In article <se2jvn$ca7$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
> Once you have had the commie flu, you are protecting
> everyone around you from it.

racism aside, nope.

> Herb immunity will be
> what stops this.

what about spice immunity?

> And folks with the jab do not count
> as they still get the little bugger and still transmit
> it to others.

false.

they *do* count because those who are vaccinated are unlikely to get
infected and won't have a sufficient viral load to transmit it to
others.

> Most that do not take the jab have
> already had the commie flu and ARE protecting others.

more racism and also wrong.

> Here is a 15 minute video with an interview with Dr.
> Robert Malone who invented the mRNA gene therapy. He
> claims it is dangerous.

he didn't invent it, it's not gene therapy and it's not dangerous.

<https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd>

On his personal website, Twitter, and LinkedIn, Dr. Robert Malone
has been promoting himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. This
is misleading. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled "Cationic
liposome-mediated RNA transfection." While this paper is an example
of his important contribution to the then-emerging field, it does not
make him the inventor of mRNA vaccines.
....
UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not
invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology
platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents ­ none
of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment
for the claim has not changed.

In article <se1udn$1n9$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >> Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines.  The jab is
> >> not even a vaccine.
> >>
> >> And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine.  It
> >> contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
> >> Please use correct terminology.
> >>
> >> And from now on, if you send me another opinion
> >> piece, I will not longer respond to you.  I will
> >> only accept science.
> >>
> >
> > It's a vaccine. One example paper in Nature (many others are behind
> > pay-walls)
> >
> > <https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243>
> >
> > Also many articles for public consumption from respected medical
> > universities:
> >
> > <https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison>
> >
> >
> > <https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-20201
> > 21021599>
> >
> >
> > <https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/
> > coronavirus-vaccines-infographic>
> >
> > Next you'll say Yale, Harvard, and John Hopkins fake... You are the
> > reason it has been a year and a half and we are still dealing with this
> > shit. I know I won't convince you but maybe I will prevent someone else
> > from following your "advice".
> >
>
> Not a single medical book define mRNA therapy as a real vaccine as it
> does not contain a single piece of
> the offender.

how many medical books have you actually read?

> Before I go on, I will give you that the mRNA
> therapy acts somewhat like a vaccine, even though
> it is not.

it is a vaccine. full stop.

> Sorry. mRNA therapy is many things, it just is not a
> vaccine.

pfizer and moderna mrna vaccines *are* vaccines and stop calling it
'mrna therapy'.

> There is NOTHING in the mRNA therapy that is
> "mimicking" the offender.

other than the mrna, you mean?

how about learning how mrna vaccines work before going further.

> Oh and don't forget that we all now are to wear useless
> face diapers because we have to protect the, ha ha,
> vaccinated from "breakthrough infections".

first of all, there's nothing to laugh about. people are dying.

second, the masks are to protect the *unvaccinated*, who are at a very
high risk of getting sick and quite possibly dying.

delta is highly transmissible, much more so than the earlier variants.

those who are vaccinated are well protected, but nothing is 100%. there
will be a small number of breakthrough infections.

> How about we can the political correctness and use off
> label drugs (Ivermectin) that have clearly been shown
> to be supremely successful at controlling this virus?

no they haven't.

ivermectin has *not* been shown to be beneficial for covid. full stop.

how about you stop taking advice from quack doctors and stop calling
anything you don't like or understand political correctness.

you claim to want to follow the science and want randomized controlled
trials. here's some science for you, ivermectin actually makes things
*worse*.

<https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-021-0634
8-5>
Ivermectin to prevent hospitalizations in patients with COVID-19
(IVERCOR-COVID19) a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled
trial
....
Patients were randomized to ivermectin (N = 250) or placebo
(N = 251) arms in a staggered dose, according to the patient¹s
weight, for 2 days.
....
Results
...The mean time from study enrollment to invasive mechanical
ventilatory support (MVS) was 5.25 days (SD ± 1.71) in ivermectin
group and 10 days (SD ± 2) in placebo group,

Conclusion
Ivermectin had no significant effect on preventing hospitalization of
patients with COVID-19. Patients who received ivermectin required
invasive MVS earlier in their treatment. No significant differences
were observed in any of the other secondary outcomes.

but even if ivermectin was a miracle cure (which it very definitely is
not), it's a helluva lot better to be vaccinated and not get sick in
the first place than get sick.

> No? Trump might have been right about something?

he was not.

not only was he wrong, but he deliberately did the *opposite* of what
doctors, scientists, public health experts and pretty much everyone
else told him was right.

> Better for folks to die?

apparently so, since you and many others aren't taking steps to reduce
the spread of covid, which fucks things up for everyone else and causes
people to get sick and die.

>
> Political correctness kills.

yes it does.

it's the only thing you got right, just not in the way you might think.

In article <se2ivj$7ou$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> >> Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines.  The jab is
> >> not even a vaccine.
> >>
> >> And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine.  It
> >> contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
> >> Please use correct terminology.
> >>
> >> And from now on, if you send me another opinion
> >> piece, I will not longer respond to you.  I will
> >> only accept science.
> >>
> >
> > It's a vaccine. One example paper in Nature (many others are behind
> > pay-walls)
> >
> > <https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243>
> >
> > Also many articles for public consumption from respected medical
> > universities:
> >
> > <https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison>
> >
> >
> > <https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-20201
> > 21021599>
> >
> >
> > <https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/
> > coronavirus-vaccines-infographic>
> >
> > Next you'll say Yale, Harvard, and John Hopkins fake... You are the
> > reason it has been a year and a half and we are still dealing with this
> > shit. I know I won't convince you but maybe I will prevent someone else
> > from following your "advice".
> >
>
> They're are just being sloppy with their language:

no they aren't.

>
> Here you go:

the books you list are from 2003 through 2008.

they are far too old to include anything about mrna vaccines, the first
two of which were approved in 2020.

