nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> And yet, almost all Android phones have the FM radio
>
> no they don't.

Without choice...
Apple will automatically choose their most expensive solution for you.

On 2021-09-02 5:58 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> Anyone instantly see the fatal flaw in this infamous Snit video?
> https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo
> I did.
>
> Yet none of the Apple people did.
> Certainly Snit didn't. (Not even Frank Slootweg did.)
>
> There's a fatal flaw (always) in their arguments, visible in seconds.
> I can see it (because I'm intelligent).
>
> Can you?

I guess I'm not as attentive. What should I be noticing?

--
@RabidHussar

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> *_Y-O-U_ choose wired or wireless; not Apple!*
>
> *all* iphones support both wired and wireless headphones. full stop.
>
> anyone who claims otherwise is lying, or in your case, just stupid.

Apple will automatically choose the most expensive solution for you.
Thank God Apple is so "courageous" as to remove a common standard port.

The Google Pixel 5a with 5G isn't courageous; it's downright cowardly!
https://youtu.be/oJZuSVl5wjM?t=42

We need to chastise all the Android OEMs for making 99.5% of all Android
phones with that cowardly headphone jack. <https://youtu.be/oJZuSVl5wjM>

"Precisely 3.5 millimeters in diameter. Forged and machined from the finest
premium grade copper and iron. Housed in a unibody of dicast Al-u-min-i-u-m.
Engineered for optimal haptic feedback to deliver the satisfying feeling of
click. A circle, yes. But also a hole. A tiny black hole with the
gravitational pull of a trillion collapsed stars.... <wait for it>...
Al-u-min-i-um!"

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> the only difference was the connector changed, something that doesn't
> matter to anyone except trolls.

We need to chastise all the Android OEMs for making 99.5% of all Android
phones with that cowardly headphone jack. <https://youtu.be/oJZuSVl5wjM>

"Designed for well connected 1/8th inch 3 pole TRS and 4 pole TRRS
connections. A glorious achievement. That draws from our past as it propels
you into the future. (whisper... "it's a headphone jack") Yes. It's a
headphone jack. With the Google Pixel 5a with 5G, the circle has finally
come full circle... <wait for it>... Al-u-min-i-um!"

On 2021-09-02 3:19 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>>> And yet, almost all Android phones have the FM radio
>>
>> no they don't.
>
> Without choice...
> Apple will automatically choose their most expensive solution for you.
>

Phones from 2019 to current: 1389

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1>

With FM radio: 832

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1>

That's not close to "almost all".

RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> asked
> I guess I'm not as attentive. What should I be noticing?
> https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo

Snit showed graphical wifi signal strength output over time for all
available access points (which is what every apple cultist said it was).
https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo

So nospam was right after all.
And Lewis, just like he always thought he was.
And Jolly Roger too!

Hell, even Frank Slootweg was right for once!
Save for one teeny tiny miniscule bit of technical detail that is... :)

On 2021-09-02 3:25 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> the only difference was the connector changed, something that doesn't
>> matter to anyone except trolls.
>
> We need to chastise all the Android OEMs for making 99.5% of all Android
> phones with that cowardly headphone jack. <https://youtu.be/oJZuSVl5wjM>
>
> "Designed for well connected 1/8th inch 3 pole TRS and 4 pole TRRS
> connections. A glorious achievement. That draws from our past as it propels
> you into the future. (whisper... "it's a headphone jack") Yes. It's a
> headphone jack. With the Google Pixel 5a with 5G, the circle has finally
> come full circle... <wait for it>... Al-u-min-i-um!"
>
Phones from 2019 to current (and still available):

1389

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1>

With 3.5mm headphone jack:

1072

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1>

So only about 75% have it.

Look at only the top half of the market:

All phones from 400 Euros to maximum:

297

With headphone jack:

107

Only about a third.

In article <sgrie3$17kn$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
<Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>
> The Google Pixel 5a with 5G isn't courageous; it's downright cowardly!

the pixel 5a also overheats and throttles down to where it stops
working in as little as a half-hour.

