On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 15:39:32 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>On 2022-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500 D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere.
>>>
>>> Bad copy of a crap design, never likely to get anywhere.
>>>
>
> From a show called 'What on earth ? on Science channel, they discuss the
> Buran. seems Russia hacked the NASA site, and did their best to steal
> NASA's space shuttle plans. But NASA noticed and changed some of the
> blueprints in thge files the russians were lookin at. That is why it
> failed.

In what way did it fail?

Buran flew and landed under automatic control, something the Space Shuttle
couldn't do.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 21:22:00 -0000 (UTC), Robert Swindells
<rjs@fdy2.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 15:39:32 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>>On 2022-08-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500 D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> Bad copy of a crap design, never likely to get anywhere.
>>>>
>>
>> From a show called 'What on earth ? on Science channel, they discuss the
>> Buran. seems Russia hacked the NASA site, and did their best to steal
>> NASA's space shuttle plans. But NASA noticed and changed some of the
>> blueprints in thge files the russians were lookin at. That is why it
>> failed.
>
>In what way did it fail?
>
>Buran flew and landed under automatic control, something the Space Shuttle
>couldn't do.

Thats why I mentioned the name of the show. Someone got into the
storage facility where two Burans are located. Paint peeling, tiles
falling off. etc.
--
Jim

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 23:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels
> <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>>.
>>Well, they did manage to send a rocket to the moon before the Americans,
>>and built the Concordski (in competition to the Concord).
>
> But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere.

But their "B-29" copy did. While their Concorde copy broke in half midair
on a air show (what better place to demonstrate ;-).

That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about:
The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did.

That still haunts Russia today.
--
Andreas

Dan Espen wrote:
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>
>> jtmpreno <none@znet.com> writes:
>>> On 7/28/2022 3:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-27, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
>>>>> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
>>>>> US in the "computer race".
>>>>
>>>> The Russkie talks big but frankly he's short on know-how. You can't expect
>>>> a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.
>>>
>>> That sounds like it came from Dr. Strangelove.
>>
>> Blake is a noted nutcase.
>
> Actually he has advocated multiple times for killing a full half of
> the population of the USA.

Still better than a Leftist, who wants to kill everyone, including
himself.

Quadibloc wrote:
> On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 6:14:50 PM UTC-6, Roger Blake wrote:
>
>> No, I do not want to hold them in camps. They might find their way back.
>> They must be totally and completely eradicated. Turned into vapour and
>> poured into the stratosphere. This is not a "discussion". The Left must
>> be utterly destroyed.
>
> Oh, my.
>
> Well, I guess that makes sense from your point of view. Why, I was just
> watching a video on YouTube about how these left-wingers are too clever
> in escaping from traps for them...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-0YzkmbCUU
>
> Since you include in "the Left" not just destructive extremists,
> but people who believe in freedom,

...to rape little boys.

Other than that, the Left has never believed in freedom.

On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC+10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500, D.J. wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 23:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels
> > <robin....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>.
> >>Well, they did manage to send a rocket to the moon before the Americans,
> >>and built the Concordski (in competition to the Concord).
> >
> > But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere.
> But their "B-29" copy did. While their Concorde copy broke in half midair
> on a air show (what better place to demonstrate ;-).
..
The Concordski did not break apart mid-air.
The Russian team required that other aircraft keep a goodly
distance from it while it was in the air.
The Froggies wanted to get a close-up view as Concordski flew,
and got too close.
Concordski took strong evasive action, and the motor(s) cut out.
They were too close to the ground to re-start the engines, and crashed.
..
> That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about:
> The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did.
>
> That still haunts Russia today.

On 8/14/2022 4:58 PM, D.J. wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 21:22:00 -0000 (UTC), Robert Swindells

>> Buran flew and landed under automatic control, something the Space Shuttle
>> couldn't do.
>
> Thats why I mentioned the name of the show. Someone got into the
> storage facility where two Burans are located. Paint peeling, tiles
> falling off. etc.

Lot of Soviet stuff like that. May have worked at one time, but with
the collapse of the USSR if it didn't look like there was profit in
it, was abandoned. Several Russian websites occasionally show photo
essays of abandoned factories, military installations, even cities.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:39:42 -0400
Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:

> That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about:
> The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did.

This is called propaganda. The one thing the Soviet Union could not
do that America did was survive the cold war without falling apart.

Yes Concordski and Buran were copies of Western developments, but
Energia certainly wasn't.

