Why is it that only iOS is missing graphical wifi debuggers?
FACT: *They don't exist on the Apple app store* - a fact nobody can deny.

Why is it _only_ iOS that is crippled (but not any other operating system)?
I don't know why.

Either it's that iOS owners only play games with iOS, as nospam and Jolly
Roger and Lewis constantly allude to when they say "who needs debuggers?"

Or it's that Apple expressly doesn't allow the use of the functions
necessary to make these tools work (which work on all other operating
systems)...

Or...???

Why?

Which is it?
a. iOS is a toy OS (as nospam constantly claims)
b. Apple won't allow these apps on iOS
c. Or ???

*Why is it _only_ iOS that is crippled* (but no other operating system)?

Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
\__ We have another troll

> Why is it that only iOS is missing <yadda yadda>?
<snipped the remaining proselytizing/flaming spam>

Off-topic to the Android and Win10 newsgroups to which you cross-posted.
Puke your iOS flames into just an Apple/iOS newsgroup (which you did in
your cross-posting).

In article <1tizm1ya1z9vq$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:

> Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> \__ We have another troll
>
> > Why is it that only iOS is missing <yadda yadda>?
> <snipped the remaining proselytizing/flaming spam>
>
> Off-topic to the Android and Win10 newsgroups to which you cross-posted.
> Puke your iOS flames into just an Apple/iOS newsgroup (which you did in
> your cross-posting).

it's yet another 'arlen holder' instance, one of several that are
currently active.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <1tizm1ya1z9vq$.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
> wrote:
>
>> Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> \__ We have another troll
>>
>>> Why is it that only iOS is missing <yadda yadda>?
>> <snipped the remaining proselytizing/flaming spam>
>>
>> Off-topic to the Android and Win10 newsgroups to which you cross-posted.
>> Puke your iOS flames into just an Apple/iOS newsgroup (which you did in
>> your cross-posting).
>
> it's yet another 'arlen holder' instance, one of several that are
> currently active.

I'll add yet another filter to kill any posts in this Android newsgroup
that is cross-posted to the iPhone newsgroup.

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> asked
> I'll add yet another filter to kill any posts in this Android newsgroup
> that is cross-posted to the iPhone newsgroup.

It's a valid question of common consumer operating system newsgroups.
If you don't know the answer to the question - you don't understand.

Why is all the functionality of _all_ common consumer operating systems
often not on only _one_ of the common consumer operating systems: iOS?

What's _different_ about Android or Windows users, for example that they
often do graphical debugging of cellular & wifi networks, but not on iOS?

What's different between Android or Windows and iOS that this is the case?

> Why is all the functionality of _all_ common consumer operating systems
> often not on only _one_ of the common consumer operating systems: iOS?

Another functionality on _all_ other common consumer operating systems
_except_ on just _one_ of them is the secure FOSS Tor Browser Bundle.

Why?
What's different?

If you don't know what's different, you don't understand operating systems.

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> asked
> Off-topic to the Android and Win10 newsgroups

Another functionality on _all_ other common consumer operating systems
_except_ on just _one_ of them is a system wide FOSS functional firewall.

Why?
What's different?

If you don't know what's different, you don't understand operating systems.

Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>> Why is all the functionality of _all_ common consumer operating systems
>> often not on only _one_ of the common consumer operating systems: iOS?
>
> Another functionality on _all_ other common consumer operating systems
> _except_ on just _one_ of them is the secure FOSS Tor Browser Bundle.
>
> Why?
> What's different?
>
> If you don't know what's different, you don't understand operating systems.

Rationalize all you want.
Cross-posts to unrelated newsgroups have been plonked.

In article <1t53vycvlse0u.dlg@v.nguard.lh>, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH>
wrote:

> >> Robin Goodfellow <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> \__ We have another troll
> >>
> >>> Why is it that only iOS is missing <yadda yadda>?
> >> <snipped the remaining proselytizing/flaming spam>
> >>
> >> Off-topic to the Android and Win10 newsgroups to which you cross-posted.
> >> Puke your iOS flames into just an Apple/iOS newsgroup (which you did in
> >> your cross-posting).
> >
> > it's yet another 'arlen holder' instance, one of several that are
> > currently active.
>
> I'll add yet another filter to kill any posts in this Android newsgroup
> that is cross-posted to the iPhone newsgroup.

the problem is mainly 'arlen', not crossposting.

sometimes there is worthwhile discussion that applies to more than one
group.

VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> asked
> Rationalize all you want.

The rationale, whether you like it or not, is how the five common consumer
operating systems work (Linux, Windows, Android, iOS, & macOS).

Specifically why _one_ of them is _always_ crippled compared to the rest.

> Cross-posts to unrelated newsgroups have been plonked.

Plonk as you like but stop your repeated trolling for attention please.
Your responses should at least try to flesh out the topic at hand for all.

Otherwise you're no better than common YourName, GoodGuy, & Snit trolls.

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:59:51 +0000, Robin Goodfellow
<Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>Why is it that only iOS is missing graphical wifi debuggers?
>FACT: *They don't exist on the Apple app store* - a fact nobody can deny.

Years ago the situation was different, such apps were available. But
Apple killed them in its store, claiming, they would use an
undocumented API.
After this, the next device became an Android for me, never looking
back.

On 8/31/2021 5:33 AM, Michael Logies wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:59:51 +0000, Robin Goodfellow
> <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>
>> Why is it that only iOS is missing graphical wifi debuggers?
>> FACT: *They don't exist on the Apple app store* - a fact nobody can deny.
>
> Years ago the situation was different, such apps were available. But
> Apple killed them in its store, claiming, they would use an
> undocumented API.
> After this, the next device became an Android for me, never looking
> back.

There were references to those past apps that I saw when searching for a
iOS App.

"A new day, and another Wifi Scanner App is removed from the App Store
and placed in the Cydia Store. This new wifi scanner called WiFi
Analyzer was removed from the App Store for the usage of private API’s
just like wififofum was removed not so long ago. WiFI Analyzer will
provide you with advanced connection statistics like network speeds, a
graph that shows the channel allocation and received signal strength
(RSSI) and much more. Not only does WiFI Analyzer show common network
data, it will also show advanced information like a networks BSSID (mac
address), Encryption type, Channel, Mode and Rates of broadcast."
<http://www.ijailbreak.com/applications/wifi-analyzer-is-a-new-network-finder-with-some-serious-functionality/>,
but it does not appear to be available anymore either."

“Before couple of months, it was available on Apple app store with the
name of WiFi Scanner that allows it’s users to analyze various channels
based on filters. User can get detailed statistics data, low crowded
channel or free WiFi and much more. But recently, Apple has removed WiFi
Scanner from it’s app store." See
<https://cydiasources.net/wifi-analyzer-cydia-app/>

It was available on Jailbroken iPhones for a while, but even that is
gone now, see <https://sites.google.com/site/iphonewifianalyzer/2-0-1/>
where it states "WiFi Analyzer (as well as other similar wifi scanner
apps out there) is not compatible with iOS 5 as the required APIs to
perform wifi scanning have changed. If you upgrade to iOS 5, WiFi
Analyzer will not work. Jailbroken users can download the latest version
from Cydia, which contains a fix for iOS 5." But that version appears to
be gone as well.

So indeed, the loss of those Apps appears to be the result of an API
becoming unavailable to developers, for whatever reason. But the
"AirPort Utility" app
<https://apps.apple.com/us/app/airport-utility/id427276530> is able to
list out a portion of the necessary data in text form, so it must be
using an API that is available to Apple but not to other developers.

As I pointed out in the other thread, this is not a case like OBD-II and
Torque Pro, where you can just go buy a sub-$30 locked Tracfone from
Walmart <https://www.walmart.com/ip/870791820> and dedicate it as an
OBD-II display, for a Wi-Fi analyzer you'd want a newer, higher-end,
phone that has the latest Wi-Fi bands, since often you want to look at
not only the routers in your own house, but interfering routers from
neighboring houses and even if your routers are all older, your
neighbor's routers may not be, and this would be an even greater concern
in high-density housing where you could easily have 20 or more routers
all broadcasting at once.

For whatever reason, Apple does not want these kinds of apps on the App
Store, though they resell such apps on the Mac Store.

