On 2024-01-29, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 22:15:08 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-01-28, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:31:38 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would also love a more effective conservative in the White House.
>>>> With Trump, it was four years of "I'm trying to do something but
>>>> they're stopping me." The very fact that he did absolutely nothing
>>>> about Section 230 in particuler, when the platforms were censoring
>>>> anyone with a conservative though, was where I started thinking that
>>>> he was all talk, no walk.
>>>
>>> I'm a little dubious about 'conservatives'. I'm more in line with Pat
>>> Buchanan and the self styled paleo-conservatives than the mainstream
>>> variety. Too many are in love with perpetual war.
>>>
>>> The news this morning was some US troops killed in a Jordan base. Why
>>> are they skulking around Jordan?
>>
>> Or Syria? Or Iraq?
>
>
> Or Turkey, or Germany, or...

I think we have some 800 bases all over the world. Why?

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On 2024-01-29 3:11 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-01-29, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-01-28 17:14, RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-28, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-27 22:06, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:13:43 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's incredible, though, that such a manifestly corrupt (for decades)
>>>>>> wealthy bastard is supported by enough people, after all the crap he
>>>>>> pulled, to be in striking distance of the presidency, again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be happy if the GOP could come up with a version of Trump without
>>>>> the baggage and who would be more effective in the White House.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://jacobin.com/2024/01/ron-desantis-2024-presidential-election
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacobin has as good an analysis of DeSantis as any. Haley is McCain in
>>>>> drag. This state will go red regardless of my vote so I may skip the
>>>>> presidential line completely or check whatever nut job the Libertarians
>>>>> round up.
>>>>> the real fun in this state will be the GOP primary. The GOP has been
>>>>> grooming Sheehy but Rosendale has registered and is campaigning with
>>>>> Gaetz. Rosendale has alleged, and I believe him, that the GOP including
>>>>> the Republican Senator Daines are trying to derail him. Our primary is in
>>>>> June so there will be plenty of time to sling mud.
>>>>
>>>> I would also love a more effective conservative in the White House. With
>>>> Trump, it was four years of "I'm trying to do something but they're
>>>> stopping me." The very fact that he did absolutely nothing about Section
>>>> 230 in particuler, when the platforms were censoring anyone with a
>>>> conservative though, was where I started thinking that he was all talk,
>>>> no walk.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I know. A lot of talk and bluster, not a lot accomplished. Still, a
>>> lot better than the senile puppet the Deep State controls in the White House
>>> now.
>>>
>>> Who do you think would make a better "conservative" president? Haley is a
>>> neo-CON, DeSantis is a closet neo-CON, Ramaswamy threw in with Pfizer and
>>> Big Pharma. I wouldn't vote for any of them.
>>>
>>> I might vote for Tulsi Gabbard, even though she falls for some of the Woke
>>> BS, like global warming. (Oh, that's right, it's winter, so I guess it's
>>> "climate change" right now.) At least she seems honest and seems to care
>>> about Americans and doesn't support all our idiot wars.
>>
>> Had Mike Pence not said that it was important for the United States to
>> defend Ukraine and even expressed that he cares more about that country
>> than he does the United States, I would have been rooting for him among
>> the people who were candidates However, I probably would have picked
>> DeSantis. However, if all Republicans in Congress were an option, I'd
>> pick the one guy who actually voted against lockdowns. I don't recall
>> his name at the moment though.
>
> I don't like Mike Pence. He seems "off" to me. I liked DeSantis before he
> began campaigning for president. But I got to see him when things weren't
> going his way and he seemed petulant.
>
> Are you thinking of Rand Paul? He's a doctor, so he would know better than
> most.

I like Rand Paul, but he did nothing to get Americans out of the lockdown.

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rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:31:38 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>> I would also love a more effective conservative in the White House. With
>> Trump, it was four years of "I'm trying to do something but they're
>> stopping me." The very fact that he did absolutely nothing about Section
>> 230 in particuler, when the platforms were censoring anyone with a
>> conservative though, was where I started thinking that he was all talk,
>> no walk.
>
> I'm a little dubious about 'conservatives'. I'm more in line with Pat
> Buchanan and the self styled paleo-conservatives than the mainstream
> variety. Too many are in love with perpetual war.

What about "Bomb 'em all" Bolton?

> The news this morning was some US troops killed in a Jordan base. Why are
> they skulking around Jordan?

That's classified information bwah!

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> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:57:07 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> On 1/28/2024 1:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>> The news this morning was some US troops killed in a Jordan base. Why
>>> are they skulking around Jordan?
>>
>> This is an "Iran-backed" Sunday :-))
>
> Yeah, and Iran launched 3 new sats. One is a research sat but the other
> two may help improve missile accuracy. Fun times. The US has the opinion
> that Iran consists of a bunch of camel herders like Iraq. This may be a
> mistake both for technology and will.

We used to keep tabs on Iran's nuclear program, but some dumbass canceled that
deal.