Oh and one thing Russia was able to do that the US was not, provide
transport to and from the ISS for most of the last couple of decades.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2022-08-15, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:39:42 -0400
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>> That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about:
>> The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did.
>
> This is called propaganda. The one thing the Soviet Union could not
> do that America did was survive the cold war without falling apart.
>
> Yes Concordski and Buran were copies of Western developments, but
> Energia certainly wasn't.
>
> Oh and one thing Russia was able to do that the US was not, provide
> transport to and from the ISS for most of the last couple of decades.
>

The USSR and USA were two different countries, with different aims. The
USSR collapsed because Gorbachov (sp?) believed US propoganda and tried
to build a system like the US. The Arrival of `experts' trained in
Harvard soon finished that. At the last elections in Russia, the
Communist party came a close second, and may have actually won.

Many countries mourn old systems whose bad parts have been forgotten.
Walking around the former East Berlin brought shock when I saw swastikas
sprayed on the walls. (About 2005), and now the AFD rules Thuringia.

Will the US survive the midterm? Is facebook and its ilk for the benefit of people

--
greymausg@mail.org

Fe Fi Fo Fum, I smell the stench of an influencer.
We're all going to die, horribly. have a nice day, meanwhile

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 20:17:50 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels wrote:
>
> On Monday, August 15, 2022 at 9:39:44 AM UTC+10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 23:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels
>> > <robin....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>.
>> >>Well, they did manage to send a rocket to the moon before the Americans,
>> >>and built the Concordski (in competition to the Concord).
>> >
>> > But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere.
>> But their "B-29" copy did. While their Concorde copy broke in half midair
>> on a air show (what better place to demonstrate ;-).
> .
> The Concordski did not break apart mid-air.
> The Russian team required that other aircraft keep a goodly
> distance from it while it was in the air.
> The Froggies wanted to get a close-up view as Concordski flew,
> and got too close.
> Concordski took strong evasive action, and the motor(s) cut out.
> They were too close to the ground to re-start the engines, and crashed.
> .

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Paris_Air_Show_Tu-144_crash> says:

| Once in flight, the aircraft made what appeared to be a landing
| approach, with the landing gear out and the "moustache" canards
| extended, but then with all four engines at full power, climbed
| rapidly. Possibly stalling below 2,000 ft (610 m), the aircraft pitched
| over and went into a steep dive. Trying to pull out of the subsequent
| dive with the engines again at full power, the Tu-144 broke up in
| mid-air, possibly due to overstressing the airframe. The left wing came
^^^^^^^
| away first, and then the aircraft disintegrated and crashed, destroying
| 15 houses, and killing all six people on board the Tu-144 and eight
| more on the ground. Three children were among those killed, and 60
| people received severe injuries.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEIAMM13RFQ> shows the breakup midair
(close to the ground though, but didn't touch prior to the breakup).
--
Andreas

On 15 Aug 2022 07:08:31 GMT, maus wrote:
>
> The USSR and USA were two different countries, with different aims. The
> USSR collapsed because Gorbachov (sp?) believed US propoganda and tried
> to build a system like the US. The Arrival of `experts' trained in
> Harvard soon finished that. At the last elections in Russia, the
> Communist party came a close second, and may have actually won.

If won, it would had broken the USSR, pulling the economy down even
more. On the pro side, Putin might not have had come to power.

> Many countries mourn old systems whose bad parts have been forgotten.
> Walking around the former East Berlin brought shock when I saw swastikas
> sprayed on the walls. (About 2005), and now the AFD rules Thuringia.

Until the late 80s the east side of the wall was clean. Graffiti (no
swastikas though I assume) only on the west side.

The (Berlin) wall itself was amazing itself. There is an interesting
video from about 2009 using CGI, showing what it would be like if you
would enter the death strip, plus giving a good history lessons.

If anyone is interested I try to locate it.
--
Andreas

On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:39:42 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 08:26:58 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 23:20:25 -0700 (PDT), Robin Vowels
>> <robin.vowels@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>.
>>>Well, they did manage to send a rocket to the moon before the Americans,
>>>and built the Concordski (in competition to the Concord).
>>
>> But their copy of the Space Shuttle never got anywhere.
>
>But their "B-29" copy did. While their Concorde copy broke in half midair
>on a air show (what better place to demonstrate ;-).
>
>That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about:
>The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did.
>
>That still haunts Russia today.