On 2021-08-31 10:39 a.m., sms wrote:
> On 8/31/2021 5:33 AM, Michael Logies wrote:
>> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:59:51 +0000, Robin Goodfellow
>> <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>>
>>> Why is it that only iOS is missing graphical wifi debuggers?
>>> FACT: *They don't exist on the Apple app store* - a fact nobody can
>>> deny.
>>
>> Years ago the situation was different, such apps were available. But
>> Apple killed them in its store, claiming, they would use an
>> undocumented API.
>> After this, the next device became an Android for me, never looking
>> back.
>
> There were references to those past apps that I saw when searching for a
> iOS App.
>
> "A new day, and another Wifi Scanner App is removed from the App Store
> and placed in the Cydia Store. This new wifi scanner called WiFi
> Analyzer was removed from the App Store for the usage of private API’s
> just like wififofum was removed not so long ago. WiFI Analyzer will
> provide you with advanced connection statistics like network speeds, a
> graph that shows the channel allocation and received signal strength
> (RSSI) and much more. Not only does WiFI Analyzer show common network
> data, it will also show advanced information like a networks BSSID (mac
> address), Encryption type, Channel, Mode and Rates of broadcast."
> <http://www.ijailbreak.com/applications/wifi-analyzer-is-a-new-network-finder-with-some-serious-functionality/>,
> but it does not appear to be available anymore either."
>
> “Before couple of months, it was available on Apple app store with the
> name of WiFi Scanner that allows it’s users to analyze various channels
> based on filters. User can get detailed statistics data, low crowded
> channel or free WiFi and much more. But recently, Apple has removed WiFi
> Scanner from it’s app store." See
> <https://cydiasources.net/wifi-analyzer-cydia-app/>
>
> It was available on Jailbroken iPhones for a while, but even that is
> gone now, see <https://sites.google.com/site/iphonewifianalyzer/2-0-1/>
> where it states "WiFi Analyzer (as well as other similar wifi scanner
> apps out there) is not compatible with iOS 5 as the required APIs to
> perform wifi scanning have changed. If you upgrade to iOS 5, WiFi
> Analyzer will not work. Jailbroken users can download the latest version
> from Cydia, which contains a fix for iOS 5." But that version appears to
> be gone as well.
>
> So indeed, the loss of those Apps appears to be the result of an API
> becoming unavailable to developers, for whatever reason. But the
> "AirPort Utility" app
> <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/airport-utility/id427276530> is able to
> list out a portion of the necessary data in text form, so it must be
> using an API that is available to Apple but not to other developers.
>
> As I pointed out in the other thread, this is not a case like OBD-II and
> Torque Pro, where you can just go buy a sub-$30 locked Tracfone from
> Walmart <https://www.walmart.com/ip/870791820> and dedicate it as an
> OBD-II display, for a Wi-Fi analyzer you'd want a newer, higher-end,
> phone that has the latest Wi-Fi bands, since often you want to look at
> not only the routers in your own house, but interfering routers from
> neighboring houses and even if your routers are all older, your
> neighbor's routers may not be, and this would be an even greater concern
> in high-density housing where you could easily have 20 or more routers
> all broadcasting at once.
>
> For whatever reason, Apple does not want these kinds of apps on the App
> Store, though they resell such apps on the Mac Store.

However, nospam and the other Apple zealots would have you believe that
Apple _doesn't_ censor you and would never stoop so low as to _block_
useful software from users for the heck of it.

Apple is all about giving you as much freedom as is possible from within
the well-decorated jail cell they're built for you.

--
@RabidHussar

On 2021-08-29 5:59 p.m., Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> Why is it that only iOS is missing graphical wifi debuggers?
> FACT: *They don't exist on the Apple app store* - a fact nobody can deny.
>
> Why is it _only_ iOS that is crippled (but not any other operating system)?
> I don't know why.
>

You've yet to demonstrate that this is due to iOS being in any way crippled.

> Either it's that iOS owners only play games with iOS, as nospam and Jolly
> Roger and Lewis constantly allude to when they say "who needs debuggers?"
>
> Or it's that Apple expressly doesn't allow the use of the functions
> necessary to make these tools work (which work on all other operating
> systems)...
>
> Or...???

Or there is insufficient demand for them.

On 2021-08-31 8:33 a.m., Michael Logies wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 21:59:51 +0000, Robin Goodfellow
> <Ancient-of-Days@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>
>> Why is it that only iOS is missing graphical wifi debuggers?
>> FACT: *They don't exist on the Apple app store* - a fact nobody can deny.
>
> Years ago the situation was different, such apps were available. But
> Apple killed them in its store, claiming, they would use an
> undocumented API.

