On 02/09/2021 19:25, T wrote:
> On 7/26/21 6:17 AM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>> But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me the
>> vaccines are safe!
>>
>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9480051/Medical-student-21-died-day-getting-J-J-vaccine.html>
>>
>>
>> <https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/39-year-old-dies-after-astrazeneca-vaccine-a-second-dose-following-sinovac>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.the-sun.com/news/2305200/doctor-dies-36-others-develop-rare-blood-disorder-vaccines/>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/woman-dies-after-second-vaccine-dose-under-mix-and-match-program/>
>>
>>
>> <https://globalnews.ca/news/7835081/alberta-woman-death-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/>
>>
>>
>> <https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/18/greek-woman-dies-after-second-pfizer-vaccine/>
>>
>>
>> Had these people never gotten the vaccine, they would still be alive
>> today. But remember to do the right thing and get vaccinated, people!
>>
>> NOSPAMIPEDIA DEMANDS IT!
>>
>
> Double vaxxed are dying at a rate 434% higher than the unvaccinated.
>
> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
>
>
> 14 days post dose 2 Cases: 73,372          Deaths: 679
>
> Unvaccinated             Cases: 183,133         Deaths: 390
>
> -------------------------------------
> Vaccinated
> 679 / 73,372 = 0.00925421
>
> 0.00925421 * 100,000 = 925 deaths per 100 thousand (>14 days post dose 2)
>
> --------------------------------------
> Scapegoated unvaccinated
> 390 / 183,133 = 0.0021296
>
> 0.0021296 * 100,000 = 213 deaths per 100 thousand (Unvaccinated

I knew I'd seen a good explainer, but couldn't find it.

Found it now and what it shows is the effect of a partially vaccinated
population where we haven't yet reached the point where we actively
supporessing infectivity with the vaccine.
https://www.ft.com/content/0f11b219-0f1b-420e-8188-6651d1e749ff

Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> posted this via
news:JByLI.87999$Vv6.21759@fx45.iad:

> But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me the
> vaccines are safe!
>
> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9480051/Medical-student-21-di
> ed-day-getting-J-J-vaccine.html>
>
> <https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/39-year-old-dies-after-astrazeneca-va
> ccine-a-second-dose-following-sinovac>
>
> <https://www.the-sun.com/news/2305200/doctor-dies-36-others-develop-rare-
> blood-disorder-vaccines/>
>
> <https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/woman-dies-after-s
> econd-vaccine-dose-under-mix-and-match-program/>
>
> <https://globalnews.ca/news/7835081/alberta-woman-death-astrazeneca-covid
> -vaccine/>
>
> <https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/18/greek-woman-dies-after-second-pfize
> r-vaccine/>
>
> Had these people never gotten the vaccine, they would still be alive
> today. But remember to do the right thing and get vaccinated, people!
>
> NOSPAMIPEDIA DEMANDS IT!

According to an anonymous source who was told by a reliabe source who does
not wish to be identified for fear of the dreaded 'Cancel Culture', there
was this sweet little old lady - in New York City, I believe - who just got
her vaccination and a hefty basket of free groceries with the help of some
students who were doing charitable work, outreach, and free transportation
for elderly and invalids...

And the very next day she died in her flooded basement apartment because it
rained and she couldn't swim!

Who says vaccines are "good for you"??? Didn't help her none!

The first thing we have to do is kill all the immigration lawyers; then,
kill all the Democrat politicians; then force all the brain-washed
Democrats who are left into re-education and deprogramming camps until they
understand HOW think (instead of being indoctrinated on WHAT to think);
then, kill all the Liberal mainstream media neo-journalists; then, mandate
electroshock theraphy for everyone appointed to and employed by Federal
Deep State agencies; then, send all the Negroes who identify as "Afro-
Americans" back to Africa - except those who identify only as "Americans";
then, send all the "People of Color" back to "Crayola-land" - except those
who identify only as "Americans"; then, kill all the school teachers who
are advocating for and teaching the new religion of 'Critical Race Theory'
to our young children; then, tar & feather all the Socialists; then,
mandate that every person in the USA own and learn to use a firearm
properly; then, and only then, will we be safe from COVID-19 after we all
get vaccinated several times and wear our masks faithfully when exposed to
others.

