On 8/4/21 12:19 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>
>> But you do have the time to throw out insults
>> and narratives.  And to a person who has only
>> shown friendship towards you.
>>
>
> Thanks for that, but you are so wrong on this covid-19 subject that  I
> no longer want to argue about it. My son and I both have the 2 shots so
> that's what counts to me.
>
> Rene

Hi Rene,

I hope it does not harm you or your sons. Odds
are it won't.

I will continue praying for your cancer issues
my friend.

-T

On 8/4/21 1:49 PM, Paul wrote:
> T wrote:
>> Rene,
>>
>> This will really PISS YOU OFF!
>>
>> Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of
>> vaccine-resistant strains
>>
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3
>>
>> More variants because of the jabs?
>>
>> Keep in mind this is just a mathematical model
>>
>> -T
>
> We didn't even need a study or an article for this.
>
> It was all predicted from the start, based on
> knowing what family the virus belongs to.
>
> There was always the possibility it would behave
> like seasonal flu and need a new vaccine each year.
>
> Notice how the poor turnout for seasonal flu vaccine,
> means the vaccine program could not control it. Instead,
> seasonal flu vaccine is mainly for people with pre-existing
> conditions, to enhance their survivability to catching flu.
> We can't hope for much more than that.
>
> Yet, the year we wear masks ??? No seasonal flu.
>
> And I consider the observation there, to be more
> strange than any of your ideas. How is that even possible ?
> It means the fomite contribution on seasonal flu,
> is virtually zero.
>
> MERS was not defeated. There are still cases of MERS every
> year. Maybe the camels continue to be the reservoir. And
> yet MERS is considered to be a success. I think it's
> a success.
>
> Ebola is not defeated. Ring vaccination helps control outbreaks.
> There is likely an animal reservoir or something.
>
> Every year in the US, people come to the doctors
> office with Plague. And it's dealt with.
>
> The purpose of having a vaccine, is to have a "weapon"
> in hand. As is the process of analyzing offlist uses
> of existing drugs (as opposed to spending a few
> billion bucks designing a drug from scratch). These
> are hunts for weapons, so we go into a fight "armed".
>
> Like seasonal flu, we can *attempt* to defeat it, but
> that doesn't mean we will. Instead, it's mainly a
> fascinating look at writhing human nature. (Stealing
> medical equipment off airport tarmacs, by giving
> the vendor more money than the person that already
> bought the materials. That sort of "human nature".
> The screw-your-buddy type.)
>
>    Paul

Hi Paul,

Good points all around.

One thing I would like to point out is that the flu
shot is only 60-70% effective against the strain
in the shot. The actual effectiveness against the
shot in the wild is 0%. Getting the flu shot makes
no difference one way or the other, unless you
have an allergic reaction to the preservative and/or accelerants.

Also having therapies that allow for "breakthrough
infections" make for variant incubators. Those with
the jab are far more dangerous than those without
the jab. Some pushing the mRNA Therapy have gotten
this sadly backwards.

Math behind the above statement:

Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of
vaccine-resistant strains
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3

And not all viruses go mutation crazy, just some.
The sooner our bodies learn "the code" the better.
In the mean time, we need to protect those at risk
and not ruin the lives of everyone else.

-T

On 8/4/21 12:47 PM, Tim Slattery wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 8/3/21 7:59 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It is not a vaccine. It is an mRNA Therapy
>>>> (the "Jab") being mischaracterized as a vaccine.
>>>
>>> It trains your immune system to attack the virus. That's what vaccines
>>> do. It's a vaccine.
>>
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>> You are being lied to. It is not a vaccine as it does
>> not contain any part of the virus.
>
> THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE. A vaccine teaches your immune
> system to defeat the virus (or bacteria). How is does it is completely
> immaterial.
>
>> It also does not
>> train your immune system. It attempts to replace
>> a function of it tricking your immune system into producing
>> antibodies that disappear in a year or less. Your
>> body DOES NOT have the information to do it itself
>> afterwards. With a real vaccine, your body does
>> remember and does have the tools.
>
> Nope. No difference.
>

Tim,

You are being lied to. mRNA therapy wears off
a ton sooner than does an actual vaccine. This
is because your body was tricked into producing
an antibody. Once the trick wears off, it is
gone. Your body has to start over. And if the
mRNA therapy developed Antibody Dependent
Enhancement (ADE), you can not develop immunity
on your own to the target of the mRNA therapy.
This is why several other mRNA therapies were
discontinued.