Cite, please!

> After this, the next device became an Android for me, never looking
> back.
>

On 8/31/2021 7:55 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
> On 2021-08-31 10:39 a.m., sms wrote:

<snip>

>> For whatever reason, Apple does not want these kinds of apps on the
>> App Store, though they resell such apps on the Mac Store.
>
> However, nospam and the other Apple zealots would have you believe that
> Apple _doesn't_ censor you and would never stoop so low as to _block_
> useful software from users for the heck of it.

Whatever the agenda of our favorite trolls is, it's unlikely that anyone
ever believes anything they post, so it's not an issue. If they do ever
say anything that's actually true, it would be like the story of "The
Boy Who Cried Wolf," and no one would believe them. I suspect that I am
not alone in making judicious use of Usenet filters to filter out their
rantings.

However, to be fair, I do recall one time where "nospam" posted
something that was true; he said that Costco accepted Apple Pay, when
Costco corporate said that they did not (and Google Pay was also accepted).
> Apple is all about giving you as much freedom as is possible from within
> the well-decorated jail cell they're built for you.

What is odd is that it's hard to imagine a reason why they would not
allow a tool like a graphical WiFi debugger. On Android these apps have
tens of millions of downloads so clearly they are something that people
have a use for, if not daily at least occasionally. And Apple even sells
such an app on the Mac App store so it's not like such apps would be
used for nefarious purposes.

There must be some marketing or support reason as to why they don't
allow these apps. Such apps could be paid apps, and with a 30%
commission, and an app price of $5, and 20 million purchasers, that
would generate over $33 million.

In article <sglilm$mov$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> There must be some marketing or support reason as to why they don't
> allow these apps.

apple doesn't do marketing or support for third party apps. that's
entirely up to the developer of such apps. apple is just the
storefront.

your baseless claim that any app that doesn't exist in the app store
can only be due to apple not allowing it is flat out false.

> Such apps could be paid apps, and with a 30%
> commission, and an app price of $5, and 20 million purchasers, that
> would generate over $33 million.

math fail.

using your completely fabricated numbers, 20m purchases of a $5 app
would be $100m total revenue (5*20m), which would be $30m for apple and
$70m for the developer.

the real question is if you think such an app can potentially bring in
$70 million for the developer (using your numbers), why haven't you
started learning how to write ios apps and start making the big bucks?

however, your first app should be a calculator app since you can't do
simple multiplication.

On 2021-08-31 11:42 a.m., sms wrote:
> On 8/31/2021 7:55 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>> On 2021-08-31 10:39 a.m., sms wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>> For whatever reason, Apple does not want these kinds of apps on the
>>> App Store, though they resell such apps on the Mac Store.
>>
>> However, nospam and the other Apple zealots would have you believe
>> that Apple _doesn't_ censor you and would never stoop so low as to
>> _block_ useful software from users for the heck of it.
>
> Whatever the agenda of our favorite trolls is, it's unlikely that anyone
> ever believes anything they post, so it's not an issue. If they do ever
> say anything that's actually true, it would be like the story of "The
> Boy Who Cried Wolf," and no one would believe them. I suspect that I am
> not alone in making judicious use of Usenet filters to filter out their
> rantings.
>
> However, to be fair, I do recall one time where "nospam" posted
> something that was true; he said that Costco accepted Apple Pay, when
> Costco corporate said that they did not (and Google Pay was also accepted).

I have no idea if anyone here uses Google Pay, Apple Pay or any other
option but it seems like the least secure way to go. As bad as a debit
or credit card are, a good proportion of their security issues can be
alleviated by acquiring an RFID blocker which prevents people from doing
a drive-by cloning of your cards (which is shockingly possible). If you
insist on adding a cell phone to the payment process, you're also adding
the security issues which come with either Android or iOS. I'm sure both
companies do their best to patch those holes but both MacOS and Windows
users still manage to have people infiltrate their systems or install
malware despite the best efforts of the corporations, third-parties who
offer security software as well as hardware meant to protect you. I'm
ranting here, obviously, but it seems to me that Costco and its members
would benefit from both Google Pay and Apple Pay not being allowed.