>
>
> vaccine:
> a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms (viruses, bacteria,
> or rickettsiae), administered for prevention, amelioration, or treatment
> of infectious diseases.
>
> --Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and
> Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of
> Elsevier, Inc.
>
>
> vaccine:
> n.
> a. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium
> or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon
> administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or
> cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing
> severe infection.
>
> --The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by
> Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company
>
>
> vaccine:
> Immunology A mixture of live, live-attenuated, killed, complete or
> incomplete microorganisms or their products
>
> --McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine
>
>
> vaccine:
> A suspension of microorganisms of one particular type that have been
> killed or modified so as to be safe
>
> --Collins Dictionary of Medicine © Robert M. Youngson 2004, 2005
>
>
> vaccine:
> a preparation containing live, attenuated (see ATTENUATION).or
> inactivated (killed) microorganisms (or some part or product of them),
> that is used to stimulate an IMMUNE
> RESPONSE
>
> --Collins Dictionary of Biology, 3rd ed. © W. G. Hale, V. A. Saunders,
> J. P. Margham 2005
>
>
> Vaccine:
> A preparation using a non-infectious element or relative of a particular
> virus or bacteria
>
> --Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> Not a single medical book define mRNA therapy as a real vaccine as it
> does not contain a single piece of
> the offender.

That's because the mRNA vaccines are new technology and textbooks are
always behind the leading edge of science. It takes time for novel research
to get taught to students.

Vaccines work by presenting the antigen to your immune system and raising
an immunological response. mRNA vaccines just do it differently. The method
doesn't define a vaccine, it's the outcome.

Of course there are traditional vaccines available from J&J and AstraZeneca
which work in the usual. I'm sure you'll be more than happy to take one of
them.

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 7/28/21 8:59 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>
>>> Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines.  The jab is
>>> not even a vaccine.
>>>
>>> And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine.  It
>>> contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
>>> Please use correct terminology.
>>>
>>> And from now on, if you send me another opinion
>>> piece, I will not longer respond to you.  I will
>>> only accept science.
>>>
>>
>> It's a vaccine. One example paper in Nature (many others are behind
>> pay-walls)
>>
>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243>
>>
>> Also many articles for public consumption from respected medical
>> universities:
>>
>> <https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison>
>>
>> <https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599>
>>
>> <https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccines-infographic>
>>
>> Next you'll say Yale, Harvard, and John Hopkins fake... You are the
>> reason it has been a year and a half and we are still dealing with this
>> shit. I know I won't convince you but maybe I will prevent someone else
>> from following your "advice".
>>
>
> They're are just being sloppy with their language:
>
> Here you go:
>
>
> vaccine:
> a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms (viruses, bacteria,
> or rickettsiae), administered for prevention, amelioration, or treatment
> of infectious diseases.
>
> --Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and
> Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of
> Elsevier, Inc.
>
>
> vaccine:
> n.
> a. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium
> or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon
> administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or
> cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing
> severe infection.
>
> --The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by
> Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company
>
>
> vaccine:
> Immunology A mixture of live, live-attenuated, killed, complete or
> incomplete microorganisms or their products
>
> --McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine
>
>
> vaccine:
> A suspension of microorganisms of one particular type that have been
> killed or modified so as to be safe
>
> --Collins Dictionary of Medicine © Robert M. Youngson 2004, 2005
>
>
> vaccine:
> a preparation containing live, attenuated (see ATTENUATION).or
> inactivated (killed) microorganisms (or some part or product of them),
> that is used to stimulate an IMMUNE
> RESPONSE
>
> --Collins Dictionary of Biology, 3rd ed. © W. G. Hale, V. A. Saunders,
> J. P. Margham 2005
>
>
> Vaccine:
> A preparation using a non-infectious element or relative of a particular
> virus or bacteria
>
> --Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc

Dictionaries are the last resort for people losing an argument.
Dictionaries only reflect usage and definitions in use. They are not the
primary source. When usage and definitions change so must the
dictionaries. These definitions for vaccines are now incomplete given the
new discoveries.

nospam wrote:
> In article <se1udn$1n9$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>

> Conclusion
> Ivermectin had no significant effect on preventing hospitalization of
> patients with COVID-19. Patients who received ivermectin required
> invasive MVS earlier in their treatment. No significant differences
> were observed in any of the other secondary outcomes.
>
> but even if ivermectin was a miracle cure (which it very definitely is
> not), it's a helluva lot better to be vaccinated and not get sick in
> the first place than get sick.

Not sure he knows that Ivermectin is. Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral
medication, it is for parasite control. Totally difference organism. It
controls parasites in animals and humans. Unless you are having a bout
of worms or elephantiasis Ivermectin ain't going to help you. We use it
to keep out dogs heartworm free...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On 2021-07-30 11:18 p.m., T wrote:
> On 7/28/21 8:59 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> T wrote:
>>
>>> Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines.  The jab is
>>> not even a vaccine.
>>>
>>> And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine.  It
>>> contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
>>> Please use correct terminology.
>>>
>>> And from now on, if you send me another opinion
>>> piece, I will not longer respond to you.  I will
>>> only accept science.
>>>
>>
>> It's a vaccine. One example paper in Nature (many others are behind
>> pay-walls)
>>
>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243>
>>
>> Also many articles for public consumption from respected medical
>> universities:
>>
>> <https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison>
>>
>> <https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599>
>>
>>
>> <https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccines-infographic>
>>
>>
>> Next you'll say Yale, Harvard, and John Hopkins fake... You are the
>> reason it has been a year and a half and we are still dealing with this
>> shit. I know I won't convince you but maybe I will prevent someone else
>> from following your "advice".
>>
>
> They're are just being sloppy with their language:
>
> Here you go:
>
>
> vaccine:
> a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms (viruses, bacteria,
> or rickettsiae), administered for prevention, amelioration, or treatment
> of infectious diseases.
>
> --Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and
> Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of
> Elsevier, Inc.
>
>
> vaccine:
> n.
> a. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium
> or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon
> administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or
> cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing
> severe infection.
>
> --The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by
> Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company
>
>
> vaccine:
> Immunology A mixture of live, live-attenuated, killed, complete or
> incomplete microorganisms or their products
>
> --McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine
>
>
> vaccine:
> A suspension of microorganisms of one particular type that have been
> killed or modified so as to be safe
>
> --Collins Dictionary of Medicine © Robert M. Youngson 2004, 2005
>
>
> vaccine:
> a preparation containing live, attenuated (see ATTENUATION).or
> inactivated (killed) microorganisms (or some part or product of them),
> that is used to stimulate an IMMUNE
> RESPONSE
>
> --Collins Dictionary of Biology, 3rd ed. © W. G. Hale, V. A. Saunders,
> J. P. Margham 2005
>
>
> Vaccine:
> A preparation using a non-infectious element or relative of a particular
> virus or bacteria
>
> --Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc
>

