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* Just for fun: Medical student dies a day after getting J&J vaccineRabid Roach
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 by: nospam - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:17 UTC

In article <UPHLI.34112$rr3.7247@fx34.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
wrote:

> > Just for fun, here's a man and how well he managed getting the Moderna
> > shot. He doesn't look like he's older than I am.
> > <https://tv.gab.com/channel/r04ch/status/60ff44e37eeb835822ab4416>
>
> Correction on the above video, I meant to post this:
> <https://tv.gab.com/channel/r04ch/view/awful-consequences-of-the-moderna-shot-60ff44e37eeb835822ab4416>

linking a video of someone who is clearly faking a convulsion without
any additional info is not in any way credible.

what evidence is there that its not just an actor?

but even if it is real, that's only one person out of hundreds of
millions of jabs in the usa alone.

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 by: nospam - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:17 UTC

In article <sdnohu$rgl$3@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Take it or not -- your choice. What irritates me
> is that information is being withheld so you can make
> a decent informed choice.

nothing is being withheld.

if anything, there is an abundance of information.

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In article <4cKLI.18190$_fgb.12292@fx01.iad>, Rabid Roach
<rabid@roa.ch> wrote:

>
> And it's clearly not suspicious either. Just keep trusting your
> government as it demands that you sacrifice all of your rights and
> submit to two, then three, then yearly, then monthly, then weekly
> vaccines. Your government is virtuous and would never lie to you.

tin foil, aisle 4.

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In article <1sKLI.37628$Yv3.15801@fx41.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
wrote:

> The problem is that despite their best intentions, the doses don't
> _stay_ in the muscle. They manage their way into the rest of the body

that's kinda the point. a vaccine is not of much use if it's only in
one muscle.

> which is where the blood clots, whether microscopic or obvious, happen.

microscopic cloths don't matter and what you call obvious clots are
rare.

the j&j vaccine, which does have a small risk of clots, mostly in
younger women, has a *lower* incidence of blood clotting than many
other medications that have been used for *years*, including birth
control pills.

do you want to ban that too?

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 by: T - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:20 UTC

On 7/26/21 7:29 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-26 9:41 p.m., T wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 5:04 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>
>>> . There were no colds or flus because people just coincidentally
>>> claimed that everyone's flu was COVID-19. The CDC has already
>>> determined that the test can't differentiate between the Kung Flu and
>>> the regular flu hence _everything_ being diagnosed as the latter.
>>>
>>> <https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html>
>>
>>
>>
>> It is even worse than that.  The commie flue are had a major
>> benefit in these parts.  Look at the list of death rates it has
>> virtually cured!
>>
>> -- Flu
>> -- Colds
>> -- ashtma
>> -- auto accidents
>> -- tire tracks across the head
>> -- gun shots
>> -- stabbings
>> -- heart disease
>> -- cancer
>>
>> All of these have virtually dropped to zero!
>>
>> Oh no corruption here.
>
> And it's clearly not suspicious either. Just keep trusting your
> government as it demands that you sacrifice all of your rights and
> submit to two, then three, then yearly, then monthly, then weekly
> vaccines. Your government is virtuous and would never lie to you.
>

Some quotes from a extreme leftist monster:

The authority of the State is not subject to negotiation,
or compromise, or to divide its terrain with other moral
or religious principles that might interfere in onsciousness.
The authority of the State has force and is true authority
if, within consciousness, it is entirely unconditioned.

It is necessary to distinguish between socialism and
socialism—in fact, between idea and idea of the same
socialist conception, in order to distinguish among them
those that are inimical to Fascism. It is well known that
Sorellian syndicalism, out of which the thought and the
political method of Fascism emerged—conceived itself the
genuine interpretation of Marxist communism. The dynamic
conception of history, in which force as violence functions
as an essential, is of unquestioned Marxist origin. Those
notions flowed into other currents of contemporary thought,
that have themselves, via alternative routes, arrived at a
vindication of the form of State—implacable, but absolutely
rational—that finds historic necessity in the very spiritual
dynamism through which it realizes itself.

Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the
State; and it is for the individual in so far as he
coincides with the State, which is the conscience and
universal will of man in his historical existence. It is
opposed to classical Liberalism, which arose form the
necessity of reacting against absolutism, and which brought
its historical purpose to an end when the State was
transformed into the conscience and will of the people.
Liberalism denied the State in the interests of the
particular individual; Fascism reaffirms the State as the
true reality of the individual. And if liberty is to be the
attribute of the real man, and not of that abstract puppet
envisaged by individualistic Liberalism, Fascism is for
liberty. And for the only liberty which can be a real thing,
the liberty of the State and of the individual within the
State. Therefore, for the Fascist, everything is in the
State, and nothing human or spiritual exists, much less has
value, outside the State. In this sense Fascism is
totalitarian, and the Fascist State, the synthesis and
unity of all values, interprets, develops and gives
strength to the whole life of the people.

These are from Giovanni Gentile, the founder of Fascism.

The difference between Fascism and Communism, beside
hating eath other, is that Fascists don't follow the
class struggle bull shit that the communists do. And
the difference between the Fascists, Communists, and Nazis
(also flaming leftists) is that all three think they
are the ones that got Marxism right. And they all
agree you have no rights.

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 by: T - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:25 UTC

On 7/26/21 7:30 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-26 9:44 p.m., T wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 6:27 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>> Oh no! But Fauci said!
>>
>> Fauci a.k.a "dr. flip flop" is the biggest liar.
>> Even in his freedom of release eMails, he said
>> they had little effect.
>>
>> And he lied his as off to congress about financing
>> the bios weapons lab this shit came from.
>
> I should be shocked that they haven't arrested and imprisoned him but
> I'm not since it's fairly clear, especially since the 90s, that crimes
> committed by anyone who might benefit the left are never investigated
> but if someone whose politics lean right even breathes wrong, OFF WITH
> HIS HEAD!
>

We are truly losing our country. Sadly, we do have
a two tiered justice system. One for Liberals and
one for everyone else.

Can you think of what would have happened to any
of Trump's kids if the sold shitty art to anonymous
donors for YUGE undisclosed amounts?

