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* Why the Soviet computer failedAndreas Kohlbach
+- Re: Why the Soviet computer failedRobin Vowels
+- Re: Why the Soviet computer failedBill Findlay
+* Re: Why the Soviet computer failedRoger Blake
|+* Re: Why the Soviet computer failedPeter Flass
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|`* Re: Why the Soviet computer failedRobin Vowels
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|  | |  `- Re: Why the Soviet computer failedDave Garland
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Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
US in the "computer race".

Suppose one can project that are the same reasons Russia today can't do
without massive technology support from outside.
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Andreas

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 by: Robin Vowels - Thu, 28 Jul 2022 02:02 UTC

On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 7:25:21 AM UTC+10, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
> US in the "computer race".
..
The claim that the BESM-1 was the fastest computer in Europe is
false. The quoted speed is 8,000 to 10,000 operations per second.
..
Pilot ACE's speed in 1950 was 33,000 operations per second,
achieved with a clock speed of 1 MHz.

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 by: Bill Findlay - Thu, 28 Jul 2022 14:51 UTC

On 27 Jul 2022, Andreas Kohlbach wrote
(in article <87pmhq1c5c.fsf@usenet.ankman.de>):

> Found this<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
> US in the "computer race".
>
> Suppose one can project that are the same reasons Russia today can't do
> without massive technology support from outside.

"solving complicated quadratic equations for fission"

LOL

--
Bill Findlay

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 by: Roger Blake - Thu, 28 Jul 2022 22:19 UTC

On 2022-07-27, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
> US in the "computer race".

The Russkie talks big but frankly he's short on know-how. You can't expect
a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.

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"Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental
protection... the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually
an economy summit during which the distribution of the world's
resources will be negotiated." -- Ottmar Edenhofer, IPCC
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 by: Peter Flass - Fri, 29 Jul 2022 00:52 UTC

Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
> On 2022-07-27, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
>> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
>> US in the "computer race".
>
> The Russkie talks big but frankly he's short on know-how. You can't expect
> a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.
>

The thing is, there are a lot of smart Russians. Their programming skills
are tops, but unfortunately they seem to apply them more to hacking than
productive uses. I think it’s mostly their system that holds them back. The
current idiot in the Kremlin hasn’t helped

--
Pete

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 by: jtmpreno - Fri, 29 Jul 2022 02:25 UTC

On 7/28/2022 3:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
> On 2022-07-27, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
>> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
>> US in the "computer race".
>
> The Russkie talks big but frankly he's short on know-how. You can't expect
> a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.
>

That sounds like it came from Dr. Strangelove.

The reason is more likely to be that the Soviet Union was a centrally
controlled economy.

The Russian economy is still centrally controlled by the oligarchs who
run it for Putin.

We have our own oligarchs running our economy but there is still some
room for innovation.

They let the little people invent new things, develop markets for them,
and then either buy the small companies or use the small companies'
patents and then sue the small companies into bankruptcy and then buy
the patents for almost nothing.

That way the big companies don't have to invest in R&D. They spend their
money on marketing.

We get more and more like Russia all the time. And eventually the
Trumpers could be successful and we will have a dictatorship just like
Russia.

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 by: Roger Blake - Fri, 29 Jul 2022 04:26 UTC

On 2022-07-29, jtmpreno <none@znet.com> wrote:
> That sounds like it came from Dr. Strangelove.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6b9wp7lsxo

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protection... the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually
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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Fri, 29 Jul 2022 05:05 UTC

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 17:52:43 -0700, Peter Flass wrote:
>
> Roger Blake <rogblake@iname.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2022-07-27, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
>>> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
>>> US in the "computer race".
>>
>> The Russkie talks big but frankly he's short on know-how. You can't expect
>> a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.
>>
>
> The thing is, there are a lot of smart Russians. Their programming skills
> are tops, but unfortunately they seem to apply them more to hacking than
> productive uses. I think it’s mostly their system that holds them back. The
> current idiot in the Kremlin hasn’t helped

Exactly. There are smart Russian computer scientists. But the politicians
of that era didn't see what they could provide.
--
Andreas

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 by: Scott Lurndal - Fri, 29 Jul 2022 15:52 UTC

jtmpreno <none@znet.com> writes:
>On 7/28/2022 3:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>> On 2022-07-27, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
>>> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
>>> US in the "computer race".
>>
>> The Russkie talks big but frankly he's short on know-how. You can't expect
>> a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.
>>
>
>That sounds like it came from Dr. Strangelove.

Blake is a noted nutcase.

