On 2021-07-27 10:43 a.m., Jim H wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jul 2021 00:17:43 -0400, in
> <270720210017437254%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <1sKLI.37628$Yv3.15801@fx41.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The problem is that despite their best intentions, the doses don't
>>> _stay_ in the muscle. They manage their way into the rest of the body
>>
>> that's kinda the point. a vaccine is not of much use if it's only in
>> one muscle.
>>
>>> which is where the blood clots, whether microscopic or obvious, happen.
>>
>> microscopic cloths don't matter and what you call obvious clots are
>> rare.
>>
>> the j&j vaccine, which does have a small risk of clots, mostly in
>> younger women, has a *lower* incidence of blood clotting than many
>> other medications that have been used for *years*, including birth
>> control pills.
>>
>> do you want to ban that too?
>
> the only solid number I saw for the incidence of clotting after
> receiving the vaccine was about 6 in a million. The incidence of
> clotting in the absence of any vaccine or other known causative agent
> is about 5 in a million. those numbers are statistically
> insignificant... and when that was pointed out we got no more
> statistics, just apocryphal stories.
>
> How interesting when the incidence is so low that RR seems to be
> acquainted with several.

"Don't believe your lying eyes!"

--
Rabid Roach
Immune to all _ist labels

On 7/27/21 7:26 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> New masks on entry

Hmmm. Do they give you the mask? If so, do
you happen to know what kind of mask and its
N rating? Do they make you shave?

T wrote:
> On 7/27/21 7:26 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> New masks on entry
>
> Hmmm. Do they give you the mask? If so, do
> you happen to know what kind of mask and its
> N rating? Do they make you shave?

It's the mask you despise, and helps keep your
outbursts to yourself.

In the article here, it's the surgical mask.
Pleated, blue on one side, white on the other,
two elastics for ear-loops. Has a nose-wire on
one side, which you bend and fit to your
nose profile. The other side of the mask fits
around your chin or so. At the hospital, they
are extracted from the mask box with "tongs"
and handed to the incoming client. Even though
the staff are also wearing nitrile gloves.

https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/which-type-of-face-mask-most-effective-against-covid-19

Even when I had my face-to-face with the
respirologist, he wore the same mask as I did,
as talking to me through an N95 would have been
lots of fun.

And I've been in places, where some of the staff
(like out-front reception), pull their mask to
the side, to talk to one another, completely
defeating whatever purpose the mask was supposed
to have.

Life is full of compromises. You don't drive
absolutely the best car they could make. But it
still gets you around.

We could be wearing SCBA, but we're not, because
it's not the Andromeda Strain. For example, if
this stuff had the transmissibility of measles,
we'd all be dead by now, draped across park benches,
street curbs, and so on.

The objective is to keep super-spreader individuals
and their droplet output under control. There have
been events, where the indoor air circulation blew
past the super-spreader, and everyone in the downstream
airstream caught it. The surgical mask reduces the
impact people like that have, on others.

One of the scary observations here, is we have a
"sick pay" option supported by the government right
now, where people who feel unwell, can stay away from
their work. And the uptake for that plan, has been
practically zero. In that regard, if the
average person has developed a suspicious cough,
they still don't have the common sense to keep it
to themselves, and (apparently) are still going to work.

Putting surgical masks on those dopey bastards, is
the best we can do.

Paul

Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-27 12:17 a.m., nospam wrote:
>> In article <sdnohu$rgl$3@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Take it or not -- your choice. What irritates me
>>> is that information is being withheld so you can make
>>> a decent informed choice.
>>
>> nothing is being withheld.
>>
>> if anything, there is an abundance of information.
>
> More lies:
>
> <https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/journalists-claim-alternative-covid-19-news-censorship-create-one-official-narrative/>
>
>
> <https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/05/vaccine-info-site-censored/>
>
> <https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/censored-pro-vaccine-doctor-francis-christian-over-covid-19-vaccine-safety-concerns/>
>
>
> <https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/06/02/we-now-know-why-facebook-may-have-censored-the-lab-leak-theory-n2590360>
>
>
> There are tons more but you will lie about that as well so I'm not going
> to bother.
>

I will accept academic quality articles with peer reviewed
cites at the end of the article. I can tell by the URL,
exactly what kind of site the above are. Waste of time sites.

I don't need any more echo-chamber URLs, thanks.

If some Russian pukes up yet another cutesy web site
for your consumption, no, I don't need to read that.
I don't drink bleach, because some web site feeds me a
line about how flavorful bleach is.

1) We have a public health system
2) We have a strategy.
3) Our performance as humans, is pretty damn slow.
As far as a "training run" goes, I think this is
exhibit enough, of how exposed we are, to the least
little thing.
4) The outcome in this case, was pretty obvious from
the start, that a lack of cooperation would turn this
into seasonal flu. Enjoy! So your lungs end up with
lesions on them, within the next five years. That's
cooperation for you. Imagine trying to get a lung transplant
in five years, and all the donor lungs are defective.

The best part of the "one narrative" you speak of, is
the doctors that treat me, use the "best practices flow chart"
for treatment. And drinking bleach is not on that chart.

Now, if all they did was scour sites with names like
townhall.com for tips, what kind of living hell would result ?

Paul

On 2021-07-27 2:21 p.m., T wrote:
> On 7/27/21 7:26 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>> New masks on entry
>
> Hmmm.  Do they give you the mask?  If so, do
> you happen to know what kind of mask and its
> N rating?  Do they make you shave?

T, Did you understand what Paul just wrote?
I hope so, but I doubt it.
I was beginning to think you might turn out OK but I was Wrong.

Rene

On 7/27/21 1:26 PM, Paul wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 7/27/21 7:26 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> New masks on entry
>>
>> Hmmm.  Do they give you the mask?  If so, do
>> you happen to know what kind of mask and its
>> N rating?  Do they make you shave?
>
> It's the mask you despise, and helps keep your
> outbursts to yourself.

I don't much particularity like masks, but I
do wear them if someone wants me to. I do take
advantage of the situation as my masks come
with a carbon charcoal filer that get rid of
about 60% of cigarette smoke and perfume. And
no one thinks I am weird for wearing a mask.