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 by: T - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 04:46 UTC

On 7/26/21 7:35 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-26 9:46 p.m., T wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 4:45 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>> On 2021-07-26 6:39 p.m., T wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/21 11:52 AM, david c wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:30:19 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>> But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could walk out of your door right now, and be run over by a car.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you sit around all day, belaboring the invention of the
>>>>>> automobile ?
>>>>>> "If only we'd stuck with them horse and buggy". Well, people used
>>>>>> to get
>>>>>> run over by horse and buggy too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      https://amishamerica.com/category/buggy-accidents/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a danger of you developing Guillain-Barre syndrome, without a
>>>>>> vaccine at all. It occurs naturally. Do you sit around all day,
>>>>>> complaining about how life is so cruel ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, no, you just cherry-pick crap, without adding any value.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When the Delta gets you, we'll write a wonderful obit for you.
>>>>>> "The last
>>>>>> thing he said was "why is hospital Jello so weird?"".
>>>>>> Even in the hospital, you'll be trolling.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations Paul, you've posted a concise understandable response
>>>>> with which I agree.
>>>>> Unfortunately, the people to whom it is addressed will ignore it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi David,
>>>>
>>>> Paul's analysis is good except that full disclosure
>>>> is being withheld from the public.  This is a personal
>>>> decision and it should be made while fully informed
>>>> any not by the liars in the government and American
>>>> Pravda.
>>>>
>>>> Here is what I am talking about;
>>>>
>>>> FDA Admits Covid-19 Vaccine Worse Than Illness
>>>>
>>>> https://www.rodefshalom613.org/2021/03/fda-admits-covid-vaccine-worse-than-illness/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Here are the liars refuted with actual science on
>>>> the "Mask Up" front.
>>>>
>>>> Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic
>>>> review
>>>>
>>>> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>>>>
>>>> -T
>>>
>>> A very fair assessment. This information will be inconvenient to
>>> nospamipedia so he will claim that the source is garbage.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Take it or not -- your choice.  What irritates me
>> is that information is being withheld so you can make
>> a decent informed choice.
>
> Exactly. Politicians go on TV and make claims that they have provided
> people with a wealth of information but conveniently omit the fact that
> they are pushing social networks, media platforms and networks to censor
> any information which goes against their narrative. Countless people
> have already had their access to the Internet or its services cut, some
> have been imprisoned on trumped-up charges and even _words_ are
> disallowed from being used on certain services because they might lead
> to wrongthink. The most shocking of all of this is that the people who
> disagree with us SEE it but refuse to acknowledge that any of this is a
> problem.
>
>

That is a flaming leftist technique:

This is from a flaming Left Wing Marxist movement from
our not to recent past:

Gleichschaltung – the restructuring of German society and government
into streamlined, centralized hierarchies of power, with the intention
of gaining total control and co-ordination of all aspects of society.
Duke University’s notable historian, Claudia Koonz, described the
institutionalized Gleichschaltung of the National Socialist government
as comprehensive in scope and depth. For the Nazis, Gleichschaltung
meant absolute unequivocal conformity and obedience. Such uniform
programming of thought was part propaganda induced, partly the result of
the Gestapo enforcement mechanism, and part social pressure from every
direction; it was of paramount importance to act uniformly if one wanted
to remain a member of the Volksgenossen.

Before these left wing pigs starting executing you, if you
dared heresy against them, they would take your home, all
your property, all your savings, you jobs and thrown you
and your family out on the street. Our current actual
Nazis (actual ones, not what they call anyone who dare
to disagree with them) call it "Woke", "Cancel Culture",
and "Social Responsibility".

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T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 7/26/21 11:30 AM, Paul wrote:
>> Rabid Roach wrote:
>>> But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me
>>
>> You could walk out of your door right now, and be
>> run over by a car.
>>
>> Do you sit around all day, belaboring the invention
>> of the automobile ? "If only we'd stuck with them horse
>> and buggy". Well, people used to get run over by horse
>> and buggy too.
>>
>>    https://amishamerica.com/category/buggy-accidents/
>>
>> There's a danger of you developing Guillain-Barre syndrome,
>> without a vaccine at all. It occurs naturally. Do you sit
>> around all day, complaining about how life is so cruel ?
>>
>> Well, no, you just cherry-pick crap, without adding any value.
>>
>> When the Delta gets you, we'll write a wonderful obit for you.
>> "The last thing he said was "why is hospital Jello so weird?"".
>> Even in the hospital, you'll be trolling.
>>
>>    Paul
>
>
> Paul,
>
> You left some things our of your otherwise good analysis.
>
> 1) The death rate from the commie flu ion now very low,
> including the variants

It's not flu. It's a coronavirus; a very different thing. Why is the death
rate dropping? Vaccines!

> 2) The vaccine is NOT A VACCINE. It is an experimental
> mRNA threaten

Wrong.

> 3) There have been 4000 reported deaths from the mRNA
> treatment with ~ 13% reported.

Evidence? plus compare it to the number of deaths from covid-19.

> 4) The "government" is such a pack of absolute liars:
> Masks are useless in stopping ANY virus; social distancing
> is a joke;

False.

lock downs ruining folks lives and businesses
> are only temporary at best.

Of course they're temporary. The point is to give health services and the
science time to treat the critically ill and develop better treatments.
Ultimately to save as many lives as possible.

> And it is not as if all this
> was not proven with multiple Randomized

How does one RCT a lockdown?

> The question arises, what are these liars lying about now?
> It is no coincidence that THE ONLY evidence of the above
> working is ass hole standing around in white coats
> pull shit out their asses. Their recommendation ARE NOT
> science. They are classic propanda narratives.

False. The scientists have been astonishing in their response. The
development of the vaccine and identifying better in treatments so quickly
in the eye if the storm has been amazing.

> 5) after the severe life threatening reactions to the
> mRNA treatment, the follow up threat from the mRNA
> treatment is Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE).
> mRNA treatments as legendary for this. What is means
> is that after the fake antibodies wear off, your own
> immune system will be incapable of creating antibodies
> to what was targeted by the mRNA treatment.

Even if that were true, it would be an argument for more vaccination not
against it.

> In case you missed what I just said, if ADE kicks in on
> you and the endless booster treatments don't kill you,
> the virus WILL kill you. And that is not an *IF*.
>
> And I am not joking. There has not been enough time to
> test humans for ADE, but there has with animals models.
> Guess what. THEY ALL DIED.

Bullshit. Evidence?