Holy Shit, Dr T on the rise, May the Saints preserve us.

Rene

On 2021-07-31 12:35 a.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <se2jvn$ca7$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> Once you have had the commie flu, you are protecting
>> everyone around you from it.
>
> racism aside, nope.
>
>> Herb immunity will be
>> what stops this.
>
> what about spice immunity?
>
>> And folks with the jab do not count
>> as they still get the little bugger and still transmit
>> it to others.
>
> false.
>
> they *do* count because those who are vaccinated are unlikely to get
> infected and won't have a sufficient viral load to transmit it to
> others.
>
>> Most that do not take the jab have
>> already had the commie flu and ARE protecting others.
>
> more racism and also wrong.
>
>> Here is a 15 minute video with an interview with Dr.
>> Robert Malone who invented the mRNA gene therapy. He
>> claims it is dangerous.
>
> he didn't invent it, it's not gene therapy and it's not dangerous.
>
> <https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd>
>
> On his personal website, Twitter, and LinkedIn, Dr. Robert Malone
> has been promoting himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. This
> is misleading. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled "Cationic
> liposome-mediated RNA transfection." While this paper is an example
> of his important contribution to the then-emerging field, it does not
> make him the inventor of mRNA vaccines.
> ...
> UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not
> invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology
> platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents ­ none
> of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment
> for the claim has not changed.
>

For sure, I like cinnamon, nutmeg and cloves. :-)

Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-07-31 12:35 a.m., nospam wrote:
>> In article <se2jvn$ca7$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Once you have had the commie flu, you are protecting
>>> everyone around you from it.
>>
>> racism aside, nope.
>>
>>> Herb immunity will be
>>> what stops this.
>>
>> what about spice immunity?
>>
>>> And folks with the jab do not count
>>> as they still get the little bugger and still transmit
>>> it to others.
>>
>> false.
>>
>> they *do* count because those who are vaccinated are unlikely to get
>> infected and won't have a sufficient viral load to transmit it to
>> others.
>>
>>> Most that do not take the jab have
>>> already had the commie flu and ARE protecting others.
>>
>> more racism and also wrong.
>>
>>> Here is a 15 minute video with an interview with Dr.
>>> Robert Malone who invented the mRNA gene therapy.  He
>>> claims it is dangerous.
>>
>> he didn't invent it, it's not gene therapy and it's not dangerous.
>>
>> <https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd>
>>
>>    On his personal website, Twitter, and LinkedIn, Dr. Robert Malone
>>    has been promoting himself as the inventor of mRNA vaccines. This
>>    is misleading. In 1989, Malone published a paper titled "Cationic
>>    liposome-mediated RNA transfection." While this paper is an example
>>    of his important contribution to the then-emerging field, it does not
>>    make him the inventor of mRNA vaccines.
>> ...
>>    UPDATE: Malone reached out to Logically, stating that he did not
>>    invent the mRNA vaccines, but instead the "vaccine technology
>>    platform." He also presented us with copies of nine patents ­ none
>>    of which showed that he invented the mRNA vaccines. The judgment
>>    for the claim has not changed.
>>
>
> For sure, I like cinnamon, nutmeg and cloves. :-)
>

Well I am certainly not going to take a wormer...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

In article <se3j61$ucl$1@dont-email.me>, Jonathan N. Little
<lws4art@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Conclusion
> > Ivermectin had no significant effect on preventing hospitalization of
> > patients with COVID-19. Patients who received ivermectin required
> > invasive MVS earlier in their treatment. No significant differences
> > were observed in any of the other secondary outcomes.
> >
> > but even if ivermectin was a miracle cure (which it very definitely is
> > not), it's a helluva lot better to be vaccinated and not get sick in
> > the first place than get sick.
>
> Not sure he knows that Ivermectin is. Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral
> medication, it is for parasite control. Totally difference organism. It
> controls parasites in animals and humans. Unless you are having a bout
> of worms or elephantiasis Ivermectin ain't going to help you. We use it
> to keep out dogs heartworm free...

yep. he has no clue about anything medical. he's just blindly following
what various quack doctors are claiming with zero understanding of the
science he claims to want to follow.

On 7/31/21 6:28 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> Not sure he knows that Ivermectin is. Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral
> medication, it is for parasite control. Totally difference organism. It
> controls parasites in animals and humans. Unless you are having a bout
> of worms or elephantiasis Ivermectin ain't going to help you. We use it
> to keep out dogs heartworm free...

Jonathan,

It is called "repurposing". And there are around 25
Randomized Clinical Trail showing it works and
spectacularly so.

Did you research what your said "ain't going to help you"
before you wrote me?

Johathan, you have got to start using real science and
stop using propaganda narratives.

