John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> writes:
>According to Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com>:
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>>
>>[The author] “considers modern agriculture to be the root cause of slavery,
>>imperialism, militarism, chronic hunger and disease.” Why not also the
>>internet and slit ends?
>
>He's probably right, but he's also about 20,000 years too late.

The author is female. And completely unqualified.

"It's next to impossible to review this book; it is so packed
with misinformation and confusion that refuting the claims
could be another book itself. This is a long post, and it
doesn't begin to address all of the problems in The Vegetarian Myth."

....
"For example, when she writes about evolution as it affects
dietary needs, and suggests that "the archeological evidence is incontrovertible,"
she is actually referencing the book Protein Power, written by two physicians who
have no expertise in evolution or anthropology. It's a neat trick, of course,
because we have no idea where the Protein Power authors got their information.
By burying all of the actual studies this way, she makes it laborious for readers
to check her facts."

....
"On page 227, she notes that "Mark Messina, a champion of soy, thinks
the Japanese eat 8.6 [grams of soyfoods] per day," or less than a tablespoon.
Really? Well, I happen to be married to Mark Messina, so I have a fairly good
idea of what he "thinks" about soy intake. But even if I didn't know him,
I could read his 2006 analysis of soy intake data that was published in
the peer-reviewed medical journal Nutrition and Cancer."

https://www.theveganrd.com/2010/09/review-of-the-vegetarian-myth

On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, John Levine wrote:

> According to Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>:
>> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 6:28:25 PM UTC-6, John Levine wrote:
>>
>>> A pre-agricultural diet could feed maybe 1% of the people currently
>>> alive, so there's the detail of killing off the other 99% before we
>>> can return to hunter-gatherer arcadia.
>>
>> He said _modern_ agriculture, so that doesn't exclude tilling the soil,
>> it just excludes factory farms and antibiotics.
>
> We can have an interesting debate about whether the cost of growing
> vast amounts of chemically fertilized corn and soybeans and feeding it
> to cattle in feed lots and pigs and chickens in CAFOs is worth the
> benefit in cheap meat, but it's a lot more complicated than "don't
> use so many antibiotics."

There is no debate really when one takes a look into the nutritional
aspect and animal wellbeing. None of those are spieciese approppriate food
for the animals you listed. Bovines are grazing animals and should be out
on the pastures feeding grass and whatnot under the sunlight. Pigs and
chickens are both happiest and healthiest when they are also roaming
around the yeard and digging and eating what comes up. Also the fact that
soy contains very high amounts of estrogen that is trasferred along the
food chain all the way up everyones table.

This and the unnatural conditions animals are farmed nowadays makes these
animals sick and sick won't produce quality food.

> (Although I happen to agree that meat production uses way, way too many
> of them.)

Those are not suitable for human consumption either, so there is really no
need to grow such crops. Sure there is some land regenerating uses of soy,
but it shouln't be used feeding humans or animals that are for human
consumpion.

Meat production is not the problem, way meat is produced is the problem.
You should check the work of Allan Savory ... regenerating deserted lands
with grazing animals. Surprisingly just the opposite that we are told. But
there is this vegetarian/vegan agenda those in power are pushing, so of
course their narrative is such.

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On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:

> On 20 Jul 2022 19:31:00 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-20, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
>>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>>>
>>>>>> wonderful pets, and if allowed to peck around a garden, produce
>>>>>> wonderful eggs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chickens will peck each other to death as well. A speck of red on one,
>>>>> all over for that one.
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> My daughters are vegetarians.
>>>
>>> In case you care for your daughters, you should indroduce them to Lierre=20
>>> Keith's The Vegetarian Myth. Great book to read.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vegetarian_Myth
>>>
>>> --=20
>>> =E2=82=AA BUD =E2=82=AA
>>> --2739015498-960595415-1658339106=:20849--
>>
>> I would more believe in the Greek saying ``Everything in moderation". I
>> like vegetables, I like meat, and keep changing they around. Visiting my
>> daughter No.2, and waiting for a mushroom to cook irritates me. There is
>> an area nearby where houses are trained and galloped on an artificial
>> gallop, and walked on an area around on a grassy area nearby, from now
>> till end september lovely mushrooms grow, natural, flavorsome.
>> Unfortunately I need a zimmer frame now.
>>
>> A friend's wife rang me last night, he is losing his mind, and she was
>> lonely.
>>
>> When I was young, we had no electricity, no running water, just
>> parrifin (sp?) lanterns.. Lamp lighting time in the valley?.. Yes, I
>> remember it, the soft light of the lantern, a couple of rabbits to be
>> wrapped in in clay and put to the rear of the fire. All we have now is
>> nothing.
>
> Without cooked meat, the human brain doesn't develop. Various studies
> were done on cave people. Fire and cooked meat led to increased brain
> sizes.