<https://www.androidcentral.com/touchscreen-wonk-and-heat-problems-plagu
e-some-google-pixel-5a-users>
I've been very much enjoying my Google Pixel 5a since it arrived
three weeks ago, but the honeymoon period is over and some issues
are starting to rise: the phone easily overheats when using the
camera for a prolonged time. HotHardware and Android Police both
focused on this happening when shooting 4K video, but on my own Pixel
5a, I didn't even have to bother with video to a get heat-related
warning.
Just taking a bevy of photos and some short 1080p videos on an
80-degree Florida morning (can summer end already?) had it slow
down and eventually stop working in under half an hour, and in many
instances, the phone wasn't uncomfortably hot yet when the warnings
appeared, turning off the flash and later the camera

In article <w2cYI.7545$Dr.3502@fx40.iad>, RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar>
wrote:

> Because it would prevent them from selling a new device, the following
> year, to their faithful users. The strategy seems to be to remove all of
> those features and then restore just one every year. :)

there is no conspiracy to remove features to force future upgrades.

the entire concept doesn't make any sense.

what apple does do is advance technology at a rapid rate, replacing old
technology with much better new technology.

old devices continue to work for as long as there is demand, but at
some point, it's time to move forward and leave the old tech behind.

In article <sgrj27$g9t$1@dont-email.me>, Alan Baker
<notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:

> >>> And yet, almost all Android phones have the FM radio
> >>
> >> no they don't.
> >
> > Without choice...
> > Apple will automatically choose their most expensive solution for you.
> >
>
> Phones from 2019 to current: 1389
>
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1>
>
> With FM radio: 832
>
>
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvail
> abilities=1>
>
> That's not close to "almost all".

next, look at how well they sell, and then look at how many people
actually *use* the fm radio.

also look at how many people chose one phone over another because of an
fm radio.

it's nothing more than a checklist item.

RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> asked
>> The question is why?
>
> Because it would prevent them from selling a new device, the following
> year, to their faithful users. The strategy seems to be to remove all of
> those features and then restore just one every year. :)

Do you realize what's different between the macOS & iOS in Snit's video?
<https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo?t=125>

The answer tells us a _lot_ about the difference between iOS & all the rest.

On 9/2/2021 3:03 PM, RabidHussar wrote:

<snip>

> I notice that Apple believes that they should be the ones making that
> decision for us and that they insist everything should go through their
> Lightning port. It's almost as if they removed the 3.5mm port not
> because they wanted to give their users a better audio quality (their
> excuse) but because they wanted to force people to recognize its use for
> that purpose as well as buy new peripherals compatible with it. Apple
> users will probably go ahead and gladly buy new headphones which uses
> the Lightning port, and then buy another pair the next year when they
> remove the Lightning port for no good reason and replace it with a
> completely-incompatible but "so much better" new format.

I've never seen any evidence that moving the D/A and A/D from the phone
into the headphones affects the audio quality one way or another. In the
end it's all analog.

Not having the annoyance of a wire is nice, but OTOH wireless headphones
are one more thing to keep charged, and are easily lost. If you look on
Nextdoor in your area, invariably there are posts about lost AirPods or
found AirPods. And then there is what's happening in NYC:
<https://www.macrumors.com/2019/09/03/lost-airpods-nyc-subway-train-tracks/>.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> next, look at how well they sell, and then look at how many people
> actually *use* the fm radio.

Funny how nospam picks "how well they sell" when his typical argument is to
pick the extremely few Android phones that don't sell well at all to compare
to the iPhone (e.g., burning samsungs and/or google/samsungs crippled).

For example, 99.5% of all Android phones have the industry standard
headphone jack, so nospam chooses the miniscule 0.5% that don't to compare
to his crippled iPhone.

> also look at how many people chose one phone over another because of an
> fm radio.
>
> it's nothing more than a checklist item.

What about graphical wifi debugging on iOS verses on all other platforms?

Have you figured out what's different yet, after all these years, nospam?
https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo?t=125 (hilarious Snit video on the topic)

In article <news:sgrjr8$1n38$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
<Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
> What about graphical wifi debugging on iOS verses on all other platforms?
>
> Have you figured out what's different yet, after all these years, nospam?
> https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo?t=125 (hilarious Snit video on the topic)

I don't see what's different in the Snit video https://youtu.be/7QaABa6DFIo
They all look the same to me.
They have a graph.
It moves to the right.
What more is needed on iOS than a graph that moves to the right?

On 2021-09-02 3:39 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> next, look at how well they sell, and then look at how many people
>> actually *use* the fm radio.
>
> Funny how nospam picks "how well they sell" when his typical argument is to
> pick the extremely few Android phones that don't sell well at all to compare
> to the iPhone (e.g., burning samsungs and/or google/samsungs crippled).
>
> For example, 99.5% of all Android phones have the industry standard
> headphone jack, so nospam chooses the miniscule 0.5% that don't to compare
> to his crippled iPhone.