Until then... I will continue to identify as a "Lesbian", specifically a
"Lumberjack Lesbian Top" because in these times it pays to keep all the
bases covered.

Hope this helps.

--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^;

And *NO*, that is *NOT* a Jedi Light Saber I have in my pocket!

But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy to see you either.

On 2021-09-03 12:00 p.m., Bucky Breeder wasted everyone's time.

--
@RabidHussar

On 9/2/21 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
> T wrote:
>
>> Double vaxxed are dying at a rate 434% higher than the unvaccinated.
>>
>> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
>>
>>
>> 14 days post dose 2 Cases: 73,372          Deaths: 679
>>
>> Unvaccinated             Cases: 183,133         Deaths: 390
>>
>> -------------------------------------
>> Vaccinated
>> 679 / 73,372 = 0.00925421
>>
>> 0.00925421 * 100,000 = 925 deaths per 100 thousand (>14 days post dose 2)
>>
>> --------------------------------------
>> Scapegoated unvaccinated
>> 390 / 183,133 = 0.0021296
>>
>> 0.0021296 * 100,000 = 213 deaths per 100 thousand (Unvaccinated
>>
>>
>
> https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/569730-covid-19-vaccines-work-misreading-the-data-can-make-you-think-otherwise
>
>
>    "On Aug. 25 (the most recent data available), there were
>
>        208 unvaccinated
>         13 partially vaccinated and
>        257 vaccinated people over age 60 with severe COVID-19 cases,
>
>     When looking at these absolute numbers, it appears at first glance
>     that the vaccines are not protecting against severe illness in this
>     age group or that it is better only to have one dose. But this is
>     because nearly everyone (about 90 percent) in this age group is
>     fully vaccinated, and the other two groups are much smaller."
>
>    "When we re-analyze the same Aug. 25 data to account for the proper
>     base rate (cases per 100,000 in the three vaccination groups), we see
>     that the rate of severe cases in the
>
>        unvaccinated group    (266 per 100,000) and
>        partially vaccinated   (58 per 100,000) are much higher than in the
>        fully vaccinated group (19 per 100,000).
>    "
>
> I was unable to acquire *any* raw counts in a table. All data
> was "processed for easy consumption" and on the face of it was "wrong".
> For example, the UK table 6, I was not able to find a plain English
> explanation of what the table was trying to get across. I suspect
> something along the lines of "thehill.com" article, but I cannot
> prove it to your high standards.
>
> The Israeli table was only in Hebrew, and translate.google.com could
> not finish a translation of the table. Just a spinning graphic
> was presented by translate.google.com and that was it.
>
>    Paul

Hi Paul,

This is a pain painstaking well documented research paper. As far as I
can tell, it has ZERO political motives. It is just the raw facts/data.

SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in
England Technical briefing 17

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996740/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

Pages 13 and 14 show infection rates of the delta variant. The top of
page 14 shows the death rates of vaccinated and unvaccinated. You have
a tremendously greater chance of catching the Delta Variant without the
jab but you have about a 50% greater change of dying from the Delta
Variant if you have had the jag.

The paper does not account for Antibody Dependant
Enhancement (ADE) which takes about 18 months to
kill you.

Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5

Conclusion:

ADE has been observed in SARS, MERS and other
human respiratory virus infections including
RSV and measles, which suggests a real risk
of ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based
interventions. However, clinical data has not
yet fully established a role for ADE in human
COVID-19 pathology.

So they really don't know, but it does not look good
at all based on results of ADE for SARS-CoV-2
mRNA therapies.

I sure hope the "boosters" are effective or we
may be looking at an absolute catastrophy.