I sincerely hope it does not happen here and if
it does, Big Pharma with big dollar signs in
their eyes comes up with a booster program
to protect victims of ADE.

The big issue here is, we just DO NOT KNOW.
This is a YUGE judgment call on the part of
the authorities. Come out with a dangerous,
untested therapy and potentially save a lot of
people or wait for proper testing and lose a
lot of folks during the wait. I would not want
to be in their shoes. We just do not know.
(A lot of test animals died from ADE.)

And the good news is that the death rate from the
commie flu is now very low. Heart disease is now
killing 10 times as many folks.

-T

On 2021-08-05 12:49 p.m., T wrote:
> On 8/4/21 12:47 PM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/3/21 7:59 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It is not a vaccine.  It is an mRNA Therapy
>>>>> (the "Jab") being mischaracterized as a vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> It trains your immune system to attack the virus. That's what vaccines
>>>> do. It's a vaccine.
>>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> You are being lied to.  It is not a vaccine as it does
>>> not contain any part of the virus.
>>
>> THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE. A vaccine teaches your immune
>> system to defeat the virus (or bacteria). How is does it is completely
>> immaterial.
>>
>>> It also does not
>>> train your immune system.  It attempts to replace
>>> a function of it tricking your immune system into producing
>>> antibodies that disappear in a year or less.  Your
>>> body DOES NOT have the information to do it itself
>>> afterwards.  With a real vaccine, your body does
>>> remember and does have the tools.
>>
>> Nope. No difference.
>>
>
>
> Tim,
>
> You are being lied to.  mRNA therapy wears off
> a ton sooner than does an actual vaccine.  This
> is because your body was tricked into producing
> an antibody.  Once the trick wears off, it is
> gone.  Your body has to start over.  And if the
> mRNA therapy developed Antibody Dependent
> Enhancement (ADE), you can not develop immunity
> on your own to the target of the mRNA therapy.
> This is why several other mRNA therapies were
> discontinued.

Wrong.

Why would antibodies created to bond with an antigen be any different
because the antigen was produced by mRNA as opposed to the RNA of the
actual virus?

In article <sehelf$d04$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> One thing I would like to point out is that the flu
> shot is only 60-70% effective against the strain
> in the shot. The actual effectiveness against the
> shot in the wild is 0%.

you omitted the leading digit.

<https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm>
...recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu
illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population
during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched
to the flu vaccine.

> Getting the flu shot makes
> no difference one way or the other, unless you
> have an allergic reaction to the preservative and/or accelerants.

nonsense. the flu vaccine lowers the risk of getting the flu, and if
someone does, it lowers the severity. it's possible to get a different
strain of the flu, however.

> Also having therapies that allow for "breakthrough
> infections" make for variant incubators. Those with
> the jab are far more dangerous than those without
> the jab. Some pushing the mRNA Therapy have gotten
> this sadly backwards.

it's you who has it backwards. what drives variants are unvaccinated
people.

> Math behind the above statement:
>
> Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of
> vaccine-resistant strains
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3

you might want to read what you link because it says the *opposite* of
what you think it does.

As expected, we found that a fast rate of vaccination decreases
the probability of emergence of a resistant strain.

> And not all viruses go mutation crazy, just some.

all viruses mutate.

> The sooner our bodies learn "the code" the better.
> In the mean time, we need to protect those at risk
> and not ruin the lives of everyone else.

and we can do that by getting vaccinated, wearing masks, social
distancing and overall general hygiene, all of which you refuse to do.

In article <sehe0t$4nf$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Unfortunately unless a significant portion of the reluctant do as well
> > it may be moot with the next variant incarnation...
>
> Looking at the math behind
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3
>
> A poor therapy that allows for "breakthrough infections"
> is an incubator for variants.

it doesn't work that way, plus it's a vaccine, not a therapy.

> A real vaccine
> done correctly wipes the little bastards out before
> they can mutate.

another thing you don't understand.

> There is going to be a lot of finger pointing when
> this is all said and done.

not in the way you might think.