>
> In the article here, it's the surgical mask.
> Pleated, blue on one side, white on the other,
> two elastics for ear-loops. Has a nose-wire on
> one side, which you bend and fit to your
> nose profile. The other side of the mask fits
> around your chin or so. At the hospital, they
> are extracted from the mask box with "tongs"
> and handed to the incoming client. Even though
> the staff are also wearing nitrile gloves.
>
> https://news.llu.edu/health-wellness/which-type-of-face-mask-most-effective-against-covid-19

You do realize this is an "option piece"? It is
the worst kind of science. Actual Randomized
Clinical Trials show that no masks prevents
virus transmission. Only respirators: hoody
over the head, tube down your back, big asses
filter on your hip.

>
> Even when I had my face-to-face with the
> respirologist, he wore the same mask as I did,
> as talking to me through an N95 would have been
> lots of fun.
>
> And I've been in places, where some of the staff
> (like out-front reception), pull their mask to
> the side, to talk to one another, completely
> defeating whatever purpose the mask was supposed
> to have.

Does not make a difference. Mask are merely for
emotional support to make you and others feel like
you/they are protected. (And noe-Fascist wannabees
get their rocks off.)

I also asked you about being shaved as air goes
right around everything if you are not clean shaven.

Have you ever seen the OSHA regs on face masks?
N95 or better, clean shaven, vasoline around the
edges of the mask, discard every hour. See
anyone doing that?

One of my customers was in on the design on the N95.
He told me very clearly, they are not designed to
stop and do not stop viruses. And this is widely know.

>
> Life is full of compromises. You don't drive
> absolutely the best car they could make. But it
> still gets you around.
>
> We could be wearing SCBA, but we're not, because
> it's not the Andromeda Strain. For example, if
> this stuff had the transmissibility of measles,
> we'd all be dead by now, draped across park benches,
> street curbs, and so on.
>
> The objective is to keep super-spreader individuals
> and their droplet output under control.

Viruses are transmitted by "aerosol". Masks to
not stop aerosols.

As far as droplets go, a mask only stops those for
10 minutes until the humidity builds up and then there
is no difference. AND WORSE YET! When you breath hard,
you fracture the droplets into smaller droplets that
stay airborne longer. If you cough or sneeze, YOU CLUSTER
BOMB EVERYONE AROUND YOU. As far as droplets go,
it would be far better not to wear a mask.

And again, masks do nothing for the prime transmission of
viruses, which is aerosols.

This is a false sense of security THAT IS GOING TO GET
PEOPLE AT RISK KILLED.

> There hav
> been events, where the indoor air circulation blew
> past the super-spreader, and everyone in the downstream
> airstream caught it. The surgical mask reduces the
> impact people like that have, on others.
>
> One of the scary observations here, is we have a
> "sick pay" option supported by the government right
> now, where people who feel unwell, can stay away from
> their work. And the uptake for that plan, has been
> practically zero. In that regard, if the
> average person has developed a suspicious cough,
> they still don't have the common sense to keep it
> to themselves, and (apparently) are still going to work.
>
> Putting surgical masks on those dopey bastards, is
> the best we can do.
>
>    Paul

You do make a good point. I hate it when a customer
says "Today is a good day to come by. I am home
sick!"

If you are sick, STAY HOME! And don't invite vendors
over to your house!

I do not have sick pay or leave. I lose my shirt if
I get sick.

Worked for a day care center years ago. I was on my back
for over a month. I had EVERYTHING. I could have lost my
house. Needless to say, I do not work for day care center
anymore, except remotely. I also can not stand to see 20
babies lines up on mats screaming in terror. YOU DO THAT
TO YOUR DOG AND THEY PUT YOU IN JAIL!

My two big bug-a-boos on the mask front are

1) propaganda narratives, instead of science
being used in their recommendations

2) censorship of information that does not fit
the propaganda narrative

Now what really fries me it that someone with a
co-morbidity, where this or any other virus could
easily kill them, will think that they are actually
protected with a mask and go and get themselves
killed because they believed the propaganda narrative.

The actual science show that most folks that caught the commie flu WERE
wearing masks. WHAT A SURPRISE!

Community and Close Contact Exposures Associated with COVID-19 Among

Symptomatic Adults ≥18 Years in 11 Outpatient Health Care Facilities —

United States, July 2020

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf

And we have know this with randomized clinical trials
on other virus F-O-R Y-E-A-R-S!

And since you are exposed to medical folks (super spreaders)
YOU BE DAMNED CAREFUL. Die on me and I will dig you up and
make you answer my Windows questions. I want you around for
a lot more years my friend!

-T

On 7/27/21 5:44 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> T wrote:
>>
>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>
> Again absolutely false.
>
> mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
> parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the pathogens.
> What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
> that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
> weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
> immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
> hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
> disease.
>
> What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
> "taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
> pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
> if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the traditional
> vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the vaccine
> does NOT contain any of the pathogen.
>
> ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
> CANNOT mutate you!
>
>

I am sorry Jonathan, but you have been lied to. You need
to research what the mRNA therapy actually does and
how it creates Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

And please do not throw garbage at me like "CANNOT
mutate you". I never said or implied anything like that.

On 7/27/21 9:21 AM, Rabid Roach wrote:
> Your physical reaction to the vaccine is a lie! Stop convulsing this minute!
>

The reaction to the second not-a-vaccine vaccine is where
the first not-a-vaccine vaccine's fragment is attacking the second
not-a-vaccine vaccine's fragment. They are not
suppose to, which is why the separation.

Good luck keeping booster shots going after they
run out of alternate fragment they won't be attacked by
the fake antibodies from previous fragments.

If ADE kicks in, this may kill millions of folks.
I sincerely hope this is a first and ADE does not
kick in. I really, really hope that I am wrong.

On 7/27/21 2:07 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-07-27 2:21 p.m., T wrote:
>> On 7/27/21 7:26 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>>> New masks on entry
>>
>> Hmmm.  Do they give you the mask?  If so, do
>> you happen to know what kind of mask and its
>> N rating?  Do they make you shave?
>
> T,   Did you understand what Paul just wrote?
> I hope so, but I doubt it.
> I was beginning to think you might turn out OK but I was Wrong.
>
> Rene
>
>

Hi Rene,

No, I am still okay. No worries.