Controlled randomized clinical trial on using Ivermectin with
Doxycycline for treating COVID-19 patients in Baghdad, Iraq
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.26.20219345v1

Conclusions:
Ivermectin with doxycycline reduced the time to recovery
and the percentage of patients who progress to more
advanced stage of disease; in addition, Ivermectin with
doxycycline reduced mortality rate in severe patients
from 22.72% to 0%; however, 18.2% of critically ill
patients died with Ivermectin and doxycycline therapy.
Taken together, the earlier administered Ivermectin with
doxycycline, the higher rate of successful therapy.

Ivermectin and outcomes from Covid‐19 pneumonia: A systematic review and
meta‐analysis of randomized clinical trial studies
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8209939/
CONCLUSION
Our meta‐analysis of randomized clinical trial studies
indicates that ivermectin administration had an
association with favourable outcomes of Covid‐19,
compromising of higher rate of negative RT‐PCR test
results, shorter time to negative RT‐PCR test results,
higher rate of symptoms alleviations, shorter time to
symptoms alleviations, shorter time to hospital
discharge, reduction in the severity and mortality
rate from Covid‐19. This study suggests that ivermectin
may be the potential therapeutic agents for the
managements of Covid‐19 to give better outcomes for the

Meta-analysis of randomized trials of ivermectin to treat SARS-CoV-2
infection
patients.
https://academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-article-pdf/doi/10.1093/ofid/ofab358/38873704/ofab358.pdf

The 56% survival benefit seen in this meta-analysis is
based on 128 deaths, in 11 different
clinical trials.
This is a smaller total number of deaths than the
RECOVERY trial, which led to
the approval of
dexamethasone and is based on 1592 deaths. However,
the observed
survival benefit of 56% in ivermectin
is stronger than for other repurposed drugs

I could be here all day quoting you study after study. Are
you done with the propaganda narratives?

-T

On 7/31/21 7:18 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> On 2021-07-30 11:18 p.m., T wrote:
>> On 7/28/21 8:59 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>>> T wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dude. There are good vaccines and bad vaccines.  The jab is
>>>> not even a vaccine.
>>>>
>>>> And please stop calling the mRNA therapy a vaccine.  It
>>>> contains not one single molecule of the virus in it.
>>>> Please use correct terminology.
>>>>
>>>> And from now on, if you send me another opinion
>>>> piece, I will not longer respond to you.  I will
>>>> only accept science.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's a vaccine. One example paper in Nature (many others are behind
>>> pay-walls)
>>>
>>> <https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243>
>>>
>>> Also many articles for public consumption from respected medical
>>> universities:
>>>
>>> <https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison>
>>>
>>> <https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/why-are-mrna-vaccines-so-exciting-2020121021599>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-vaccines-infographic>
>>>
>>>
>>> Next you'll say Yale, Harvard, and John Hopkins fake... You are the
>>> reason it has been a year and a half and we are still dealing with this
>>> shit. I know I won't convince you but maybe I will prevent someone else
>>> from following your "advice".
>>>
>>
>> They're are just being sloppy with their language:
>>
>> Here you go:
>>
>>
>> vaccine:
>> a suspension of attenuated or killed microorganisms (viruses,
>> bacteria, or rickettsiae), administered for prevention, amelioration,
>> or treatment of infectious diseases.
>>
>> --Miller-Keane Encyclopedia and Dictionary of Medicine, Nursing, and
>> Allied Health, Seventh Edition. © 2003 by Saunders, an imprint of
>> Elsevier, Inc.
>>
>>
>> vaccine:
>> n.
>> a. A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium
>> or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon
>> administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or
>> cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing
>> severe infection.
>>
>> --The American Heritage® Medical Dictionary Copyright © 2007, 2004 by
>> Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company
>>
>>
>> vaccine:
>> Immunology A mixture of live, live-attenuated, killed, complete or
>> incomplete microorganisms or their products
>>
>> --McGraw-Hill Concise Dictionary of Modern Medicine
>>
>>
>> vaccine:
>> A suspension of microorganisms of one particular type that have been
>> killed or modified so as to be safe
>>
>> --Collins Dictionary of Medicine © Robert M. Youngson 2004, 2005
>>
>>
>> vaccine:
>> a preparation containing live, attenuated (see ATTENUATION).or
>> inactivated (killed) microorganisms (or some part or product of them),
>> that is used to stimulate an IMMUNE
>> RESPONSE
>>
>> --Collins Dictionary of Biology, 3rd ed. © W. G. Hale, V. A. Saunders,
>> J. P. Margham 2005
>>
>>
>> Vaccine:
>> A preparation using a non-infectious element or relative of a
>> particular virus or bacteria
>>
>> --Gale Encyclopedia of Medicine. Copyright 2008 The Gale Group, Inc
>>
>
> Holy Shit,    Dr T  on the rise,  May the Saints preserve us.
>
> Rene

:-)

In article <se4dmt$hs4$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 7/31/21 6:28 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
> > Not sure he knows that Ivermectin is. Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral
> > medication, it is for parasite control. Totally difference organism. It
> > controls parasites in animals and humans. Unless you are having a bout
> > of worms or elephantiasis Ivermectin ain't going to help you. We use it
> > to keep out dogs heartworm free...
>
> Jonathan,
>
> It is called "repurposing". And there are around 25
> Randomized Clinical Trail showing it works and
> spectacularly so.

no there aren't, because it doesn't work.

if it did, it would be used. it doesn't so it isn't.

<https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777389>
Conclusion and Relevance Among adults with mild COVID-19, a
5-day course of ivermectin, compared with placebo, did not
significantly improve the time to resolution of symptoms. The
findings do not support the use of ivermectin for treatment of mild
COVID-19, although larger trials may be needed to understand the
effects of ivermectin on other clinically relevant outcomes.