I read about them copying the B-29. I think I read the mention in one
of Martin Caidin's books.
--
Jim

On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:26:21 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> Oh and one thing Russia was able to do that the US was not, provide
>transport to and from the ISS for most of the last couple of decades.

Political nonsense in the US caused that. Lack of wanting to go into
Space, and spend money rather on other pet projects.
--
Jim

On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:44:45 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>On 15 Aug 2022 07:08:31 GMT, maus wrote:
>>
>> The USSR and USA were two different countries, with different aims. The
>> USSR collapsed because Gorbachov (sp?) believed US propoganda and tried
>> to build a system like the US. The Arrival of `experts' trained in
>> Harvard soon finished that. At the last elections in Russia, the
>> Communist party came a close second, and may have actually won.
>
>If won, it would had broken the USSR, pulling the economy down even
>more. On the pro side, Putin might not have had come to power.
>
>> Many countries mourn old systems whose bad parts have been forgotten.
>> Walking around the former East Berlin brought shock when I saw swastikas
>> sprayed on the walls. (About 2005), and now the AFD rules Thuringia.
>
>Until the late 80s the east side of the wall was clean. Graffiti (no
>swastikas though I assume) only on the west side.
>
>The (Berlin) wall itself was amazing itself. There is an interesting
>video from about 2009 using CGI, showing what it would be like if you
>would enter the death strip, plus giving a good history lessons.
>
>If anyone is interested I try to locate it.

On Science Channel there is a program named 'What on Earth ?'. One of
the episodes shows a preserved part of the death zone and the wall.
--
Jim

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:39:42 -0400
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>> That's what the video I mentioned with this thread initially was about:
>> The USSR wasn't able to get things done the US did.
>
> This is called propaganda. The one thing the Soviet Union could not
> do that America did was survive the cold war without falling apart.
>
> Yes Concordski and Buran were copies of Western developments, but
> Energia certainly wasn't.
>
> Oh and one thing Russia was able to do that the US was not, provide
> transport to and from the ISS for most of the last couple of decades.
>

The things the Russians did/do well seem to have been things that were
suited to the application of brute force rather than finesse. They built
big rockets, but, AIUI, they were rather low tech. They built a few big
computers, but not so much LSI, and seem to have remained stuck in the 60s
(I presume they still manufacture computers). They mine/pump a lot of raw
materials but, as events are now showing, rely on the West for a lot of
their modern tech.

--
Pete

D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:26:21 +0100, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> Oh and one thing Russia was able to do that the US was not, provide
>> transport to and from the ISS for most of the last couple of decades.
>
> Political nonsense in the US caused that. Lack of wanting to go into
> Space, and spend money rather on other pet projects.

Right, and I think we’re now about caught up in power, and “we’re” doing
exponentially more launches than the Russians.

https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/retd-nasa-astronaut-compares-new-us-rocket-to-russias-soyuz-after-halted-engine-supply-articleshow.html

--
Pete

On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 12:03:45 -0700
Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Right, and I think we’re now about caught up in power, and “we’re” doing
> exponentially more launches than the Russians.

Well SpaceX is.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 09:20:57 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>
> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:44:45 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
>>
>>The (Berlin) wall itself was amazing itself. There is an interesting
>>video from about 2009 using CGI, showing what it would be like if you
>>would enter the death strip, plus giving a good history lessons.
>>
>>If anyone is interested I try to locate it.
>
> On Science Channel there is a program named 'What on Earth ?'. One of
> the episodes shows a preserved part of the death zone and the wall.

The video is called "Walled In" at
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
--
Andreas

On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 09:20:57 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:44:45 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
>>>
>>>The (Berlin) wall itself was amazing itself. There is an interesting
>>>video from about 2009 using CGI, showing what it would be like if you
>>>would enter the death strip, plus giving a good history lessons.
>>>
>>>If anyone is interested I try to locate it.
>>
>> On Science Channel there is a program named 'What on Earth ?'. One of
>> the episodes shows a preserved part of the death zone and the wall.
>
> The video is called "Walled In" at
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.

Not the first Berlin wall, in Frederick's time there was a wall around Berlin
that controlled who entered and left the city, so the famous story about
the King scanning the list of who entered and left the city that day,
and finding Papa Bach's name on it.

When I was there, around 05 or so, part of the section around the Gate
had chicken wire protecting it from souvanier hunters.

