On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, maus wrote:

> On 2022-07-19, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 19 Jul 2022 20:02:29 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-19, Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>>>
>>> All agreed, i did not mention chickens, as I would go on and on. One of
>>> the cruelist things I see at the moment is chicken farms. They make
>>> wonderful pets, and if allowed to peck around a garden, produce
>>> wonderful eggs.
>>
>> Chickens will peck each other to death as well. A speck of red on one,
>> all over for that one.
>> --
>
> My daughters are vegetarians.

In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre
Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth

--
₪ BUD ₪

Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, maus wrote:
>
>> On 2022-07-19, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 19 Jul 2022 20:02:29 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-19, Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>> All agreed, i did not mention chickens, as I would go on and on. One of
>>>> the cruelist things I see at the moment is chicken farms. They make
>>>> wonderful pets, and if allowed to peck around a garden, produce
>>>> wonderful eggs.
>>>
>>> Chickens will peck each other to death as well. A speck of red on one,
>>> all over for that one.
>>> --
>>
>> My daughters are vegetarians.
>
> In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre
> Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>

[The author] “considers modern agriculture to be the root cause of slavery,
imperialism, militarism, chronic hunger and disease.” Why not also the
internet and slit ends?

--
Pete

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 10:04:38 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 11:19:00 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>
>>> Nobody sensible denies the existence of covid. It's a mild illness of
>>> the lungs, as is flu and common cold. Combined with overweightness and
>>> other problems, it can, and has, killed.
>>
>> That's... _close_ to the truth. Unless the mainstream news media has been
>> engaging in a systematic campain to distort the truth, however, it is not
>> quite accurate.
>>
>> Absent previous vaccinations against COVID-19, it has a significant chance
>> of causing serious, long-lasting disabilities even in young and healthy people.
>> Loss of the sense of smell, difficulty breathing, difficulty thinking and
>> concentrating.
>>
>> It also has a significant chance of killing even young and healthy people.
>>
>> Combined with overweight or other problems, it is likely to produce serious
>> symptoms that will require a period of hospitalization, involving being connected
>> to a ventilator. And this can happen to the young and healthy as well.
>>
>> Some places, like Italy, at least for a time, _failed_ to avoid what we narrowly
>> did avoid, thanks to masking, lockdowns, and the vaccine: hospitals so overloaded
>> that people who needed treatment with a ventilator couldn't get it, leading to
>> COVID-19 killing a significantly greater proportion of those who were infected.
>>
>> Even here, our hospitals were so overloaded that because discretionary
>> surgeries had to be put off, many people ended up dying from cancer who
>> could have been saved had the pandemic not happened, so that they would
>> have received treatment in time.
>>
>> And it's not over yet. Because the disease has been allowed to spread more than
>> it would have with more conscientious observance of public health measures,
>> new variants have emerged which can evade the vaccines that are currently
>> available. By this fall, we could easily be in a situation similar to that of the
>> earlier part of the pandemic.
>>
>> And things could be _very_ bad this time, specifically because right-wing
>> political elements have created an organized opposition to public-health
>> measures to deal with the ongoing pandemic. By the time they're dramatically
>> proven wrong by events, it will be... not "too late", since the extinction of
>> the human race isn't at issue, but later than it should have been - and indeed
>> too late to have prevented a great many needless deaths.
>
>On the other hand, if the deaths are largely among the unvaccinated, well,
>they made their choice.

The doctors in my area who worked at hospitals said the majority of
the people, last wnter and spring, that were dieing of covid, were
indeed the unvaccinated. Or 99% of them in the hospital. They went on
television and made those statements.

--
Jim

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 20:45:04 +0300
Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:

> In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre
> Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth

It might give them a good laugh if their critical faculties are
intact.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 20:45:04 +0300
> Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>
>> In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre
>> Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>
> It might give them a good laugh if their critical faculties are
> intact.

You read the book? If not, I'd say, your critical faculties are not
intact. It's easy to make fun of things you don't know, nor care to take
deeper look into.