> Hope the F***ing yearly booster shot works and they
> somehow figure out a way to reduce the severe
> reactions to it.
>
> 6) does not help that any off use off drugs shown to
> treat the commie flu with Randomized Clinical
> Trials is being suppressed by social media, Google,
> and the liars in the government, especially if Trump
> mentioned them. These real fascists (not what they
> call everyone else that disagrees with them) would
> rather die than admit Trump was right about something.
> This has been highly politicized from the git go.

He was right about nothing. There have been off-label treatments that have
been shown to w we ork e.g. dexamethosone but none of the ones he promoted.
Even the blood plasma transfusion, which he was treated with, has just been
shown to be ineffective.

> 7) evidence of mRNA jabbed individuals still catching
> the commie flu are being suppressed, as is the now
> very low death rate, and the death rate from the jab
> itself.

Nothing's suppressed. Over here a well known journalist caught it after
being double-jabbed. He was sick and off work for two weeks.

It is not a failure of the vaccine. In the middle of apandemic breakthrough
cases will happen because the vaccine is not 100%.

Deaths and hospitalisations have dropped like a stone which is what the
vaccine is for.

> Oh and not telling people that this IS NOT A VACCINE.
>
>
>
> Your point that this is a crap shoot is absolutely accurate.
> My only problem with your analysis is that it was not
> based on complete information. This is a personal
> decision on the individuals part. My only objection
> is they they make that decision FULLY INFORMED.

You've got some work to do, then.

> And not by Gleichschaltung.
>
> And there are other way to protect yourself when out in
> public. You can do what the medical staff does
> in China. They have an extremely low doctor death
> rate to the commie flu. Anyone interested, I will
> provide Randomized Clinical Trials.

Go on then.

> -T
>
>

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 by: Chris - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 10:40 UTC

On 27/07/2021 02:41, T wrote:
> On 7/26/21 5:04 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>
>> . There were no colds or flus because people just coincidentally
>> claimed that everyone's flu was COVID-19. The CDC has already
>> determined that the test can't differentiate between the Kung Flu and
>> the regular flu hence _everything_ being diagnosed as the latter.
>>
>> <https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html>
>
>
> It is even worse than that.  The commie flue are had a major
> benefit in these parts.  Look at the list of death rates it has
> virtually cured!
>
> -- Flu
> -- Colds
> -- ashtma

What a surprise! A global suppression of an infectious respiratory
disease has reduced the prevalence of other respiratory diseases. I
mean, I wonder if there's link...? Can't be.

> -- auto accidents
> -- tire tracks across the head

OMG! Forcing the population to stay at home and not drive, has the
side-effect of fewer car accidents. Who would have thought that was
possible!!!

> -- gun shots
> -- stabbings

False. Violent crimes have not substantially changed. Unsurprisingly
getting people to stay cooped up in close promiximity to lethal weapons
is not a good mix!

> -- heart disease
> -- cancer

Not a clear picture here, but given that comorbidities were a strong
factor in COVID deaths then it means that COVID got them before the
heart disease or cancer.

> All of these have virtually dropped to zero!

LOL.

> Oh no corruption here.

Like a good 8th grader, you ought to show your workings.

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 by: Chris - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 10:46 UTC

On 27/07/2021 04:38, Paul wrote:
> Rabid Roach wrote:
>
>> Geez, you're an idiot. There were no colds or flus because people just
>> coincidentally claimed that everyone's flu was COVID-19. The CDC has
>> already determined that the test can't differentiate between the Kung
>> Flu and the regular flu hence _everything_ being diagnosed as the latter.
>>
>> <https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html>
>
>
> Timmy, that's not what that says.
>
> As I explained earlier today in another place, these
> fluorescence tests, uses reagents picked for the species of interest.
>
> The types of COVID which are no longer dominant, from
> a percentage standpoint, are dropping into oblivion. Things
> like Delta are taking over. Why would you be testing for
> Alpha today, when there's no significant Alpha to speak of ?
>
> In addition, there are other conditions that a reagent might
> test for. Up to some point, you could combine (multiplex)
> agents into the same liquid, and if the fluorescence equipment
> can assay these items in parallel (X percent this, Y percent that),
> then the instrumentation can screen more than one thing during
> the same test interval on the machine.

Exactly. It makes sense to have one test that can do COVID *and* flu at
the same time to be able to better differentiate between the two cases
or maybe even in cases where someone has both.

> If you can screen for alpha versus delta COVID, you could
> add in other things, as long as the signals from each
> can be distinguished and quantified by the equipment.
> (Think... spectrometer)

This is called progress. Methods were developed in haste and now we can
improve the tests based on nearly 2-years' worth of data.

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 by: Chris - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 11:17 UTC

On 27/07/2021 02:22, T wrote:
> On 7/26/21 4:35 PM, Mayayana wrote:
>> "T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>
>>
>> | Here are the liars refuted with actual science on
>> | the "Mask Up" front.
>> |
>> | Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic
>> review
>> |
>> |
>> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
>>
>> |
>>
>>    You're still claiming masks don't work?! Ask the wise
>> aliens who told you that why there were virtually no
>> colds or flu last winter. And don't say it's because no
>> one went out. Lots of people had to go out. I went to
>> work and grocery shopping regularly myself. (The 2010 study
>> you linked only says "further study is needed".)
>>
>>
>
> Mask are total bull shit.  Viruses go right through them.
> The only thing that will protect you is the full hoody
> with the tube down your back the hip filter (called a
> respirator).  Ask your self, have you EVEN seen ANY
> military in the world practicing NBC (nuclear,
> biological, chemical) training wearing masks?  Gee
> wiz, I wonder what they know that we don't?
>
>
> Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health
> Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers
> https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
>
> Results:
> A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the
> recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862
> completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42
> participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants
> (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95% CI,
> −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to
> 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up
> yielded similar results. Although the difference observed was not
> statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a 46%
> reduction to a 23% increase in infection.
>
> 0.3% difference !!!  NO STATISTICAL DIFFERENCE!

For completeness:

"Limitation:
Inconclusive results, missing data, variable adherence, patient-reported
findings on home tests, no blinding, and no assessment of whether masks
could decrease disease transmission from mask wearers to others."

Doesn't look like the most robust study in the world. Not a surprise
they didn't find a statistical difference.

