>
>> If I'm doing a "single stop" drive, I take it off after the
>> mask-required time is done.
>>
>> Paul
>
> We shouldn't be forgetting that the fomite vector still exists. I don't
> wear a mask in my truck because nobody else drives it. If your vehicle
> gets used by others, masking is still a good idea.

The fomite vector still exists. Well, sort of.

Updated Apr. 5, 2021

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

Paul

knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> On 8/3/2021 3:52 AM, Chris wrote:
>>
>> "Common sense" is not a thing. It's a refuge for people not wanting to
>> follow the rules.
>
>
> The lack of "Common sense" is: With no cars visible in any direction,
> standing at a street corner in the pouring rain wait for the traffic
> light to allow you to cross the street.

You've obviously never been to Germany :)

People can choose or not to following street signage. There may be
consequences for not following the instructions.

> The lack of "Common sense" is: Driving 60 mph in icy conditions on a
> winding road.

That's simply dangerous and often against the law.

> The lack of "Common sense" is: wearing a mask to protect your self from
> Covid when you are the only one in the middle of a foot ball field and
> no one is in the stadium.

No-one mandates that. Making things up doesn't help your case.