I understood. I was asking for more information. He
did provide it for me. The masks are blue on the
outside and white the inside. And he did not know
their N rating. Plus no OSHA style mask requirements,
such as shaving and vasoline around the edges. A
New mask is good though, Osha wants them changed
every hour.

Just out of curiosity, when you visit your doctors
are there any interesting special precautions
happening?

I have some blue and white masks. They are N-Zero and
totally worthless. But on the bright side, folks that
have been frightened by the propaganda narrative on masks
calm down and don't freak out. And the last thing I
want to do it to frighten these people. It just is not neighborly!

The masks I wear have a carbon charcoal layer that cut donw on cigarette
smoke and perfume. No one thinks I am strange wearing them. Chuckle.
That won't last forever. I had
to tell a customer last week that I was putting on my mask because his
new paint fumes were bugging me. It worked half way, which was good
enough. I make sure and tell them when I mask up that if is NOT because
I think they are trying to kill me, but for some other reason.

-T

T wrote:
> On 7/27/21 5:44 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>>
>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>> take or not. Be fully informed before you do.
>>
>> Again absolutely false.
>>
>> mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
>> parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the pathogens.
>> What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
>> that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
>> weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
>> immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
>> hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
>> disease.
>>
>> What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
>> "taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
>> pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
>> if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the traditional
>> vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the vaccine
>> does NOT contain any of the pathogen.
>>
>> ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
>> CANNOT mutate you!
>>
>>
>
> I am sorry Jonathan, but you have been lied to. You need
> to research what the mRNA therapy actually does and
> how it creates Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
>
> And please do not throw garbage at me like "CANNOT
> mutate you". I never said or implied anything like that.
>
>

The cellular processing steps are shown here. For example,
using "endoplasmic reticulum mRNA-1273" as a search term,
got me to the kind of diagram I was looking for. Without
knowing some of the text in the diagram, it's hard to search
for these.

"A model showing the scheme of the mechanisms of action of the mRNA-1273
vaccine (adapted from the description reported by Corbett et al.) Details
are described in the text. Briefly, following transfection and endocytosis,
the mRNA is translated within the host to make SARS-CoV-2 S protein,
which is released and also undergoes the MHC class I processing
for the antigenic presentation on the host cell surface. The
exogenous protein undergoes endocytosis followed by processing
by MHC class II"

https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1007%2Fs40588-021-00162-y/MediaObjects/40588_2021_162_Fig2_HTML.png?as=webp

"Antigen presentation is the expression of antigen molecules on
the surface of a macrophage or other antigen-presenting cell in
association with MHC class II molecules when the antigen is being
presented to a CD4+ helper T cell or in association with MHC class I
molecules when presentation is to CD8+ cytotoxic T cells."

*******

https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/l9gv4z/how_concerned_should_we_be_about_potential_ade/

"iayork
Virology | Immunology

This is necessarily speculation but it seems very unlikely.

The case you're talking about here has no relationship to ADE - just
because the same word is involved doesn't mean there's any evolutionary
driver from one to the other.

Reasons that ADE doesn't seem a likely issue:

1 ADE has never been seen with SARS-CoV-2 at all.

2 ADE was a concern because of some experiments with MERS and SARS.
There were no natural instances of ADE in MERS and SARS and the
phenomenon was only seen sporadically and in extremely unnatural
conditions (with highly specific vaccine types, in lab animals)

3 The type of unnatural conditions required (minimal T cell involvement,
highly focused antibodies related to the post-fusion configuration
of spike, minimal antibodies targeting other regions of the virus)
are not seen in natural infections at all, for any of this family
of viruses, and are not an issue with the approved vaccines or
with any of the ones queued up for approval in the future.

4 As a further precaution, the vaccines have used the MERS approach
that was shown to prevent ADE in that model. See Middle East
respiratory syndrome coronavirus vaccines: current status and
novel approaches, Recent Advances in the Vaccine Development
Against Middle East Respiratory Syndrome-Coronavirus, and the
comments on COVID vaccine design here.

5 In general, ADE is really unusual, and in practical terms it's
only an issue with the Dengue family of viruses. Where it's been
seen elsewhere it's mainly a laboratory oddity without any obvious
clinical significance. I know the media performed their usual due
hysteria about this early on, and certainly virologists and
vaccinologists didn't dismiss the possibility, but it's always been
considered far less likely among experts than the media made it sound.

So there's never been an observed reason for concern, none of the
theoretical reasons for concern apply, and just in case they did
mitigation steps were taken on day one.
"

Examples of Ian Yorks publications.

https://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=4QYSHgkAAAAJ&hl=en

Paul

On 7/27/21 3:40 PM, Paul wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 7/27/21 5:44 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> T wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>>>
>>> Again absolutely false.
>>>
>>> mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
>>> parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the pathogens.
>>> What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
>>> that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
>>> weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
>>> immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
>>> hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
>>> disease.
>>>
>>> What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
>>> "taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
>>> pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
>>> if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the traditional
>>> vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the vaccine
>>> does NOT contain any of the pathogen.
>>>
>>> ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
>>> CANNOT mutate you!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am sorry Jonathan, but you have been lied to.  You need
>> to research what the mRNA therapy actually does and
>> how it creates Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
>>
>> And please do not throw garbage at me like "CANNOT
>> mutate you".  I never said or implied anything like that.
>>
>>
>
> The cellular processing steps are shown here. For example,
> using "endoplasmic reticulum mRNA-1273" as a search term,
> got me to the kind of diagram I was looking for. Without
> knowing some of the text in the diagram, it's hard to search
> for these.
>
> "A model showing the scheme of the mechanisms of action of the mRNA-1273
>  vaccine (adapted from the description reported by Corbett et al.) Details
>  are described in the text. Briefly, following transfection and
> endocytosis,
>  the mRNA is translated within the host to make SARS-CoV-2 S protein,
>  which is released and also undergoes the MHC class I processing
>  for the antigenic presentation on the host cell surface. The
>  exogenous protein undergoes endocytosis followed by processing
>  by MHC class II"
>
> https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1007%2Fs40588-021-00162-y/MediaObjects/40588_2021_162_Fig2_HTML.png?as=webp
>
>
> "Antigen presentation is the expression of antigen molecules on
>  the surface of a macrophage or other antigen-presenting cell in
>  association with MHC class II molecules when the antigen is being
>  presented to a CD4+ helper T cell or in association with MHC class I
>  molecules when presentation is to CD8+ cytotoxic T cells."
>
> *******
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/l9gv4z/how_concerned_should_we_be_about_potential_ade/
>
>
>    "iayork
>     Virology | Immunology
>
>     This is necessarily speculation but it seems very unlikely.
>
>     The case you're talking about here has no relationship to ADE - just
>     because the same word is involved doesn't mean there's any
> evolutionary
>     driver from one to the other.
>
>     Reasons that ADE doesn't seem a likely issue:
>
>     1 ADE has never been seen with SARS-CoV-2 at all.