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 by: Dan Espen - Fri, 29 Jul 2022 17:04 UTC

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> jtmpreno <none@znet.com> writes:
>>On 7/28/2022 3:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>>> On 2022-07-27, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
>>>> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
>>>> US in the "computer race".
>>>
>>> The Russkie talks big but frankly he's short on know-how. You can't expect
>>> a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.
>>
>>That sounds like it came from Dr. Strangelove.
>
> Blake is a noted nutcase.

Actually he has advocated multiple times for killing a full half of
the population of the USA. A thoroughly disgusting character.
His first proposals were for hanging all liberals from lamp posts.
I guess he figured out that when you hang someone their bowels let loose
and maybe he decided that would make a big mess. Now he just wants to put
people that disagree with him in "camps". Same outcome but hidden away.
What a POS.

--
Dan Espen

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 by: maus - Fri, 29 Jul 2022 18:14 UTC

On 2022-07-29, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>
>> jtmpreno <none@znet.com> writes:
>>>On 7/28/2022 3:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
>>>> On 2022-07-27, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>>> Found this <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnHdqPBrtH8>
>>>>> interesting. Reasons, why the Soviet Union/Russia never caught up to the
>>>>> US in the "computer race".
>>>>
>>>> The Russkie talks big but frankly he's short on know-how. You can't expect
>>>> a bunch of ignorant peons to understand a machine like some of our boys.
>>>
>>>That sounds like it came from Dr. Strangelove.
>>
>> Blake is a noted nutcase.
>
> Actually he has advocated multiple times for killing a full half of
> the population of the USA. A thoroughly disgusting character.
> His first proposals were for hanging all liberals from lamp posts.
> I guess he figured out that when you hang someone their bowels let loose
> and maybe he decided that would make a big mess. Now he just wants to put
> people that disagree with him in "camps". Same outcome but hidden away.
> What a POS.
>
>

Seems to be a forward looking character, reminds me of the local story;

man comes into the pub after falling out with his wife, calls for a
pint, and tells the barman that `all women should be shot', the bar man continues
to shine the glasses and remarks "you will need lots of ammunition"

--
greymausg@mail.com
Fe, Fi, Fo, Fum, I smell the blood of an Influencer.

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On 2022-07-29, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Blake is a noted nutcase.

Funny thing is I say the same thing about you and your ilk.

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"Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental
protection... the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually
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On 2022-07-29, Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually he has advocated multiple times for killing a full half of
> the population of the USA. A thoroughly disgusting character.
> His first proposals were for hanging all liberals from lamp posts.

Why thank you. Coming from you that is quite a compliment. I make
no secret of the fact that I believe it is necessary to round up
Leftists and eradicate them so the rest of us can get on with our
lives without their constant and relentless interference. There is
really no other reasonable way to deal with the problem. More people
are coming to this realization every day and Leftists continue
to relentlessly destroy every aspect of our way of life. Quite a
few more than you might think, most simply do not voice it. It really
is only a matter of time.

> and maybe he decided that would make a big mess. Now he just wants to put
> people that disagree with him in "camps". Same outcome but hidden away.

No, I do not want to hold them in camps. They might find their way back.
They must be totally and completely eradicated. Turned into vapour and
poured into the stratosphere. This is not a "discussion". The Left must
be utterly destroyed.

> What a POS.

Thank you once again.

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On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:04:03 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>
> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>
>> Blake is a noted nutcase.
>
> Actually he has advocated multiple times for killing a full half of
> the population of the USA. A thoroughly disgusting character.

But there were some people who liked to be nuked.

Just recently I saw a video where 5 officers voluntarily had themselves
"nuked" by stranding on the ground of the Nevada desert with a relatively
small nuke was detonated on top. Besides a short burst of heat and a
small shockwave nothing happened to them. Some lived to become 90 years old.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob> (5th paragraph).

Reason for that publicity stunt was to ensure the American population
that the United States might explode some nukes above them. Because there
did not exist a technology to shoot down a number of (Russian) bombers
the idea was to explode a nuke in the center of them to take them out.
--
Andreas

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On 2022-07-30, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:04:03 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>
>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>>
>>> Blake is a noted nutcase.
>>
>> Actually he has advocated multiple times for killing a full half of
>> the population of the USA. A thoroughly disgusting character.
>
> But there were some people who liked to be nuked.
>
> Just recently I saw a video where 5 officers voluntarily had themselves
> "nuked" by stranding on the ground of the Nevada desert with a relatively
> small nuke was detonated on top. Besides a short burst of heat and a
> small shockwave nothing happened to them. Some lived to become 90 years old.
>
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob> (5th paragraph).

