On 18 Aug 2022 20:26:19 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2022-08-18, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>> On 2022-08-18, danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>>>> In <6dec26a7-b033-409c-ae5f-47e8f600c9fdn@googlegroups.com> Quadibloc
>>>> <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 1:52:20 PM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>> I admit horror at the old couple in NYC that were trapped in their
>>> apartment when the heaps of old newspapers collapsed and they starved to
>>> death. Get rid of it, dump it, it is hard to burn wads of poor quality
>>> paper.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We’re starting to see more and more online. Many old issues of Astounding,
>> for example, are available.
>>
>
>My story was about the time that the japanes captured Hong Kong in 1941,
>and the british tried to burn the archives, I read that they just had
>to abandon them. Try burning wads of old listings, for instance. Then
>there was the time that the Ayattolah(sp) took over in Tehran, and the
>embassy staff tried to shred the archives. I think the Iranians were
>working on restoring stuff for decades after.

The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
--
Jim

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:

> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.

I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
algorithms.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
> I always wondered, although it should have been obvious in retrospect,
> why Putin always reflexively opposed the US, even in situations where
> we could have worked together and had a win-win. Apparently he still
> fancies Russia a major power, and wants to pull us down to build
> himself up. In the process he’s now turning his country into China’s
> lapdog.

.... there is the theory that Harvard was responsible for the rise of
Putin ... apparently the people that Harvard sent over to teach
capitalism ... were looting the country (and Russia needed somebody,
like Putin to stand up to the looters from the US/Harvard) John Helmer:
Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia,
Resurfaces in Ukraine
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html

If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true
proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an
extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional
Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard
faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and
resigned shortly thereafter.

.... snip ...

How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier
university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be
capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to
scandal and disgrace (gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine)
https://web.archive.org/web/20130211131020/http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html

Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting
framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself
acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in
Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers,
who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its
cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the
U.S.-Russian relationship."

.... snip ...

trivia: I had gotten asked to help figure out how to do 5,000 banks
across Russia (@$1M, $5B total) as part of making it a Democratic
country, however before it got very far, the US capitalism looting
(kleptocracy) put end to efforts.

consistant with "Economic Hit Man" (and author claiming to have been
recruited in Cambridge)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man
https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-ebook/dp/B017MZ8EBM/
https://bkconnection.com/books/title/the-new-confessions-of-an-economic-hit-man

this book sort of interleaves Smedley Butler's biography with what US
continues to do around the world; Gangsters of Capitalism (predating
economic hit man to current day)
https://jonathanmkatz.com/gangsters
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/01/21/maj-gen-smedley-butler-marine-hero-who-saw-himself-racketeer-capitalism/
https://www.c-span.org/video/?517102-1/gangsters-capitalism
https://www.amazon.com/Gangsters-Capitalism-Smedley-Breaking-Americas-ebook/dp/B092T8KT1N/

Smedley Butler was the most celebrated warfighter of his
time. Bestselling books were written about him. Hollywood adored
him. Wherever the flag went, "The Fighting Quaker" went--serving in
nearly every major overseas conflict from the Spanish War of 1898 until
the eve of World War II. From his first days as a 16-year-old recruit at
the newly seized Guantanamo Bay, he blazed a path for empire: helping
annex the Philippines and the land for the Panama Canal, leading troops
in China (twice), and helping invade and occupy Nicaragua, Puerto Rico,
Haiti, Mexico, and more. Yet in retirement, Butler turned into a warrior
against war, imperialism, and big business, declaring: "I was a
racketeer for capitalism."

Award-winning author Jonathan Myerson Katz traveled across the
world--from China to Guantanamo, the mountains of Haiti to the Panama
Canal--and pored over the personal letters of Butler, his fellow
Marines, and his Quaker family on Philadelphia's Main Line. Along the
way, Katz shows how the consequences of the Marines' actions are still
very much alive: talking politics with a Sandinista commander in
Nicaragua, getting a martial arts lesson from a devotee of the Boxer
Rebellion in China, and getting cast as a P.O.W. extra in a Filipino
movie about their American War. Tracing a path from the first wave of
U.S. overseas expansionism to the rise of fascism in the 1930s to the
crises of democracy in our own time, Gangsters of Capitalism tells an
urgent story about a formative era most Americans have never learned
about, but that the rest of the world cannot forget.

.... snip ...