Dengue Fever, COVID-19 (SARS-CoV-2), and Antibody-Dependent Enhancement
(ADE): A Perspective

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32506725/

Abstract

SARS-CoV-2 pandemic and recurrent dengue epidemics in
tropical countries have turned into a global health
threat. While both virus-caused infections may only
reveal light symptoms, they can also cause severe
diseases. Here, we review the possible antibody-dependent
enhancement (ADE) occurrence, known for dengue
infections, when there is a second infection with a
different virus strain. Consequently, preexisting
antibodies do not neutralize infection, but enhance it,
possibly by triggering Fcγ receptor-mediated virus
uptake. No clinical data exist indicating such mechanism
for SARS-CoV-2, but previous coronavirus infections or
infection of SARS-CoV-2 convalescent with different SARS-
CoV-2 strains could promote ADE, as experimentally shown
for antibodies against the MERS-CoV or SARS-CoV spike S
protein

Not a lot of evidence, but it does show signs of it.

Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908214/

>
>     2 ADE was a concern because of some experiments with MERS and SARS.
>       There were no natural instances of ADE in MERS and SARS and the
>       phenomenon was only seen sporadically and in extremely unnatural
>       conditions (with highly specific vaccine types, in lab animals)

Liar

>
>     3 The type of unnatural conditions required (minimal T cell
> involvement,
>       highly focused antibodies related to the post-fusion configuration
>       of spike, minimal antibodies targeting other regions of the virus)
>       are not seen in natural infections at all, for any of this family
>       of viruses, and are not an issue with the approved vaccines or
>       with any of the ones queued up for approval in the future.

Oh brother. This was tested when?

>
>     4 As a further precaution, the vaccines have used the MERS approach
>       that was shown to prevent ADE in that model. See Middle East
>       respiratory syndrome coronavirus vaccines: current status and
>       novel approaches, Recent Advances in the Vaccine Development
>       Against Middle East Respiratory Syndrome-Coronavirus, and the
>       comments on COVID vaccine design here.

True, they are trying to avoid ADE. Hmmm. why care if
it is not a problem

>
>     5 In general, ADE is really unusual,

"Unusual"? What utter bull shit. ADE problems with mRNA
therapies are common. Some mRNA therapies have been dropped
over the problem.

> and in practical terms it's
>       only an issue with the Dengue family of viruses. Where it's been
>       seen elsewhere it's mainly a laboratory oddity without any obvious
>       clinical significance. I know the media performed their usual due
>       hysteria about this early on, and certainly virologists and
>       vaccinologists didn't dismiss the possibility, but it's always been
>       considered far less likely among experts than the media made it
> sound.
>
>     So there's never been an observed reason for concern, none of the
>     theoretical reasons for concern apply, and just in case they did
>     mitigation steps were taken on day one.
>    "

In the USA there has already been over 4000 reports of
the mRNA therapy killing folks, with an estimated 13%
reporting rate. Yes there is legitimate reason for
concern.

The side effect =can be life threatening. One of my
customers was in the hospital for a week after the
second jab, but thankfully recovered. She called
to warn us. (We already knew.)

The above is little more than an opinion piece. You
notice he did not cite a single thing.This guy is
going to get some people killed.

"So there's never been an observed reason for concern":
what a bald faced liar.

> Examples of Ian Yorks publications.
>
> https://scholar.google.ca/citations?user=4QYSHgkAAAAJ&hl=en
>
>    Paul

You need to check some other sources:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=ade+sars-cov-2

If you look through these you will find "they don't know"
popping up all over the place.

mRNA therapies are not vaccines. For it to be a
vaccine, it must contain some part of the virus in
it. This is in ALL the medical books.

I personally do not care if anyone gets the mRNA not-a-vaccine vaccine
or not. I only care if folks are
properly informed. This is YOUR personal choice.
Make it properly informed.

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 7/27/21 9:21 AM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>> Your physical reaction to the vaccine is a lie! Stop convulsing this minute!
>>
>
> The reaction to the second not-a-vaccine vaccine is where
> the first not-a-vaccine vaccine's fragment is attacking the second
> not-a-vaccine vaccine's fragment. They are not
> suppose to, which is why the separation.
>
> Good luck keeping booster shots going after they
> run out of alternate fragment they won't be attacked by
> the fake antibodies from previous fragments.
>
> If ADE kicks in, this may kill millions of folks.
> I sincerely hope this is a first and ADE does not
> kick in. I really, really hope that I am wrong.

You are.

T wrote:
> On 7/27/21 5:44 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>>
>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>>
>> Again absolutely false.
>>
>> mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
>> parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the pathogens.
>> What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
>> that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
>> weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
>> immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
>> hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
>> disease.
>>
>> What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
>> "taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
>> pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
>> if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the traditional
>> vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the vaccine
>> does NOT contain any of the pathogen.
>>
>> ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
>> CANNOT mutate you!
>>
>>
>
> I am sorry Jonathan, but you have been lied to.  You need
> to research what the mRNA therapy actually does and
> how it creates Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
>
> And please do not throw garbage at me like "CANNOT
> mutate you".  I never said or implied anything like that.
>

No you didn't. It was just one example of the stupid excuses that have
been used to avoid vaccination. However it is because there are so many
who think like you that we are currently in the situation we are now
facing. People who refuse to get vaccinated provide a ready supply of
hosts for the virus to thrive and more importantly reproduce and an
mutate into something worse. If you and others of your
stubbornly-wrong-thinking ilk had done the right think the delta variant
would not be raging through the US right now...