Sure it's much easier not to think and just swallow what you are fed ...

--
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On 2022-07-20, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>
>>>> wonderful pets, and if allowed to peck around a garden, produce
>>>> wonderful eggs.
>>>
>>> Chickens will peck each other to death as well. A speck of red on one,
>>> all over for that one.
>>> --
>>
>> My daughters are vegetarians.
>
> In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre=20
> Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>
> --=20
>=E2=82=AA BUD =E2=82=AA
> --2739015498-960595415-1658339106=:20849--

I would more believe in the Greek saying ``Everything in moderation". I
like vegetables, I like meat, and keep changing they around. Visiting my
daughter No.2, and waiting for a mushroom to cook irritates me. There is
an area nearby where houses are trained and galloped on an artificial
gallop, and walked on an area around on a grassy area nearby, from now
till end september lovely mushrooms grow, natural, flavorsome.
Unfortunately I need a zimmer frame now.

A friend's wife rang me last night, he is losing his mind, and she was
lonely.

When I was young, we had no electricity, no running water, just
parrifin (sp?) lanterns.. Lamp lighting time in the valley?.. Yes, I
remember it, the soft light of the lantern, a couple of rabbits to be
wrapped in in clay and put to the rear of the fire. All we have now is
nothing.

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On 2022-07-20, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> On 2022-07-20, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>>
>>>>> wonderful pets, and if allowed to peck around a garden, produce
>>>>> wonderful eggs.
>>>>
>>>> Chickens will peck each other to death as well. A speck of red on one,
>>>> all over for that one.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> My daughters are vegetarians.
>>
>> In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre=20
>> Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>>
>> --=20
>>=E2=82=AA BUD =E2=82=AA
>> --2739015498-960595415-1658339106=:20849--
>
> I would more believe in the Greek saying ``Everything in moderation". I
> like vegetables, I like meat, and keep changing they around. Visiting my
> daughter No.2, and waiting for a mushroom to cook irritates me. There is
> an area nearby where houses are trained and galloped on an artificial
^^^^^^
Horses. The houses are getting close too.

> gallop, and walked on an area around on a grassy area nearby, from now
> till end september lovely mushrooms grow, natural, flavorsome.
> Unfortunately I need a zimmer frame now.
>
> A friend's wife rang me last night, he is losing his mind, and she was
> lonely.
>
> When I was young, we had no electricity, no running water, just
> parrifin (sp?) lanterns.. Lamp lighting time in the valley?.. Yes, I
> remember it, the soft light of the lantern, a couple of rabbits to be
> wrapped in in clay and put to the rear of the fire. All we have now is
> nothing.
>

Sorry, listening to that woman telling how they are going to lose their
house and field is depressing me.
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If not, send us all your money."

On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:00:08 -0500, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:56:26 -0400, J. Clarke
><jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:05:24 -0500, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:50:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>>maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-07-16, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 06:45:02 -0500, Redneck <spam@red.neck> wrote:
>>>>>>>On 7/15/22 19:16, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>>>>>>being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
>>>>>>>medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> Ignore the troll, I was tempted, Lord, and succumed.
>>>>
>>>>Yep. Another one too stupid to even try to reason with.
>>>
>>>If that fools misinformation causes one death, they should be charged
>>>with murder. Their posts are too literate to be that dumb.
>>
>>So some loon posts lunacy and some idiot listens and gets dead for his
>>trouble and the loon posting lunacy is a murderer? Sorry, we are all
>>responsible for our own decisions, including the idiot who got dead. I
>>realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
>>our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
>>judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>>getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>>big huge city.
>
>I prefer to hold crap posters responsible for their crap.

So you would shut down Reuters?

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 12:21:12 PM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
> Bud Spencer <b...@campo.verano.it> wrote:

> > In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre
> > Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.

> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth

> [The author] “considers modern agriculture to be the root cause of slavery,
> imperialism, militarism, chronic hunger and disease.” Why not also the
> internet and slit ends?