>
> Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of respiratory
> viruses
> https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub5/full

Conext added back:

"Authors' conclusions
The high risk of bias in the trials, variation in outcome measurement,
and relatively low compliance with the interventions during the studies
hamper drawing firm conclusions and generalising the findings to the
current COVID‐19 pandemic.

There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low‐moderate
certainty of the evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is
limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed
estimate of the effect.
> The pooled results of randomised trials did not show a clear reduction
> in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks
> during seasonal influenza. There were no clear differences between the
> use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in
> healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral
> infection.
Hand hygiene is likely to modestly reduce the burden of respiratory
illness. Harms associated with physical interventions were
under‐investigated.

There is a need for large, well‐designed RCTs addressing the
effectiveness of many of these interventions in multiple settings and
populations, especially in those most at risk of ARIs."

So, even the authors aren't confident of their findings and whether they
have any relevance to COVID. Your evidence of anything is severely lacking.

Of course you're falling into the ego-centric mentality that mask
wearing reduces the spread of disease *from* the mask wearer to others.
Just like in an operating theatre the surgery team wear masks to protect
the patient not to protect themselves from the patient. It's basic
clincial hygiene.

Science is a bit beyond you, isn't it?

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 by: Jonathan N. Little - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 12:44 UTC

T wrote:
>
> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.

Again absolutely false.

mRNA is the special RNA which are in our cells which build templates of
parts of pathogens to teach out immune cells to recognize the pathogens.
What is revolutionary about the mRNA vaccines over previous vaccines is
that in the past vaccines were made by taking bits of pathogens, or
weakened pathogens, or killed pathogens and injecting it to propote
immunity. Those bits would "teach" mRNA how to make the templates and
hopefully in the case of weakening agent vaccine not infect us with the
disease.

What is new with the mRNA vaccines is it IS mRNA already which is
"taught" or configured to make templates of the special proteins on the
pathogen to teach our immune cell to recognize and attack the pathogen
if exposed. It just skips the whole beginning process of the traditional
vaccine processes. More efficient and also less risk because the vaccine
does NOT contain any of the pathogen.

ALSO: mRNA only resides in the cell but OUTSIDE of the nucleolus and
CANNOT mutate you!

--
Take care,

Jonathan
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 by: Rene Lamontagne - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:26 UTC

On 2021-07-26 11:11 p.m., Paul wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 7/26/21 4:35 PM, Mayayana wrote:
>>> "T" <T@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>
>>> | FDA Admits Covid-19 Vaccine Worse Than Illness
>>> |
>>> |
>>> https://www.rodefshalom613.org/2021/03/fda-admits-covid-vaccine-worse-than-illness/
>>>
>>>
>>>    If the FDA said that then you should be able to link to
>>> their own statement. Instead you've linked to someone
>>> who's making wild claims that are not backed up by his
>>> own writing. His damning headlines don't match what he wrote.
>>> Please actually read these articles before screaming that the
>>> sky is falling.
>>
>> I see that.  Cite 17:
>>
>> http://enformtk.u-aizu.ac.jp/howard/gcep_dr_vanessa_schmidt_krueger/
>>
>> That is ass holes in white coats pulling things
>> out their asses.  So that totally trashes the article.
>> You are totally correct.
>
> Indeed. The person you quote receives an analysis here.
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/biology/comments/lxdsaq/a_claim_by_dr_vanessa_schmidtkruger_a_cell/
>
>
>     "This is patently false. At this point I stopped reading because I
> genuinely can't
>      imagine a PhD would say this. It makes me question her
> credentials. The Pfizer
>      vaccine utilizes mRNA, which cannot be integrated into the human
> genome.
>      Its literally impossible."
>
> I had to pick that, because I'm not reading a hundred
> thousand line Slack transcript. Gish Gallop. There aren't
> enough hours in the day.
>
>>
>>
>> A lot better exposition can be found over on:
>>
>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=antibody+dependent+enhancement+covid
>>
>>
>> For instance:
>> Antibody-dependent enhancement and SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and therapies
>> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32908214/
>> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-020-00789-5
>>
>> Conclusion
>> ADE has been observed in SARS, MERS and other human respiratory virus
>> infections including RSV and measles, which suggests a real risk of
>> ADE for SARS-CoV-2 vaccines and antibody-based interventions.
>> *However, clinical data has not yet fully established a role for ADE
>> in human COVID-19 pathology.* Steps to reduce the risks of ADE from
>> immunotherapies include the induction or delivery of high doses of
>> potent neutralizing antibodies, rather than lower concentrations of
>> non-neutralizing antibodies that would be more likely to cause ADE.
>>
>> Going forwards, it will be crucial to evaluate animal and clinical
>> datasets for signs of ADE, and to balance ADE-related safety risks
>> against intervention efficacy if clinical ADE is observed. Ongoing
>> animal and human clinical studies will provide important insights into
>> the mechanisms of ADE in COVID-19. Such evidence is sorely needed to
>> ensure product safety in the large-scale medical interventions that
>> are likely required to reduce the global burden of COVID-19.
>>
>>
>> This information if being hidden from the public.  The
>> mRNA jab is YUGE human experiment.  And there is the possibility of it
>> will kill millions of people.  Hopefully
>> a booster will take care of the ADE, providing folks don't
>> develop a severe allergy to it and have unending access to
>> the boosters.  Atherwise they are dead.
>>
>> If you read through the various studies on Pub Med, you
>> will notice a trend.  ADE actually happens, but they
>> just don't know if it will happen this time.
>>
>>      *However, clinical data has not yet fully established
>>      a "role for ADE in human COVID-19 pathology.*
>>
>> People need to know all the information before making an
>> informed decision.  You still want to take the
>> not-a-vaccine vaccine, go for it.  It is your
>> decision alone to become or to pass on this YUGE
>> human trial.
>
> This is the easy-to-read answer on ADE.
>
> https://immunizebc.ca/ask-us/questions/do-mrna-vaccines-cause-antibody-dependent-enhancement-ade-covid-19-disease
>
>
>
>>> | Here are the liars refuted with actual science on
>>> | the "Mask Up" front.
>>> |
>>> | Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic
>>> review
>>> |
>>> |
>>> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
>>>
>>> |
>>>
>>>    You're still claiming masks don't work?! Ask the wise
>>> aliens who told you that why there were virtually no
>>> colds or flu last winter. And don't say it's because no
>>> one went out. Lots of people had to go out. I went to
>>> work and grocery shopping regularly myself. (The 2010 study
>>> you linked only says "further study is needed".)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Mask are total bull shit.  Viruses go right through them.
>> The only thing that will protect you is the full hoody
>> with the tube down your back the hip filter (called a
>> respirator).  Ask your self, have you EVEN seen ANY
>> military in the world practicing NBC (nuclear,
>> biological, chemical) training wearing masks?  Gee
>> wiz, I wonder what they know that we don't?
>>
>>
>> Effectiveness of Adding a Mask Recommendation to Other Public Health
>> Measures to Prevent SARS-CoV-2 Infection in Danish Mask Wearers
>> https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817
>>
>> Results:
>> A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the
>> recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862
>> completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42
>> participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants
>> (2.1%). The between-group difference was −0.3 percentage point (95%
>> CI, −1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI,
>> 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to
>> follow-up yielded similar results. Although the difference observed
>> was not statistically significant, the 95% CIs are compatible with a
>> 46% reduction to a 23% increase in infection.
>>
>> 0.3% difference !!!  NO STATISTICAL DIFFERENCE!
>>
>>
>> Physical interventions to interrupt or reduce the spread of
>> respiratory viruses
>> https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD006207.pub5/full
>>
>>
>> The pooled results of randomised trials *did not show* a clear
>> reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of
>> medical/surgical masks during seasonal influenza. There were no clear
>> differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with
>> N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to
>> reduce respiratory viral infection.
>>
>>
>> If you have read this far, you need to look up the meaning
>> of "Gleichschaltung".
>>
>> -T
>
> You're forgetting that masks are also psychological.
> When I'm wearing a mask, not only am I wearing a mask,
> I'm also staying six feet from you.
>
> In fact, at the grocery store this afternoon,
> like trained pachyderms, everyone stays exactly
> siz feed apart until a cash was available. We're still
> wearing masks here, *all* of us. Once you get outside
> the store, you can do anything you feel like.
>
> At the hospital where I had my latest test done, it
> says right on the sign at the entrance (where they
> process you, check that you have an appointment),
> that *clients are not to wear N95 masks*. The hospital
> provides a fresh mask, of the kind you despise, to
> try to prevent surfaces contamination by people using
> masks that are a year old :-) It you come in the door
> with an N95, you take it off, not because of any
> inherent property of the mask, but, because the
> amount of handling (on either side of the fabric)
> is an unknown. Then you're handling elevator buttons
> and so on. And that's the stupid part of that hospital,
> I would much rather take the stairs than the elevator.
> I don't really want to ride in the elevators. Even the
> protocol for riding the elevators is non-existent. They
> should have had one person assigned there, to say things
> like "three clients per car" or whatever.
>
>    Paul