Want to be free? Want no mask mandates? Want business again? Want a
life? Then get the f'in vaccine. Before the next Greek-alphabet version
develops and kills responsible people like me.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 7/28/21 9:35 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 7/27/21 5:44 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> T wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>>>
>>> Again absolutely false.
>>>
>>> mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
>>> parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the pathogens.
>>> What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
>>> that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
>>> weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
>>> immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
>>> hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
>>> disease.
>>>
>>> What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
>>> "taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
>>> pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
>>> if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the traditional
>>> vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the vaccine
>>> does NOT contain any of the pathogen.
>>>
>>> ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
>>> CANNOT mutate you!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I am sorry Jonathan, but you have been lied to.  You need
>> to research what the mRNA therapy actually does and
>> how it creates Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
>>
>> And please do not throw garbage at me like "CANNOT
>> mutate you".  I never said or implied anything like that.
>>
>
> No you didn't. It was just one example of the stupid excuses that have
> been used to avoid vaccination. However it is because there are so many
> who think like you that we are currently in the situation we are now
> facing. People who refuse to get vaccinated provide a ready supply of
> hosts for the virus to thrive and more importantly reproduce and an
> mutate into something worse. If you and others of your
> stubbornly-wrong-thinking ilk had done the right think the delta variant
> would not be raging through the US right now...
>
> Want to be free? Want no mask mandates? Want business again? Want a
> life? Then get the f'in vaccine. Before the next Greek-alphabet version
> develops and kills responsible people like me.

Jonathan,

What makes you think you have been responsible?
Following conformity without being fully informed makes
you a fool, not responsible. If the Antibody Dependent
Enhancement kills you, have you taken measures to
financially support those you have made commitments
to? Did you think that far ahead?

You been lied to again. mRNA recipients STILL get the
virus and STILL carry it to other people. Jabbed or
not jabbed makes NO difference in transmission.
And that includes, HIDE UNDER THE DESK, variants.

Those without the experimental treatment are not causing
anyone any more harm than those with it. SURPRISE!
You were lied to.

And have your thought that those with the mRNA therapy
will be the ones developing variants that are immune
to the mRNA therapy. If I was to posit a totally
uninformed opinion (you do, so you will forgive me
this once), the mRNA jabs will cause more damage:
variants plus immune the the jobs variants.

This is why our venal president want us all to, worthless
for show only, mask up again. As I said, you've been
lied to. We have all been lied to a bunch during this
thing. Science has not been followed.

This subject has been EXTREMELY politicized. ONLY real,
actual science can be used to make an evaluation. Woke
and cancel culture can not be used. Neither can
ass holes in white lab coats with 300 PhD's past
their names standing around pulling things out their
asses without a single Randomized Clinical Trial
to support their bull shit. Fauci fall not that category.

And the the science on the mRNA vaccine in humans
has not been done as it was rushed out. This is a YUGE
human trial. When the results do start to come back,
the mRNA jab (not a vaccine), Antibody Dependent
Enhancement has the potential of killing millions.
Science clearly state, they DO NOT KNOW: it is just
too early. It did kill their animals models though.

Right now the mRNA therapy seems to lessen the symptoms,
but that is so clouded in political correctness, it is
hard to tell if numbers have been fudged. And the
current reported deaths in the USA are 4000 with
~13% reporting. And life threatening reactions are
reported all over the place.

I would think that before risking an mRNA treatment,
you would get yourself tested for covid antibodies.
Most do not know they even had had the thing.
But that is you own personal decision, as is whether
or not you get tested or get the experimental
treatment. But please be fully informed when you
make your decision.

I personally really, really don't care what you do,
as long as you are fully informed.

Here is a link that contains actual science and is a
wonderful place to do your own research:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/

In a year from now, I hope I can say I was wrong
and not have to read any of you have died.

My decision on the experimental mRNA therapy can
be summed up with two words: YOU FIRST! I have
other things I can do to protect myself and they
have actual science behind them and several thousand
of years of usage on human, such as triggering
proteins in my cells to inhibit virus replication.

Bet you don't even know what I am talking about.
Information is being withheld on a massive scale:
We've all been lied to a lot. Gee Wiz, wouldn't
want Trump to be right about something.

-T

T wrote:
> On 7/28/21 9:35 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>> On 7/27/21 5:44 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>>> T wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>>>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>>>>
>>>> Again absolutely false.
>>>>
>>>> mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
>>>> parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the
>>>> pathogens.
>>>> What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
>>>> that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
>>>> weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
>>>> immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
>>>> hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
>>>> disease.
>>>>
>>>> What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
>>>> "taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
>>>> pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
>>>> if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the
>>>> traditional
>>>> vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the
>>>> vaccine
>>>> does NOT contain any of the pathogen.
>>>>
>>>> ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
>>>> CANNOT mutate you!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am sorry Jonathan, but you have been lied to.  You need
>>> to research what the mRNA therapy actually does and
>>> how it creates Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
>>>
>>> And please do not throw garbage at me like "CANNOT
>>> mutate you".  I never said or implied anything like that.
>>>
>>
>> No you didn't. It was just one example of the stupid excuses that have
>> been used to avoid vaccination. However it is because there are so many
>> who think like you that we are currently in the situation we are now
>> facing. People who refuse to get vaccinated provide a ready supply of
>> hosts for the virus to thrive and more importantly reproduce and an
>> mutate into something worse. If you and others of your
>> stubbornly-wrong-thinking ilk had done the right think the delta variant
>> would not  be raging through the US right now...
>>
>> Want to be free? Want no mask mandates? Want business again? Want a
>> life? Then get the f'in vaccine. Before the next Greek-alphabet version
>> develops and kills responsible people like me.
>
> Jonathan,
>
> What makes you think you have been responsible?
> Following conformity without being fully informed makes
> you a fool, not responsible.   If the Antibody Dependent
> Enhancement kills you, have you taken measures to
> financially support those you have made commitments
> to?  Did you think that far ahead?