It was very amusing at the time that people were leaving Ireland at the
time,( one of our periodic down cycles) faster than Ossies were leaving
East Germany, yet nobody was noticing.

--
greymausg@mail.org

Fe Fi Fo Fum, I smell the stench of an influencer.
We're all going to die, horribly. Have a nice day, meanwhile

On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>
> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 09:20:57 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:44:45 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
>>>>
>>>>The (Berlin) wall itself was amazing itself. There is an interesting
>>>>video from about 2009 using CGI, showing what it would be like if you
>>>>would enter the death strip, plus giving a good history lessons.
>>>>
>>>>If anyone is interested I try to locate it.
>>>
>>> On Science Channel there is a program named 'What on Earth ?'. One of
>>> the episodes shows a preserved part of the death zone and the wall.
>>
>> The video is called "Walled In" at
>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>
> Not the first Berlin wall, in Frederick's time there was a wall around Berlin
> that controlled who entered and left the city, so the famous story about
> the King scanning the list of who entered and left the city that day,
> and finding Papa Bach's name on it.

Frederick's? Hard to search for it as by chance there is an author
Frederick Taylor, who wrote a book about the Berlin Wall.

> When I was there, around 05 or so, part of the section around the Gate
> had chicken wire protecting it from souvanier hunters.
>
> It was very amusing at the time that people were leaving Ireland at the
> time,( one of our periodic down cycles) faster than Ossies were leaving
> East Germany, yet nobody was noticing.

Berlin was center of the Cold War and thus focus in the eyes of the
world. If the Soviets would had invaded West-Berlin, Americans would had
defended, most luckily ending in Worlds War III, with bots sites nuking
each other.

One day it was close. Russians wouldn't allow American army personal to
transit to the east, denying access. Then American tanks rushed to the
site, with Soviet tanks joining, their barrels standing some 100 feet
from each other. Every tank driver had their finger on the trigger. One
"itching" and a shot might have been fired, resulting in a chain
reaction.

Soviet commanders ordered their tanks to inch back, and the American
followed suite, deescalating a dangerous situation. Americans also get
access to the eastern part back.

There is some footage documenting that. I can try to find that if anyone
is interested.
--
Andreas

On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 09:20:57 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, 15 Aug 2022 07:44:45 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
>>>>>
>>>>>The (Berlin) wall itself was amazing itself. There is an interesting
>>>>>video from about 2009 using CGI, showing what it would be like if you
>>>>>would enter the death strip, plus giving a good history lessons.
>>>>>
>>>>>If anyone is interested I try to locate it.
>>>>
>>>> On Science Channel there is a program named 'What on Earth ?'. One of
>>>> the episodes shows a preserved part of the death zone and the wall.
>>>
>>> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>>
>> Not the first Berlin wall, in Frederick's time there was a wall around Berlin
>> that controlled who entered and left the city, so the famous story about
>> the King scanning the list of who entered and left the city that day,
>> and finding Papa Bach's name on it.
>
> Frederick's? Hard to search for it as by chance there is an author

I was referring to the king of Prussia. The story is well known.

> Frederick Taylor, who wrote a book about the Berlin Wall.
>
>> When I was there, around 05 or so, part of the section around the Gate
>> had chicken wire protecting it from souvanier hunters.
>>
>> It was very amusing at the time that people were leaving Ireland at the
>> time,( one of our periodic down cycles) faster than Ossies were leaving
>> East Germany, yet nobody was noticing.
>
> Berlin was center of the Cold War and thus focus in the eyes of the
> world. If the Soviets would had invaded West-Berlin, Americans would had
> defended, most luckily ending in Worlds War III, with bots sites nuking
^ (both?)
> each other.
>
> One day it was close. Russians wouldn't allow American army personal to
> transit to the east, denying access. Then American tanks rushed to the
> site, with Soviet tanks joining, their barrels standing some 100 feet
> from each other. Every tank driver had their finger on the trigger. One
> "itching" and a shot might have been fired, resulting in a chain
> reaction.

Or so it was said.
>
> Soviet commanders ordered their tanks to inch back, and the American
> followed suite, deescalating a dangerous situation. Americans also get
> access to the eastern part back.
>
> There is some footage documenting that. I can try to find that if anyone
> is interested.

My cousin was in the area, driving (I must emphasise) a US tank. He died
some years ago, reminding us of the king of Kings sad saying as his giant
army crossed to Europe, ``In time, they will all be dead anyway.''