In article <sehfd5$mhd$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You are being lied to.

*you* are being lied to, and what's worse is you believe those lies and
reject anything that says otherwise.

> mRNA therapy wears off
> a ton sooner than does an actual vaccine. This
> is because your body was tricked into producing
> an antibody. Once the trick wears off, it is
> gone. Your body has to start over.

nope. it's an actual vaccine and the antibody response is very durable.
those who were vaccinated last winter, when vaccinations began, are
still showing high antibody levels. how long that will last is unknown,
but as of right now, there is no indication it's waning.

<https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/28/health/coronavirus-vaccines-immunity.
html>
The vaccines made by Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna set off a persistent
immune reaction in the body that may protect against the coronavirus
for years, scientists reported on Monday.

Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> On 2021-08-05 12:49 p.m., T wrote:
>> On 8/4/21 12:47 PM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/3/21 7:59 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not a vaccine.  It is an mRNA Therapy
>>>>>> (the "Jab") being mischaracterized as a vaccine.
>>>>>
>>>>> It trains your immune system to attack the virus. That's what vaccines
>>>>> do. It's a vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>
>>>> You are being lied to.  It is not a vaccine as it does
>>>> not contain any part of the virus.
>>>
>>> THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE. A vaccine teaches your immune
>>> system to defeat the virus (or bacteria). How is does it is completely
>>> immaterial.
>>>
>>>> It also does not
>>>> train your immune system.  It attempts to replace
>>>> a function of it tricking your immune system into producing
>>>> antibodies that disappear in a year or less.  Your
>>>> body DOES NOT have the information to do it itself
>>>> afterwards.  With a real vaccine, your body does
>>>> remember and does have the tools.
>>>
>>> Nope. No difference.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Tim,
>>
>> You are being lied to.  mRNA therapy wears off
>> a ton sooner than does an actual vaccine.  This
>> is because your body was tricked into producing
>> an antibody.  Once the trick wears off, it is
>> gone.  Your body has to start over.  And if the
>> mRNA therapy developed Antibody Dependent
>> Enhancement (ADE), you can not develop immunity
>> on your own to the target of the mRNA therapy.
>> This is why several other mRNA therapies were
>> discontinued.
>
> Wrong.
>
> Why would antibodies created to bond with an antigen be any different
> because the antigen was produced by mRNA as opposed to the RNA of the
> actual virus?

Actually the antibodies are raised against viral proteins. RNA itself is
not antigenic. However, it doesn't matter whether the proteins come from a
vaccine RNA template or the virus itself, the immunological response is the
same.

On 2021-08-06 12:09 a.m., Chris wrote:
> Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>> On 2021-08-05 12:49 p.m., T wrote:
>>> On 8/4/21 12:47 PM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 8/3/21 7:59 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
>>>>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not a vaccine.  It is an mRNA Therapy
>>>>>>> (the "Jab") being mischaracterized as a vaccine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It trains your immune system to attack the virus. That's what vaccines
>>>>>> do. It's a vaccine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>>
>>>>> You are being lied to.  It is not a vaccine as it does
>>>>> not contain any part of the virus.
>>>>
>>>> THAT MAKES ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE. A vaccine teaches your immune
>>>> system to defeat the virus (or bacteria). How is does it is completely
>>>> immaterial.
>>>>
>>>>> It also does not
>>>>> train your immune system.  It attempts to replace
>>>>> a function of it tricking your immune system into producing
>>>>> antibodies that disappear in a year or less.  Your
>>>>> body DOES NOT have the information to do it itself
>>>>> afterwards.  With a real vaccine, your body does
>>>>> remember and does have the tools.
>>>>
>>>> Nope. No difference.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tim,
>>>
>>> You are being lied to.  mRNA therapy wears off
>>> a ton sooner than does an actual vaccine.  This
>>> is because your body was tricked into producing
>>> an antibody.  Once the trick wears off, it is
>>> gone.  Your body has to start over.  And if the
>>> mRNA therapy developed Antibody Dependent
>>> Enhancement (ADE), you can not develop immunity
>>> on your own to the target of the mRNA therapy.
>>> This is why several other mRNA therapies were
>>> discontinued.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>> Why would antibodies created to bond with an antigen be any different
>> because the antigen was produced by mRNA as opposed to the RNA of the
>> actual virus?
>
> Actually the antibodies are raised against viral proteins. RNA itself is
> not antigenic. However, it doesn't matter whether the proteins come from a
> vaccine RNA template or the virus itself, the immunological response is the
> same.
>

I know that. That's what I was emphasizing: that the proteins are the
same regardless of whether the get produced by the virus's RNA or the
mRNA vaccine.