1) Do you mean what we call "split ends" in North America? (This is a problem
women have with their hair, because they wear it long.) Of course agriculture -
not modern agriculture, but ancient agriculture - caused civilization, which caused
the invention of writing, without which we would not have had the Internet, so you
_can_ blame the Internet on agriculture.

2) From context, I had initially supposed that "The Vegetarian Myth" was a
book intended to present the notion that being vegetarian was a bad idea.

That makes sense, as vegans, at least, have trouble getting enough Vitamin B12
without supplements made using modern technology (bacterial cultures), and
while naturally vegetarian animals only need five amino acids, human beings need
eight which their bodies cannot make.

However, if modern agriculture is a bad thing, and we must do without it... then
most of us would *have* to become vegetarians, or at least we would all have to
drastically reduce our consumption of meat.

So the book appears to be written from... a mixed point of view.

John Savard

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 4:33:44 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:00:08 -0500, D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> >I prefer to hold crap posters responsible for their crap.

> So you would shut down Reuters?

I wouldn't shut down Reuters or Associated Press. Shutting down
Rupert Murdoch, on the other hand, sounds attractive...

John Savard

According to Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>
>[The author] “considers modern agriculture to be the root cause of slavery,
>imperialism, militarism, chronic hunger and disease.” Why not also the
>internet and slit ends?

He's probably right, but he's also about 20,000 years too late.

A pre-agricultural diet could feed maybe 1% of the people currently
alive, so there's the detail of killing off the other 99% before we
can return to hunter-gatherer arcadia.

--
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John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:28:25 PM UTC-6, John Levine wrote:

> A pre-agricultural diet could feed maybe 1% of the people currently
> alive, so there's the detail of killing off the other 99% before we
> can return to hunter-gatherer arcadia.

He said _modern_ agriculture, so that doesn't exclude tilling the soil,
it just excludes factory farms and antibiotics.

John Savard

According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:28:25 PM UTC-6, John Levine wrote:
>
>> A pre-agricultural diet could feed maybe 1% of the people currently
>> alive, so there's the detail of killing off the other 99% before we
>> can return to hunter-gatherer arcadia.
>
>He said _modern_ agriculture, so that doesn't exclude tilling the soil,
>it just excludes factory farms and antibiotics.

The main input to modern agriculture is chemical fertilizer, made by
the very energy intensive Haber-Bosch process.

We can have an interesting debate about whether the cost of growing
vast amounts of chemically fertilized corn and soybeans and feeding it
to cattle in feed lots and pigs and chickens in CAFOs is worth the
benefit in cheap meat, but it's a lot more complicated than "don't
use so many antibiotics." (Although I happen to agree that meat
production uses way, way too many of them.)

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

On 20 Jul 2022 19:31:00 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2022-07-20, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>>
>>>>> wonderful pets, and if allowed to peck around a garden, produce
>>>>> wonderful eggs.
>>>>
>>>> Chickens will peck each other to death as well. A speck of red on one,
>>>> all over for that one.
>>>> --
>>>
>>> My daughters are vegetarians.
>>
>> In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre=20
>> Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>>
>> --=20
>>=E2=82=AA BUD =E2=82=AA
>> --2739015498-960595415-1658339106=:20849--
>
>I would more believe in the Greek saying ``Everything in moderation". I
>like vegetables, I like meat, and keep changing they around. Visiting my
>daughter No.2, and waiting for a mushroom to cook irritates me. There is
>an area nearby where houses are trained and galloped on an artificial
>gallop, and walked on an area around on a grassy area nearby, from now
>till end september lovely mushrooms grow, natural, flavorsome.
>Unfortunately I need a zimmer frame now.
>
>A friend's wife rang me last night, he is losing his mind, and she was
>lonely.
>
>When I was young, we had no electricity, no running water, just
>parrifin (sp?) lanterns.. Lamp lighting time in the valley?.. Yes, I
>remember it, the soft light of the lantern, a couple of rabbits to be
>wrapped in in clay and put to the rear of the fire. All we have now is
>nothing.