Fact: fatality risk of the vaccine is a minute fraction compared to the
lethality of COVID.

>
> You been lied to again.  mRNA recipients STILL get the
> virus and STILL carry it to other people. 

Vaccinated break though infections have only been transmittable to
others since Delta. Delta creates more viral load in the upper
respiratory track than earlier variants. Vaccinated people with COVID
didn't spread to others with earlier versions. Again underscores why
letting this pathogen mutate is a BAD THING.

> Jabbed or not jabbed makes NO difference in transmission. And that
> includes, HIDE UNDER THE DESK, variants.
Big difference! With vaccine if you get infected you don't die, nor are
you likely to have it serious enough to need hospitalization.
Unvaccinated have a very different story.

<https://www.umassmed.edu/news/news-archives/2021/07/delta-variant-spurring-uptick-in-covid-19-cases-largely-in-unvaccinated/>

<https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated>

countless other sources.

Do you know of anyone with polio, smallpox, measles, whooping cough...
No because of vaccines... But is still boils down to this, vaccines only
work if enough people get vaccinated to stop the spread, just as a wild
fire cannot spread on continue without fuel. Stop being fuel.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 7/28/21 2:02 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 7/28/21 9:35 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> T wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/21 5:44 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>>>> T wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>>>>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again absolutely false.
>>>>>
>>>>> mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
>>>>> parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the
>>>>> pathogens.
>>>>> What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
>>>>> that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
>>>>> weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
>>>>> immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
>>>>> hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
>>>>> disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
>>>>> "taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
>>>>> pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
>>>>> if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the
>>>>> traditional
>>>>> vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the
>>>>> vaccine
>>>>> does NOT contain any of the pathogen.
>>>>>
>>>>> ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
>>>>> CANNOT mutate you!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry Jonathan, but you have been lied to.  You need
>>>> to research what the mRNA therapy actually does and
>>>> how it creates Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
>>>>
>>>> And please do not throw garbage at me like "CANNOT
>>>> mutate you".  I never said or implied anything like that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No you didn't. It was just one example of the stupid excuses that have
>>> been used to avoid vaccination. However it is because there are so many
>>> who think like you that we are currently in the situation we are now
>>> facing. People who refuse to get vaccinated provide a ready supply of
>>> hosts for the virus to thrive and more importantly reproduce and an
>>> mutate into something worse. If you and others of your
>>> stubbornly-wrong-thinking ilk had done the right think the delta variant
>>> would not  be raging through the US right now...
>>>
>>> Want to be free? Want no mask mandates? Want business again? Want a
>>> life? Then get the f'in vaccine. Before the next Greek-alphabet version
>>> develops and kills responsible people like me.
>>
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> What makes you think you have been responsible?
>> Following conformity without being fully informed makes
>> you a fool, not responsible.   If the Antibody Dependent
>> Enhancement kills you, have you taken measures to
>> financially support those you have made commitments
>> to?  Did you think that far ahead?
>
> Fact: fatality risk of the vaccine is a minute fraction compared to the
> lethality of COVID.

Bull shit. PROVE it with a proper scientific paper
>
>>
>> You been lied to again.  mRNA recipients STILL get the
>> virus and STILL carry it to other people.
>
> Vaccinated break though infections have only been transmittable to
> others since Delta. Delta creates more viral load in the upper
> respiratory track than earlier variants. Vaccinated people with COVID
> didn't spread to others with earlier versions. Again underscores why
> letting this pathogen mutate is a BAD THING.

Prove it with a proper scientific paper

>> Jabbed or not jabbed makes NO difference in transmission. And that
>> includes, HIDE UNDER THE DESK, variants.
> Big difference! With vaccine if you get infected you don't die, nor are
> you likely to have it serious enough to need hospitalization.
> Unvaccinated have a very different story.
>
> <https://www.umassmed.edu/news/news-archives/2021/07/delta-variant-spurring-uptick-in-covid-19-cases-largely-in-unvaccinated/>

That is an opinion piece. Not a single cite. Prove
it with a proper scientific paper

>
> <https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated>

That is also an opinion piece:
May 13, 2021 -- A new study found that more than
99% of patients hospitalized with COVID-19
during the first four months of 2021 weren’t
fully vaccinated.

And not a single cite. Prove it with a proper
scientific paper

>
> countless other sources.

I only will accept proper science. Science, not political
correctness. DO YOU EVEN KNOW THE DIFFERENCE?

>
> Do you know of anyone with polio, smallpox, measles, whooping cough...
> No because of vaccines... But is still boils down to this, vaccines only
> work if enough people get vaccinated to stop the spread, just as a wild
> fire cannot spread on continue without fuel. Stop being fuel.
>

Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines. The jab is
not even a vaccine.

And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine. It
contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
Please use correct terminology.

And from now on, if you send me another opinion
piece, I will not longer respond to you. I will
only accept science.

In article <sdpu03$is9$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> If ADE kicks in, this may kill millions of folks.
> I sincerely hope this is a first and ADE does not
> kick in. I really, really hope that I am wrong.

no worries. you are definitely wrong.

In article <sds114$ffk$1@dont-email.me>, Jonathan N. Little
<lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:

> Want to be free? Want no mask mandates? Want business again? Want a
> life? Then get the f'in vaccine. Before the next Greek-alphabet version
> develops and kills responsible people like me.

+1

In article <sdseos$1tr$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> You been lied to again. mRNA recipients STILL get the
> virus and STILL carry it to other people.

nowhere near as many as those who have not had a vaccine, and if it
does happen, it's not as severe.

> Jabbed or
> not jabbed makes NO difference in transmission.

absolutely false. those who have been vaccinated have a significantly
lower viral load, reducing transmission.

>
> Those without the experimental treatment are not causing
> anyone any more harm than those with it. SURPRISE!
> You were lied to.

*you* were lied to, since that is simply false.

> And have your thought that those with the mRNA therapy
> will be the ones developing variants that are immune
> to the mRNA therapy. If I was to posit a totally
> uninformed opinion (you do, so you will forgive me
> this once), the mRNA jabs will cause more damage:
> variants plus immune the the jobs variants.

yep, that is definitely an uninformed opinion.