-T

In article <sgtjiu$1v8$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in
> England Technical briefing 17
>
>
> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/att
> achment_data/file/996740/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf
>
> Pages 13 and 14 show infection rates of the delta variant. The top of
> page 14 shows the death rates of vaccinated and unvaccinated. You have
> a tremendously greater chance of catching the Delta Variant without the
> jab

correct.

> but you have about a 50% greater change of dying from the Delta
> Variant if you have had the jag.

not correct.

overall, vaccinated people will fare much better than unvaccinated.

nothing is perfect, and sometimes people get unlucky.

> The paper does not account for Antibody Dependant
> Enhancement (ADE) which takes about 18 months to
> kill you.

ade is not an issue, nor does it take 18 months.

but even if you want to believe that, the first trials for the vaccines
began about 18 months ago, and people aren't suddenly dropping dead
now.

> Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies
>
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
>
> Conclusion:
>
> ADE has been observed in SARS, MERS and other
> human respiratory virus infections including
> RSV and measles, which suggests a real risk
> of ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based
> interventions. However, clinical data has not
> yet fully established a role for ADE in human
> COVID-19 pathology.

read the last sentence again.

there is *no* evidence of ade with the current vaccines.

> So they really don't know, but it does not look good
> at all based on results of ADE for SARS-CoV-2
> mRNA therapies.

they really do know, and it looks very good.

> I sure hope the "boosters" are effective or we
> may be looking at an absolute catastrophy.

they'll only help if people take them.

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/2/21 2:13 PM, Paul wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>
>>> Double vaxxed are dying at a rate 434% higher than the unvaccinated.
>>>
>>> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1012644/Technical_Briefing_21.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 14 days post dose 2 Cases: 73,372          Deaths: 679
>>>
>>> Unvaccinated             Cases: 183,133         Deaths: 390
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------
>>> Vaccinated
>>> 679 / 73,372 = 0.00925421
>>>
>>> 0.00925421 * 100,000 = 925 deaths per 100 thousand (>14 days post dose 2)
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------
>>> Scapegoated unvaccinated
>>> 390 / 183,133 = 0.0021296
>>>
>>> 0.0021296 * 100,000 = 213 deaths per 100 thousand (Unvaccinated
>>>
>>>
>>
>> https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/569730-covid-19-vaccines-work-misreading-the-data-can-make-you-think-otherwise
>>
>>
>>
>>    "On Aug. 25 (the most recent data available), there were
>>
>>        208 unvaccinated
>>         13 partially vaccinated and
>>        257 vaccinated people over age 60 with severe COVID-19 cases,
>>
>>     When looking at these absolute numbers, it appears at first glance
>>     that the vaccines are not protecting against severe illness in this
>>     age group or that it is better only to have one dose. But this is
>>     because nearly everyone (about 90 percent) in this age group is
>>     fully vaccinated, and the other two groups are much smaller."
>>
>>    "When we re-analyze the same Aug. 25 data to account for the proper
>>     base rate (cases per 100,000 in the three vaccination groups), we see
>>     that the rate of severe cases in the
>>
>>        unvaccinated group    (266 per 100,000) and
>>        partially vaccinated   (58 per 100,000) are much higher than in the
>>        fully vaccinated group (19 per 100,000).
>>    "
>>
>> I was unable to acquire *any* raw counts in a table. All data
>> was "processed for easy consumption" and on the face of it was "wrong".
>> For example, the UK table 6, I was not able to find a plain English
>> explanation of what the table was trying to get across. I suspect
>> something along the lines of "thehill.com" article, but I cannot
>> prove it to your high standards.
>>
>> The Israeli table was only in Hebrew, and translate.google.com could
>> not finish a translation of the table. Just a spinning graphic
>> was presented by translate.google.com and that was it.
>>
>>    Paul
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> This is a pain painstaking well documented research paper.

Incorrect. It's a government briefing report from Public Health England.

> As far as I
> can tell, it has ZERO political motives. It is just the raw facts/data.
>
> SARS-CoV-2 variants of concern and variants under investigation in
> England Technical briefing 17
>
> https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996740/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf
>
> Pages 13 and 14 show infection rates of the delta variant. The top of
> page 14 shows the death rates of vaccinated and unvaccinated. You have
> a tremendously greater chance of catching the Delta Variant without the
> jab but you have about a 50% greater change of dying from the Delta
> Variant if you have had the jag.