My memory of an incident like that is different. How many of the early
workers in atomic bombs died early. How old was Feynman or Oppenheimer
when they died??
>
> Reason for that publicity stunt was to ensure the American population
> that the United States might explode some nukes above them. Because there
> did not exist a technology to shoot down a number of (Russian) bombers
> the idea was to explode a nuke in the center of them to take them
> out.
I remember a story that the US exploded a bomb well above hawaii to
see what would happen. A lot of computers had to be replaced. I
remember the muppet show, Dr. Bunsen honeydew and his assistant
Beaker. Go back to the 1930, and the support that some peoplein high
places gave to `eugenics'.

--
greymausg@mail.org
Fi Fi Fo Fum, I smell the stench of an influencer
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 by: jtmpreno - Sat, 30 Jul 2022 20:13 UTC

On 7/30/2022 11:42 AM, maus wrote:
> On 2022-07-30, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:04:03 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>
>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>>>
>>>> Blake is a noted nutcase.
>>>
>>> Actually he has advocated multiple times for killing a full half of
>>> the population of the USA. A thoroughly disgusting character.
>>
>> But there were some people who liked to be nuked.
>>
>> Just recently I saw a video where 5 officers voluntarily had themselves
>> "nuked" by stranding on the ground of the Nevada desert with a relatively
>> small nuke was detonated on top. Besides a short burst of heat and a
>> small shockwave nothing happened to them. Some lived to become 90 years old.
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob> (5th paragraph).
>
> My memory of an incident like that is different. How many of the early
> workers in atomic bombs died early. How old was Feynman or Oppenheimer
> when they died??
>>
>> Reason for that publicity stunt was to ensure the American population
>> that the United States might explode some nukes above them. Because there
>> did not exist a technology to shoot down a number of (Russian) bombers
>> the idea was to explode a nuke in the center of them to take them
>> out.
>
> I remember a story that the US exploded a bomb well above hawaii to
> see what would happen. A lot of computers had to be replaced. I
> remember the muppet show, Dr. Bunsen honeydew and his assistant
> Beaker. Go back to the 1930, and the support that some peoplein high
> places gave to `eugenics'.
>

Does Dr. Bunsen use only burner phones?

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On 2022-07-30, jtmpreno <none@znet.com> wrote:
> On 7/30/2022 11:42 AM, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-07-30, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 29 Jul 2022 13:04:03 -0400, Dan Espen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Blake is a noted nutcase.
>>>>
>>>> Actually he has advocated multiple times for killing a full half of
>>>> the population of the USA. A thoroughly disgusting character.
>>>
>>> But there were some people who liked to be nuked.
>>>
>>> Just recently I saw a video where 5 officers voluntarily had themselves
>>> "nuked" by stranding on the ground of the Nevada desert with a relatively
>>> small nuke was detonated on top. Besides a short burst of heat and a
>>> small shockwave nothing happened to them. Some lived to become 90 years old.
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob> (5th paragraph).
>>
>> My memory of an incident like that is different. How many of the early
>> workers in atomic bombs died early. How old was Feynman or Oppenheimer
>> when they died??
>>>
>>> Reason for that publicity stunt was to ensure the American population
>>> that the United States might explode some nukes above them. Because there
>>> did not exist a technology to shoot down a number of (Russian) bombers
>>> the idea was to explode a nuke in the center of them to take them
>>> out.
>>
>> I remember a story that the US exploded a bomb well above hawaii to
>> see what would happen. A lot of computers had to be replaced. I
>> remember the muppet show, Dr. Bunsen honeydew and his assistant
>> Beaker. Go back to the 1930, and the support that some peoplein high
>> places gave to `eugenics'.
>>
>
> Does Dr. Bunsen use only burner phones?
>
>

He got Beaker to make the calls.

--
greymausg@mail.org
Fi Fi Fo Fum, I smell the stench of an influencer
ten, twenty million tops

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 30 Jul 2022 21:16 UTC

On 30 Jul 2022 20:29:59 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> On 2022-07-30, jtmpreno <none@znet.com> wrote:
> > On 7/30/2022 11:42 AM, maus wrote:
> >> I remember a story that the US exploded a bomb well above hawaii to
> >> see what would happen. A lot of computers had to be replaced. I
> >> remember the muppet show, Dr. Bunsen honeydew and his assistant
> >> Beaker. Go back to the 1930, and the support that some peoplein high
> >> places gave to `eugenics'.
> >
> > Does Dr. Bunsen use only burner phones?
> >
>
> He got Beaker to make the calls.