>> Apple is all about giving you as much freedom as is possible from
>> within the well-decorated jail cell they're built for you.
>
> What is odd is that it's hard to imagine a reason why they would not
> allow a tool like a graphical WiFi debugger. On Android these apps have
> tens of millions of downloads so clearly they are something that people
> have a use for, if not daily at least occasionally. And Apple even sells
> such an app on the Mac App store so it's not like such apps would be
> used for nefarious purposes.
>
> There must be some marketing or support reason as to why they don't
> allow these apps. Such apps could be paid apps, and with a 30%
> commission, and an app price of $5, and 20 million purchasers, that
> would generate over $33 million.

I never thought that I'd have a use for such an application until I
started living in a town house where every one of my neighbours has
wifi, wifi pods (extenders) or a mesh. With that, the struggle to find
the channels where my own network would operate best began. Those
analyzers show me where everything resides, where there are empty spaces
and what can be done to optimize the connection (provided my hardware or
software doesn't automatically do this already). If there is any kind of
interference, it allows me to sort it out. Much like you, I can't
imagine why Apple wouldn't want its users to have such a tool unless
they're preparing to deliver their own utility for this purpose and want
to make sure that there is no competition... which seems like the kind
of thing Apple would do.

--
@RabidHussar

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
> your baseless claim that any app that doesn't exist in the app store
> can only be due to apple not allowing it is flat out false.

It was good information Michael Logies, sms, & RabidHussar provided because
the fact is that only iOS users can't install these graphical wifi debugging
tools from the app store. Everyone else can (and does).

If it's true these wifi debugging apps were _removed_ by Apple, then that
shoots a hole in your increasingly desperate defense above, does it not?

If Apple _removed_ these apps, then it's Apple alone which cripples iOS.
The question we need an answer to is why?

*Why did Apple remove them & why does Apple forbid them on the App Store?*

On 8/31/2021 10:23 AM, RabidHussar wrote:

<snip>

> I have no idea if anyone here uses Google Pay, Apple Pay or any other
> option but it seems like the least secure way to go.

I would contend that Mobile Wallet is more secure. If someone steals
your wallet they can use your credit cards to make purchases until the
card is reported as stolen or the bank suspects fraud and stops
approving purchases.

If someone steals your phone, they can't use mobile wallet unless they
can unlock your phone with a passcode, fingerprint, or face. Also you
can't steal the NFC credit card data from a phone unless it's unlocked
with the payment app is open, but a credit card with in a wallet without
RFID blocking can be scanned (I guess that is one positive of the very
few remaining non-contactless credit cards like the Apple Mastercard).

Now if you were in other countries, where all credit card payments using
a chip card require a PIN, and contactless credit card payments over a
certain amount require a PIN, it would be a slightly different story.
But most contacless payments are small enough that they don't require a
PIN with a physical card, but with a phone you'd have to unlock the
phone with a PIN (or face or fingerprint) in order make a contactless
payment.

On 2021-08-31 1:51 p.m., sms wrote:
> On 8/31/2021 10:23 AM, RabidHussar wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> I have no idea if anyone here uses Google Pay, Apple Pay or any other
>> option but it seems like the least secure way to go.
>
> I would contend that Mobile Wallet is more secure. If someone steals
> your wallet they can use your credit cards to make purchases until the
> card is reported as stolen or the bank suspects fraud and stops
> approving purchases.
>
> If someone steals your phone, they can't use mobile wallet unless they
> can unlock your phone with a passcode, fingerprint, or face. Also you
> can't steal the NFC credit card data from a phone unless it's unlocked
> with the payment app is open, but a credit card with in a wallet without
> RFID blocking can be scanned (I guess that is one positive of the very
> few remaining non-contactless credit cards like the Apple Mastercard).
>
> Now if you were in other countries, where all credit card payments using
> a chip card require a PIN, and contactless credit card payments over a
> certain amount require a PIN, it would be a slightly different story.
> But most contacless payments are small enough that they don't require a
> PIN with a physical card, but with a phone you'd have to unlock the
> phone with a PIN (or face or fingerprint) in order make a contactless
> payment.

If there is a consensus around the fact that paying through the cell
phone is more secure, I'll have to adopt it. My instincts say that it
isn't for the reasons I've highlighted in my preceding message but I'd
be happy to be wrong and to learn that added convenience is also added
security.

