On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:26:51 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
>
>> Vaccines are not one of them. There are certain things you cannot
>> short-circuit, and with a vaccine trial, it's time.
>
>You're half right. We haven't discovered some miracle way to make vaccine
>trials go faster with modern technology.
>
>However, my response is simple: what part of "emergency use authorization"
>don't you understand? If you don't *have* the time, because there aren't
>enough ventilators to go around to keep the population from dying like flies,
>then not conducting vaccine trials to the same high standards as would be
>the case for a less serious disease that is less widespread... is a rational
>course of action.
>
>One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.
>
>John Savard

I doubt the antivaxxers reason.
--
Jim

On 2022-07-25, Argot Brogue <y@gb.sm> wrote:

> Reducing men and women with innate rights to "population" object
> to justify nonsense.

Why not? They've already been reduced to "consumers".

History has told us time and again that once you've de-humanized
a group of people, you're free to do all sorts of things to them.

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On 2022-07-25, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:26:51 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>
>>
>>One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.
>>
>>John Savard
>
> I doubt the antivaxxers reason.
> --
> Jim

I doubt whether many provaxers remain, except those who would like a
continuing income stream.

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On 2022-07-25, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-07-25, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:26:51 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.
>>>
>>>John Savard
>>
>> I doubt the antivaxxers reason.
>> --
>> Jim
>
> I doubt whether many provaxers remain, except those who would like a
> continuing income stream.
>
>

After all, it must be very hard to justify decisions who most ardent
supporters now consider to have been a vast waste of money and time :)

For future efforts to frighten people to death, I would recommend
reading the `I Ching'

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On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:50:35 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
<cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>On 2022-07-25, Argot Brogue <y@gb.sm> wrote:
>
>> Reducing men and women with innate rights to "population" object
>> to justify nonsense.
>
>Why not? They've already been reduced to "consumers".
>
>History has told us time and again that once you've de-humanized
>a group of people, you're free to do all sorts of things to them.

You would think the trolls would demand better pay, they certainly
post lots of nonsense.
--
Jim

On 25 Jul 2022 15:56:19 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2022-07-25, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:26:51 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>><jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.
>>>
>>>John Savard
>>
>> I doubt the antivaxxers reason.
>> --
>> Jim
>
>I doubt whether many provaxers remain, except those who would like a
>continuing income stream.

The provaxers are alive, many of the antivaxers are dead.
--
Jim

On 25 Jul 2022 16:45:24 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> After all, it must be very hard to justify decisions who most ardent
> supporters now consider to have been a vast waste of money and time :)

What are you talking about ? I've yet to encounter anyone who
seriously thinks the vaccinations were a waste of time and money.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2022-07-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2022 16:45:24 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> After all, it must be very hard to justify decisions who most ardent
>> supporters now consider to have been a vast waste of money and time :)
>
> What are you talking about ? I've yet to encounter anyone who
> seriously thinks the vaccinations were a waste of time and money.
>a
I will look for the citation. In our own fair country, the top vacciner
seems to be having doubths.

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If not, send us all your money."

On 25 Jul 2022 19:25:03 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> On 2022-07-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On 25 Jul 2022 16:45:24 GMT
> > maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> >
> >> After all, it must be very hard to justify decisions who most ardent
> >> supporters now consider to have been a vast waste of money and time :)
> >
> > What are you talking about ? I've yet to encounter anyone who
> > seriously thinks the vaccinations were a waste of time and money.
> >a
> I will look for the citation. In our own fair country, the top vacciner
> seems to be having doubths.

Not very serious ones it seems, the second booster option is being
extended downwards in age.

The way I see it is the hospitals were on the verge of meltdown, we
went into a series of lockdowns and got most of us vaccinated, we released
the lockdowns and the hospitals didn't melt down.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2022-07-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2022 19:25:03 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> > On 25 Jul 2022 16:45:24 GMT
>> > maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> After all, it must be very hard to justify decisions who most ardent
>> >> supporters now consider to have been a vast waste of money and time :)
>> >
>> > What are you talking about ? I've yet to encounter anyone who
>> > seriously thinks the vaccinations were a waste of time and money.
>> >a
>> I will look for the citation. In our own fair country, the top vacciner
>> seems to be having doubths.
>
> Not very serious ones it seems, the second booster option is being
> extended downwards in age.

the main trouble at the moment is that so many have been fooled into
getting the vaccine that they have the feeling that they will look
stupid when it turns out it was all a con.