Couldn't he stand the retort?

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 02:46 UTC

On 30 Jul 2022 18:42:47 GMT, maus wrote:
>
> On 2022-07-30, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>
>> But there were some people who liked to be nuked.
>>
>> Just recently I saw a video where 5 officers voluntarily had themselves
>> "nuked" by stranding on the ground of the Nevada desert with a relatively
>> small nuke was detonated on top. Besides a short burst of heat and a
>> small shockwave nothing happened to them. Some lived to become 90 years old.
>>
>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob> (5th paragraph).
>
> My memory of an incident like that is different. How many of the early
> workers in atomic bombs died early. How old was Feynman or Oppenheimer
> when they died??

No doubt. But that was a publicity stunt. The nuke only had 1.5 kilotons (TNT)
and was exploded somewhere at 20,000 feet (6 kilometers) over their
heads. Suppose there was no risk for them.

So that US "can" feel safe, if US nukes explode over their heads to take
out Russian bombers. That was the message to send.

>> Reason for that publicity stunt was to ensure the American population
>> that the United States might explode some nukes above them. Because there
>> did not exist a technology to shoot down a number of (Russian) bombers
>> the idea was to explode a nuke in the center of them to take them
>> out.
>
> I remember a story that the US exploded a bomb well above hawaii to
> see what would happen. A lot of computers had to be replaced. I
> remember the muppet show, Dr. Bunsen honeydew and his assistant
> Beaker. Go back to the 1930, and the support that some peoplein high
> places gave to `eugenics'.

The satellite Telstar I was also brought down by a nuke.
--
Andreas

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 by: D.J. - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 18:00 UTC

On Sat, 30 Jul 2022 22:46:32 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>On 30 Jul 2022 18:42:47 GMT, maus wrote:
>>
>> On 2022-07-30, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> But there were some people who liked to be nuked.
>>>
>>> Just recently I saw a video where 5 officers voluntarily had themselves
>>> "nuked" by stranding on the ground of the Nevada desert with a relatively
>>> small nuke was detonated on top. Besides a short burst of heat and a
>>> small shockwave nothing happened to them. Some lived to become 90 years old.
>>>
>>><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plumbbob> (5th paragraph).
>>
>> My memory of an incident like that is different. How many of the early
>> workers in atomic bombs died early. How old was Feynman or Oppenheimer
>> when they died??
>
>No doubt. But that was a publicity stunt. The nuke only had 1.5 kilotons (TNT)
>and was exploded somewhere at 20,000 feet (6 kilometers) over their
>heads. Suppose there was no risk for them.
>
>So that US "can" feel safe, if US nukes explode over their heads to take
>out Russian bombers. That was the message to send.

Many of those nukes were set to blow up the incoming missiles over
Canada.

>>> Reason for that publicity stunt was to ensure the American population
>>> that the United States might explode some nukes above them. Because there
>>> did not exist a technology to shoot down a number of (Russian) bombers
>>> the idea was to explode a nuke in the center of them to take them
>>> out.
>>
>> I remember a story that the US exploded a bomb well above hawaii to
>> see what would happen. A lot of computers had to be replaced. I
>> remember the muppet show, Dr. Bunsen honeydew and his assistant
>> Beaker. Go back to the 1930, and the support that some peoplein high
>> places gave to `eugenics'.
>
>The satellite Telstar I was also brought down by a nuke.

We, my parents and I, visited the dome in Maine where the Telstars
were controlled from, and the expensive transatlantic phone calls went
through. I tried to take a photo on the antenna, inside the geodesic
dome, but I didn't have a flash. I think I still have the B&W photos
of the exterior.
--
Jim

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Sun, 31 Jul 2022 21:20 UTC

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:00:08 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>
> We, my parents and I, visited the dome in Maine where the Telstars
> were controlled from, and the expensive transatlantic phone calls went
> through. I tried to take a photo on the antenna, inside the geodesic
> dome, but I didn't have a flash. I think I still have the B&W photos
> of the exterior.

Could be worth trying to digitally archiving them.
--
Andreas

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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:20:01 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
<ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:00:08 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>
>> We, my parents and I, visited the dome in Maine where the Telstars
>> were controlled from, and the expensive transatlantic phone calls went
>> through. I tried to take a photo on the antenna, inside the geodesic
>> dome, but I didn't have a flash. I think I still have the B&W photos
>> of the exterior.
>
>Could be worth trying to digitally archiving them.