<https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-
covid-19-pandemic/>
KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 ­ Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as
MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its
position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all
available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of
COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note
that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

- No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against
COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies; 
- No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy
in patients with COVID-19 disease, and; 
- A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 7/31/21 6:28 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
>> Not sure he knows that Ivermectin is. Ivermectin is NOT an anti-viral
>> medication, it is for parasite control. Totally difference organism. It
>> controls parasites in animals and humans. Unless you are having a bout
>> of worms or elephantiasis Ivermectin ain't going to help you. We use it
>> to keep out dogs heartworm free...
>
> Jonathan,
>
> It is called "repurposing". And there are around 25
> Randomized Clinical Trail showing it works and
> spectacularly so.
>
> Did you research what your said "ain't going to help you"
> before you wrote me?
>
> Johathan, you have got to start using real science and
> stop using propaganda narratives.

If what you're claiming were true wouldn't you'd think the company making
ivermectin - Merck - would be pushing it hard? In fact they're doing the
opposite; they're saying it doesn't work.
https://www.merck.com/news/merck-statement-on-ivermectin-use-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/

I wonder why that would be? Maybe it's because many of studies in support
of it are flawed.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns

> Controlled randomized clinical trial on using Ivermectin with
> Doxycycline for treating COVID-19 patients in Baghdad, Iraq
> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.26.20219345v1

Not peer reviewed.

>
> Ivermectin and outcomes from Covid‐19 pneumonia: A systematic review and
> meta‐analysis of randomized clinical trial studies
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8209939/

This includes the very suspect study that has been retracted as mentioned
in the Guardian article above. Results of this study may no longer be
valid.

>
> Meta-analysis of randomized trials of ivermectin to treat SARS-CoV-2
> infection
> patients.
> https://academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-article-pdf/doi/10.1093/ofid/ofab358/38873704/ofab358.pdf

Interesting that you posted the pdf rather than the website that has this
comment:

"Are the authors aware of the the retraction of the pre-print by Elgazzar
et al. (https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v1) over concerns
of potential scientific fraud and breach of ethical conduct? This study was
the largest study by patient number included in the meta-analysis, and also
had the largest drug effect. Given the outsize effect this would have on
the meta-analysis and concerns of the scientific integrity of this study,
will the authors consider revising their analysis with this study excluded
from the meta-analysis?"

>
> I could be here all day quoting you study after study. Are
> you done with the propaganda narratives?

You're the only one spouting propaganda.

On 7/26/2021 2:04 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
> On 2021-07-26 2:47 p.m., david c wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 12:00:40 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
>>
>>> "Rabid Roach" <rabid@roa.ch> wrote
>>>
>>> | I'm a muscular 42 year-old who gets a constant dose of vitamins and |
>>> sunlight. I MIGHT get the Kung Flu but there is a 99% chance that I'll |
>>> recuperate and get natural antibodies against a future infection. With |
>>> the vaccine, I MIGHT be protected though there is still a chance that I
>>> | will get the Kung Flu and an even greater chance that the concoction
>>> of | chemicals will cause me to get brain fog, blood clots, memory loss
>>> or | something that would cause my death leaving my wife without a
>>> husband | and my son without a father. The ever-loving government wants
>>> me to take | that chance and potentially miss out on being there for the
>>> most | important persons I have ever laid my eyes on.
>>>
>>>    I'm with you. And don't forget the best part: Not getting
>>> the shot allows you to pretend that you control your fate.
>>> Better to die fighting a libtard virus than to live on but lose face for
>>> being a dumbass.
>>>
>>>    I'm sure if Nathan Hale were here today he'd say, "I regret
>>> that I have but one life to sacrifice to the libtard virus." And of
>>> course there's the Declaration of Independence, which promises us the
>>> right to death, irascibility, and the pursuit of our own personal truth.
>>>
>>> You're a true patriot.
>>
>> I wouldn't worry too much about getting brain fog, you'll never notice
>> the difference.
>
> Says the brainiac who's too lazy to capitalize his own friggin' name.
>
>

Says a moron that hides his own friggin' name.

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:17:30 -0400, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:

>But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me the
>vaccines are safe!
>
><https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9480051/Medical-student-21-died-day-getting-J-J-vaccine.html>
>
><https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/39-year-old-dies-after-astrazeneca-vaccine-a-second-dose-following-sinovac>
>
><https://www.the-sun.com/news/2305200/doctor-dies-36-others-develop-rare-blood-disorder-vaccines/>
>
><https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/woman-dies-after-second-vaccine-dose-under-mix-and-match-program/>
>
><https://globalnews.ca/news/7835081/alberta-woman-death-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/>
>
><https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/18/greek-woman-dies-after-second-pfizer-vaccine/>
>
>Had these people never gotten the vaccine, they would still be alive
>today. But remember to do the right thing and get vaccinated, people!
>
>NOSPAMIPEDIA DEMANDS IT!

Vaccines are MUCH safer than getting Covid.

On 7/31/21 9:36 PM, Bob F wrote:
> On 7/26/2021 2:04 PM, Rabid Roach wrote:
>> On 2021-07-26 2:47 p.m., david c wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 12:00:40 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Rabid Roach" <rabid@roa.ch> wrote
>>>>
>>>> | I'm a muscular 42 year-old who gets a constant dose of vitamins and |
>>>> sunlight. I MIGHT get the Kung Flu but there is a 99% chance that
>>>> I'll |
>>>> recuperate and get natural antibodies against a future infection.
>>>> With |
>>>> the vaccine, I MIGHT be protected though there is still a chance that I
>>>> | will get the Kung Flu and an even greater chance that the concoction
>>>> of | chemicals will cause me to get brain fog, blood clots, memory loss
>>>> or | something that would cause my death leaving my wife without a
>>>> husband | and my son without a father. The ever-loving government wants
>>>> me to take | that chance and potentially miss out on being there for
>>>> the
>>>> most | important persons I have ever laid my eyes on.
>>>>
>>>>    I'm with you. And don't forget the best part: Not getting
>>>> the shot allows you to pretend that you control your fate.
>>>> Better to die fighting a libtard virus than to live on but lose face
>>>> for
>>>> being a dumbass.
>>>>
>>>>    I'm sure if Nathan Hale were here today he'd say, "I regret
>>>> that I have but one life to sacrifice to the libtard virus." And of
>>>> course there's the Declaration of Independence, which promises us the
>>>> right to death, irascibility, and the pursuit of our own personal
>>>> truth.
>>>>
>>>> You're a true patriot.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't worry too much about getting brain fog, you'll never notice
>>> the difference.
>>
>> Says the brainiac who's too lazy to capitalize his own friggin' name.
>>
>>
>
> Says a moron that hides his own friggin' name.
>

https://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Ad-Hominem.html

Ad Hominem:

