On 2021-09-01 11:26 a.m., sms wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 8:14 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> However, not everyone uses Bluetooth headphones or internal speakers
>> to listen to their music. For people who still like their things
>> old-school, the FM radio functionality is fairly neat. Apple users
>> have no use for it but I am among those who'd rather plug an analog
>> set of earphones and listen to the local broadcast without using data.
>
> I did see one phone recently that advertised that they had an FM radio
> but did not require headphones for an antenna. It was from that famous
> company Umidigi <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfhOpGbq1VQ>. I had
> never even heard of this company until last month, when a right-wing
> individual was reselling a $120 Umidigi phone for nearly $500, labeling
> it a "Freedom Phone"
> <https://www.xda-developers.com/freedom-phone-overpriced-smartphone/>
> and pre-installing some fake news apps that were banned by Google (and
> Apple).

Yeah, I heard about this Freedom Phone. It seemed like a decent offering
until someone pointed out how awful the hardware was. The fact that it
bundled some of the sites the corporations censored for thought crimes
was also nice but any person with even a shred of intelligence would
have been able to install them him or herself.

> When data was really expensive the FM radio feature was a lot more
> useful than it is now, though occasionally it's still a nice feature to
> have. Of course if you're in your car you already have an FM radio.
>
> I think that very few people still use a radio for music, it's more for
> news and sports.
>
> In case of emergency, an OTA battery powered radio is essential, and
> should be part of any emergency kit.

Absolutely. Of course, in an emergency situation, there is no guarantee
that anything coming through the radio airwaves would be of any use either.

--
@RabidHussar

On 8/31/2021 6:54 PM, Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar> asked
>> Remove the headphone jack and you're also removing the
>> analog connector which doesn't provide the sound quality enthusiasts
>> desire.
>
> It's a handheld device.
> You want sound quality, you're not going to get it in a tinny tiny speaker.
>
>>> Never having an sd card slot? That's innovation?
>>> No FM radio? That's innovation?
>>
>> I didn't know about the FM radio omission
>
> We use FM radio a lot in the mountains, but only on Android phones.
> It's yet another functionality that is _impossible_ on iPhones.
>
> Anyone who doesn't realized the iPhone is a cripple only plays games.

I don't play computer or phone games at all. I've never used an iPhone
so I'm in no position to compare it to Android phones. Nevertheless, I
have a hard time believing that an iPhone is a cripple. I have many
friends and relatives who use them, and I've never seen anything I can
do on my Android phone that they can't do on theirs. I've also seen an
occasional thing they can do on theirs that I can't do on mine (don't
ask me what they were; I don't remember).

I'm happy with my android phone, and have no intention of ever switching
to an iPhone and learning something new, but that doesn't mean I think
an iPhone is a cripple.

--
Ken

On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:53:07 -0400, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid>
wrote:

>private apis changed. that's all.

But this does not answer the question, why Apple did not make such an
API public but instead decided to kill an app category useful for
power users.

In article <ip9lk9Fj7dqU1@mid.individual.net>, Ken Blake
<ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:

> I don't play computer or phone games at all. I've never used an iPhone
> so I'm in no position to compare it to Android phones. Nevertheless, I
> have a hard time believing that an iPhone is a cripple. I have many
> friends and relatives who use them, and I've never seen anything I can
> do on my Android phone that they can't do on theirs. I've also seen an
> occasional thing they can do on theirs that I can't do on mine (don't
> ask me what they were; I don't remember).

exactly correct.

some tasks are better suited to iphones and other tasks are better
suited to android. there are even some tasks that can only be done on
one and not the other.

no device can do everything. anyone who makes that claim is lying.

pick whatever fits your needs. some people have multiple devices.

> I'm happy with my android phone, and have no intention of ever switching
> to an iPhone and learning something new, but that doesn't mean I think
> an iPhone is a cripple.

it isn't in any way crippled. those who make such claims have no idea
what can actually be done and do not wish find out.

there's also very little to learn.

On 9/1/2021 8:47 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

<snip>

> I don't play computer or phone games at all. I've never used an iPhone
> so I'm in no position to compare it to Android phones. Nevertheless, I
> have a hard time believing that an iPhone is a cripple. I have many
> friends and relatives who use them, and I've never seen anything I can
> do on my Android phone that they can't do on theirs. I've also seen an
> occasional thing they can do on theirs that I can't do on mine (don't
> ask me what they were; I don't remember).

<snip>

The reality is that both iOS and Android each have certain features and
capabilities that are not available on the other platform.

I have been compiling a list of those differences for quite a while, and
earlier this year I put the list into a shared Google Doc that I update
as I become aware of additional differences.