> This subject has been EXTREMELY politicized. ONLY real,
> actual science can be used to make an evaluation. Woke
> and cancel culture can not be used. Neither can
> ass holes in white lab coats with 300 PhD's past
> their names standing around pulling things out their
> asses without a single Randomized Clinical Trial
> to support their bull shit. Fauci fall not that category.

you claim to want 'real actual science', yet you reject those who
studied it and are actually using it.

>
> And the the science on the mRNA vaccine in humans
> has not been done as it was rushed out.

the science of mrna has been 30+ years in the making and is not 'rushed
out'.

the existing mrna vaccines went through full phase i, ii & iii trials,
with significantly more volunteers than usual, and also not 'rushed
out'.

>
> Right now the mRNA therapy seems to lessen the symptoms,

not just seems to, but actually does lessen the symptoms and keeps
people out of hospitals. that's what vaccines do.

> but that is so clouded in political correctness, it is
> hard to tell if numbers have been fudged.

nothing has been fudged.

> And the
> current reported deaths in the USA are 4000 with
> ~13% reporting. And life threatening reactions are
> reported all over the place.

bogus data, but even if you take 4000 to be correct (which it isn't),
4000 out of 300+ million jabs is a *lot* less than 625000 covid deaths
out of 35+ million cases.

> I would think that before risking an mRNA treatment,
> you would get yourself tested for covid antibodies.
> Most do not know they even had had the thing.

that doesn't matter nor does it change anything.

> In a year from now, I hope I can say I was wrong
> and not have to read any of you have died.

no need to wait. you are *very* wrong.

In article <sdq92e$pag$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >     5 In general, ADE is really unusual,
>
> "Unusual"? What utter bull shit. ADE problems with mRNA
> therapies are common. Some mRNA therapies have been dropped
> over the problem.

such as which ones? name them.

>
> mRNA therapies are not vaccines. For it to be a
> vaccine, it must contain some part of the virus in
> it. This is in ALL the medical books.

you obviously haven't read *any* medical books, let alone all of them.

research into mrna vaccines began more than 30 years ago. it's not new.

Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
> On 2021-07-27 12:25 a.m., T wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 7:30 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-26 9:44 p.m., T wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/21 6:27 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>> Oh no! But Fauci said!
>>>>
>>>> Fauci a.k.a "dr. flip flop" is the biggest liar.
>>>> Even in his freedom of release eMails, he said
>>>> they had little effect.
>>>>
>>>> And he lied his as off to congress about financing
>>>> the bios weapons lab this shit came from.
>>>
>>> I should be shocked that they haven't arrested and imprisoned him but
>>> I'm not since it's fairly clear, especially since the 90s, that crimes
>>> committed by anyone who might benefit the left are never investigated
>>> but if someone whose politics lean right even breathes wrong, OFF WITH
>>> HIS HEAD!
>>>
>>
>> We are truly losing our country.  Sadly, we do have
>> a two tiered justice system.  One for Liberals and
>> one for everyone else.
>>
>> Can you think of what would have happened to any
>> of Trump's kids if the sold shitty art to anonymous
>> donors for YUGE undisclosed amounts?
>
> We're now supposed to believe that the crackhead Hunter Biden is a
> changed man and no longer a drug-fueled pedophile. We should cheer his
> decision to produce art but we are still not allowed to see a single
> kilobyte of that laptop of his which allegedly contains child
> pornography and material showing that his father is compromised
> <https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/laptop-evidence-strongly-indicates-joe-biden-is-compromised-on-china/ar-BB1fo3t7>
>
> <https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/287853>. Meanwhile,
> we have to continue believing that anyone with Trump as a last name or
> even indirectly associated with them are minions of Satan who destroy
> everything they touch. Oh, and we can't allow them to even have social
> media accounts because they're simply way too dangerous.

You two are seriously unhinged.

T wrote:

> Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines.  The jab is
> not even a vaccine.
>
> And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine.  It
> contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
> Please use correct terminology.
>
> And from now on, if you send me another opinion
> piece, I will not longer respond to you.  I will
> only accept science.
>

It's a vaccine. One example paper in Nature (many others are behind
pay-walls)

<https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243>

Also many articles for public consumption from respected medical
universities:

<https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison>

<https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599>

<https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccines-infographic>

Next you'll say Yale, Harvard, and John Hopkins fake... You are the
reason it has been a year and a half and we are still dealing with this
shit. I know I won't convince you but maybe I will prevent someone else
from following your "advice".

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 7/28/21 8:59 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines.  The jab is
>> not even a vaccine.
>>
>> And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine.  It
>> contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
>> Please use correct terminology.
>>
>> And from now on, if you send me another opinion
>> piece, I will not longer respond to you.  I will
>> only accept science.
>>
>
> It's a vaccine. One example paper in Nature (many others are behind
> pay-walls)
>
> <https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243>
>
> Also many articles for public consumption from respected medical
> universities:
>
> <https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison>
>
> <https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599>
>
> <https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccines-infographic>
>
> Next you'll say Yale, Harvard, and John Hopkins fake... You are the
> reason it has been a year and a half and we are still dealing with this
> shit. I know I won't convince you but maybe I will prevent someone else
> from following your "advice".
>

Not a single medical book define mRNA therapy as a real vaccine as it
does not contain a single piece of
the offender.

Before I go on, I will give you that the mRNA
therapy acts somewhat like a vaccine, even though
it is not.

Here you go:

https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-development-101

How Vaccines Work:

Vaccines work by mimicking the infectious bacteria or viruses that cause
disease. Vaccination stimulates the body’s immune system to build up
defenses against the infectious bacteria or virus (organism) without
causing the disease. The parts of the infectious organism that the
immune system recognizes are foreign to the body and are called
antigens. Vaccination exposes the body to these antigens.

Some vaccines contain weakened versions of a bacteria or virus, other
vaccines contain only part of the bacteria or virus. Some vaccines
contain only the genetic material for a specific protein and direct the
body to produce a small amount of that protein. The body’s immune system
reacts defensively once it detects this protein.

After vaccination, the immune system is prepared to respond quickly and
forcefully when the body encounters the real disease-causing organism.