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> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:46:56 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:
>
>> Because Trump didn't actually defeat ISIS. They're in Syria.
>
> ISIS, that friendly organization Obama created while trying to destabilize
> Assad's government? What goes around comes around.

ISIS was ramping up before Obama; and "Obama" killed thousands of ISIS
members.

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Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear--not absence of fear. Except a
creature be part coward it is not a compliment to say it is brave; it is merely
a loose misapplication of the word. Consider the flea!--incomparably the
bravest of all the creatures of God, if ignorance of fear were courage.
Whether you are asleep or awake he will attack you, caring nothing for the fact
that in bulk and strength you are to him as are the massed armies of the earth
to a sucking child; he lives both day and night and all days and nights in the
very lap of peril and the immediate presence of death, and yet is no more
afraid than is the man who walks the streets of a city that was threatened by
an earthquake ten centuries before. When we speak of Clive, Nelson, and Putnam
as men who "didn't know what fear was," we ought always to add the flea--and
put him at the head of the procession.
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Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:46:56 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:
>>
>>> Because Trump didn't actually defeat ISIS. They're in Syria.
>>
>> ISIS, that friendly organization Obama created while trying to destabilize
>> Assad's government? What goes around comes around.
>
>ISIS was ramping up before Obama; and "Obama" killed thousands of ISIS
>members.

Presidents are mostly along for the ride. Soleimani was an exception
to that, of course.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:39:30 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
<r0mdnYKqC_wveCv4nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:

> Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 1/28/2024 5:02 PM, vallor wrote:
>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:31:38 -0500, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og>
>>> wrote in <ezttN.38363$Wbff.24091@fx37.iad>:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-01-27 22:06, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:13:43 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's incredible, though, that such a manifestly corrupt (for
>>>>>> decades)
>>>>>> wealthy bastard is supported by enough people, after all the crap
>>>>>> he pulled, to be in striking distance of the presidency, again.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be happy if the GOP could come up with a version of Trump
>>>>> without the baggage and who would be more effective in the White
>>>>> House.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://jacobin.com/2024/01/ron-desantis-2024-presidential-election
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacobin has as good an analysis of DeSantis as any. Haley is McCain
>>>>> in drag. This state will go red regardless of my vote so I may skip
>>>>> the presidential line completely or check whatever nut job the
>>>>> Libertarians round up.
>>>>> the real fun in this state will be the GOP primary. The GOP has been
>>>>> grooming Sheehy but Rosendale has registered and is campaigning with
>>>>> Gaetz. Rosendale has alleged, and I believe him, that the GOP
>>>>> including the Republican Senator Daines are trying to derail him.
>>>>> Our primary is in June so there will be plenty of time to sling mud.
>>>>
>>>> I would also love a more effective conservative in the White House.
>>>> With Trump, it was four years of "I'm trying to do something but
>>>> they're stopping me." The very fact that he did absolutely nothing
>>>> about Section 230 in particuler, when the platforms were censoring
>>>> anyone with a conservative though, was where I started thinking that
>>>> he was all talk, no walk.
>>>
>>> Hey %,
>>>
>>> Can you rein in your fellow crazy Canadian?
>>>
>>> I think _he_ thinks he's American.  Or maybe, that is his ultimate
>>> desire: perhaps, to immigrate to Mississippi,
>>> or Texas, or...?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Vallor, my dick is more "American" than you and your ilk. You don't
>> have to concern yourself with my dick all the time. In fact it's not
>> your business.
>
> ok i guess he was talking about you

No, I don't even read that clown.

I meant "RabidPedagog".

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On 2024-01-29 11:38 a.m., vallor wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 16:39:30 -0700, % <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote in
> <r0mdnYKqC_wveCv4nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@giganews.com>:
>
>> Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 1/28/2024 5:02 PM, vallor wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:31:38 -0500, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og>
>>>> wrote in <ezttN.38363$Wbff.24091@fx37.iad>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-01-27 22:06, rbowman wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:13:43 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's incredible, though, that such a manifestly corrupt (for
>>>>>>> decades)
>>>>>>> wealthy bastard is supported by enough people, after all the crap
>>>>>>> he pulled, to be in striking distance of the presidency, again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would be happy if the GOP could come up with a version of Trump
>>>>>> without the baggage and who would be more effective in the White
>>>>>> House.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://jacobin.com/2024/01/ron-desantis-2024-presidential-election
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacobin has as good an analysis of DeSantis as any. Haley is McCain
>>>>>> in drag. This state will go red regardless of my vote so I may skip
>>>>>> the presidential line completely or check whatever nut job the
>>>>>> Libertarians round up.
>>>>>> the real fun in this state will be the GOP primary. The GOP has been
>>>>>> grooming Sheehy but Rosendale has registered and is campaigning with
>>>>>> Gaetz. Rosendale has alleged, and I believe him, that the GOP
>>>>>> including the Republican Senator Daines are trying to derail him.
>>>>>> Our primary is in June so there will be plenty of time to sling mud.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also love a more effective conservative in the White House.
>>>>> With Trump, it was four years of "I'm trying to do something but
>>>>> they're stopping me." The very fact that he did absolutely nothing
>>>>> about Section 230 in particuler, when the platforms were censoring
>>>>> anyone with a conservative though, was where I started thinking that
>>>>> he was all talk, no walk.
>>>>
>>>> Hey %,
>>>>
>>>> Can you rein in your fellow crazy Canadian?
>>>>
>>>> I think _he_ thinks he's American.  Or maybe, that is his ultimate
>>>> desire: perhaps, to immigrate to Mississippi,
>>>> or Texas, or...?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Vallor, my dick is more "American" than you and your ilk. You don't
>>> have to concern yourself with my dick all the time. In fact it's not
>>> your business.
>>
>> ok i guess he was talking about you
>
> No, I don't even read that clown.
>
> I meant "RabidPedagog".