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 by: Rene Lamontagne - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:38 UTC

On 2021-07-26 11:17 p.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <sdndjm$5ke$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>>> You could walk out of your door right now, and be run over by a car.
>>>>
>>>> Do you sit around all day, belaboring the invention of the automobile ?
>>>> "If only we'd stuck with them horse and buggy". Well, people used to get
>>>> run over by horse and buggy too.
>>>>
>>>> https://amishamerica.com/category/buggy-accidents/
>>>>
>>>> There's a danger of you developing Guillain-Barre syndrome, without a
>>>> vaccine at all. It occurs naturally. Do you sit around all day,
>>>> complaining about how life is so cruel ?
>>>>
>>>> Well, no, you just cherry-pick crap, without adding any value.
>>>>
>>>> When the Delta gets you, we'll write a wonderful obit for you. "The last
>>>> thing he said was "why is hospital Jello so weird?"".
>>>> Even in the hospital, you'll be trolling.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>
>>> Congratulations Paul, you've posted a concise understandable response
>>> with which I agree.
>>> Unfortunately, the people to whom it is addressed will ignore it.
>>>
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> Paul's analysis is good except that full disclosure
>> is being withheld from the public. This is a personal
>> decision and it should be made while fully informed
>> any not by the liars in the government and American
>> Pravda.
>
> getting a covid vaccine is a public health decision and nobody is lying
> about anything about it, other than the conspiracy nutjobs, who for
> some reason hate people and want them to all to die, so they keep
> making up all kinds of crazy shit about the dangers, none of which have
> any basis in reality.
>
>> Here is what I am talking about;
>>
>> FDA Admits Covid-19 Vaccine Worse Than Illness
>
> no they very definitely didn't.
>
>> https://www.rodefshalom613.org/2021/03/fda-admits-covid-vaccine-worse-than-ill
>
> that's not the fda's web site.
>
>> Here are the liars refuted with actual science on
>> the "Mask Up" front.
>>
>> Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic review
>>
>> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/fac
>
> that's doesn't say what you think it does
>
>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>> take or not. Be fully informed before you do.
>
> it very definitely is a vaccine.
>
> as for information, obtain it from credible websites, not the wacko
> ones where people make up ridiculous things, fabricate numbers and
> stick magnets and forks to their arms.
>

Geez, Thems people must be chewing up a lot of IRON pills.

Rene

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<270720210017437254%nospam@nospam.invalid>, nospam
<nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

>In article <1sKLI.37628$Yv3.15801@fx41.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
>wrote:
>
>> The problem is that despite their best intentions, the doses don't
>> _stay_ in the muscle. They manage their way into the rest of the body
>
>that's kinda the point. a vaccine is not of much use if it's only in
>one muscle.
>
>> which is where the blood clots, whether microscopic or obvious, happen.
>
>microscopic cloths don't matter and what you call obvious clots are
>rare.
>
>the j&j vaccine, which does have a small risk of clots, mostly in
>younger women, has a *lower* incidence of blood clotting than many
>other medications that have been used for *years*, including birth
>control pills.
>
>do you want to ban that too?

the only solid number I saw for the incidence of clotting after
receiving the vaccine was about 6 in a million. The incidence of
clotting in the absence of any vaccine or other known causative agent
is about 5 in a million. those numbers are statistically
insignificant... and when that was pointed out we got no more
statistics, just apocryphal stories.