Since both my wife and I each have both Android and iOS devices, I've
become even more aware of some of the differences.

At this time I have "26 iOS Features Some of Which [many] Android Users
Wish they Had" and "112 Android Features Some of Which [many] iOS Users
Wish they Had."

_26 iOS Features that Many Android Users Want that Only iPhone Users Get_
1. Integrated ecosystem
2. Apple Watch
3. Longer OS Updates
4. Battery replacement
5. Walled Garden prevents malware
6. Facetime¹
7. iMessage
8. Microphone and camera indicator¹
9. No bloatware
10. Easier backup and restore
11. Privacy
12. Support and help from Apple Stores
13. Ease of Use
14. Faster processors in non-flagship models¹
15. AirDrop
16. Family Sharing
17. Apple News
18. Accessory Selection
19. eSIM¹
20. Friend Bar, 24 Hour Friend Line, and Personal iStore (satire)
21. iPhones have greater resale value
22. Face Recognition
23. Compatibility with Visible by Verizon
24. Integrated reminder app with location based reminders
25. Apple Credit Card with 3% discount and 0% financing on purchases
direct from Apple
26. Native hearing aid support

1. Expected on future Android phones or future version of Android OS

_112 Android Features that Many iPhone Users Want that Only (some)
Android Users Get_
Note:Some of these features are available on Jailbroken iPhones and are
noted in the list
1. MST and Samsung Pay
2. Active styli²
3. Headphone jacks
4. MicroSD Card Slots
5. Apps (or “There’s an App for That”)
6. App stores
7. 3D Fingerprint sensors² [predicted for iPhone 14]
8. Reverse wireless charging² (now partially enabled on iPhone 12)
9. USB-C
10. USB 3.0 Speed²
11. Separate audio volume controls for different functions (Available on
Jailbroken iPhones)
12. Better Security²
13. Split screen²
14. Content transfer to a PC (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
15. Choice of app launchers (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
16. FM radio
17. Better cameras²
18. Better displays² [confirmed for iPhone 13]
19. Better hardware² [confirmed for iPhone 13]
20. Ability to set a default music app (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
21. Faster charging² [confirmed for iPhone 13]
22. Foldables²
23. LTPO (Low-Temperature Polycrystalline Oxide) displays² [confirmed
for iPhone 13]
24. Faster data speeds on both 4G and 5G² [confirmed for iPhone 13]
25. ANT+
26. Contact groups (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
27. GPS location spoofing (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
28, Better ad blocking (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
29. USB OTG
30. iTunes not required for wired hotspot
31. No false warnings when using after-market chargers
32. Hole Punch cameras instead of a large notch2 [predicted for iPhone 14]
33. Removable Batteries
34. Parental Control Apps²
35. Wide Selection of Devices
36. Better Biometric Authentication²
37. File System (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
38. Rooting is Easy, when Necessary
39. SMS Forwarding (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
40. Browser Extensions²
41. eBook Readers
42. NMEA Data
43. Bluetooth Serial Port Profile (SPP)
44. Always on Display² [confirmed for iPhone 13, some models]
45. Multiple Users²
46. Ability to close all open apps at once (Available on Jailbroken
iPhones)
47. Ability to set default apps
48. Customization
49. File exchange via Bluetooth
50. Getting to settings
51. Create icons that give direct access to specific websites,
documents, or photos
52. Clipboard History
53. Android Earthquake Alert System
54. Android Auto is Better than Apple CarPlay
55. Android ELS (Emergency Locator Service)
56. Superior Computational Photography2
57. Battery Percentage Indicator
58. Multitasking
59. Installing old versions of Apps
60. App development infrastructure and cost
61. USB-C PD and Wired Charging Wattage
62. Choice of file managers
63. Less censoring of content
64. Phone cost
65. Cloud integration and Storage Pricing
66. Dual Physical SIM slots
67. Professional-level phones
68. Language support (Internationalization)
69. High-refresh rate phones²
70. Higher screen to body ratio²
71. Built-in IR Blaster (Consumer Infrared)
72. Place icons anywhere on the screen
73. Sideloading of Apps
74. Innovation comes to Android first
75. Faster mobile wallet payments
76. No throttling
77. Android emulation on Windows
78. Custom ROMs
79. Home screen rotation (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)
80. Backup and restore apps using APK (Android Package Kit) (Available
on Jailbroken iPhones)
81. On Android Netflix now lets you start watching unfinished downloads²
82. Digital COVID-19 vaccination cards
83. Front LED flashes for front camera
84. Front camera with optical image stabilization
85. Better battery life
86. Signal information
87. Better Field test mode
88. Home Screen Shortcuts
89. Repairability by third-party repair shops
90. Alternate Android-based operating systems
91. Google Play Protect
92. Better thermal design
93. Custom keyboards
94. 5G available even on non-flagship phones
95. Market share
96. Phones with secondary rear displays
97. Phones with very large displays
98. New features come to Android first
99. Rugged phones
100. RCS (Rich Communication Services) support
101. No on-device scanning of photos
102. Better cellular radios and antennas
103. Screen mirroring to TVs that don’t have Apple TV
104. Android is used in more than just phones and tablets.
105. Easier migration to new devices using a wired connection
106. Ability to delete photo folders along with their contents
107. Ability to Connect Android Device as a Storage Device with a Drive
Letter
108. Wi-Fi Analyzer to Optimize Your Home’s Wi-Fi
109. Better devices for gamers²
110. Wider temperature range for operation
111. Digital Car Key Support
112. Secure browsers