Sorry, but that only applies if you look at Android phones from the
beginning of time.

The figures for Android phones actually available are

1,684 out of 2,014 total...

or about 84%

In article <sgrjqv$t26$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I've never seen any evidence that moving the D/A and A/D from the phone
> into the headphones affects the audio quality one way or another. In the
> end it's all analog.

it depends on the d/a and the quality of the headphones.

for cheap headphones, it's probably the same chip in both, so no
difference, although the connection at the phone is more reliable.

for higher end headphones, it's not the same d/a.

there are also those who use external d/a converters, thinking they can
hear a difference (they can't).

this one is available in both lightning and usb-c:
<https://hifigo.com/products/audirect-atom2-mqa-hifi-portable-usb-dac-am
plifier?variant=39891705954478>

<https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61z1t4E9YfS._AC_SL1500_.jpg>

> Not having the annoyance of a wire is nice,

very much so.

> but OTOH wireless headphones
> are one more thing to keep charged,

keeping wireless headphones charged is not an issue since they last for
days or even weeks on a single charge in typical use.

larger over-the-ear wireless headphones last much longer because
there's room for a larger battery.

> and are easily lost.

not really.

it does happen on occasion, but it's not that common.

people also lose wired headphones too.

people lose all sorts of stuff, like wallets, cameras, car keys and
more.

that's why apple and tile released tracker tags, for those who keep
losing stuff.

> If you look on
> Nextdoor in your area, invariably there are posts about lost AirPods or
> found AirPods.

a couple of posts for lost airpods out of hundreds of millions of
airpods sold is completely meaningless.

In article <sgrjr8$1n38$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
<Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>
> What about graphical wifi debugging on iOS verses on all other platforms?

what about it?

if you want app functionality (using your words) that doesn't exist, or
more commonly, that *does* exist and you can't figure out how to use,
regardless of platform, consider it an opportunity to write such an app
and profit from it.

not that you have any such skills to do so, but that's a separate issue.

On 2021-09-02 6:26 p.m., Alan Baker wrote:
> On 2021-09-02 3:19 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
>> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>>>> And yet, almost all Android phones have the FM radio
>>>
>>> no they don't.
>>
>> Without choice...
>> Apple will automatically choose their most expensive solution for you.
>>
>
> Phones from 2019 to current: 1389
>
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1>
>
> With FM radio: 832
>
> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1>
>
>
> That's not close to "almost all".

I think I've only owned one Android phone which didn't have FM on it. I
imagine that the cheaper devices omit the functionality for whatever
reason which shouldn't cost a manufacturer more than a few cents to
implement.

--
@RabidHussar

On 2021-09-02 6:39 p.m., sms wrote:
> On 9/2/2021 3:03 PM, RabidHussar wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I notice that Apple believes that they should be the ones making that
>> decision for us and that they insist everything should go through
>> their Lightning port. It's almost as if they removed the 3.5mm port
>> not because they wanted to give their users a better audio quality
>> (their excuse) but because they wanted to force people to recognize
>> its use for that purpose as well as buy new peripherals compatible
>> with it. Apple users will probably go ahead and gladly buy new
>> headphones which uses the Lightning port, and then buy another pair
>> the next year when they remove the Lightning port for no good reason
>> and replace it with a completely-incompatible but "so much better" new
>> format.
>
> I've never seen any evidence that moving the D/A and A/D from the phone
> into the headphones affects the audio quality one way or another. In the
> end it's all analog.

That's quite possible. Apple's excuse gave me the impression that they
were going to sell music where the recording and everything between was
completely digital. If it isn't, then I have to admit that there is no
point and my excellent Bose headphones will still be a quality set ten
years from now.

> Not having the annoyance of a wire is nice, but OTOH wireless headphones
> are one more thing to keep charged, and are easily lost. If you look on
> Nextdoor in your area, invariably there are posts about lost AirPods or
> found AirPods. And then there is what's happening in NYC:
> <https://www.macrumors.com/2019/09/03/lost-airpods-nyc-subway-train-tracks/>.

I'm not a fan of Bluetooth speakers since the first unit I bought died
on one side and the second has a charging issue on one of the pods (the
bud never sits right and thus doesn't make the connection necessary to
charge). They're convenient when they work, especially if you work out,
but in every other situation the wired kind of best.