How interesting when the incidence is so low that RR seems to be
acquainted with several.
--
Jim H

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 by: Rene Lamontagne - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 14:55 UTC

On 2021-07-26 11:17 p.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <YyHLI.72432$dp5.48575@fx48.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
> wrote:
>
>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9480051/Medical-student-21-died-
>>>> da
>>>> y-getting-J-J-vaccine.html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/39-year-old-dies-after-astrazeneca-vacc
>>>> ine-
>>>> a-second-dose-following-sinovac>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.the-sun.com/news/2305200/doctor-dies-36-others-develop-rare-bl
>>>> ood-
>>>> disorder-vaccines/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/woman-dies-after-sec
>>>> ond-
>>>> vaccine-dose-under-mix-and-match-program/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://globalnews.ca/news/7835081/alberta-woman-death-astrazeneca-covid-v
>>>> acc
>>>> ine/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/18/greek-woman-dies-after-second-pfizer-
>>>> vac
>>>> cine/>
>>>>
>>>> Had these people never gotten the vaccine, they would still be alive
>>>> today.
>>>
>>> nonsense.
>>>
>>> there is *zero* evidence that the vaccine is what killed them or that
>>> they'd still be alive if they had not taken it.
>>
>> Liar.
>
> prove that the vaccine killed them.
>
> how is it you know what killed them, versus doctors who claim otherwise?
>
>>> meanwhile, *far* more people die from covid every day than from the
>>> vaccines.
>>
>> The number of _cases_ does not extend to _deaths_, no. Besides, it has
>> already been reported that hospitals were labeling something a COVID-19
>> death even if the virus had nothing to do with their demise.
>
> absolutely false.
>
> faking a cause of death would be fraud. nobody is going to risk losing
> their license and career just to ramp up the numbers, and for what
> purpose?
>
>> According
>> to this: <https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/> there
>> are 626,826 _confirmed_ COVID deaths so far in the United States whereas
>> there are apparently at least 45,000 vaccine deaths
>
> there are nowhere near 45,000 deaths from covid vaccines.
>
> but even if we were to assume that's true, 45000 deaths out of 300
> million jabs is much less than 626000 deaths out of 35 million covid
> infections.
>
> even with bogus data, vaccines are safer.
>
> if you're trying to prove that vaccines are unsafe, you're not doing a
> very good job of it.
>
>> <https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bombshell-lawsuit-govt-whistleblower-says-c
>> oronavirus-vaccine-deaths-at-least-45000>.
>> Those ratios aren't too favourable.
>
> they are also baseless.
>
> it's yet another misunderstanding of what vaers numbers mean and the
> anonymous whistleblower will have to testify and lose her anonymity if
> it the lawsuit goes anywhere (which it won't).
>
> and to no surprise, the people behind it are the nuttiest of nutjobs.
>
> The filed motion was submitted on behalf of America¹s Frontline
> Doctors (AFLDS) against radically pro-abortion Xavier Becerra,
> Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
>
> america's frontline doctors is the group with stella immanuel, who is
> well known for some very bizarro and totally fucked up claims.
>
> nobody is going to consider her or any of her minions to be credible at
> all.
>
> that lawsuit is dead on arrival.
>
> here's just a sampling of her 'ideas' (if you can even call it that):
>
> <https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/carl-hiaasen/arti
> cle244639667.html>
> DNA taken from alien life forms is being secretly used in modern
> medical treatments.
>
> Conditions such as endometriosis and uterine cysts are caused by
> women having ³astral sex² with witches in their dreams, or by
> sleeping with men who carry ³demon sperm.²
>
> The U.S. government has been infiltrated by ³reptilians²and other
> alien beings.
>
> Scientists are scheming to create a vaccine that will stop people
> from becoming religious.
>
> Evil forces are conspiring to use toys, books and TV shows to
> introduce children to demons and witches.
>
> A special prayer will halt curses from being passed from one
> generation to the next in the placentas of family members.
>

Holy Crap, Is that ignorant stupid bitch for Real?

Rene

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In article <7l60gg9va2pceb09d88ugirb57bn8ipe1n@4ax.com>, Jim H
<invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >> which is where the blood clots, whether microscopic or obvious, happen.
> >
> >microscopic cloths don't matter and what you call obvious clots are
> >rare.
> >
> >the j&j vaccine, which does have a small risk of clots, mostly in
> >younger women, has a *lower* incidence of blood clotting than many
> >other medications that have been used for *years*, including birth
> >control pills.
> >
> >do you want to ban that too?
>
> the only solid number I saw for the incidence of clotting after
> receiving the vaccine was about 6 in a million. The incidence of
> clotting in the absence of any vaccine or other known causative agent
> is about 5 in a million. those numbers are statistically
> insignificant... and when that was pointed out we got no more
> statistics, just apocryphal stories.

yep.

it's also easily treatable. the only issue is that doctors need to be
aware the clot is from the vaccine, which requires different treatment
than other types of clots.

> How interesting when the incidence is so low that RR seems to be
> acquainted with several.

conspiracy nutjobs ignore facts to justify their claim.

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In article <imal3qFhqcpU1@mid.individual.net>, Rene Lamontagne
<rlamont@shaw.ca> wrote:

> > and to no surprise, the people behind it are the nuttiest of nutjobs.
> >
> > The filed motion was submitted on behalf of America1s Frontline
> > Doctors (AFLDS) against radically pro-abortion Xavier Becerra,
> > Secretary of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services
> >
> > america's frontline doctors is the group with stella immanuel, who is
> > well known for some very bizarro and totally fucked up claims.
> >
> > nobody is going to consider her or any of her minions to be credible at
> > all.
> >
> > that lawsuit is dead on arrival.
> >
> > here's just a sampling of her 'ideas' (if you can even call it that):
> >
> > <https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/carl-hiaasen/arti
> > cle244639667.html>
> > DNA taken from alien life forms is being secretly used in modern
> > medical treatments.
> >
> > Conditions such as endometriosis and uterine cysts are caused by
> > women having 3astral sex2 with witches in their dreams, or by
> > sleeping with men who carry 3demon sperm.2
> >
> > The U.S. government has been infiltrated by 3reptilians2and other
> > alien beings.
> >
> > Scientists are scheming to create a vaccine that will stop people
> > from becoming religious.
> >
> > Evil forces are conspiring to use toys, books and TV shows to
> > introduce children to demons and witches.
> >
> > A special prayer will halt curses from being passed from one
> > generation to the next in the placentas of family members.
> >
>
> Holy Crap, Is that ignorant stupid bitch for Real?

she is indeed real, with a medical degree and a medical practice in
texas.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Immanuel>

although to her credit, reptiles infiltrating the government of the usa
would be an improvement over what exists now...