>
> The way I see it is the hospitals were on the verge of meltdown, we
> went into a series of lockdowns and got most of us vaccinated, we released
> the lockdowns and the hospitals didn't melt down.
>

According to those who must be obeyed, over 90% of people in Ireland
have been vaccinated, highest in the world, yet infections continue to
happen. As I wrote before, if I had animals and had bought vaccine for
some disease, and had it injected, and the animals continued to have
that disease, I would like to get my money back.

About overfilling hospitals, there are several old hospitals in Dublin
that remained empty until the equally spurious Ukranian refugees
arrived, then they old hospitals were hurriedly reopened. Sir Patrick
Dunns, Richmond, Adelaide, one along Dawson street that I was sent to
overnight once and several others. Ennis Hospital, Co. Clare, of
dubious fame, was never full. Several retirement homes were cleared of
patients, and never refilled.

I think the Chinese government recently have proved that lockdowns do
not stop the spread of disease.

Rant, Rant, rant, fading into the distance.

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maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-07-25, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:26:51 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.
>>>
>>> John Savard
>>
>> I doubt the antivaxxers reason.
>> --
>> Jim
>
> I doubt whether many provaxers remain, except those who would like a
> continuing income stream.
>
>

That’s a fairly stupid statement, since something like 70% of the
population has been vaccinated, and I doubt if many of us regret our
decision.

--
Pete

On 2022-07-25, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> According to those who must be obeyed, over 90% of people in Ireland
> have been vaccinated, highest in the world, yet infections continue to
> happen. As I wrote before, if I had animals and had bought vaccine for
> some disease, and had it injected, and the animals continued to have
> that disease, I would like to get my money back.

That just means that the vaccines aren't perfect. In the world that
I live in, nothing is perfect. The vaccines do help tip the odds in
your favour, though.

Life is a gamble. Deal with it.

--
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> On 25 Jul 2022 16:45:24 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> After all, it must be very hard to justify decisions who most ardent
>> supporters now consider to have been a vast waste of money and time :)
>
> What are you talking about ? I've yet to encounter anyone who
> seriously thinks the vaccinations were a waste of time and money.

I think you just responded to one.

Don't waste your time is my advice.

--
Dan Espen

On 7/25/22 15:55, Peter Flass wrote:
> That’s a fairly stupid statement, since something like 70% of the
> population has been vaccinated, and I doubt if many of us regret our
> decision.

Except for all the ones who were killed by the vax. How much would you
wager that they regretted their decisions?

-- Argot Brogue

On 7/25/22 17:52, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> That just means that the vaccines aren't perfect. In the world that
> I live in, nothing is perfect. The vaccines do help tip the odds in
> your favour, though.

Your magical thinking is quite amusing.

--

Argot Brogue

On 7/25/22 12:29, D.J. wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Jul 2022 15:50:35 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
> <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-25, Argot Brogue <y@gb.sm> wrote:
>>
>>> Reducing men and women with innate rights to "population" object
>>> to justify nonsense.
>>
>> Why not? They've already been reduced to "consumers".
>>
>> History has told us time and again that once you've de-humanized
>> a group of people, you're free to do all sorts of things to them.
>
> You would think the trolls would demand better pay, they certainly
> post lots of nonsense.
> --
> Jim

Said like a textbook bugman.

--

Argot Brogue

On 7/25/22 13:09, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On 25 Jul 2022 16:45:24 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> After all, it must be very hard to justify decisions who most ardent
>> supporters now consider to have been a vast waste of money and time :)
>
> What are you talking about ? I've yet to encounter anyone who
> seriously thinks the vaccinations were a waste of time and money.
>

At least now we know you live in a bubble. Stay there. Ignorance is bliss.

--

Argot Brogue

On 7/25/22 12:30, D.J. wrote:
> The provaxers are alive, many of the antivaxers are dead.

Do you mean like all the antivaxxers who died from cardiac events
shortly after receiving the vax? They were antivaxxers! They were so
antivax they must have died from extremism.

Bugmen like to imagine their way to correctness.

--

Argot Brogue

On 7/18/22 10:28, Quadibloc wrote:
> You present zero evidence of that. Historical mistakes in
> reacting to disease do not invalidate current medical
> science.
> Your assertiions, based on no evidence, only political
> paranoia, do not outweigh information from credible sources
> when people face a potential threat to their lives.
>
> John Savard

You are shifting the burden of proof. This is a common tactic of people
entrenched in a corrupt or cultic belief system. This kind of
nonsensical flawed debate tactic probably seems quite normal to you.

I don't need to prove the virus doesn't exist. The burden of proof was,
is, and remains on you who claim that a virus is ravaging humanity and
putting us all in mortal peril. Scaremongering is not proof.