On 2021-08-05 2:27 p.m., T wrote:
> On 8/4/21 12:19 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>
>>> But you do have the time to throw out insults
>>> and narratives.  And to a person who has only
>>> shown friendship towards you.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for that, but you are so wrong on this covid-19 subject that  I
>> no longer want to argue about it. My son and I both have the 2 shots
>> so that's what counts to me.
>>
>> Rene
>
> Hi Rene,
>
> I hope it does not harm you or your sons.  Odds
> are it won't.
>
> I will continue praying for your cancer issues
> my friend.
>
> -T
>

Thanks.

Rene

Here are some actual number for the month:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

Month: July 2021
Deaths involving Covid: 2505
Deaths all causes: 161276
Deaths involving Pneumonia: 2695
Deaths from the flu: 13
Deaths involving Pneumonia and Covid: 3172

Some of the math does not make sense, but it gives a
general description

On 8/7/21 3:24 PM, T wrote:
> Here are some actual number for the month:
>
> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
>
> Month: July 2021
> Deaths involving Covid:               2505
> Deaths all causes:                  161276
> Deaths involving Pneumonia:           2695
> Deaths from the flu:                    13
> Deaths involving Pneumonia and Covid: 3172
>
>
> Some of the math does not make sense, but it gives a
> general description
>

Data As Of 08/04/2021
Jurisdiction of Occurrence United States
Week Ending Date 2021-07-24

Diseases of heart (I00-I09,I11,I13,I20-I51) 6715
Cerebrovascular diseases (I60-I69) 1737
COVID-19 (U071, Underlying Cause of Death) 1255
Diabetes mellitus (E10-E14) 880

On 8/7/21 4:08 PM, T wrote:
> On 8/7/21 3:24 PM, T wrote:
>> Here are some actual number for the month:
>>
>> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
>>
>> Month: July 2021
>> Deaths involving Covid:               2505
>> Deaths all causes:                  161276
>> Deaths involving Pneumonia:           2695
>> Deaths from the flu:                    13
>> Deaths involving Pneumonia and Covid: 3172
>>
>>
>> Some of the math does not make sense, but it gives a
>> general description
>>
>
>
> Data As Of                    08/04/2021
> Jurisdiction of Occurrence    United States
> Week Ending Date                2021-07-24
>
> Diseases of heart (I00-I09,I11,I13,I20-I51)    6715
> Cerebrovascular diseases (I60-I69)            1737
> COVID-19 (U071, Underlying Cause of Death)      1255
> Diabetes mellitus (E10-E14)                      880
>
>
>

Ooops, forgot the cite:

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Weekly-Provisional-Counts-of-Deaths-by-State-and-S/muzy-jte6/data

Diabetes mellitus is almost completely preventable
and highly treatable after the fact.

Hmmmmm..... we really, really have our priorities
straight, don't we.

T wrote:
> Diabetes mellitus is almost completely preventable
> and highly treatable after the fact.

Type 2, yes. Type 1, no.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

In article <seot8f$caj$1@dont-email.me>, Jonathan N. Little
<lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:

> T wrote:
> > Diabetes mellitus is almost completely preventable
> > and highly treatable after the fact.
>
> Type 2, yes. Type 1, no.

it's a bogus comparison.

diabetes is not contagious, whereas covid *is* contagious, delta very
much so.

On 8/8/21 8:29 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> T wrote:
>> Diabetes mellitus is almost completely preventable
>> and highly treatable after the fact.
>
> Type 2, yes. Type 1, no.
>

T1: an autoimmune disease

T2 A.K.A. Diabetes mellitus: injury caused by
long term poisoning with high glycemic carbohydrates

T3: Alzheimer

T3C: drug induced (requires a good lawyer)

I am a drug free T2. I have not touched a drug of
any kind now for 8 years now and am totally under
control by reverting to the "historically appropriate
human diet" (Keto).