2. Expected on a future iPhone or future version of iOS

Of course for each of the differences, only a subset of users care about
each one, but sometimes there are a substantial number of people asking
on forums about how to accomplish something that they used to be able to
easily do on the other platform.

The full document, with detailed descriptions of each item, including
cites and links, is available at
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE>.
While I have double or triple checked every entry for accuracy, if any
errors have crept in I'm happy to correct them.

On 2021-09-01, Alan Baker <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
> On 2021-09-01 8:44 a.m., Michael Logies wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 13:54:00 -0700, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 8/31/2021 12:03 PM, Michael Logies wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:01:06 -0400, Alan Baker
>>>> <notonyourlife@no.no.no.no> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Years ago the situation was different, such apps were available.
>>>>>> But Apple killed them in its store, claiming, they would use an
>>>>>> undocumented API.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cite, please!
>>>>
>>> Good find. But what is still unclear is why Apple just didn't
>>> document and publish the necessary APIs.
>>
>> Apple did the opposite: When the apps had been removed from the app
>> store, they still worked for a while, perhaps a year or so. Then
>> Apple changed the private API with an iOS update, making the apps
>> useless.
>>
>> I don`t know why Apple did this. Perhaps Apple wanted to avoid the
>> impression, that iOS-devices could be used as a hacking tool. Or
>> Apple has tried to disguise the strength or weakness of the WLAN
>> building blocks of its iOS devices, because these apps can also be
>> used to compare the WLAN sensitivity of different smartphones.
>
> Did it ever occur to you that private APIs are private so that Apple
> can change them?

That's precisely why they are private - so Apple can make changes to the
SDK and system without having to worry about breaking third-party apps.
But since that doesn't align with the simplistic and brain-dead "APPLE:
BAD" trope, these idiots will ignore it or claim that's not the case -
despite the fact that all software makers do the same thing, as any of
us who have worked professionally in the field know as a FACT. "No!",
these idiots exclaim, "it's a ruse by Apple to hurt consumers, you
see?! APPLE: BAD!!"

--
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I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

In article <sgo970$ue4$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> The reality is that both iOS and Android each have certain features and
> capabilities that are not available on the other platform.

that is correct.

you should have stopped there.

> I have been compiling a list of those differences for quite a while, and
> earlier this year I put the list into a shared Google Doc that I update
> as I become aware of additional differences.

your list is overflowing with wildly incorrect information.

> Since both my wife and I each have both Android and iOS devices, I've
> become even more aware of some of the differences.

your posts show a significant lack of knowledge about ios, and your
list of 'features' even more so.

> At this time I have "26 iOS Features Some of Which [many] Android Users
> Wish they Had" and "112 Android Features Some of Which [many] iOS Users
> Wish they Had."

most of what you claim for android can easily be done on ios, thereby
invalidating many of those 112.

your knowledge of ios is deeply flawed.

you fail to mention more than 70 features that ios has that android
does not.

nevertheless, sine you posted an updated list (skipping the stuff i've
seen before):

> 72. Place icons anywhere on the screen

valid, but minor.

> 73. Sideloading of Apps

ios can easily do that in a variety of ways.

> 74. Innovation comes to Android first

very much false, and a duplicate of 98.

> 75. Faster mobile wallet payments

false. your explanation of how to use apple pay, where the phone must
be unlocked and an app launched, indicates that you have not used it.

apple pay does *not* require unlocking the phone and is faster than
android pay. this is particularly true for apple watch users.

> 76. No throttling

false. all phones throttle.

> 77. Android emulation on Windows

does not exist yet.

that feature isn't shipping with windows 11. it will at some unknown
point in the future, but it's not any time soon.

meanwhile, ios apps run natively on mac, no emulation whatsoever.