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 by: Rabid Roach - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:21 UTC

On 2021-07-27 12:17 a.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <UPHLI.34112$rr3.7247@fx34.iad>, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>> Just for fun, here's a man and how well he managed getting the Moderna
>>> shot. He doesn't look like he's older than I am.
>>> <https://tv.gab.com/channel/r04ch/status/60ff44e37eeb835822ab4416>
>>
>> Correction on the above video, I meant to post this:
>> <https://tv.gab.com/channel/r04ch/view/awful-consequences-of-the-moderna-shot-60ff44e37eeb835822ab4416>
>
> linking a video of someone who is clearly faking a convulsion without
> any additional info is not in any way credible.
>
> what evidence is there that its not just an actor?
>
> but even if it is real, that's only one person out of hundreds of
> millions of jabs in the usa alone.

Your physical reaction to the vaccine is a lie! Stop convulsing this minute!

Here is something that I happened to stumble upon on my Gab account.
That physical reaction is consistent with what my sister-in-law got s
well as the reaction my neighbour's daughter suffered. Read carefully
what he wrote which, I imagine, you will claim is a lie as well.

For those who won't see the image, it is an inflated leg with a ton of
red marks all over it. He says "here is a pic of my dad. Spent 3 weeks
in the hospital with afib, swelling in his feet and rash head to toe.
Pfizer vaccine. Thank god, he seems to be recovering...but my stepmom
not so much. FYI after seeing what they went through, I identify as a
antivaxer now... this is insane!"

<https://imgur.com/a/3jk2oup>

I'm not going to bother responding to you anymore because in addition to
your lies, you are now claiming that referring to the virus as a "commie
flu" is racist even though China is indeed a Communist nation and the
virus indeed originated there. Apparently, even saying "negro" is a
problem to Newspeak adherents such as yourself even though the word is
valid and basically means "person of black skin" in the same way that
"caucasian" means "person of white skin."

I imagine that to clowms like you "Rio Negro" which translates to "black
river" is also an issue and you will push for it to be renamed.

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Immune to all _ist labels

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On 2021-07-27 12:17 a.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <sdnohu$rgl$3@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Take it or not -- your choice. What irritates me
>> is that information is being withheld so you can make
>> a decent informed choice.
>
> nothing is being withheld.
>
> if anything, there is an abundance of information.

More lies:

<https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/journalists-claim-alternative-covid-19-news-censorship-create-one-official-narrative/>

<https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/05/vaccine-info-site-censored/>

<https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/censored-pro-vaccine-doctor-francis-christian-over-covid-19-vaccine-safety-concerns/>

<https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/06/02/we-now-know-why-facebook-may-have-censored-the-lab-leak-theory-n2590360>

There are tons more but you will lie about that as well so I'm not going
to bother.

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Immune to all _ist labels

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On 2021-07-27 12:17 a.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <4cKLI.18190$_fgb.12292@fx01.iad>, Rabid Roach
> <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>>
>> And it's clearly not suspicious either. Just keep trusting your
>> government as it demands that you sacrifice all of your rights and
>> submit to two, then three, then yearly, then monthly, then weekly
>> vaccines. Your government is virtuous and would never lie to you.
>
> tin foil, aisle 4.

Just like it told the truth about vaccine passports, eh?

They spent all of 2020 telling us that it is a conspiracy theory that
they would use them and now those same leaders are announcing their use
and saying that you will be locked out of many daily activities if you
don't have one.

Look up the links yourself.

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Immune to all _ist labels

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 by: Rene Lamontagne - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:33 UTC

On 2021-07-27 11:28 a.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-27 12:17 a.m., nospam wrote:
>> In article <4cKLI.18190$_fgb.12292@fx01.iad>, Rabid Roach
>> <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> And it's clearly not suspicious either. Just keep trusting your
>>> government as it demands that you sacrifice all of your rights and
>>> submit to two, then three, then yearly, then monthly, then weekly
>>> vaccines. Your government is virtuous and would never lie to you.
>>
>> tin foil, aisle 4.
>
> Just like it told the truth about vaccine passports, eh?
>
> They spent all of 2020 telling us that it is a conspiracy theory that
> they would use them and now those same leaders are announcing their use
> and saying that you will be locked out of many daily activities if you
> don't have one.
>
> Look up the links yourself.
>

Heavy duty 18 inch foil aisle 4A
One eight inch sheet lead Aisle 21

Rene

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 by: Rabid Roach - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:34 UTC

On 2021-07-27 12:25 a.m., T wrote:
> On 7/26/21 7:30 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>> On 2021-07-26 9:44 p.m., T wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 6:27 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>> Oh no! But Fauci said!
>>>
>>> Fauci a.k.a "dr. flip flop" is the biggest liar.
>>> Even in his freedom of release eMails, he said
>>> they had little effect.
>>>
>>> And he lied his as off to congress about financing
>>> the bios weapons lab this shit came from.
>>
>> I should be shocked that they haven't arrested and imprisoned him but
>> I'm not since it's fairly clear, especially since the 90s, that crimes
>> committed by anyone who might benefit the left are never investigated
>> but if someone whose politics lean right even breathes wrong, OFF WITH
>> HIS HEAD!
>>
>
> We are truly losing our country.  Sadly, we do have
> a two tiered justice system.  One for Liberals and
> one for everyone else.
>
> Can you think of what would have happened to any
> of Trump's kids if the sold shitty art to anonymous
> donors for YUGE undisclosed amounts?

We're now supposed to believe that the crackhead Hunter Biden is a
changed man and no longer a drug-fueled pedophile. We should cheer his
decision to produce art but we are still not allowed to see a single
kilobyte of that laptop of his which allegedly contains child
pornography and material showing that his father is compromised
<https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/other/laptop-evidence-strongly-indicates-joe-biden-is-compromised-on-china/ar-BB1fo3t7>
<https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/287853>. Meanwhile,
we have to continue believing that anyone with Trump as a last name or
even indirectly associated with them are minions of Satan who destroy
everything they touch. Oh, and we can't allow them to even have social
media accounts because they're simply way too dangerous.