Without cooked meat, the human brain doesn't develop. Various studies
were done on cave people. Fire and cooked meat led to increased brain
sizes.

I grew up in a part of the US where the electrical grid isn't well
kept up. When it clouded up, my grandmother would get out the
kerosene, she called it coal oil, lamps so we would have light.

In the later part of the Great Depression, my mother, she was eary
teens at the time, wold hunt squirells and other small game to
suppliment their chickens. They had the chickens for meat and eggs.
And a cow for milk.
--
Jim

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 18:33:40 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:00:08 -0500, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:56:26 -0400, J. Clarke
>><jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:05:24 -0500, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:50:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-07-16, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 06:45:02 -0500, Redneck <spam@red.neck> wrote:
>>>>>>>>On 7/15/22 19:16, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>>>>> John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>>>>>>>being spoonfed, I know you are arrogant stooges, and you deserve the
>>>>>>>>medical and political abuse you so slavishly allow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are the liar. Over 1 million dead just in the US from covid
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ignore the troll, I was tempted, Lord, and succumed.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yep. Another one too stupid to even try to reason with.
>>>>
>>>>If that fools misinformation causes one death, they should be charged
>>>>with murder. Their posts are too literate to be that dumb.
>>>
>>>So some loon posts lunacy and some idiot listens and gets dead for his
>>>trouble and the loon posting lunacy is a murderer? Sorry, we are all
>>>responsible for our own decisions, including the idiot who got dead. I
>>>realize that a major thrust of modern liberalism is to protect us from
>>>our own poor judgment and to find someone to blame for our own poor
>>>judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>>>getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>>>big huge city.
>>
>>I prefer to hold crap posters responsible for their crap.
>
>So you would shut down Reuters?

Who ? Oh, I know who they are, but I don't know if the various news
channels I watch use them or not. Unless specifically mentioned.
--
Jim

On Wed, 20 Jul 2022 16:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> That makes sense, as vegans, at least, have trouble getting enough
> Vitamin B12 without supplements made using modern technology (bacterial
> cultures),

So do some farm animals.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2022-07-21, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>>On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:28:25 PM UTC-6, John Levine wrote:
>>
>>> A pre-agricultural diet could feed maybe 1% of the people currently
>>> alive, so there's the detail of killing off the other 99% before we
>>> can return to hunter-gatherer arcadia.
>>
>>He said _modern_ agriculture, so that doesn't exclude tilling the soil,
>>it just excludes factory farms and antibiotics.
>
> The main input to modern agriculture is chemical fertilizer, made by
> the very energy intensive Haber-Bosch process.
>
> We can have an interesting debate about whether the cost of growing
> vast amounts of chemically fertilized corn and soybeans and feeding it
> to cattle in feed lots and pigs and chickens in CAFOs is worth the
> benefit in cheap meat, but it's a lot more complicated than "don't
> use so many antibiotics." (Although I happen to agree that meat
> production uses way, way too many of them.)
>

A lot of cattle feed is not from cereals, but from by-products, maize
gluten, cotton seed, and such. it gets very confusing after a while.

--
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"Are you sure that you can live on your investments after retirement?
If not, send us all your money."

On 2022-07-20, J Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:00:08 -0500, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 17 Jul 2022 11:56:26 -0400, J. Clarke
>><jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:05:24 -0500, D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:50:03 -0400, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>judgment--this is one of the reasons that they are having trouble
>>>getting votes from anybody who doesn't live a sheltered life in some
>>>big huge city.
>>
>>I prefer to hold crap posters responsible for their crap.
>
> So you would shut down Reuters?

Immediately.

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On 2022-07-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 4:33:44 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:00:08 -0500, D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>> >I prefer to hold crap posters responsible for their crap.
>
>> So you would shut down Reuters?
>
> I wouldn't shut down Reuters or Associated Press. Shutting down
> Rupert Murdoch, on the other hand, sounds attractive...
>
> John Savard

Not till we read that latest titillating details about J.Hall and her
family.