(Attacking the person): This fallacy occurs when,
instead of addressing someone's argument or position,
you irrelevantly attack the person or some aspect of
the person who is making the argument. The fallacious
attack can also be direct to membership in a group
or institution.

Examples:

Student: Hey, Professor Moore, we shouldn't have to
read this book by Freud. Everyone knows he used cocaine.

Socrates' arguments about human excellence are rubbish.
What could a man as ugly as he know about human excellence.

Yeah, I think everyone's opinion counts on moral matters
like that, but that Lila sleeps around with anything. I
know of at least one marriage she's broken up, so why
should her opinion count on anything, much less morality?

Of course Marx' theories about the ideal society are
bunk. The guy spent all his time in the library.

We cannot approve of this recycling idea. It was thought
of by a bunch of hippie communist weirdos.

On 8/1/21 6:26 PM, boB wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:17:30 -0400, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>
>> But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me the
>> vaccines are safe!
>>
>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9480051/Medical-student-21-died-day-getting-J-J-vaccine.html>
>>
>> <https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/39-year-old-dies-after-astrazeneca-vaccine-a-second-dose-following-sinovac>
>>
>> <https://www.the-sun.com/news/2305200/doctor-dies-36-others-develop-rare-blood-disorder-vaccines/>
>>
>> <https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/woman-dies-after-second-vaccine-dose-under-mix-and-match-program/>
>>
>> <https://globalnews.ca/news/7835081/alberta-woman-death-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/>
>>
>> <https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/18/greek-woman-dies-after-second-pfizer-vaccine/>
>>
>> Had these people never gotten the vaccine, they would still be alive
>> today. But remember to do the right thing and get vaccinated, people!
>>
>> NOSPAMIPEDIA DEMANDS IT!
>
>
> Vaccines are MUCH safer than getting Covid.

It is not a vaccine. It is an mRNA Therapy
(the "Jab") being mischaracterized as a vaccine.

Do you have any current data on your above
statement? Or are you just sharing your opinion?

I ask, because death rate for the commie flu are
now very low.

I would love to see the comparison of death rates
between "from" (NOT WITH) the commie flu and
from the jab.

So far in the states, over 4000 have been reported
to have died from the jab, with an estimate of only
about 13% reporting.

Also, mRNA therapies have shown a lot of
Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) in the
past and there have not been a long enough
time period. And this inofrmatino is not beinf

On 8/2/21 4:47 PM, T wrote:
> And this inofrmatino is not beinf

Fumble fingers.

The big problem is a lot of this information
is not being disclosed.

T wrote:
> On 8/1/21 6:26 PM, boB wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:17:30 -0400, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me the
>>> vaccines are safe!
>>>
>>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9480051/Medical-student-21-died-day-getting-J-J-vaccine.html>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/39-year-old-dies-after-astrazeneca-vaccine-a-second-dose-following-sinovac>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.the-sun.com/news/2305200/doctor-dies-36-others-develop-rare-blood-disorder-vaccines/>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/woman-dies-after-second-vaccine-dose-under-mix-and-match-program/>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://globalnews.ca/news/7835081/alberta-woman-death-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/18/greek-woman-dies-after-second-pfizer-vaccine/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Had these people never gotten the vaccine, they would still be alive
>>> today. But remember to do the right thing and get vaccinated, people!
>>>
>>> NOSPAMIPEDIA DEMANDS IT!
>>
>>
>> Vaccines are MUCH safer than getting Covid.
>
> It is not a vaccine. It is an mRNA Therapy
> (the "Jab") being mischaracterized as a vaccine.
>
> Do you have any current data on your above
> statement? Or are you just sharing your opinion?
>
> I ask, because death rate for the commie flu are
> now very low.
>
> I would love to see the comparison of death rates
> between "from" (NOT WITH) the commie flu and
> from the jab.
>
> So far in the states, over 4000 have been reported
> to have died from the jab, with an estimate of only
> about 13% reporting.
>
> Also, mRNA therapies have shown a lot of
> Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) in the
> past and there have not been a long enough
> time period. And this inofrmatino is not beinf

It's a vaccine.

Part of the job of the WHO, is to try to encourage
common terminologies.

World Health Organization website:

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/vaccines-and-immunization-what-is-vaccination?adgroupsurvey={adgroupsurvey}&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0oS-u6mN8gIV9XNvBB0StQshEAAYASAAEgJNXfD_BwE

"What is vaccination?

Vaccines train your immune system to create antibodies,
just as it does when it is exposed to a disease."

*******

The diagram each scientist produces, is a measure of
his or her interests.

This first diagram, concentrates on the initial "cell-hijacking"
method of producing loose S-protein which has encoded, a modified
limited section of spike protein. (One of the amino acids is replaced
with an analog of it, to avoid some side effect they knew about in
advance. The spike protein also has other edits done to it. The proprietary
vaccines have already been reverse-engineered by others, so the
exact sequence is known.)

https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1007%2Fs40588-021-00162-y/MediaObjects/40588_2021_162_Fig2_HTML.png?as=webp

( https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s40588-021-00162-y.pdf )

*******

This second picture, shows more of the bodily response. The bottom half
of the diagram, shows the various portions of the immune system being
trained by the S-protein.