--
@RabidHussar

In article <RRcYI.12501$tA2.5848@fx02.iad>, RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar>
wrote:

> Apple's excuse gave me the impression that they
> were going to sell music where the recording and everything between was
> completely digital.

a fully digital path has been the case since shortly after cds came
out, more than 30 years ago. that's what the ddd means.

not long after that, people had hi-resolution encodings (96khz &
192khz, 24 & 32 bit), with various justifications for doing so (none
credible).

nevertheless, the only way to benefit from hi-res audio on a phone is
an external d/a, *not* an analog headphone jack.

another feature that's not possible with an analog headphone jack is
spatial audio.

> I'm not a fan of Bluetooth speakers since the first unit I bought died
> on one side and the second has a charging issue on one of the pods (the
> bud never sits right and thus doesn't make the connection necessary to
> charge). They're convenient when they work, especially if you work out,
> but in every other situation the wired kind of best.

you might want to try recent bluetooth headphones, some of which are as
good or better than many wired headphones.

apple's airpods streams digital music directly to the airpods, where
it's decoded, which along with accelerometers, allows for spatial
audio.

original bluetooth implementations would decode mp3/aac locally on the
device, then re-encode it for bluetooth. not good.

airpods don't fall out very easily, as can be seen in numerous videos
of people jumping, dancing, head-shaking.

it's the wire that invariably gets caught on something and pulls out
the earbud.

airpods pro have fitted tips to fit snugly in the ear so that the noise
cancellation can work and definitely don't fall out, although not
everyone finds that to be comfortable. it does vent, so that part isn't
an issue.

other wireless earbuds are similar (galaxy buds, pixel buds, etc.)

On 9/2/2021 4:10 PM, RabidHussar wrote:

<snip>

> I'm not a fan of Bluetooth speakers since the first unit I bought died
> on one side and the second has a charging issue on one of the pods (the
> bud never sits right and thus doesn't make the connection necessary to
> charge). They're convenient when they work, especially if you work out,
> but in every other situation the wired kind of best.

An audiophile would not use Bluetooth headphones or speakers because
technically there can be some degradation. But thw degradation assumes
that you've stored your music files in a lossless format like FLAC or
ALAC. If you've stored your music in a lossy format like MP3, AAC, or
WAV, the quality ship sailed long before the music is sent over Bluetooth.

Plugging a wire into the USB or Lightning port and then using a dongle
that converted the sound from digital to analog would be preferable to
Bluetooth if you're playing music stored in a lossless format. Even
then, it would be difficult for a non-audiophile to realize the
difference unless perhaps they were comparing the same music in MP3
versus ALAC or FLAC, using the same equipment.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> The Google Pixel 5a with 5G isn't courageous; it's downright cowardly!
>
> the pixel 5a also overheats and throttles down to where it stops
> working in as little as a half-hour.

You always blame everyone you can for Apple's lack of a headphone jack.

I've noticed your sleazy tactics are similar to Apple's sleazy tactics.
Blame _secret_ throttling (& backdated release notes) on battery chemistry.

What's _different_ is the iOS customer is not like Windows/Android people.
The iOS customer is like you: _Desperate_ to be told "good things" by Apple.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> Not having the annoyance of a wire is nice,
>
> very much so.

Not having the choice is an annoyance.
Only Apple cheaped out on almost everything that's standard on most phones.

Why?
I don't know why.

I suspect Apple's plan is to slowly remove functionality bit by bit.
And then _charge_ the customer to get back that functionality - one by one.

Apple doesn't earn all those ungodly greedy profits by being stupid.
It's the gullible _customer_ who is stupid; not Apple.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> there is no conspiracy to remove features to force future upgrades.

Apple paid over a billion dollars last year alone for its many lies.
*Apple admitted their _sole_ purpose was to _reduce_ iPhone useful life.*

*Nobody lies like Apple lies* - but at least the Paris prosecutor forced the
truth out of Apple, which, given Apple's lawyers are the best in the world,
meant Apple was as guilty as guilty can be (particularly with backdating the
release notes secretly, hoping nobody would notice).

And yet, *Apple admitted the crime on their French web site for a month.
Apple paid the _criminal_ fine to the prosecutors for that criminal offense.
--
Note: It's impossible to pay the fine without admitting to the crime
(even no contest is an admission of guilt but Apple didn't plead that).

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> the amount of functionality on ios that is not on android is
> substantial.

Name it nospam.
I'll test it out (remember, I have iOS devices also).

Tell us all nospam, of a _single_ app functionality that is useful (not your
twitter menu bullshit) that someone like I who does a lot of useful things
would want to use, that is on iOS and yet impossible on Android.

*Name just one.*