This is false narrative we all have been told in programmping facilities
called "schools". In fact raw meat is much more nutrition rich and
proteins and amino acids are kind of form human body can deal with the
possible toxins in them. Cooking, every kind of, will reduce the
nutritional value of the meat, or any other animals part, and render amino
acids and proteins into such form they kind of "encapsulates" toxins in
them and our bodies cannot deal with them in the natural way and those
toxins are absorbet much more into our bodies.

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:00:33 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
wrote:
>On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>> Without cooked meat, the human brain doesn't develop. Various studies
>> were done on cave people. Fire and cooked meat led to increased brain
>> sizes.
>
>This is false narrative we all have been told in programmping facilities
>called "schools". In fact raw meat is much more nutrition rich and
>proteins and amino acids are kind of form human body can deal with the
>possible toxins in them. Cooking, every kind of, will reduce the
>nutritional value of the meat, or any other animals part, and render amino
>acids and proteins into such form they kind of "encapsulates" toxins in
>them and our bodies cannot deal with them in the natural way and those
>toxins are absorbet much more into our bodies.

So you know more than palentologists. Yawn.
--
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On 2022-07-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2022 10:31:26 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> There was a theory a while ago that the
>> reason that people like pig meat is because it tastes like human meat,
>> from the time that cannibalism was popular. may be the reason that it is
>> forbidden by jews and muslims.
>
> I think it more likely to be that pigs and humans have a fair
> number of parasites in common and when you live in a hot country with no
> form of refrigeration eating pig meat is a good way to get ill. Practical
> advice for desert nomads.

Dosn't seem to worry the chinese.
>
> Similarly circumcision is pure practicality for desert nomads,
> there are places you *really* don't want to get sand sores.
>
Been there, done that. I dont think a tshirt is appropriate too solve
the problem.

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On 2022-07-21, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>

Back then, the 60's, one of the books you were supposed to read was "The
Raw and the Cooked" Claude Levi-strauss, I misremember. It made a lot
of very good points, about how cooking food is a step up in the
developement of mankind. Just hop over to amazon to see if it is still
on sale?,,Naw.. One of the best books I ever read, even with large
problems.

Amazon have a lot of books at the moment with problems, such as the one
about gallopili with flying fortresses on the cover.

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maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>On 2022-07-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 21 Jul 2022 10:31:26 GMT
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> There was a theory a while ago that the
>>> reason that people like pig meat is because it tastes like human meat,
>>> from the time that cannibalism was popular. may be the reason that it is
>>> forbidden by jews and muslims.
>>
>> I think it more likely to be that pigs and humans have a fair
>> number of parasites in common and when you live in a hot country with no
>> form of refrigeration eating pig meat is a good way to get ill. Practical
>> advice for desert nomads.
>
>Dosn't seem to worry the chinese.

WTF? The Chinese have refrigeration.

And those parasites are terminated with extreme prejudice by heat,
and the Chinese don't generally eat pork raw.

On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:

> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:00:33 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>> Without cooked meat, the human brain doesn't develop. Various studies
>>> were done on cave people. Fire and cooked meat led to increased brain
>>> sizes.
>>
>> This is false narrative we all have been told in programmping facilities
>> called "schools". In fact raw meat is much more nutrition rich and
>> proteins and amino acids are kind of form human body can deal with the
>> possible toxins in them. Cooking, every kind of, will reduce the
>> nutritional value of the meat, or any other animals part, and render amino
>> acids and proteins into such form they kind of "encapsulates" toxins in
>> them and our bodies cannot deal with them in the natural way and those
>> toxins are absorbet much more into our bodies.
>
> So you know more than palentologists. Yawn.

And they just cannot be wrong ... there is absolutely no change that can
be ... I know.
They have fancy »Fully programmed bot« diploma on their wall and what
nonsense comes out from their mouths are the absolute truth.