I knew a man who served the US in Korea, When he had a few drinks he
would talk about that, and then tell us.

``If I have any complaint, I can walk into the White house, open the
door, and demand the President do something about it.''

That was then, martin. This is now. Perhaps it is time for a modern
General Yorck to walk through the snow and make peace.

Peace to you all.
--
greymausg@mail.org

Where is our money gone, Dude?
Do you want earwigs with that?.

> Frederick's? Hard to search for it as by chance there is an author
> Frederick Taylor, who wrote a book about the Berlin Wall.

Try "frederick the great".

De

On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>
> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.

Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.

Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
it was literally the Iron Curtain.

>>> Not the first Berlin wall, in Frederick's time there was a wall around Berlin
>>> that controlled who entered and left the city, so the famous story about
>>> the King scanning the list of who entered and left the city that day,
>>> and finding Papa Bach's name on it.
>>
>> Frederick's? Hard to search for it as by chance there is an author
>
> I was referring to the king of Prussia. The story is well known.

OK. My history knowledge doesn't go back that far.

>> Frederick Taylor, who wrote a book about the Berlin Wall.
>>
>>> When I was there, around 05 or so, part of the section around the Gate
>>> had chicken wire protecting it from souvanier hunters.
>>>
>>> It was very amusing at the time that people were leaving Ireland at the
>>> time,( one of our periodic down cycles) faster than Ossies were leaving
>>> East Germany, yet nobody was noticing.
>>
>> Berlin was center of the Cold War and thus focus in the eyes of the
>> world. If the Soviets would had invaded West-Berlin, Americans would had
>> defended, most luckily ending in Worlds War III, with bots sites nuking
> ^ (both?)
>> each other.

Yes, "both". "Bot" was accepted by my spell checker, sorry.

[...]
--
Andreas

On 2022-08-17, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>
> Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.
>
> Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
> only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
> it was literally the Iron Curtain.

History is not a linear process, it is circular, like taking the wrong
train home, and discovering that the hills that were supposed to be to
be on the left are passing on the right. Strain to reach Enlightenment.
>
>>>> Not the first Berlin wall, in Frederick's time there was a wall around Berlin
>>>> that controlled who entered and left the city, so the famous story about
>>>> the King scanning the list of who entered and left the city that day,
>>>> and finding Papa Bach's name on it.
>>>
>>> Frederick's? Hard to search for it as by chance there is an author
>>
>> I was referring to the king of Prussia. The story is well known.
>
> OK. My history knowledge doesn't go back that far.

Godel, Escher,Bach (sp?) by Hoffsteader, or perhaps Hasselhoff :)
>
>>> Frederick Taylor, who wrote a book about the Berlin Wall.
>>>
>>>> When I was there, around 05 or so, part of the section around the Gate
>>>> had chicken wire protecting it from souvanier hunters.
>>>>
>>>> It was very amusing at the time that people were leaving Ireland at the
>>>> time,( one of our periodic down cycles) faster than Ossies were leaving
>>>> East Germany, yet nobody was noticing.
>>>
>>> Berlin was center of the Cold War and thus focus in the eyes of the
>>> world. If the Soviets would had invaded West-Berlin, Americans would had
>>> defended, most luckily ending in Worlds War III, with bots sites nuking
>> ^ (both?)
>>> each other.
>
> Yes, "both". "Bot" was accepted by my spell checker, sorry.

`Bot' is bad at the moment. The world does not end after Sandy Hook.
>
> [...]

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Where is our money gone, Dude?
Do you want earwigs with that?.

Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:
>On 16 Aug 2022 21:11:11 GMT, maus wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On 16 Aug 2022 07:03:56 GMT, maus wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 2022-08-16, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The video is called "Walled In" at
>>>>><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwQsTzGkbiY> and runs 11 minutes. For
>>>>> those interested what afford the GDR did to keep their citizens in.
>
>Anybody cared watching? Because no one comments.

I suspect folks have other things on their mind right now. For most
people under 40, the cold war is ancient history recorded in textbooks.

>
>Of course Berlin was far away from people in America, so the wall might
>only have brought chilly feelings to those in Germany or Europe. Despite,
>it was literally the Iron Curtain.

It was also thirty years ago, those who lived through those
times aren't interested in reliving them and the younger set
are too interested in ticktock and farcebook.

I do have a couple chunks of the wall - my parents were in Berlin
a week after the wall went down. I've a picture of my father with
a hammer pounding on the wall.