Sorry. mRNA therapy is many things, it just is not a
vaccine. There is NOTHING in the mRNA therapy that is
"mimicking" the offender.

Oh and don't forget that we all now are to wear useless
face diapers because we have to protect the, ha ha,
vaccinated from "breakthrough infections".

How about we can the political correctness and use off
label drugs (Ivermectin) that have clearly been shown
to be supremely successful at controlling this virus?

No? Trump might have been right about something?
Better for folks to die?

Political correctness kills.

On 7/28/21 8:59 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines.  The jab is
>> not even a vaccine.
>>
>> And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine.  It
>> contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
>> Please use correct terminology.
>>
>> And from now on, if you send me another opinion
>> piece, I will not longer respond to you.  I will
>> only accept science.
>>
>
> It's a vaccine. One example paper in Nature (many others are behind
> pay-walls)
>
> <https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243>
>
> Also many articles for public consumption from respected medical
> universities:
>
> <https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison>
>
> <https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599>
>
> <https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccines-infographic>
>
> Next you'll say Yale, Harvard, and John Hopkins fake... You are the
> reason it has been a year and a half and we are still dealing with this
> shit. I know I won't convince you but maybe I will prevent someone else
> from following your "advice".
>

They're are just being sloppy with their language:

Here you go:

vaccine:
a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms (viruses, bacteria,
or rickettsiae), administered for prevention, amelioration, or treatment
of infectious diseases.

--Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and
Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of
Elsevier, Inc.

vaccine:
n.
a. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium
or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon
administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or
cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing
severe infection.

--The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by
Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company

vaccine:
Immunology A mixture of live, live-attenuated, killed, complete or
incomplete microorganisms or their products

--McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine

vaccine:
A suspension of microorganisms of one particular type that have been
killed or modified so as to be safe

--Collins Dictionary of Medicine © Robert M. Youngson 2004, 2005

vaccine:
a preparation containing live, attenuated (see ATTENUATION).or
inactivated (killed) microorganisms (or some part or product of them),
that is used to stimulate an IMMUNE
RESPONSE

--Collins Dictionary of Biology, 3rd ed. © W. G. Hale, V. A. Saunders,
J. P. Margham 2005

Vaccine:
A preparation using a non-infectious element or relative of a particular
virus or bacteria

--Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc

On 7/28/21 2:02 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 7/28/21 9:35 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> T wrote:
>>>> On 7/27/21 5:44 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>>>> T wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>>>>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Again absolutely false.
>>>>>
>>>>> mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
>>>>> parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the
>>>>> pathogens.
>>>>> What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
>>>>> that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
>>>>> weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
>>>>> immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
>>>>> hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
>>>>> disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
>>>>> "taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
>>>>> pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
>>>>> if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the
>>>>> traditional
>>>>> vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the
>>>>> vaccine
>>>>> does NOT contain any of the pathogen.
>>>>>
>>>>> ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
>>>>> CANNOT mutate you!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am sorry Jonathan, but you have been lied to.  You need
>>>> to research what the mRNA therapy actually does and
>>>> how it creates Antibody Dependent Enhancement.
>>>>
>>>> And please do not throw garbage at me like "CANNOT
>>>> mutate you".  I never said or implied anything like that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> No you didn't. It was just one example of the stupid excuses that have
>>> been used to avoid vaccination. However it is because there are so many
>>> who think like you that we are currently in the situation we are now
>>> facing. People who refuse to get vaccinated provide a ready supply of
>>> hosts for the virus to thrive and more importantly reproduce and an
>>> mutate into something worse. If you and others of your
>>> stubbornly-wrong-thinking ilk had done the right think the delta variant
>>> would not  be raging through the US right now...
>>>
>>> Want to be free? Want no mask mandates? Want business again? Want a
>>> life? Then get the f'in vaccine. Before the next Greek-alphabet version
>>> develops and kills responsible people like me.
>>
>> Jonathan,
>>
>> What makes you think you have been responsible?
>> Following conformity without being fully informed makes
>> you a fool, not responsible.   If the Antibody Dependent
>> Enhancement kills you, have you taken measures to
>> financially support those you have made commitments
>> to?  Did you think that far ahead?
>
> Fact: fatality risk of the vaccine is a minute fraction compared to the
> lethality of COVID.
>
>>
>> You been lied to again.  mRNA recipients STILL get the
>> virus and STILL carry it to other people.
>
> Vaccinated break though infections have only been transmittable to
> others since Delta. Delta creates more viral load in the upper
> respiratory track than earlier variants. Vaccinated people with COVID
> didn't spread to others with earlier versions. Again underscores why
> letting this pathogen mutate is a BAD THING.
>
>> Jabbed or not jabbed makes NO difference in transmission. And that
>> includes, HIDE UNDER THE DESK, variants.
> Big difference! With vaccine if you get infected you don't die, nor are
> you likely to have it serious enough to need hospitalization.
> Unvaccinated have a very different story.
>
> <https://www.umassmed.edu/news/news-archives/2021/07/delta-variant-spurring-uptick-in-covid-19-cases-largely-in-unvaccinated/>
>
> <https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20210513/over-_99-percent-hospitalized-2021-covid-patients-unvaccinated>
>
> countless other sources.
>
> Do you know of anyone with polio, smallpox, measles, whooping cough...
> No because of vaccines... But is still boils down to this, vaccines only
> work if enough people get vaccinated to stop the spread, just as a wild
> fire cannot spread on continue without fuel. Stop being fuel.

"Stop being fuel"? What a silly statement.

Once you have had the commie flu, you are protecting
everyone around you from it. Herb immunity will be
what stops this. And folks with the jab do not count
as they still get the little bugger and still transmit
it to others. Most that do not take the jab have
already had the commie flu and ARE protecting others.

Here is a 15 minute video with an interview with Dr.
Robert Malone who invented the mRNA gene therapy. He
claims it is dangerous.

You have to skip ahead to 6:00 to hear him speaking:

Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic (Robert Malone, Steve
Kirsch, Bret Weinstein)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY

You get the point really quick when he starts to speak.

Now back to my point. This information was not disclosed
to the public so they could make an informed judgment
for themselves. My body; my choice