Also, you know anything about my background?

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, maus wrote:

> On 2022-07-21, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it> wrote:
>> This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text,
>> while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools.
>>
>
> Back then, the 60's, one of the books you were supposed to read was "The
> Raw and the Cooked" Claude Levi-strauss, I misremember. It made a lot
> of very good points, about how cooking food is a step up in the
> developement of mankind. Just hop over to amazon to see if it is still
> on sale?,,Naw.. One of the best books I ever read, even with large
> problems.

No need to waste ones time for this vegetarians nonsense ... His "works"
never had any substance, just ramblings of a man with agenda ... maybe
learned from his rabbit grandpa.

Also that book has nothing to do with nutrition.

It's just as imaginary as Paul and Anne Echrlich's The Population
Bomb.

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On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 20:02:06 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
wrote:
>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:00:33 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>>> Without cooked meat, the human brain doesn't develop. Various studies
>>>> were done on cave people. Fire and cooked meat led to increased brain
>>>> sizes.
>>>
>>> This is false narrative we all have been told in programmping facilities
>>> called "schools". In fact raw meat is much more nutrition rich and
>>> proteins and amino acids are kind of form human body can deal with the
>>> possible toxins in them. Cooking, every kind of, will reduce the
>>> nutritional value of the meat, or any other animals part, and render amino
>>> acids and proteins into such form they kind of "encapsulates" toxins in
>>> them and our bodies cannot deal with them in the natural way and those
>>> toxins are absorbet much more into our bodies.
>>
>> So you know more than palentologists. Yawn.
>
>And they just cannot be wrong ... there is absolutely no change that can
>be ... I know.
>They have fancy »Fully programmed bot« diploma on their wall and what
>nonsense comes out from their mouths are the absolute truth.
>
>Also, you know anything about my background?

Why yes, you are a troll and a buffoon.

Paleontologists, along with archaeologists, have to do field work in
their field.
--
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On 2022-07-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>On 2022-07-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On 21 Jul 2022 10:31:26 GMT
>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There was a theory a while ago that the
>>>> reason that people like pig meat is because it tastes like human meat,
>>>> from the time that cannibalism was popular. may be the reason that it is
>>>> forbidden by jews and muslims.
>>>
>>> I think it more likely to be that pigs and humans have a fair
>>> number of parasites in common and when you live in a hot country with no
>>> form of refrigeration eating pig meat is a good way to get ill. Practical
>>> advice for desert nomads.
>>
>>Dosn't seem to worry the chinese.
>
> WTF? The Chinese have refrigeration.

The Chinese, as someone should mention to some countries, have been
there a Looooong time, well before refrigeration. I was discussing why
pig meat is banned in Judaism and Islam. Was pork banned in Ugarit?

There are a lot of theories, none really satisfactory

I believe that story that Chinese people will eat anything that can't
get away fast enough. Probably why most diseases start there, even
before expatriot test labs.
>
> And those parasites are terminated with extreme prejudice by heat,
> and the Chinese don't generally eat pork raw.

There are stories that Maya indians have ways of cooking maize that
stops a lot of sicknesses caused by eating mostly maize (beri-beri)

a
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On 2022-07-21, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 20:02:06 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
> wrote:
>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:00:33 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>>>> Without cooked meat, the human brain doesn't develop. Various studies
>>>>> were done on cave people. Fire and cooked meat led to increased brain
>>>>> sizes.
>>>>
>>>> This is false narrative we all have been told in programmping facilities
>>>> called "schools". In fact raw meat is much more nutrition rich and
>>>> proteins and amino acids are kind of form human body can deal with the
>>>> possible toxins in them. Cooking, every kind of, will reduce the
>>>> nutritional value of the meat, or any other animals part, and render amino
>>>> acids and proteins into such form they kind of "encapsulates" toxins in
>>>> them and our bodies cannot deal with them in the natural way and those
>>>> toxins are absorbet much more into our bodies.
>>>
>>> So you know more than palentologists. Yawn.
>>
>>And they just cannot be wrong ... there is absolutely no change that can
>>be ... I know.
>>They have fancy »Fully programmed bot« diploma on their wall and what
>>nonsense comes out from their mouths are the absolute truth.
>>
>>Also, you know anything about my background?
>
> Why yes, you are a troll and a buffoon.
>
> Paleontologists, along with archaeologists, have to do field work in
> their field.
> --
> Jim