--
@RabidHussar

On 8/31/2021 10:39 AM, Robin Goodfellow wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> asked
>> your baseless claim that any app that doesn't exist in the app store
>> can only be due to apple not allowing it is flat out false.
>
> It was good information Michael Logies, sms, & RabidHussar provided because
> the fact is that only iOS users can't install these graphical wifi debugging
> tools from the app store. Everyone else can (and does).
>
> If it's true these wifi debugging apps were _removed_ by Apple, then that
> shoots a hole in your increasingly desperate defense above, does it not?

What happened was that those apps were using undocumented APIs that
became unavailable, so the apps no longer functioned and hence were removed.

> If Apple _removed_ these apps, then it's Apple alone which cripples iOS.
> The question we need an answer to is why?
>
> *Why did Apple remove them & why does Apple forbid them on the App Store?*

They were removed because they no longer worked.

They are forbidden only because they are not possible anymore because
the APIs are gone.

Perhaps the issue was not really with those specific apps, but because
those APIs presented security threats from other apps that could use
them. You will never find out the actual reasons.

In article <hAtXI.7072$tG6.3820@fx39.iad>, RabidHussar <rabid@huss.ar>
wrote:

> I have no idea if anyone here uses Google Pay, Apple Pay or any other
> option but it seems like the least secure way to go.

apple pay and google pay are by far the most secure payment methods
currently available.

> As bad as a debit
> or credit card are, a good proportion of their security issues can be
> alleviated by acquiring an RFID blocker which prevents people from doing
> a drive-by cloning of your cards (which is shockingly possible).

not without being very close to the card, it isn't, and not all cards
are contactless anyway.

> If you
> insist on adding a cell phone to the payment process, you're also adding
> the security issues which come with either Android or iOS.

nope. you obviously have zero understanding how mobile payments work.

first of all, mobile payments uses industry standard emv, the same as
any chipped or contactless card. any supposed security issue with ios
or android is not relevant.

second, the card number (dan) is unique per device and requires a
one-time token (dcvv) that is unique per transaction and generated on
the fly.

the dan is encrypted and stored in the secure enclave with no way for
an app to access it, but even if an app could somehow extract it, the
app would also need to somehow generate a valid dcvv, which would
require compromising the card issuer's systems and the credit card
payment network itself.

since the dan/dcvv are linked to the user's device, even if an app
could somehow generate one, it won't work on a different mobile device
nor will they work on a cloned card, which can't generate one-time
dcvvs at all.

lastly, if the store's payment system is compromised, any credit card
numbers the bad guys might get are completely useless because they're
device-specific and not the actual card number.

put simply, mobile payments is as secure as it gets.

compare that to when someone uses a credit card directly, the numbers
obtained by a data breach *could* be usable, at least for a short time
until the card number is voided and a replacement card issued.

> I can't
> imagine why Apple wouldn't want its users to have such a tool unless
> they're preparing to deliver their own utility for this purpose and want
> to make sure that there is no competition... which seems like the kind
> of thing Apple would do.

yet another myth which is easily busted.

apple encourages third parties to create better apps than what apple
provides, since it will generate additional revenue if it's sold in the
app store and indirectly if not.

there are *many* alternative mac & ios browsers, email apps and various
other apps that compete with what apple bundles with the os or offers
separately in the store (some of which are not free).

In article <sglq76$dug$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> If someone steals your phone, they can't use mobile wallet unless they
> can unlock your phone with a passcode, fingerprint, or face.

if someone steals your phone, you can immediately invalidate all cards
on it.

> Also you
> can't steal the NFC credit card data from a phone unless it's unlocked
> with the payment app is open,

there is no payment app to open with apple pay. yet another thing
you've never used.

but even if someone somehow obtained the card number, they won't be
able to generate a dcvv one-time token to make purchases.

In article <sglqgl$g00$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> They were removed because they no longer worked.

removed by the developer, because a developer offering apps that don't
work is not a very good business strategy.

> They are forbidden only because they are not possible anymore because
> the APIs are gone.

old apis being gone does not preclude the existence and use of newer
apis.

> Perhaps the issue was not really with those specific apps, but because
> those APIs presented security threats from other apps that could use
> them.

nope, that's not it.

> You will never find out the actual reasons.

you certainly won't, because you're just spewing nonsense.

others have.