[Save to disk...]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7218962/bin/medscimonit-26-e924700-g001.jpg

( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7218962/ )

You would need to do a significant amount of web searches, to
decode all the various pieces in the bottom section of that
diagram (CD4, CD8, macrophage cells, memory B cells). One part
of that diagram, contains the memory portion that keeps the
training information for future infections, for when
production of specific antibodies is required. This is how
the body is "faster off the mark, the second time".

Now, if you compare the two diagrams, you can see the scientists
kinda "dissed" the non-specialty part of the diagram. The first
diagram does a terrible job of representing the immune system
response. When all I had was the first diagram, I was kinda scratching
my head what they had in mind. The second diagram, bottom half, is
crystal by comparison.

Paul

In article <sea07f$uh4$2@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>
> The big problem is a lot of this information
> is not being disclosed.

everything is being disclosed. nothing is being withheld.

the big problem is that a lot of people believe conspiracy theories and
quack doctors and reject reality.

In article <sea05o$uh4$1@dont-email.me>, <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> > Vaccines are MUCH safer than getting Covid.
>
> It is not a vaccine. It is an mRNA Therapy
> (the "Jab") being mischaracterized as a vaccine.

the two mrna vaccines are vaccines. full stop.

but if mrna isn't your thing, there are several other covid vaccines
that use older methods, including johnson&johnson, astrazeneca,
novovax, sinopharm and a couple of others.

> Do you have any current data on your above
> statement? Or are you just sharing your opinion?

for mrna, there is extensive data that dates back more than 30 years.

> I ask, because death rate for the commie flu are
> now very low.

deaths are a lagging indicator.

cases and hospitalizations are rapidly climbing, especially in florida.
deaths will soon follow in a few weeks. deaths are actually starting to
climb already, doubling in the past month in florida.

death is not the only negative outcome. being sick for a week or two,
or worse, being hospitalized is not good, plus many people have long
term covid long after they recover, which is really not good.

> I would love to see the comparison of death rates
> between "from" (NOT WITH) the commie flu and
> from the jab.

deaths from covid are orders of magnitude higher than from the vaccine.

> So far in the states, over 4000 have been reported
> to have died from the jab, with an estimate of only
> about 13% reporting.

that number is baseless, but even assuming it's correct, 4000 deaths
out of 300 million jabs is a *lot* less than 630,000 deaths out of 36
million covid cases.

> Also, mRNA therapies have shown a lot of
> Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) in the
> past and there have not been a long enough
> time period. And this inofrmatino is not beinf

nope.

<https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/91648>
So far, there have been no reports of ADE with COVID-19 vaccines.
....
From the early stages of COVID-19 vaccine development, scientists
sought to target a SARS-CoV-2 protein that was least likely to
cause ADE. For example, when they found out that targeting the
nucleoprotein of SARS-CoV-2 might cause ADE, they quickly abandoned
that approach. The safest route seemed to be targeting the S2 subunit
of the spike protein, and they ran with that, wrote Derek Lowe, PhD,
in his Science Translational Medicine blog "In the Pipeline."

Scientists designed animal studies to look for ADE. They looked for
it in human trials, and they've been looking for it in the real-world
data for COVID-19 vaccines with emergency use authorization. So far,
they haven't seen signs of it. In fact, the opposite is happening,
Lowe noted.

"[W]hat seems to be beyond doubt is that the vaccinated subjects,
over and over, show up with no severe coronavirus cases and no
hospitalizations. That is the opposite of what you would expect if
ADE were happening," he wrote.

Furthermore, ADE is an acute problem, and it can be very dramatic.
If it was an issue with these vaccines, we would have spotted it by
now, said Brian Lichty, PhD, an associate professor in pathology and
molecular medicine at McMaster University in Toronto.

On 2021-08-03, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> the big problem is that a lot of people believe conspiracy theories and
> quack doctors and reject reality.

Do you believe the lack of long-term testing or FDA approval for these
mRNA therapies to be a "conspiracy theory"?

I would not consider accepting any type of vaccine that did not have full
FDA approval at the very least.

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On 8/2/21 9:27 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
> Do you believe the lack of long-term testing or FDA approval for these
> mRNA therapies to be a "conspiracy theory"?

Hi Rodger,

No I believe it is/was a gamble. Rush something out and save
a lot of people and risk the consequences of not testing
or wait and lose a lot of people. It is not a position
I'd want to be in.

I look for real science papers, especially randomized clinical trials.
Unfortunately, this issue has been
politicized and it never should have been.

I reject opinion pieces, no matter how many PhD's
they have after their names. Everyone has to follow
the scientific method. Pulling crap out your ear does
not qualify.

> I would not consider accepting any type of vaccine that did not have full
> FDA approval at the very least.

And they sometimes it takes 10 years for them to pull a
bad one.

Based on the research papers I have read, I will
never take an mRNA Therapy jab. I would consider
a real vaccine, maybe, if they can prove it works
and it had a good track record, like the polio
and small pox vaccines do.

My biggest gripe about all this is the withholding
of information by the Gleichschaltung crowd. Folks
need to make an informed decision. My body; my
choice.

Some of the information being withheld from the
public: Randomized Clinical Trials on both
Ivermectin and Yu Peng Feng (Jade Wind Screen).

As far as the "conspiracy theory" crowd goes,
it is sad they they are not following science on
this.

And for those that have politicize this,
they probably have done multiples more damage
than the tinfoil hat crowd. They do not
follow science either, but claim that they do.
Trofim Lysenko was political hack, not a scientist.

And Gleichschaltung is evil.