> 78. Custom ROMs

valid.

> 79. Home screen rotation (Available on Jailbroken iPhones)

false. that has been available on iphones with large displays for
years. it doesn't make sense on small displays.

> 80. Backup and restore apps using APK (Android Package Kit) (Available
> on Jailbroken iPhones)

available on non-jailbroken iphones too.

> 81. On Android Netflix now lets you start watching unfinished downloads2

that's a netflix issue, which they say is coming to ios.

> 82. Digital COVID-19 vaccination cards

ios has had that long before android did, from a few weeks after
vaccinations began.

> 83. Front LED flashes for front camera

no need. selfies rarely need a flash, plus the display can be used for
that purpose.

> 84. Front camera with optical image stabilization

iphones have stabilized selfie cameras.

> 85. Better battery life

nope. in general, iphones have better battery life.

> 86. Signal information
> 87. Better Field test mode

nope.

> 88. Home Screen Shortcuts

ios has that and it's vastly more powerful than android.

> 89. Repairability by third-party repair shops

false. plenty of third-party repair shops repair iphones, ipads and
macs for that matter.

> 90. Alternate Android-based operating systems

valid.

> 91. Google Play Protect

ios has an equivalent, and had it before android did.

> 92. Better thermal design

nope. iphones don't have heat issues nor do they need fans or liquid
cooling systems, as do some android phones.

> 93. Custom keyboards

that has been on ios for *years*.

> 94. 5G available even on non-flagship phones

false.

> 95. Market share

irrelevant and not a feature anyway.

> 96. Phones with secondary rear displays

only useful if it folds, which is a solution in search of a problem, at
least for phones.

a tablet that folds might be useful.

> 97. Phones with very large displays

false.

> 98. New features come to Android first

very much false and a duplicate of 74.

> 99. Rugged phones

false. iphones have a new glass formulation that is more resistant to
cracks and shattering.

> 100. RCS (Rich Communication Services) support

valid, but still has very limited support.

> 101. No on-device scanning of photos

that doesn't make any sense.

> 102. Better cellular radios and antennas

false.

> 103. Screen mirroring to TVs that don¹t have Apple TV

ios can easily do that, including to google chromecast.

> 104. Android is used in more than just phones and tablets.

so is ios.

forks of ios are currently used in the apple watch, apple tv, homepod,
homepod mini and macs.

> 105. Easier migration to new devices using a wired connection

very much false.

ios can migrate either wired or wirelessly, and did so long before
android.

> 106. Ability to delete photo folders along with their contents

false. that's very easy to do, plus you even admitted that the phone
does it automatically.

> 107. Ability to Connect Android Device as a Storage Device with a Drive
> Letter

that can be done, and is actually windows functionality, not android or
ios.

> 108. Wi-Fi Analyzer to Optimize Your Home¹s Wi-Fi

ios can do that, although it's not needed since modern wifi routers do
it automatically, much better than any human could ever possibly do
(unless they're an rf engineer, in which case they have vastly more
powerful tools).

> 109. Better devices for gamers2

not really. iphones are the most popular gaming platform.

there are a couple of gaming android phones, but they're very expensive
and not for general purpose use because they're big, have a fan and
have very poor battery life.

> 110. Wider temperature range for operation

false. both have the same temp range.

you are confusing storage temps with operating temps.

> 111. Digital Car Key Support

iphones had that first.

> 112. Secure browsers

ios has that too.

> While I have double or triple checked every entry for accuracy,

no you haven't.

if you did, there would not be duplicate items, nor would there be so
many errors.

> if any
> errors have crept in I'm happy to correct them.

also false. several people have pointed out the errors and explained
why they're wrong and you have not corrected anything.

it's nothing more than bullshit.

On 9/1/2021 9:19 AM, sms wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 8:47 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I don't play computer or phone games at all. I've never used an iPhone
>> so I'm in no position to compare it to Android phones. Nevertheless, I
>> have a hard time believing that an iPhone is a cripple. I have many
>> friends and relatives who use them, and I've never seen anything I can
>> do on my Android phone that they can't do on theirs. I've also seen an
>> occasional thing they can do on theirs that I can't do on mine (don't
>> ask me what they were; I don't remember).
>
> <snip>
>
> The reality is that both iOS and Android each have certain features and
> capabilities that are not available on the other platform.

Yes, of course. That's much the same as what I said.

> I have been compiling a list of those differences for quite a while, and
> earlier this year I put the list into a shared Google Doc that I update
> as I become aware of additional differences.
>
> Since both my wife and I each have both Android and iOS devices, I've
> become even more aware of some of the differences.