You need to prove that it does exist. You and your friends in the
imperial regime are claiming that a virus exists that is a extreme
mortal danger. Zero proof of the existence of this virus has ever been
provided. We even have a letter from the CDC stating that no isolate of
the virus exists. No isolate means nada, zip, zilch evidence. Them's the
rules of bona fide scientific inquiry.

Instead of shifting the burden of proof you need to realize you are
living in a delusional cult that believes in the virus fairy.

--

Auntie Wirus

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-07-25, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> According to those who must be obeyed, over 90% of people in Ireland
>> have been vaccinated, highest in the world, yet infections continue to
>> happen. As I wrote before, if I had animals and had bought vaccine for
>> some disease, and had it injected, and the animals continued to have
>> that disease, I would like to get my money back.
>
> That just means that the vaccines aren't perfect. In the world that
> I live in, nothing is perfect. The vaccines do help tip the odds in
> your favour, though.
>
> Life is a gamble. Deal with it.
>

Flu shots aren’t perfect, either. I think they’re around 40-50% effective,
but we still get them every year.

--
Pete

Argot Brogue <y@gb.sm> wrote:
> On 7/25/22 15:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>> That’s a fairly stupid statement, since something like 70% of the
>> population has been vaccinated, and I doubt if many of us regret our
>> decision.
>
> Except for all the ones who were killed by the vax. How much would you
> wager that they regretted their decisions?
>

All two of them?

--
Pete

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-25, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> According to those who must be obeyed, over 90% of people in Ireland
>>> have been vaccinated, highest in the world, yet infections continue to
>>> happen. As I wrote before, if I had animals and had bought vaccine for
>>> some disease, and had it injected, and the animals continued to have
>>> that disease, I would like to get my money back.
>>
>> That just means that the vaccines aren't perfect. In the world that
>> I live in, nothing is perfect. The vaccines do help tip the odds in
>> your favour, though.
>>
>> Life is a gamble. Deal with it.
>>
>
> Flu shots aren’t perfect, either. I think they’re around 40-50% effective,
> but we still get them every year.

I do, and from your post I assume you do as well. I'll hazard a guess
"Argot Brogue" doesn't.

On 2022-07-26, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Argot Brogue <y@gb.sm> wrote:
>> On 7/25/22 15:55, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> That’s a fairly stupid statement, since something like 70% of the
>>> population has been vaccinated, and I doubt if many of us regret our
>>> decision.
>>
>> Except for all the ones who were killed by the vax. How much would you
>> wager that they regretted their decisions?
>>
>
> All two of them?
>

I'm bored, you are stupid :)
Lets get back to Cobol

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If not, send us all your money."

On 25 Jul 2022 20:36:57 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2022-07-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 25 Jul 2022 19:25:03 GMT
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-07-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> > On 25 Jul 2022 16:45:24 GMT
>>> > maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> After all, it must be very hard to justify decisions who most ardent
>>> >> supporters now consider to have been a vast waste of money and time :)
>>> >
>>> > What are you talking about ? I've yet to encounter anyone who
>>> > seriously thinks the vaccinations were a waste of time and money.
>>> >a
>>> I will look for the citation. In our own fair country, the top vacciner
>>> seems to be having doubths.
>>
>> Not very serious ones it seems, the second booster option is being
>> extended downwards in age.
>
>the main trouble at the moment is that so many have been fooled into
>getting the vaccine that they have the feeling that they will look
>stupid when it turns out it was all a con.

The fools are the ones who didn't get vaccinated. Many of them dead
fools.

--
Jim

On Mon, 25 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Jul 2022 23:26:51 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
>>
>>> Vaccines are not one of them. There are certain things you cannot
>>> short-circuit, and with a vaccine trial, it's time.
>>
>> You're half right. We haven't discovered some miracle way to make vaccine
>> trials go faster with modern technology.
>>
>> However, my response is simple: what part of "emergency use authorization"
>> don't you understand? If you don't *have* the time, because there aren't
>> enough ventilators to go around to keep the population from dying like flies,
>> then not conducting vaccine trials to the same high standards as would be
>> the case for a less serious disease that is less widespread... is a rational
>> course of action.
>>
>> One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.
>>
>> John Savard
>
> I doubt the antivaxxers reason.

Might be interesting to hear the proper explanation why newborns are
vaccinated, when we know that immunity mechanisms are not yet developed
... so far I have not heard coherent reasoning for this.

If we follow the logic that we are told about the vaccines that their
purpose is to trigger immunity response by indroducing an "weakened"
version of some pathogens ...

This doesn't apply to these MRNA jabs they put into people nowadays.

--
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