I would agree his newspapers are biased, but all papers are.

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On 21 Jul 2022 06:47:14 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> I would agree his newspapers are biased, but all papers are.

Indeed, the only real problem with Murdoch's bias is that he owns
so many of them.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 21 Jul 2022 06:43:15 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> A lot of cattle feed is not from cereals, but from by-products, maize
> gluten, cotton seed, and such. it gets very confusing after a while.

<ooh chance to drift on topic for a.f.c>

The first program I ever wrote to be sold commercially was a cattle
feed calculator running on an original 4K TRS-80 with cassette storage. All
it did was take a table of feeds with costs and various nutritional values
and work out the totals for a given mix. Of course with that little storage
and cassettes that meant one program to prepare a tape with the table and
another to take the proposed mix, read the tape and do the sums. But for
the farmer who commissioned it (with 500 head of cattle he was apparently
the largest in the area) it turned a monthly ordeal of three long days flat
out with a calculator into a couple of hours mostly spent thinking.

Several of his feed options were breakfast cereal waste, he said
I'd be amazed how cheap sugar puffs were by the tonne.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2022-07-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2022 06:43:15 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> A lot of cattle feed is not from cereals, but from by-products, maize
>> gluten, cotton seed, and such. it gets very confusing after a while.
>
><ooh chance to drift on topic for a.f.c>
>
> The first program I ever wrote to be sold commercially was a cattle
> feed calculator running on an original 4K TRS-80 with cassette storage. All
> it did was take a table of feeds with costs and various nutritional values
> and work out the totals for a given mix. Of course with that little storage
> and cassettes that meant one program to prepare a tape with the table and
> another to take the proposed mix, read the tape and do the sums. But for
> the farmer who commissioned it (with 500 head of cattle he was apparently
> the largest in the area) it turned a monthly ordeal of three long days flat
> out with a calculator into a couple of hours mostly spent thinking.
>
> Several of his feed options were breakfast cereal waste, he said
> I'd be amazed how cheap sugar puffs were by the tonne.
>

I have started to eat sugar puffs now I am confined to a chair a lot of
the time, they fill you up.

There is a difference in animal diets between pigs, on one side, and
sheep and cattle on the other, that can chew their cud, and more
efficently use rough feed. Pigs, I must concede, are rivals to humans in
using high quality cereals. There was a theory a while ago that the
reason that people like pig meat is because it tastes like human meat,
from the time that cannibalism was popular. may be the reason that it is
forbidden by jews and muslims.

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If not, send us all your money."

On 21 Jul 2022 10:31:26 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> There was a theory a while ago that the
> reason that people like pig meat is because it tastes like human meat,
> from the time that cannibalism was popular. may be the reason that it is
> forbidden by jews and muslims.

I think it more likely to be that pigs and humans have a fair
number of parasites in common and when you live in a hot country with no
form of refrigeration eating pig meat is a good way to get ill. Practical
advice for desert nomads.

Similarly circumcision is pure practicality for desert nomads,
there are places you *really* don't want to get sand sores.

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, John Levine wrote:

> According to Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>>
>> [The author] ???considers modern agriculture to be the root cause of slavery,
>> imperialism, militarism, chronic hunger and disease.??? Why not also the
>> internet and slit ends?
>
> He's probably right, but he's also about 20,000 years too late.

You should have even the minimum common courtesy and not adress »her« as
"he" ...

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On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, Quadibloc wrote:

> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:28:25 PM UTC-6, John Levine wrote:
>
>> A pre-agricultural diet could feed maybe 1% of the people currently
>> alive, so there's the detail of killing off the other 99% before we
>> can return to hunter-gatherer arcadia.
>
> He said _modern_ agriculture, so that doesn't exclude tilling the soil,
> it just excludes factory farms and antibiotics.

Also FYI »she« ain't "he" ... even we are living in these transmadness
times some doesn't fight the nature ...

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