Have to find them... in one of around 100 storage boxes in a storage
shed where the wasps like to fly around and sting. I do try looking
through them. Found some of my early photo albums, but not those
pictures.
--
Jim

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D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:20:01 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:00:08 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>>
>>> We, my parents and I, visited the dome in Maine where the Telstars
>>> were controlled from, and the expensive transatlantic phone calls went
>>> through. I tried to take a photo on the antenna, inside the geodesic
>>> dome, but I didn't have a flash. I think I still have the B&W photos
>>> of the exterior.
>>
>> Could be worth trying to digitally archiving them.
>
> Have to find them... in one of around 100 storage boxes in a storage
> shed where the wasps like to fly around and sting. I do try looking
> through them. Found some of my early photo albums, but not those
> pictures.
> --
> Jim
>

Wow, I thought I was bad! I’ve got probably 30 boxes in my office, and am
trying to work thru them a few at a time. Easy to toss out the “why did I
take this” photos if hills and lakes, but that still leaves a lot. My goal
is to digitize the few of them worth saving and have them all cleaned out.

--
Pete

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On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 18:05:44 -0700, Peter Flass
<peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:20:01 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
>> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:00:08 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We, my parents and I, visited the dome in Maine where the Telstars
>>>> were controlled from, and the expensive transatlantic phone calls went
>>>> through. I tried to take a photo on the antenna, inside the geodesic
>>>> dome, but I didn't have a flash. I think I still have the B&W photos
>>>> of the exterior.
>>>
>>> Could be worth trying to digitally archiving them.
>>
>> Have to find them... in one of around 100 storage boxes in a storage
>> shed where the wasps like to fly around and sting. I do try looking
>> through them. Found some of my early photo albums, but not those
>> pictures.
>>
>
>Wow, I thought I was bad! I’ve got probably 30 boxes in my office, and am
>trying to work thru them a few at a time. Easy to toss out the “why did I
>take this” photos if hills and lakes, but that still leaves a lot. My goal
>is to digitize the few of them worth saving and have them all cleaned out.

Back last century when my dad was in the US Army, he asked the mover
why our furniture weghed so much. The boss of the truck pointed to me
and said half of the weight was mine.

I have been finding, and shredding into confetti, my university
homework. And other things I don't need.

--
Jim

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Tue, 2 Aug 2022 02:48 UTC

On Mon, 01 Aug 2022 09:42:13 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>
> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 18:05:44 -0700, Peter Flass
> <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>D.J. <chucktheouch@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 17:20:01 -0400, Andreas Kohlbach
>>> <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:00:08 -0500, D.J. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> We, my parents and I, visited the dome in Maine where the Telstars
>>>>> were controlled from, and the expensive transatlantic phone calls went
>>>>> through. I tried to take a photo on the antenna, inside the geodesic
>>>>> dome, but I didn't have a flash. I think I still have the B&W photos
>>>>> of the exterior.
>>>>
>>>> Could be worth trying to digitally archiving them.
>>>
>>> Have to find them... in one of around 100 storage boxes in a storage
>>> shed where the wasps like to fly around and sting. I do try looking
>>> through them. Found some of my early photo albums, but not those
>>> pictures.
>>>
>>
>>Wow, I thought I was bad! I’ve got probably 30 boxes in my office, and am
>>trying to work thru them a few at a time. Easy to toss out the “why did I
>>take this” photos if hills and lakes, but that still leaves a lot. My goal
>>is to digitize the few of them worth saving and have them all cleaned out.
>
> Back last century when my dad was in the US Army, he asked the mover
> why our furniture weghed so much. The boss of the truck pointed to me
> and said half of the weight was mine.
>
> I have been finding, and shredding into confetti, my university
> homework. And other things I don't need.

Sad when documents fade out of existence because people who have access
don't bother and eventually pass away. A company specialized in clearing
out might just turn them into confetti.

Was writing some programs with a friend in the 80s and saved them on
tape. He always said he wanted to see if he can save them. Never
happened.

Other people might have some older photos taken from us some 40 years
ago. Even if they don't own a scanner (although most 3-in-1 printer have
a scanner) they could have used a smart phone to make a copy. Is not
going to happen.

Am too far away to go there and do it myself. So this will all be lost
for ever at some point. Sad, because it could have taken just a few hours
to locate and make a digital copy of them.

One guy did it though Christmas a few years ago as gift. He had Amiga
floppy disks where documents were saved I wrote in the 1980s. He managed
to dump the content into a file. And although I don't own an Amiga
anymore I could fire up an emulator to see them again. Was a great
feeling of nostalgia for me.
--
Andreas

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