Smedley Butler online
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering

Mahan plays prominent role
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Thayer_Mahan
As does Sullivan & Cromwell especially John Foster Dulles (while at
Sullivan & Cromwell) playing major role in rebuilding Germany's economy
and militry during the 20s up through the early 40s.
https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-ebook/dp/B00BY5QX1K/

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>
>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>
> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
> algorithms.
>

This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.

--
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In <1380035000.682570583.203227.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

>Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.

>This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.

One of the magazines I regret losing was one of the anti-US
publications (don't recall the name, sorry) that the
local commie/leftie/socialist/pinko bookstore carried.

One edition had page after page of these reconstructed
documents, and yes, they were strips that had been
reconstructed by hand.

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On 2022-08-19, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>>
>> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
>> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
>> algorithms.
>>
>
> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
>
as I remember the story too. The same thing happened when the British
had decided to leave Ireland (1921?) and the Irish rebels tried to
burn the Custom house, to destroy the records telling who was informing on
the rebels.

There were stories about much the same happening in kabul recently

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On 2022-08-18, Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> wrote:
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>> I always wondered, although it should have been obvious in retrospect,
>> why Putin always reflexively opposed the US, even in situations where
>> we could have worked together and had a win-win. Apparently he still
>> fancies Russia a major power, and wants to pull us down to build
>> himself up. In the process he’s now turning his country into China’s
>> lapdog.
>
> ... there is the theory that Harvard was responsible for the rise of
> Putin ... apparently the people that Harvard sent over to teach
> capitalism ... were looting the country (and Russia needed somebody,
> like Putin to stand up to the looters from the US/Harvard) John Helmer:
> Convicted Fraudster Jonathan Hay, Harvard's Man Who Wrecked Russia,
> Resurfaces in Ukraine
> http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/02/convicted-fraudster-jonathan-hay-harvards-man-who-wrecked-russia-resurfaces-in-ukraine.html
>
> If you are unfamiliar with this fiasco, which was also the true
> proximate cause of Larry Summers' ouster from Harvard, you must read an
> extraordinary expose, How Harvard Lost Russia, from Institutional
> Investor. I am told copies of this article were stuffed in every Harvard
> faculty member's inbox the day Summers got a vote of no confidence and
> resigned shortly thereafter.
>
> ... snip ...
>
> How Harvard lost Russia; The best and brightest of America's premier
> university came to Moscow in the 1990s to teach Russians how to be
> capitalists. This is the inside story of how their efforts led to
> scandal and disgrace (gone 404, but lives on at wayback machine)
> https://web.archive.org/web/20130211131020/http://www.institutionalinvestor.com/Article/1020662/How-Harvard-lost-Russia.html
>
> Mostly, they hurt Russia and its hopes of establishing a lasting
> framework for a stable Western-style capitalism, as Summers himself
> acknowledged when he testified under oath in the U.S. lawsuit in
> Cambridge in 2002. "The project was of enormous value," said Summers,
> who by then had been installed as the president of Harvard. "Its
> cessation was damaging to Russian economic reform and to the
> U.S.-Russian relationship."
>
> ... snip ...
>
> trivia: I had gotten asked to help figure out how to do 5,000 banks
> across Russia (@$1M, $5B total) as part of making it a Democratic
> country, however before it got very far, the US capitalism looting
> (kleptocracy) put end to efforts.
>
> consistant with "Economic Hit Man" (and author claiming to have been
> recruited in Cambridge)
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man
> https://www.amazon.com/New-Confessions-Economic-Hit-Man-ebook/dp/B017MZ8EBM/
> https://bkconnection.com/books/title/the-new-confessions-of-an-economic-hit-man
>
>
> Smedley Butler online
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_profiteering
>
> Mahan plays prominent role
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Thayer_Mahan
> As does Sullivan & Cromwell especially John Foster Dulles (while at
> Sullivan & Cromwell) playing major role in rebuilding Germany's economy
> and militry during the 20s up through the early 40s.
> https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret-ebook/dp/B00BY5QX1K/
>

I am glad to hear from you, hoping you are well, next we might hear
from BAH

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Do you want earwigs with that?.

On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:15 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
> > D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
> >> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
> >
> > I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
> > reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
> > algorithms.
> >
>
> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.

Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut
shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long*
time.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:17:32 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:

> I’m still hoping for the great wake-up call. If enough trumpy candidates
> lose badly, as it looks like Oz is doing in PA and Vance is doing in OH,
> then, hopefully, the real Republicans will decide that winning elections is
> preferable to pretending loyalty to Der Führer.

Unfortunately, the loss by Liz Cheney will tell them something else.