-T

On 8/2/21 5:18 PM, Paul wrote:
> T wrote:
>> On 8/1/21 6:26 PM, boB wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:17:30 -0400, Rabid Roach <rabid@roa.ch> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But nospamipedia and its infinite wealth of knowledge told me the
>>>> vaccines are safe!
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9480051/Medical-student-21-died-day-getting-J-J-vaccine.html>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/39-year-old-dies-after-astrazeneca-vaccine-a-second-dose-following-sinovac>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.the-sun.com/news/2305200/doctor-dies-36-others-develop-rare-blood-disorder-vaccines/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.chiangraitimes.com/thailand-national-news/woman-dies-after-second-vaccine-dose-under-mix-and-match-program/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://globalnews.ca/news/7835081/alberta-woman-death-astrazeneca-covid-vaccine/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <https://greekreporter.com/2021/06/18/greek-woman-dies-after-second-pfizer-vaccine/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Had these people never gotten the vaccine, they would still be alive
>>>> today. But remember to do the right thing and get vaccinated, people!
>>>>
>>>> NOSPAMIPEDIA DEMANDS IT!
>>>
>>>
>>> Vaccines are MUCH safer than getting Covid.
>>
>> It is not a vaccine.  It is an mRNA Therapy
>> (the "Jab") being mischaracterized as a vaccine.
>>
>> Do you have any current data on your above
>> statement?  Or are you just sharing your opinion?
>>
>> I ask, because death rate for the commie flu are
>> now very low.
>>
>> I would love to see the comparison of death rates
>> between "from" (NOT WITH) the commie flu and
>> from the jab.
>>
>> So far in the states, over 4000 have been reported
>> to have died from the jab, with an estimate of only
>> about 13% reporting.
>>
>> Also, mRNA therapies have shown a lot of
>> Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) in the
>> past and there have not been a long enough
>> time period.  And this inofrmatino is not beinf
>
> It's a vaccine.
>
> Part of the job of the WHO, is to try to encourage
> common terminologies.
>
> World Health Organization website:
>
> https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/vaccines-and-immunization-what-is-vaccination?adgroupsurvey={adgroupsurvey}&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0oS-u6mN8gIV9XNvBB0StQshEAAYASAAEgJNXfD_BwE
>
>
>   "What is vaccination?
>
>    Vaccines train your immune system to create antibodies,
>    just as it does when it is exposed to a disease."
>
> *******
>
> The diagram each scientist produces, is a measure of
> his or her interests.
>
> This first diagram, concentrates on the initial "cell-hijacking"
> method of producing loose S-protein which has encoded, a modified
> limited section of spike protein. (One of the amino acids is replaced
> with an analog of it, to avoid some side effect they knew about in
> advance. The spike protein also has other edits done to it. The proprietary
> vaccines have already been reverse-engineered by others, so the
> exact sequence is known.)
>
> https://media.springernature.com/lw685/springer-static/image/art%3A10.1007%2Fs40588-021-00162-y/MediaObjects/40588_2021_162_Fig2_HTML.png?as=webp
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> ( https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s40588-021-00162-y.pdf )
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> This second picture, shows more of the bodily response. The bottom half
> of the diagram, shows the various portions of the immune system being
> trained by the S-protein.
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> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7218962/bin/medscimonit-26-e924700-g001.jpg" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7218962/bin/medscimonit-26-e924700-g001.jpg
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> ( https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7218962/ )
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> You would need to do a significant amount of web searches, to
> decode all the various pieces in the bottom section of that
> diagram (CD4, CD8, macrophage cells, memory B cells). One part
> of that diagram, contains the memory portion that keeps the
> training information for future infections, for when
> production of specific antibodies is required. This is how
> the body is "faster off the mark, the second time".
>
> Now, if you compare the two diagrams, you can see the scientists
> kinda "dissed" the non-specialty part of the diagram. The first
> diagram does a terrible job of representing the immune system
> response. When all I had was the first diagram, I was kinda scratching
> my head what they had in mind. The second diagram, bottom half, is
> crystal by comparison.
>
>    Paul

Hi Paul,

I will give your that an mRNA therapy acts some
what like a vaccine.

But mRNA Therapy still lacks the inclusion of some
or all the culprit so your body can create it's
own antibodies against the culprit. Not the
fake ones mRNA Therapy jabs create and don't
stick around. This is why it is not a vaccine.
Vaccine like, maybe.

mRNA therapy is fascinating stuff for sure. But
it has a very bad track record.

I saw a documentary on how the immune system works
a few years ago. I don't remember what it was
called, but a layman's descriptions would be that a
virus is covered with a bunch of locks (like door
locks). The immune system tries to pick these
locks by trying trillions and trillions of keys
in the lock holes. Once it find a match, it leave
the key in the lock with a flag on its end. Then
they immune system opens up a YUGE can of woop
ass on whatever is attached to the flags.

The current two jobs mRNA Therapy only artificially
creates two flags. And they don't stick around.
And some folks bodies actually attack the therapy,
sometimes killing the human. And other failed mRNA
attempts have had to be shutdown due to the therapy
creating Antibody Enhancement Dependance or ADE (what
a weird name), meaning your body loses the ability
to create its own antibodies against the intended
target of the therapy. Which mean you are a dead
man walking.

I sincerely hope ADE somehow does not kick in on
this one, like it has on previous ones and kills
millions. And if it does start to kick in, if
someone can come up with some kind of booster one
every years for life for ADE victims.

I would not want to be in the shoes of the folks
who pushed out this untested therapy on humans
in a mass clinical trial. The choice was to
rush it out and potential save a bunch of folks
whilst risking the consequences of not testing or
wait and watch a bunch of folks die.

18 months from now, we will know. I hope you are
still around my friend. If not, I am going to
repeat my threat of digging you up and making
you answer my Windows questions!

Paul, I can not tell you how much I want to be
wrong and everyone with the jab turns out okay.
Oh my God I hope I am wrong.

-T