It's hard eneough for me to remember the differences between Windows and
Android. I don't want to add a third interface to the mixture, whether
it's iOS, Linux, Macintosh, or anything else.

--
Ken

On 2021-09-01 12:12 p.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <ip9lk9Fj7dqU1@mid.individual.net>, Ken Blake
> <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't play computer or phone games at all. I've never used an iPhone
>> so I'm in no position to compare it to Android phones. Nevertheless, I
>> have a hard time believing that an iPhone is a cripple. I have many
>> friends and relatives who use them, and I've never seen anything I can
>> do on my Android phone that they can't do on theirs. I've also seen an
>> occasional thing they can do on theirs that I can't do on mine (don't
>> ask me what they were; I don't remember).
>
> exactly correct.
>
> some tasks are better suited to iphones and other tasks are better
> suited to android. there are even some tasks that can only be done on
> one and not the other.
>
> no device can do everything. anyone who makes that claim is lying.
>
> pick whatever fits your needs. some people have multiple devices.

One thing that I can say with certainty is that casting to an AppleTV
device is a lot better than doing the same with a Miracast device.
Apple's is smooth whether you are streaming from an iPhone or a Windows
laptop whereas Miracast is a stuttering mess in most situations... and
that's only if it manages to connect at all.

>> I'm happy with my android phone, and have no intention of ever switching
>> to an iPhone and learning something new, but that doesn't mean I think
>> an iPhone is a cripple.
>
> it isn't in any way crippled. those who make such claims have no idea
> what can actually be done and do not wish find out.
>
> there's also very little to learn.

iOS is indeed very simple and I think that most people swear by Apple's
hardware and system simply because it works as expected. Since Android
tries to be everything to everyone, it always ends up being either
unintuitive or to feel disjointed. Of course, that's just my impression.

--
@RabidHussar

On 9/1/2021 10:23 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 9:19 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 9/1/2021 8:47 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> I don't play computer or phone games at all. I've never used an
>>> iPhone so I'm in no position to compare it to Android phones.
>>> Nevertheless, I have a hard time believing that an iPhone is a
>>> cripple. I have many friends and relatives who use them, and I've
>>> never seen anything I can do on my Android phone that they can't do
>>> on theirs. I've also seen an occasional thing they can do on theirs
>>> that I can't do on mine (don't ask me what they were; I don't remember).
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> The reality is that both iOS and Android each have certain features and
>> capabilities that are not available on the other platform.
>
>
> Yes, of course. That's much the same as what I said.
>
>
>> I have been compiling a list of those differences for quite a while, and
>> earlier this year I put the list into a shared Google Doc that I update
>> as I become aware of additional differences.
>>
>> Since both my wife and I each have both Android and iOS devices, I've
>> become even more aware of some of the differences.
>
>
> It's hard eneough for me to remember the differences between Windows and
> Android. I don't want to add a third interface to the mixture, whether
> it's iOS, Linux, Macintosh, or anything else.

Sure you do.

I use Android, iOS, Linux, and Windows, but not MacOS. I don't boot
Linux often, but occasionally there are things that I can't do on
Windows that are possible on Linux. For some reason, in 2009, HP or
Microsoft decided that a not-very-old flatbed scanner should not be
supported by Windows 7, but Linux continues to support it about 12 years
after Windows dropped support for it.

Honestly, I could do without the iPhone in most cases. I got my 6s Plus
when I used to go over to the Apple campus a lot and it would have been
bad form to show up with an Android device (plus they told me that I
could only buy lunch with ApplePay). I got the Xr because I wanted a
phone with an eSIM for foreign travel because several MVNOs sell
inexpensive eSIM-only data plans.

One thing that I really like about Android is that casting to a TV is a
lot easier. With Miracast or SmartView you can connect and cast to even
older TVs that don't have built-in AppleTV support, and the streaming is
very smooth. I was at my son's apartment last week helping him out by
waiting for a contractor and he has no TV service, only broadband. I
tried to connect my iPhone to his TV, no dice, but my Samsung phone
worked flawlessly. He and his girlfriend are both Apple users (iPhone,
iPad, watch, Mac) so I was surprised that they'd be using a TV that
didn't support iPhone, and not have an AppleTV box.

In article <sgoieg$1k9$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> I use Android, iOS, Linux, and Windows, but not MacOS. I don't boot
> Linux often, but occasionally there are things that I can't do on
> Windows that are possible on Linux. For some reason, in 2009, HP or
> Microsoft decided that a not-very-old flatbed scanner should not be
> supported by Windows 7, but Linux continues to support it about 12 years
> after Windows dropped support for it.

that mystery unnamed scanner is almost certainly still supported on
both macos and windows using third party software.

since you declined to name it, it's impossible to find out the actual
facts, which likely contradicts your claims, as it has in the past.