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On 21 Jul 2022 20:51:38 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2022-07-21, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 20:02:06 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>> wrote:
>>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:00:33 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>>>>> Without cooked meat, the human brain doesn't develop. Various studies
>>>>>> were done on cave people. Fire and cooked meat led to increased brain
>>>>>> sizes.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is false narrative we all have been told in programmping facilities
>>>>> called "schools". In fact raw meat is much more nutrition rich and
>>>>> proteins and amino acids are kind of form human body can deal with the
>>>>> possible toxins in them. Cooking, every kind of, will reduce the
>>>>> nutritional value of the meat, or any other animals part, and render amino
>>>>> acids and proteins into such form they kind of "encapsulates" toxins in
>>>>> them and our bodies cannot deal with them in the natural way and those
>>>>> toxins are absorbet much more into our bodies.
>>>>
>>>> So you know more than palentologists. Yawn.
>>>
>>>And they just cannot be wrong ... there is absolutely no change that can
>>>be ... I know.
>>>They have fancy »Fully programmed bot« diploma on their wall and what
>>>nonsense comes out from their mouths are the absolute truth.
>>>
>>>Also, you know anything about my background?
>>
>> Why yes, you are a troll and a buffoon.
>>
>> Paleontologists, along with archaeologists, have to do field work in
>> their field.
>> --
>> Jim

maus, did you mean to post a blank post ?
--
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On 2022-07-21, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 Jul 2022 20:51:38 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>On 2022-07-21, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 20:02:06 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>>> wrote:
>>>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:00:33 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>> Paleontologists, along with archaeologists, have to do field work in
>>> their field.
>>> --
>>> Jim
>
> maus, did you mean to post a blank post ?

No. It just happened.
> --
> Jim

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maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:

> On 2022-07-21, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
>>>On 2022-07-21, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On 21 Jul 2022 10:31:26 GMT
>>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> There was a theory a while ago that the
>>>>> reason that people like pig meat is because it tastes like human meat,
>>>>> from the time that cannibalism was popular. may be the reason that it is
>>>>> forbidden by jews and muslims.
>>>>
>>>> I think it more likely to be that pigs and humans have a fair
>>>> number of parasites in common and when you live in a hot country with no
>>>> form of refrigeration eating pig meat is a good way to get ill. Practical
>>>> advice for desert nomads.
>>>
>>>Dosn't seem to worry the chinese.
>>
>> WTF? The Chinese have refrigeration.
>
> The Chinese, as someone should mention to some countries, have been
> there a Looooong time, well before refrigeration. I was discussing why
> pig meat is banned in Judaism and Islam. Was pork banned in Ugarit?
>
> There are a lot of theories, none really satisfactory
>
> I believe that story that Chinese people will eat anything that can't
> get away fast enough. Probably why most diseases start there, even
> before expatriot test labs.
>>
>> And those parasites are terminated with extreme prejudice by heat,
>> and the Chinese don't generally eat pork raw.
>
> There are stories that Maya indians have ways of cooking maize that
> stops a lot of sicknesses caused by eating mostly maize (beri-beri)

They're still doing it, along with many admixed Europeans. The process
is just treatment with alkali, most traditionally wood ashes but
typically lime these days. The process is called "nixtamalization", and
is mandatory for corn tortillas, tamales, gorditas, posole (hominy) &c.
It does in fact greatly improve the availability of B vitamins from
maize.

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-6, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> The current US drive to inject babes in arms is simply
>> evil.
>
> Although current vaccines do not perfectly prevent transmission,
> they do reduce it.
> It is true that younger children are less likely to develop serious
> symptoms from COVID-19 infection. But they may transmit it to
> their parents.

I haven't seen much evidence of that, although it does seem possible.
Medical ethics requires, or at least required, that treatment benefit
the *patient*, not some other group of people, and that it be
administered only with informed consent. If you tell me that you're
willing to be injected with a novel treatment in order to, possibly,
benefit others then I'll admire your generosity. If you tell me that
you're having your minor child injected for the same reason, I'll wonder
about your fitness for parenthood. If you tell me that you want to
force an entire generation of children to be injected then that is just
completely beyond the pale. But here we are.