--
Rabid Roach
Immune to all _ist labels

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 by: Rene Lamontagne - Tue, 27 Jul 2021 16:36 UTC

On 2021-07-27 11:25 a.m., Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-27 12:17 a.m., nospam wrote:
>> In article <sdnohu$rgl$3@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Take it or not -- your choice.  What irritates me
>>> is that information is being withheld so you can make
>>> a decent informed choice.
>>
>> nothing is being withheld.
>>
>> if anything, there is an abundance of information.
>
> More lies:
>
> <https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/journalists-claim-alternative-covid-19-news-censorship-create-one-official-narrative/>
>
>
> <https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/05/vaccine-info-site-censored/>
>
> <https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/06/censored-pro-vaccine-doctor-francis-christian-over-covid-19-vaccine-safety-concerns/>
>
>
> <https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2021/06/02/we-now-know-why-facebook-may-have-censored-the-lab-leak-theory-n2590360>
>
>
> There are tons more but you will lie about that as well so I'm not going
> to bother.
>

How many sites in a ton? long or short ton ?

Rene

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On 2021-07-27 12:46 a.m., T wrote:
> On 7/26/21 7:35 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>> On 2021-07-26 9:46 p.m., T wrote:
>>> On 7/26/21 4:45 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>> On 2021-07-26 6:39 p.m., T wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/21 11:52 AM, david c wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 14:30:19 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rabid Roach wrote:
>>>>>>>> But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You could walk out of your door right now, and be run over by a car.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you sit around all day, belaboring the invention of the
>>>>>>> automobile ?
>>>>>>> "If only we'd stuck with them horse and buggy". Well, people used
>>>>>>> to get
>>>>>>> run over by horse and buggy too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      https://amishamerica.com/category/buggy-accidents/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a danger of you developing Guillain-Barre syndrome,
>>>>>>> without a
>>>>>>> vaccine at all. It occurs naturally. Do you sit around all day,
>>>>>>> complaining about how life is so cruel ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, no, you just cherry-pick crap, without adding any value.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When the Delta gets you, we'll write a wonderful obit for you.
>>>>>>> "The last
>>>>>>> thing he said was "why is hospital Jello so weird?"".
>>>>>>> Even in the hospital, you'll be trolling.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Paul
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Congratulations Paul, you've posted a concise understandable response
>>>>>> with which I agree.
>>>>>> Unfortunately, the people to whom it is addressed will ignore it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul's analysis is good except that full disclosure
>>>>> is being withheld from the public.  This is a personal
>>>>> decision and it should be made while fully informed
>>>>> any not by the liars in the government and American
>>>>> Pravda.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is what I am talking about;
>>>>>
>>>>> FDA Admits Covid-19 Vaccine Worse Than Illness
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.rodefshalom613.org/2021/03/fda-admits-covid-vaccine-worse-than-illness/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are the liars refuted with actual science on
>>>>> the "Mask Up" front.
>>>>>
>>>>> Face masks to prevent transmission of influenza virus: a systematic
>>>>> review
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/epidemiology-and-infection/article/face-masks-to-prevent-transmission-of-influenza-virus-a-systematic-review/64D368496EBDE0AFCC6639CCC9D8BC05
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The mRNA jab, which IS NOT A VACCINE, is your choice to
>>>>> take or not.  Be fully informed before you do.
>>>>>
>>>>> -T
>>>>
>>>> A very fair assessment. This information will be inconvenient to
>>>> nospamipedia so he will claim that the source is garbage.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Take it or not -- your choice.  What irritates me
>>> is that information is being withheld so you can make
>>> a decent informed choice.
>>
>> Exactly. Politicians go on TV and make claims that they have provided
>> people with a wealth of information but conveniently omit the fact
>> that they are pushing social networks, media platforms and networks to
>> censor any information which goes against their narrative. Countless
>> people have already had their access to the Internet or its services
>> cut, some have been imprisoned on trumped-up charges and even _words_
>> are disallowed from being used on certain services because they might
>> lead to wrongthink. The most shocking of all of this is that the
>> people who disagree with us SEE it but refuse to acknowledge that any
>> of this is a problem.
>>
>>
>
> That is a flaming leftist technique:
>
> This is from a flaming Left Wing Marxist movement from
> our not to recent past:
>
> Gleichschaltung – the restructuring of German society and government
> into streamlined, centralized hierarchies of power, with the intention
> of gaining total control and co-ordination of all aspects of society.
> Duke University’s notable historian, Claudia Koonz, described the
> institutionalized Gleichschaltung of the National Socialist government
> as comprehensive in scope and depth. For the Nazis, Gleichschaltung
> meant absolute unequivocal conformity and obedience. Such uniform
> programming of thought was part propaganda induced, partly the result of
> the Gestapo enforcement mechanism, and part social pressure from every
> direction; it was of paramount importance to act uniformly if one wanted
> to remain a member of the Volksgenossen.
>
> Before these left wing pigs starting executing you, if you
> dared heresy against them, they would take your home, all
> your property, all your savings, you jobs and thrown you
> and your family out on the street.  Our current actual
> Nazis (actual ones, not what they call anyone who dare
> to disagree with them) call it "Woke", "Cancel Culture",
> and "Social Responsibility".

We can speak about this at length but the way they have now decided that
even words like "negro" and "caucasian" are a problem gives you an idea
of where our world is headed. They're down to censoring pictures of
negroes in the newspaper if they were pictured committing crimes and
whitening their skin to pin the crimes on caucasians. Calling it a
"Commie Flu," like you did in a previous post, is also unacceptable
because pointing out that it came from China and that the country is
Communist is somehow racist to these lunatics. The man convulsing after
receiving his Moderna shot? OH, that's clearly an actor according to the
nospam clown. I imagine he'll have the same kind of response to my
picture of the man with the inflated leg with red marks on it. The fact
that he claimed that the _healthy_ people who died within moments of
receiving a vaccine didn't actually die of the vaccine give us an idea
of what kind of monster we are dealing with.

Don't believe your lying eyes, everyone! That wife of yours who just
died in your arms a few seconds after receiving the "vaccine" didn't die
from it. It must have been your vegan diet.

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Rabid Roach
Immune to all _ist labels

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