Only of the people who've ended up seriously ill in hospital. You're
discounting and ignoring all the vaccinated people who haven't ended up in
hospital despite being catching the virus.

If you also notice you're infinitely more likely to die if you're under 50
and unvaccinated.

By Fri, 3 Sep 2021 12:20:50 -0400 RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> felt
compelled to confess his degenerative brain disease IN A COVID-19 THREAD
using "everyone" as "their" 'preferred pronoun'...

> On 2021-09-03 12:00 p.m., Bucky Breeder wasted everyone's time.

"According to an anonymous source who was told by a reliabe source who does
not wish to be identified for fear of the dreaded 'Cancel Culture', there
was this sweet little old lady - in New York City, I believe - who just got
her vaccination and a hefty basket of free groceries with the help of some
students who were doing charitable work, outreach, and free transportation
for elderly and invalids...

And the very next day she died in her flooded basement apartment because it
rained and she couldn't swim!

Who says vaccines are "good for you"??? Didn't help her none!

The first thing we have to do is kill all the immigration lawyers; then,
kill all the Democrat politicians; then force all the brain-washed
Democrats who are left into re-education and deprogramming camps until they
understand HOW think (instead of being indoctrinated on WHAT to think);
then, kill all the Liberal mainstream media neo-journalists; then, mandate
electroshock theraphy for everyone appointed to and employed by Federal
Deep State agencies; then, send all the Negroes who identify as "Afro-
Americans" back to Africa - except those who identify only as "Americans";
then, send all the "People of Color" back to "Crayola-land" - except those
who identify only as "Americans"; then, kill all the school teachers who
are advocating for and teaching the new religion of 'Critical Race Theory'
to our young children; then, tar & feather all the Socialists; then,
mandate that every person in the USA own and learn to use a firearm
properly; then, and only then, will we be safe from COVID-19 after we all
get vaccinated several times and wear our masks faithfully when exposed to
others.

Until then... I will continue to identify as a "Lesbian", specifically a
"Lumberjack Lesbian Top" because in these times it pays to keep all the
bases covered.

Hope this helps."

SHORT VERSION FOR THE COGNITIVE-CHALLENGED:

"Somebody got the vaccine, then they died..."

To say they died FROM the vaccine/vaccination is no more than a fallacy
called 'Post Hoc Logic' ["post hoc, ergo propter hoc"]...

To stack several of these post hoc intances, ostensibly to formulate a
"conclusion", is no more than a "delusion" founded in a fallacious ideation
likely from someone who is a victim of an inferior public school system.

Introducing a hypothesis that a vaccination could kill you, scientifically,
"everyone" should consider the percentages of people who died after being
vaccinated - juxtaposed to the number of people who died after contracting
COVID-19 and the number of people they infected before they died as well as
the number of people they infected before they realized they had contracted
the virulently contagious virus because it could take several days to a
couple of weeks to develop symptoms after actually contracting the virus...

Also, many people die in the shower, on the toilet, and while brushing
their teeth in the morning... Perhaps "everyone" who is legitimately
concerned about these statistics should simply stop bathing, using the
toilet and brushing their teeth?

YEAH... that's "logical" enough for the retards allowed to run loose in our
rather "liberal/progressive" society.

There is a strong case to be made for rolling back to some of the Spartan
and Native American customs; to wit, put defective babies out of their
misery before they are able to become a burden on society or proliferate to
a point where over 50% of these defective babies actually become the
majority in a "democratic society".

Hope this helps.

DISCLAIMER:

If this is wasting leetle missy everyone's time, just don't read it.

<no charge for this pro bono excellent life experience in coherent,
cohesive, and cogent cognitive coaching>
--

I AM Bucky Breeder, (*(^;

And *NO*, that is *NOT* a Jedi Light Saber I have in my pocket!

But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm happy to see you either.