On 2021-08-08 5:37 p.m., T wrote:
> On 8/8/21 8:29 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>> Diabetes mellitus is almost completely preventable
>>> and highly treatable after the fact.
>>
>> Type 2, yes. Type 1, no.
>>
>
> T1: an autoimmune disease
>
> T2 A.K.A. Diabetes mellitus: injury caused by
> long term poisoning with high glycemic carbohydrates
>
> T3: Alzheimer
>
> T3C: drug induced (requires a good lawyer)
>
>
> I am a drug free T2.  I have not touched a drug of
> any kind now for 8 years now and am totally under
> control by reverting to the "historically appropriate
> human diet" (Keto).

Please stop trying to pretend you actually understand this stuff. It's
just embarrassing for you:

'Causes

Type 2 diabetes is primarily the result of two interrelated problems:

• Cells in muscle, fat and the liver become resistant to insulin.
Because these cells don't interact in a normal way with insulin, they
don't take in enough sugar.

• The pancreas is unable to produce enough insulin to manage blood sugar
levels.

Exactly why this happens is unknown, but being overweight and inactive
are key contributing factors.'

<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/type-2-diabetes/symptoms-causes/syc-20351193>

If the Mayo Clinic cannot say definitively what causes Type 2 diabetes...

....what in the world makes your conclusions more credible?

In article <septbt$n63$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
> I am a drug free T2. I have not touched a drug of
> any kind now for 8 years now and am totally under
> control by reverting to the "historically appropriate
> human diet" (Keto).

if you continue with not wearing masks and not getting vaccinated
against covid, you're very likely to end up touching a variety of
drugs.

"Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:

>T wrote:
>> Diabetes mellitus is almost completely preventable
>> and highly treatable after the fact.
>
>Type 2, yes. Type 1, no.

Right,, for "preventable". Treatable, kinda. Insulin therapy, of
course. The Drug companies are making that more and more expensive, to
the extent that many can't afford the dose they should have. Also,
even with insulin therapy, the disease can have long-term
implications: eye problems leading to blindness, circulation problems
leading to amputation, etc.

--
Tim Slattery
tim <at> risingdove <dot> com

On 8/9/21 9:23 AM, Tim Slattery wrote:
> "Jonathan N. Little" <lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> T wrote:
>>> Diabetes mellitus is almost completely preventable
>>> and highly treatable after the fact.
>>
>> Type 2, yes. Type 1, no.
>
> Right,, for "preventable". Treatable, kinda. Insulin therapy, of
> course. The Drug companies are making that more and more expensive, to
> the extent that many can't afford the dose they should have. Also,
> even with insulin therapy, the disease can have long-term
> implications: eye problems leading to blindness, circulation problems
> leading to amputation, etc.
>

Hi Tim,

With T2, you don't need drugs. You need self discipline.
What poisoned you to start with is very, very addictive.
You have to kick the addiction. If you instead decide
to play "trick the meter" with drugs and allopaths and
eat what you want and remain addicted, you are committing
suicide by the installment program. First your toes ....

Keep in mind that Trick the Meter does not stop
the syndrome from continuing just like it did before
you played games with drugs. These are the "long-term
implication" you refer to. The Historically Human
Appropriate Diet (keto) stop these implications in their
tracks and your body can start to heal.

With T1, you can vastly reduce your dependence on insulin
by following the same discipline as T2. The "wild swings"
are what cause all the problems.

I have lost some friends to Trick the Meter. A few I
have been close to. Last year a distance in-law died
on the operating room table to remove his legs.
He tricked the meters too.

Took me about three weeks to kick the addition. I did
not know what was happening at the time. Had things
crawling all over me and emotionally felt like I
was going to starve to death, even though I was
surrounded by tons of food I could eat. It was
a total bummer, but it is doable.

Oh here is a bonus. Once you kick the addiction, your
sense of taste returns and you LOVE you food again.

Or you can stay addicted and play Trick the Meter.
Your protracted suicide will make the drug companies
and allopaths rich in the process. Make sure you
have your will in order and those you have made
commitments to financially taken care of.