>
> One thing that I really like about Android is that casting to a TV is a
> lot easier.

no it isn't. that's not even close to correct.

> With Miracast or SmartView you can connect and cast to even
> older TVs that don't have built-in AppleTV support, and the streaming is
> very smooth.

iphones can do that. you just need to install an app. no big deal.

another option is use an hdmi cable.

> I was at my son's apartment last week helping him out by
> waiting for a contractor and he has no TV service, only broadband. I
> tried to connect my iPhone to his TV, no dice, but my Samsung phone
> worked flawlessly.

user error.

In message <010920210425207518%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <sgn4n4$1ed4$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Robin Goodfellow
> <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>>
>> On Android, you don't need _any_ account to the mother ship,

> that makes no difference whatsoever. in fact, it makes it easier to
> track you since you're the oddball who doesn't have a google account.

I just set up a phone yesterday with no Apple ID. It is by no means
required.

>> and you can
>> _still_ easily install the _same_ apps as those who have set up an account.

> except that most of those apps have analytics, usually google.

Or often Farcebook. Most often BOTH.

> you're leaving a trail which can *easily* be followed.

But FREEDUMB!

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some super villain was following me. Hope it's not Dick Cheney.

In message <010920211301087680%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <sgo970$ue4$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>> 77. Android emulation on Windows

> does not exist yet.

> that feature isn't shipping with windows 11. it will at some unknown
> point in the future, but it's not any time soon.

> meanwhile, ios apps run natively on mac, no emulation whatsoever.

Yep. I have several iOS apps running on my computer. Right now I am
using Overcast, for example. Sometimes I even play an iOS game.

>> 85. Better battery life

> nope. in general, iphones have better battery life.

Utter bullshit, in fact. Android phones have larger CAPACITY but much
shorter battery life.

>> 101. No on-device scanning of photos

> that doesn't make any sense.

Very little sms says makes sense.

>> While I have double or triple checked every entry for accuracy,

ASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA. If you didn't believe that it would be
hilarious, as it is it proves you are delusional and should seek
medication.

> no you haven't.

Not even a little.

--
'You've got the loudest silences I ever did hear from anyone who
wasn't dead!' --Lords and Ladies

On 9/1/2021 11:57 AM, sms wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 10:23 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 9/1/2021 9:19 AM, sms wrote:
>>> On 9/1/2021 8:47 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> I don't play computer or phone games at all. I've never used an
>>>> iPhone so I'm in no position to compare it to Android phones.
>>>> Nevertheless, I have a hard time believing that an iPhone is a
>>>> cripple. I have many friends and relatives who use them, and I've
>>>> never seen anything I can do on my Android phone that they can't do
>>>> on theirs. I've also seen an occasional thing they can do on theirs
>>>> that I can't do on mine (don't ask me what they were; I don't remember).
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> The reality is that both iOS and Android each have certain features and
>>> capabilities that are not available on the other platform.
>>
>>
>> Yes, of course. That's much the same as what I said.
>>
>>
>>> I have been compiling a list of those differences for quite a while, and
>>> earlier this year I put the list into a shared Google Doc that I update
>>> as I become aware of additional differences.
>>>
>>> Since both my wife and I each have both Android and iOS devices, I've
>>> become even more aware of some of the differences.
>>
>>
>> It's hard eneough for me to remember the differences between Windows and
>> Android. I don't want to add a third interface to the mixture, whether
>> it's iOS, Linux, Macintosh, or anything else.
>
> Sure you do.

Thanks for setting me straight. I hadn't realized that you knew more
about what I wanted to do than I did.

--
Ken

On 9/1/2021 8:47 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

<snip>

> I'm happy with my android phone, and have no intention of ever switching
> to an iPhone and learning something new, but that doesn't mean I think
> an iPhone is a cripple.

"Robin" tends to exaggerate. "Crippled" is not a good description.

However it's fair to say that many tasks that can be accomplished on
Android cannot be accomplished on iOS, and may useful apps are available
and possible only on Android because of iOS restrictions on what is
available to developers. For example, iOS won't allow developers to
access the Wi-Fi signal data which is why a graphical Wi-Fi debugger is
not available. iOS won't allow developers to access NMEA data so any app
that requires that GPS data is not available. A bunch of hardware
features are only on some Android phones. It is a totally different
philosophy, open system, with all the pros and cons, versus closed
system with all the pros and cons.