I don't think I am American and don't wish to be one either. However, I
pay attention to what's going on there because I know that whatever
problems the country faces will eventually make their way here. I am
also free to empathize with Americans and their plight.

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On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 10:31:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> What about "Bomb 'em all" Bolton?

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4435396-john-bolton-calls-for-
disproportionate-strikes-inside-iran-after-us-deaths/

That asshole? The US screwed up in 1953 and keeps digging the hole deeper.
If I were king the only country in the Mideast that I would want to have
friendly relations with is Iran.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 08:11:32 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Are you thinking of Rand Paul? He's a doctor, so he would know better
> than most.

Rand is okay as far as he goes but he is not Ron.

On 1/29/2024 9:33 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:57:07 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/28/2024 1:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>> The news this morning was some US troops killed in a Jordan base. Why
>>>> are they skulking around Jordan?
>>>
>>> This is an "Iran-backed" Sunday :-))
>>
>> Yeah, and Iran launched 3 new sats. One is a research sat but the other
>> two may help improve missile accuracy. Fun times. The US has the opinion
>> that Iran consists of a bunch of camel herders like Iraq. This may be a
>> mistake both for technology and will.
>
> We used to keep tabs on Iran's nuclear program, but some dumbass canceled that
> deal.
>

Iran is not your problem. The world is. That's why your navy is all over
the globe. But ... I think your future is clear to see. Britain
experienced it too.

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> On 1/29/2024 9:33 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 13:57:07 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/28/2024 1:43 PM, rbowman wrote:
>>>>> The news this morning was some US troops killed in a Jordan base. Why
>>>>> are they skulking around Jordan?
>>>>
>>>> This is an "Iran-backed" Sunday :-))
>>>
>>> Yeah, and Iran launched 3 new sats. One is a research sat but the other
>>> two may help improve missile accuracy. Fun times. The US has the opinion
>>> that Iran consists of a bunch of camel herders like Iraq. This may be a
>>> mistake both for technology and will.
>>
>> We used to keep tabs on Iran's nuclear program, but some dumbass canceled that
>> deal.
>
> Iran is not your problem. The world is. That's why your navy is all over
> the globe. But ... I think your future is clear to see. Britain
> experienced it too.

Nothing lasts forever.

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On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 02:16:14 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> Iran is not your problem. The world is. That's why your navy is all over
> the globe. But ... I think your future is clear to see. Britain
> experienced it too.

The US problems with Iran started when it stepped in to handle what
Britain no longer had the will or ability to do. APOC, later AIOC, had
been screwing the country for decades. They could have worked out an
equitable deal but chose to overthrow the government.

That was sort of a trial run for US hegemony and its attempt to play the
Great Game.

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 07:38:05 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Nothing lasts forever.

Setting aside the failed third world governments the US may achieve a new
record for transience. I doubt it will be celebrating a tricentennial.

On 1/30/2024 1:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 02:16:14 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>> Iran is not your problem. The world is. That's why your navy is all over
>> the globe. But ... I think your future is clear to see. Britain
>> experienced it too.
>
> The US problems with Iran started when it stepped in to handle what
> Britain no longer had the will or ability to do. APOC, later AIOC, had
> been screwing the country for decades. They could have worked out an
> equitable deal but chose to overthrow the government.
>
> That was sort of a trial run for US hegemony and its attempt to play the
> Great Game.

Americans have had their own reasons to sabotage any progress in Iran,
beginning much earlier than that coup in 1953.

Here is a quote from your secretary of state:

" Likewise, from a more directly selfish point of view, it is to our
interest that no great power be established on the Persian Gulf opposite
the important American petroleum development in Saudi Arabia. Therefore,
the United States should adopt a policy of positive action in Iran."

- Cordell Hull, August 1943

On Tue, 30 Jan 2024 19:59:31 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> " Likewise, from a more directly selfish point of view, it is to our
> interest that no great power be established on the Persian Gulf opposite
> the important American petroleum development in Saudi Arabia. Therefore,
> the United States should adopt a policy of positive action in Iran."

Yeah, so the US gets to deal with the fucking Saudis. I wouldn't buy a
used camel from Salman. I haven't used in a long time but at one time i
was fluent in Forth. You could make real money working on the automation
system at the King Khaled Airport. Ain't that much money in the world.