-T

On 05/08/2021 21:28, nospam wrote:
> In article <sehelf$d04$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> One thing I would like to point out is that the flu
>> shot is only 60-70% effective against the strain
>> in the shot. The actual effectiveness against the
>> shot in the wild is 0%.
>
> you omitted the leading digit.
>
> <https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/vaccineeffect.htm>
> ...recent studies show that flu vaccination reduces the risk of flu
> illness by between 40% and 60% among the overall population
> during seasons when most circulating flu viruses are well-matched
> to the flu vaccine.
>
>> Getting the flu shot makes
>> no difference one way or the other, unless you
>> have an allergic reaction to the preservative and/or accelerants.
>
> nonsense. the flu vaccine lowers the risk of getting the flu, and if
> someone does, it lowers the severity. it's possible to get a different
> strain of the flu, however.
>
>> Also having therapies that allow for "breakthrough
>> infections" make for variant incubators. Those with
>> the jab are far more dangerous than those without
>> the jab. Some pushing the mRNA Therapy have gotten
>> this sadly backwards.
>
> it's you who has it backwards. what drives variants are unvaccinated
> people.
>
>> Math behind the above statement:
>>
>> Rates of SARS-CoV-2 transmission and vaccination impact the fate of
>> vaccine-resistant strains
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-95025-3
>
> you might want to read what you link because it says the *opposite* of
> what you think it does.
>
> As expected, we found that a fast rate of vaccination decreases
> the probability of emergence of a resistant strain.
>
>> And not all viruses go mutation crazy, just some.
>
> all viruses mutate.

More broadly all living things mutate. The quicker the reproductive
cycle the more obvious it is. Microbes like viruses and bacteria can
replicate in minutes which is why microbes are the most commonly talked
about ones.

It is the molecular basis that underpins evolution through natural
selection.

>> The sooner our bodies learn "the code" the better.
>> In the mean time, we need to protect those at risk
>> and not ruin the lives of everyone else.
>
> and we can do that by getting vaccinated, wearing masks, social
> distancing and overall general hygiene, all of which you refuse to do.
>

On 7/27/21 2:07 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-07-27 2:21 p.m., T wrote:
>> On 7/27/21 7:26 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> New masks on entry
>>
>> Hmmm.  Do they give you the mask?  If so, do
>> you happen to know what kind of mask and its
>> N rating?  Do they make you shave?
>
> T,   Did you understand what Paul just wrote?
> I hope so, but I doubt it.
> I was beginning to think you might turn out OK but I was Wrong.
>
> Rene
>
>

Hi Rene,

I finally have time to respond. You are point out
that Paul's description is how professionals are
handing the situation.

You are missing the big picture. Because of the
propaganda narrative bull shit concerning masks
(there is Z-E-R-O scientific evidence to back up
their effectiveness) against the spread of viruses,
the hospital would be insane not to play like they
were following the narrative. If they did not,
can you imagine the yelling and screaming from
those that believe the propaganda narrative?
The professionals have to "play along".

This is evidenced by what Paul wrote. They pulled
their masks down to talk to each other. If these
"professionals" believe there was a 0.0000001% percent
chance they could be harmed, they would be DECKED
OUT IN EBOLA SUITES. They know the masks do not
protect them. This is all for show.

-T

On 2021-08-16 3:23 p.m., T wrote:
> On 7/27/21 2:07 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> On 2021-07-27 2:21 p.m., T wrote:
>>> On 7/27/21 7:26 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>>> New masks on entry
>>>
>>> Hmmm.  Do they give you the mask?  If so, do
>>> you happen to know what kind of mask and its
>>> N rating?  Do they make you shave?
>>
>> T,   Did you understand what Paul just wrote?
>> I hope so, but I doubt it.
>> I was beginning to think you might turn out OK but I was Wrong.
>>
>> Rene
>>
>>
>
> Hi Rene,
>
> I finally have time to respond.  You are point out
> that Paul's description is how professionals are
> handing the situation.
>
> You are missing the big picture.  Because of the
> propaganda narrative bull shit concerning masks
> (there is Z-E-R-O scientific evidence to back up
> their effectiveness)

Wrong.