> And if the chance of transmission is cut in half from one person to
> the next, then it's cut to 1/8th from one person to another and another
> and another. This is why it's so important to get nearly everyone
> vaccinated, because then even a vaccine that has limited effectiveness
> in reducing transmission can still eliminate the disease completely.

Unfortunately that's not how it works. Viruses don't stand still, they
evolve. Rapidly. A leaky vaccine results in viruses that are adapted
to it, such as we have now in the Omicron variant and its descendants.
Fortunately these strains are less virulent than the original, but it's
unwise to take that for granted.

Highly vaccinated countries, like Japan, or Israel, where four shots are
required, have not seen covid disappear. In fact, they still seem to
have quite a lot of it.

On 2022-07-22, Radey Shouman <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>
>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2022 at 1:42:07 PM UTC-6, Radey Shouman wrote:
>>> The current US drive to inject babes in arms is simply
>>> evil.
>>
>
> Unfortunately that's not how it works. Viruses don't stand still, they
> evolve. Rapidly. A leaky vaccine results in viruses that are adapted
> to it, such as we have now in the Omicron variant and its descendants.
> Fortunately these strains are less virulent than the original, but it's
> unwise to take that for granted.
>
> Highly vaccinated countries, like Japan, or Israel, where four shots are
> required, have not seen covid disappear. In fact, they still seem to
> have quite a lot of it.
>

Israel could be a test case. Are palestinians getting vaccinated as
often as Israelis?.. Do they get sick as often?, Was it there that joe
biden aquired what is currently affecting him?. My sister-in-law
recently got very sick with chest problems, coincidently after getting
her booster shot :). (She is recovering slowly). I would be angry if she
died, because I would be one of the ones that would have to clean up the
legal mess).

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On 21 Jul 2022 21:13:12 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2022-07-21, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 21 Jul 2022 20:51:38 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>On 2022-07-21, D.J <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 20:02:06 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>On Thu, 21 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jul 2022 17:00:33 +0300, Bud Spencer <bud@campo.verano.it>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Jul 2022, D.J. wrote:
>>>> Paleontologists, along with archaeologists, have to do field work in
>>>> their field.
>>>> --
>>>> Jim
>>
>> maus, did you mean to post a blank post ?
>
>No. It just happened.

Okay, I was just wondering.
--
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On Thursday, July 21, 2022 at 10:45:54 AM UTC-6, Scott Lurndal wrote:

> WTF? The Chinese have refrigeration.

More to the point, China is a wet country, not a desert country, although it
does have the Gobi desert in the north. Where it grows food, though, it's
wet enough for rice paddies.

This is good for raising hogs. Pigs compete with humans for food and
water in dry areas, and that's the reason given in "Cows, Pigs, Wars
and Witches" for the pig prohibition in several world religions.

Just as in English, "egg" means chicken egg unless specified otherwise,
in Chinese, "meat" means pork unless specified otherwise. This was
long before Freon was discovered. (Actually, though, we had refrigerators
before Freon... but not at the dawn of Chinese civilization.)

John Savard

Quadibloc wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2022 at 4:33:44 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:00:08 -0500, D.J. <chuckt...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> I prefer to hold crap posters responsible for their crap.
>
>> So you would shut down Reuters?
>
> I wouldn't shut down Reuters or Associated Press. Shutting down
> Rupert Murdoch, on the other hand, sounds attractive...
>
> John Savard

1. Rupert Murdoch supported Hillary Clinton.

2. When we get power, we're going to shut down a whole lot of
people like you.

INSERT INTO Shutdowns (Name, Email, City, State, Country)
VALUES ('John Savard', 'jsavard@ecn.ab.ca', Edmonton, Alberta, Canada);

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> Absent previous vaccinations against COVID-19, it has a significant
> chance of causing serious, long-lasting disabilities even in young
> and healthy people. Loss of the sense of smell, difficulty
> breathing, difficulty thinking and concentrating.

And the causitive mechanism of this long-term effect is not
understood. Micro-thrombi in brain and other organs have been suggested
but, AFAIK, not confirmed. Not death, just the rest of your life
shpxrq up.