It depends on which state one is in - unfortunately, there are still parts
of the United States where Trump is very popular.

John Savard

On 2022-08-19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:15 -0700
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>> > D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>> >> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>> >
>> > I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
>> > reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
>> > algorithms.
>> >
>>
>> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
>
> Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut
> shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long*
> time.
>

My point exactly. Even in ordinary commercial operations, it can take a
long time to destroy stuff.

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On 2022-08-19, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 11:17:32 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>
>> I’m still hoping for the great wake-up call. If enough trumpy candidates
>> lose badly, as it looks like Oz is doing in PA and Vance is doing in OH,
>> then, hopefully, the real Republicans will decide that winning elections is
>> preferable to pretending loyalty to Der Führer.
>
> Unfortunately, the loss by Liz Cheney will tell them something else.
>
> It depends on which state one is in - unfortunately, there are still parts
> of the United States where Trump is very popular.
>
> John Savard

Do tell!. Tucker Carlson last night.

As who I think is the resident expert, I would ask the following;

At what point in the history of computers (mechanical) was it decided to
use binary calculations, rather than some sort of decimal things?.
Turing's machines?

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On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 00:21:00 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>
>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>
> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
>reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
>algorithms.

I can see that is possible... I've seen ones in stores with different
sized confetti cuts. The smaller ones would be a big pain to do that
to.
--
Jim

maus <maus@dmaus.org> writes:
> I am glad to hear from you, hoping you are well, next we might hear
> from BAH

recent long-winded posts over on linkedin
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-lynn-wheeler/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-2-lynn-wheeler/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-3-lynn-wheeler/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/zvm-50th-part-4-lynn-wheeler/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/mainframe-channel-io-lynn-wheeler/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/john-boyd-ibm-wild-ducks-lynn-wheeler/

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On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:

> At what point in the history of computers (mechanical) was it decided to
> use binary calculations, rather than some sort of decimal things?.
> Turing's machines?

I think Konrad Zuse made a mechanical computer that worked
in binary. Otherwise, binary made its debut on electronic computers.

John Savard

On 8/19/2022 2:56 AM, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 19:58:15 -0700
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>>>
>>> I have heard of cross-cut shredded material being scanned and
>>> reassembled with the aid of a computer and some fancy edge matching
>>> algorithms.
>>>
>>
>> This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
>
> Oh yes, and it may have been the event that made cross-cut
> shredders popular, reconstructing cross-cut by hand would take a *long*
> time.
>
Yup. But scanners and computers have gotten very cheap. I'm betting
that these days, the time would mostly be determined by how long it
took to lay the pieces out on a scanner, and then to flip each
piece... wait, if you laid them out in plastic sleeves, flipping would
be nil time.

On 8/18/2022 12:12 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified
> border. The former GDR border only comes second to that between North-
> and South-Korea.

I doubt it, since in the early days there was no border of importance.
And today, the struggle is to prevent the border (between Eire and N.
Ireland) from being an obstruction to trade or travel. Certainly not
fortified.

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:43:58 -0500
Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:

> Yup. But scanners and computers have gotten very cheap. I'm betting
> that these days, the time would mostly be determined by how long it
> took to lay the pieces out on a scanner, and then to flip each
> piece... wait, if you laid them out in plastic sleeves, flipping would
> be nil time.

IIRC the time it was done they used a high resolution, high frame
rate camera and filmed them tumbling through the air from a blower.

--
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 20:27:14 -0700 (PDT)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
> > At what point in the history of computers (mechanical) was it decided
> > to use binary calculations, rather than some sort of decimal things?.
> > Turing's machines?
>
> I think Konrad Zuse made a mechanical computer that worked
> in binary. Otherwise, binary made its debut on electronic computers.

But not with electronic computers. Eniac was decimal based using
ten stage ring counters to hold digits.

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On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:

> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified
> border.

Not really, even at the height of the troubles when there were
checkpoints with armed UK soldiers on the roads (I went through a couple of
times and found, unsurprisingly, that I don't like seeing a rifle pointing
at me) the border was extremely porous away from the roads and there were
many many places that an open country crossing was no problem.

Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the
border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other
side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if the
UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now an EU
border.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2022-08-20, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 3:33:51 AM UTC-6, maus wrote:
>
>> At what point in the history of computers (mechanical) was it decided to
>> use binary calculations, rather than some sort of decimal things?.
>> Turing's machines?
>
> I think Konrad Zuse made a mechanical computer that worked
> in binary. Otherwise, binary made its debut on electronic computers.
>
> John Savard

Babbage's machine (and the curta, I think) used decimal, i was wondering was it
turing's imaginary machine that inspired the change to binary ?

reading Zuse's entry in Wikipedia was very revealing. I suppose that the
modern computer had many parents

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On 2022-08-20, Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> On 8/18/2022 12:12 PM, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified
>> border. The former GDR border only comes second to that between North-
>> and South-Korea.
>
> I doubt it, since in the early days there was no border of importance.
> And today, the struggle is to prevent the border (between Eire and N.
> Ireland) from being an obstruction to trade or travel. Certainly not
> fortified.
>
>

No. Look at the map of the border around Clones.

My point was that there was a big fuss about the people (not including A.Merkel)
fleeing the GDR, and the larger numbers fleeing the Irish republic before
Lemass became leader.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified
>> border.
>
> Not really, even at the height of the troubles when there were
> checkpoints with armed UK soldiers on the roads (I went through a couple of
> times and found, unsurprisingly, that I don't like seeing a rifle pointing
> at me) the border was extremely porous away from the roads and there were
> many many places that an open country crossing was no problem.
>
> Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the
> border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other
> side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if the
> UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now an EU
> border.
>

Just declare NI a free-trade zone with both England and the EU. Probably
would be good for business there, too.

--
Pete

On 2022-08-20, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>
>>> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified
>>> border.
>>
>> Not really, even at the height of the troubles when there were
>> checkpoints with armed UK soldiers on the roads (I went through a couple of
>> times and found, unsurprisingly, that I don't like seeing a rifle pointing
>> at me) the border was extremely porous away from the roads and there were
>> many many places that an open country crossing was no problem.
>>
>> Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the
>> border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other
>> side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if the
>> UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now an EU
>> border.
>>
>
> Just declare NI a free-trade zone with both England and the EU. Probably
> would be good for business there, too.
>
The whole thing is in confusion, Will the EU survive?. What will happen to the
UK after the lack of fuel next Winter causes a revolution?. Will the US
survive as it is?.. Will Russia, or China or India?

All imponderables.

Tucker Carlson pointed out recently that there are many people doing well
in the US, and they will be a massive force against the Republicans in
November.

All a good reason to wake up in the morning. Will Sinn Fein take over
in the Republic?. What did achilles call himself when he lived the women?

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On 20 Aug 2022 14:08:18 GMT, maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>On 2022-08-20, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 13:12:25 -0400
>>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> AFAIK did (does) the Irish State not have a similar fortified
>>>> border.
>>>
>>> Not really, even at the height of the troubles when there were
>>> checkpoints with armed UK soldiers on the roads (I went through a couple of
>>> times and found, unsurprisingly, that I don't like seeing a rifle pointing
>>> at me) the border was extremely porous away from the roads and there were
>>> many many places that an open country crossing was no problem.
>>>
>>> Now there are farms, villages and even buildings straddling the
>>> border along with many places where the nearest shopping is on the other
>>> side of the border. Closing it again would be very difficult - but if the
>>> UK carry on the way they are it might be necessary since it is now an EU
>>> border.
>>>
>>
>> Just declare NI a free-trade zone with both England and the EU. Probably
>> would be good for business there, too.
>>
>The whole thing is in confusion, Will the EU survive?. What will happen to the
> UK after the lack of fuel next Winter causes a revolution?. Will the US
>survive as it is?.. Will Russia, or China or India?
>
>All imponderables.
>
>Tucker Carlson pointed out recently that there are many people doing well
>in the US, and they will be a massive force against the Republicans in
>November.

Fox entertainment is full of nonsense.

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Jim

On Fri, 19 Aug 2022 03:03:41 -0000 (UTC), danny burstein
<dannyb@panix.com> wrote:
>In <1380035000.682570583.203227.peter_flass-yahoo.com@news.eternal-september.org> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>>Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 18 Aug 2022 17:05:55 -0500
>>> D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The staff used a shredder that cut them into strips, instead of
>>>> confetti. The Iranians put them back together.
>
>>This was apparently done entirely by hand, by a bunch of college students.
>
>One of the magazines I regret losing was one of the anti-US
>publications (don't recall the name, sorry) that the
>local commie/leftie/socialist/pinko bookstore carried.
>
>One edition had page after page of these reconstructed
>documents, and yes, they were strips that had been
>reconstructed by hand.

The likely bought the strip shredder as a cost saving.... and it was a
bad decision.
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Jim