In article <sgoq30$oot$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> However it's fair to say that many tasks that can be accomplished on
> Android cannot be accomplished on iOS, and may useful apps are available
> and possible only on Android because of iOS restrictions on what is
> available to developers.

no, it's not fair to say that unless you *also* say that many tasks can
only be done on ios, for a wide variety of reasons.

no device is perfect.

your continual attempt to baselessly bash apple is nothing more than
trolling.

> For example, iOS won't allow developers to
> access the Wi-Fi signal data which is why a graphical Wi-Fi debugger is
> not available.

false.

> iOS won't allow developers to access NMEA data so any app
> that requires that GPS data is not available.

that's very minor. anyone who wants to use nmea data won't be using a
phone.

> A bunch of hardware
> features are only on some Android phones.

'a bunch'.

ios was first with bluetooth le, 64 bit processors, retina displays,
xdr displays, uwb, face id, secure enclave, heic/hevc, 3d touch, lidar
scanner, continuity&handoff, airdrop, arkit, object capture and much
more.

> It is a totally different
> philosophy, open system, with all the pros and cons, versus closed
> system with all the pros and cons.

that's demonstrably false.

On 9/1/2021 2:03 PM, Ken Blake wrote:

<snip>

> Thanks for setting me straight. I hadn't realized that you knew more
> about what I wanted to do than I did.

You're welcome. Sorry, but sarcasm doesn't come across well in written form!

On 9/1/2021 2:07 PM, sms wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 8:47 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I'm happy with my android phone, and have no intention of ever switching
>> to an iPhone and learning something new, but that doesn't mean I think
>> an iPhone is a cripple.
>
> "Robin" tends to exaggerate. "Crippled" is not a good description.

Right, but I can only reply to what was said, not what what was meant.

> However it's fair to say that many tasks that can be accomplished on
> Android cannot be accomplished on iOS, and may useful apps are available
> and possible only on Android because of iOS restrictions on what is
> available to developers.

OK.

> For example, iOS won't allow developers to
> access the Wi-Fi signal data which is why a graphical Wi-Fi debugger is
> not available. iOS won't allow developers to access NMEA data so any app
> that requires that GPS data is not available. A bunch of hardware
> features are only on some Android phones. It is a totally different
> philosophy, open system, with all the pros and cons, versus closed
> system with all the pros and cons.

I believe that.

--
Ken

On 9/1/2021 2:27 PM, sms wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 2:03 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Thanks for setting me straight. I hadn't realized that you knew more
>> about what I wanted to do than I did.
>
> You're welcome. Sorry, but sarcasm doesn't come across well in written form!

It came across well enough that you understood what I meant.

--
Ken

In article <ipa9sgFn252U2@mid.individual.net>, Ken Blake
<ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:

> > However it's fair to say that many tasks that can be accomplished on
> > Android cannot be accomplished on iOS, and may useful apps are available
> > and possible only on Android because of iOS restrictions on what is
> > available to developers.
>
>
> OK.

not ok, because that's only half the story.

ios can do a lot of things android cannot.

> > For example, iOS won't allow developers to
> > access the Wi-Fi signal data which is why a graphical Wi-Fi debugger is
> > not available. iOS won't allow developers to access NMEA data so any app
> > that requires that GPS data is not available. A bunch of hardware
> > features are only on some Android phones. It is a totally different
> > philosophy, open system, with all the pros and cons, versus closed
> > system with all the pros and cons.
>
>
> I believe that.

don't, because it's wrong, other than the nmea part.

In article <sgo970$ue4$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> 76. No throttling

<https://www.androidcentral.com/touchscreen-wonk-and-heat-problems-plagu
e-some-google-pixel-5a-users>
Just taking a bevy of photos and some short 1080p videos on an
80-degree Florida morning (can summer end already?) had it slow
down and eventually stop working in under half an hour...

> 92. Better thermal design

...Overheating was also an issue on last year's Pixel 5 ‹ which the
Pixel 5a shares most specs with ‹ so this might just be a design
flaw.

<https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-5a-overheating-2744480/>
Google launched the Pixel 5a just a few weeks back and the
mid-ranger is already creating problems for some of its users.
Multiple reviewers and testers are reporting that the phone has
overheating issues just like the Pixel 5 did when it launched.

On 9/1/2021 2:34 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 2:27 PM, sms wrote:
>> On 9/1/2021 2:03 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Thanks for setting me straight. I hadn't realized that you knew more
>>> about what I wanted to do than I did.
>>
>> You're welcome. Sorry, but sarcasm doesn't come across well in written
>> form!
>
>
> It came across well enough that you understood what I meant.

I was talking about my sarcasm, not yours.