> And things could be _very_ bad this time, specifically because
> right-wing political elements have created an organized opposition
> to public-health measures to deal with the ongoing pandemic. By the
> time they're dramatically proven wrong by events, it will be... not
> "too late", since the extinction of the human race isn't at issue,
> but later than it should have been - and indeed too late to have
> prevented a great many needless deaths.

And needless cases of chronic debility.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

Peter Flass wrote:
> Voice of REASON <reason@anon.net> wrote:
>> Peter Flass wrote:
>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-18, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Jul 2022 16:47:08 GMT, Charlie Gibbs
>>>>>> dong. Then their friends started dieing, at home. So they now have the
>>>>>> vaccine and take precautions.
>>>>>
>>>>> But a lot of them won’t admit it, for fear of looking bad to their crazy
>>>>> friends. I’m thinking of the politician who got vaccinated, bur refused to
>>>>> say so when asked.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The man signed `Redneck' is actually a vaccine supporter, trying to
>>>> doscredit genuine doubters.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It’s not necessarily a bad thing to be cautious, but we’re now two years in
>>> on vaccines. How long should people wait? What are they waiting FOR?
>>>
>>
>> FDA approval for the chickenpox vaccine took 20 years.
>>
>
> It used to take a week to send a message from New York to San Francisco,
> too. We’ve gotten better at things.
>

Vaccines are not one of them. There are certain things you cannot
short-circuit, and with a vaccine trial, it's time.

On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:

> Vaccines are not one of them. There are certain things you cannot
> short-circuit, and with a vaccine trial, it's time.

You're half right. We haven't discovered some miracle way to make vaccine
trials go faster with modern technology.

However, my response is simple: what part of "emergency use authorization"
don't you understand? If you don't *have* the time, because there aren't
enough ventilators to go around to keep the population from dying like flies,
then not conducting vaccine trials to the same high standards as would be
the case for a less serious disease that is less widespread... is a rational
course of action.

One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.

John Savard

On 7/25/22 01:26, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
>
>> Vaccines are not one of them. There are certain things you cannot
>> short-circuit, and with a vaccine trial, it's time.
>
> You're half right. We haven't discovered some miracle way to make vaccine
> trials go faster with modern technology.
>
> However, my response is simple: what part of "emergency use authorization"
> don't you understand? If you don't *have* the time, because there aren't
> enough ventilators to go around to keep the population from dying like flies,
> then not conducting vaccine trials to the same high standards as would be
> the case for a less serious disease that is less widespread... is a rational
> course of action.
>
> One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.

Necessity is the excuse of tyrants and the creed of slaves.

"[...] enough ventilators to go around to keep the population from dying
like flies [...]"

Strawman appeal to imaginary events that aren't happening. Reducing men
and women with innate rights to "population" object to justify nonsense.

"One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions."

Right. The traitors and money-grubbers making decisions to deprive men
of their liberty and life need a pretext, a budget, and a smokescreen to
cover it all up.

Millions of people outside the panopticon echo chamber see through this
nonsense. Wise up.

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On Sun, 24 Jul 2022, Quadibloc wrote:

> On Saturday, July 23, 2022 at 9:04:40 PM UTC-6, Voice of REASON wrote:
>
>> Vaccines are not one of them. There are certain things you cannot
>> short-circuit, and with a vaccine trial, it's time.
>
> You're half right. We haven't discovered some miracle way to make vaccine
> trials go faster with modern technology.
>
> However, my response is simple: what part of "emergency use authorization"
> don't you understand? If you don't *have* the time, because there aren't
> enough ventilators to go around to keep the population from dying like flies,
> then not conducting vaccine trials to the same high standards as would be
> the case for a less serious disease that is less widespread... is a rational
> course of action.
>
> One weighs costs against benefits in making decisions.

When yu realise that "vaccine" ain't for covid, but covid is for "vaccine"
... you get the right perspective.

Also the fact that, for example, modeRNA, "vaccine" was "designed" on the
computer in just 2 days ... TWO days?!?

https://odysee.com/@SaviorSelf:c/Vaccinein2days:e

Well that's understandable if you realis modeRNA is software platform
company ...

https://odysee.com/@EvidenceNotFear:a/moderna-ceo-platform-conspiracyguy78-status-1383678276959309829-cover:3?r=E3zkYijipTsjuRww5dcc3HC8HLS16ZKM&sunset=lbrytv

So this discussion is very relevant in a.f.c :D

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