> against the spread of viruses,
> the hospital would be insane not to play like they
> were following the narrative.  If they did not,
> can you imagine the yelling and screaming from
> those that believe the propaganda narrative?
> The professionals have to "play along".
>
> This is evidenced by what Paul wrote.  They pulled
> their masks down to talk to each other.  If these
> "professionals" believe there was a 0.0000001% percent
> chance they could be harmed, they would be DECKED
> OUT IN EBOLA SUITES.  They know the masks do not
> protect them.  This is all for show.

Wrong.

In article <sfeohj$ndo$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You are missing the big picture. Because of the
> propaganda narrative bull shit concerning masks
> (there is Z-E-R-O scientific evidence to back up
> their effectiveness) against the spread of viruses,

there is overwhelming evidence that masks are very effective, in both
clinical studies, some of which *you* linked (but did not understand)
but also real world data, where the spread was reduced with widespread
mask use.

> the hospital would be insane not to play like they
> were following the narrative. If they did not,
> can you imagine the yelling and screaming from
> those that believe the propaganda narrative?
> The professionals have to "play along".

nonsense. the professionals understand the benefit of masks and how
viruses and other pathogens spread.

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You are missing the big picture. Because of the propaganda narrative
> bull shit concerning masks (there is Z-E-R-O scientific evidence to
> back up their effectiveness) against the spread of viruses, the
> hospital would be insane not to play like they were following the
> narrative. If they did not, can you imagine the yelling and
> screaming from those that believe the propaganda narrative? The
> professionals have to "play along".

When you buy good masks at the hardware store, they have a rating to
show their filtering efficacy, like N95, P100, or a HEPA rating.
Obviously the nose+mouth masks, of any quality, do absolutely nothing
about preventing projectile mucus or saliva from hitting your eyes,
another entry point for infection (and why some health workers wear face
shields although some of those still fail to include a mask).
Disposable masks have no rating. You can use coffee filters, paper
towels, or tissue paper with equal effectiveness.

You don't wear a mask to protect yourself from others. You wear a mask
to protect others from you. Obviously their use is only effective if
EVERYONE is wearing a mask. The boobs wearing bandanas, hankies, or
other cloth masks aren't protecting in either direction. Those are
condoms with holes. It's just for show usually to get around store
restrictions that you wear a mask. There are disposable N95 masks (the
whole mask is disposed, not just a filter held into the mask). Those
cost $2 apiece, or the P100 masks ($36) with replaceable filters
$15/pr), but everyone wears the cheap 17-cent masks. Doesn't take long
doing a lot of sanding to realize those cheap masks are worthless to
filter out even the huge dust particles compared to the tiny 0.1 micron
viruses.

Masks are no longer required if you've had the vaccine and booster (now
the CDC is recommending 3 shots for highly susceptible persons). How do
you know someone not wearing a mask has been vaccinated? You don't.
You are not a law officer, so you cannot demand they present their
vaccination card which is also not legally required to be carried on a
person at all times. Is vaccination 100% effective? Nope. Someone
vaccinated can still get infected although the symptoms are attenuated
for them, but they can still spread the disease.

The Covid19 virus has a size down to 0.1 micron, but viruses don't exist
naked. They are bonded to a wrapper which makes them effectively
larger. P100 and N95 masks are effective despite having a filter rating
larger than the naked virus. Filters are rated by 95% capture at their
/least/ efficient filtering size. Particles also have a Brownian motion
(zig zag) that has the particle impact more than a single filter fiber.
However, some have exhaust valves which means there is no filtering when
you exhale. You filter on inhale, but others are at risk when you
exhale. Those are used where you don't care about your exhale, and the
viruses it may contain, into the surrounding environ. You don't care if
the dust cloud from sanding happens to contact your cold virus. You
should care about your exhalation that contacts other humans.

Have you seen anyone wearing a P100/N95 mask in a grocery store or mall
(https://hw.menardc.com/main/items/media/3MCOM001/ProductLarge/2122230_7100156931_SF1.jpg),
or even at the hardware store where you buy them? Instead you see
everyone wearing cheap disposable masks equivalent to 3 coffee filters
(https://hw.menardc.com/main/items/media/XHONG001/ProductLarge/2122275_P_C.jpg).

The premise by the CDC was something was better than nothing. Instead
of sneezing into the air or into your hand or your sleeve, you wear a
mask to protect others from your flying snot and spit. Coffee filters
with elastic ear bands would work, too.