On 9/1/2021 4:49 PM, sms wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 2:34 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 9/1/2021 2:27 PM, sms wrote:
>>> On 9/1/2021 2:03 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Thanks for setting me straight. I hadn't realized that you knew more
>>>> about what I wanted to do than I did.
>>>
>>> You're welcome. Sorry, but sarcasm doesn't come across well in written
>>> form!
>>
>>
>> It came across well enough that you understood what I meant.
>
> I was talking about my sarcasm, not yours.

Ah, sorry to have misunderstood you.

--
Ken

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> On Android, you don't need _any_ account to the mother ship,
>
> that makes no difference whatsoever. in fact, it makes it easier to
> track you since you're the oddball who doesn't have a google account.

You're getting desperate trying to fabricate excuses for the crippled iOS.

The fact you say not having an account "makes no difference whatsoever",
and, in the _same sentence_, you say it "makes it easier" shows that you're
simply _desperate_ to excuse away the fact that iOS is crippled in this way.

You'll make up _anything_ (sans a shred of proof) because iOS is a cripple.

With iOS, in order for the device to function, *you are _forced_ onto an*
*iCloud account by the mother ship* 100% of the time you are using it.

With Android and with Microsoft (at least for Windows 10), you're not.
*That's a _huge_ amount of private data Apple mines* that the others can't.
>> and you can
>> _still_ easily install the _same_ apps as those who have set up an account.
>
> except that most of those apps have analytics, usually google.

You're getting increasingly desperate to excuse that iOS is a crippled OS.
You don't have anywhere near the control over your apps on iOS as we do.

Almost all, if not all, the google modules are disabled on my phone.
Almost all, if not all my added apps, are free, ad free, and gsf free.

Each and every app is checked for trackers with the FOSS app manager.
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/io.github.muntashirakon.AppManager/

> you're leaving a trail which can *easily* be followed.

In your desperation to excuse the fact iOS is a crippled operating system,
you haven't named a _single_ tangible fact that you can back up with cites.

Name _one_ app I'm using (you've seen a million screenshots of my devices)
that you claim is "leaving a trail" that can easily be followed.

Here, I'll refresh your memory by posting the last five screenshots of mine:
https://i.postimg.cc/qvHYTf3L/charging01.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/cL7z1D7N/charging02.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/CKFQRjJn/charging03.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/jSX2j0Mj/charging04.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/sXBgKBsB/charging05.jpg

These are from this recent thread on the Android newsgroup, as proof.
Visible charge indicator & sound for tired old eyes & ears
https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/PPytim49ufc

(I haven't checked yet if iOS is crippled in charge indication utils.)

Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> asked
>> that makes no difference whatsoever. in fact, it makes it easier to
>> track you since you're the oddball who doesn't have a google account.
>
> I just set up a phone yesterday with no Apple ID. It is by no means
> required.

Hey Lewis,

You think we (on Android & Windows) are stupid don't you?
You think we're as dumb as the people you hang out with, don't you?

You think we're as ignorant as the average iPhone owner appears to be?

Fact is, you don't mention whether you were jailbroken or not.
If you weren't, you don't mention removing the ID cripples the device.

You think we don't know that the apps are _removed_ when you remove the ID?
You think we don't know you can't _install_ any apps when you remove the ID?

You can only remove the Apple ID if the device is jailbroken.

We're not talking about rooting or jailbreaking the devices and then
populating them outside the App Store just to make them _not_ be crippled.

>>> and you can
>>> _still_ easily install the _same_ apps as those who have set up an account.
>
>> except that most of those apps have analytics, usually google.
>
> Or often Farcebook. Most often BOTH.

Again, you are _desperate_ to excuse the inherently crippled nature of iOS.
You've seen thousands of my screenshots over the years, so you know my apps.

Here, I'll help you by providing a screenshot of my "maps" folder.
<https://i.postimg.cc/CMmSsgtN/maps01.jpg>
For sure maps should be able to track us, right?

How about a screenshot of my web folder too?
<https://i.postimg.cc/WpM4FM5t/web01.jpg>
You'd think browsers should be able to track us, right?

How about my network folder also?
<https://i.postimg.cc/3NYSPQSd/network01.jpg>
Certainly network apps should be able to track us, right?

How do you do _any_ of that stuff on iOS & also limit the tracking?
>> you're leaving a trail which can *easily* be followed.
>
> But FREEDUMB!

The adults on this newsgroup will notice that when the Apple owners get
increasingly desperate they resort to even more childish ad hominems.

This childishness and belief in imaginary functionality, in and of itself,
may be what's fundamentally different among the five common consumer
operating system owners (Linux, Windows, macOS, Android, & iOS).