On 2/25/2022 6:27 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> It's fixed !!
>
> I had to go to the store so I turned it off to test it;
> I came back and turned it on and it started immediately!
> Just like the 780.
>
> So it worked! and I didn't break any of the tabs when removing
> the wires.
>
> I put it behind the spare optical drive door where there's
> plenty of room and taped it down. I feed the wires through
> one of the holes in the metal case and just wrapped it around
> the switch wires as a guide down to where it plugs in.
>
> I also cleaned all the dust off when I had it out with a artist
> paint brush.
>
> Many thanks for all your good help and patience.
>
> p.s. in passing I was looking for a small vacuum
> without much luck to get inside the computer to
> clean it but found this which seems to be pretty good.
>
> https://www.micromark.com/Miniature-Vacuum-Kit
>
> What do you think?
>
> Robert
>

And no soldering :-)

Paul

On 2/25/2022 6:27 PM, Robert in CA wrote:

> p.s. in passing I was looking for a small vacuum
> without much luck to get inside the computer to
> clean it but found this which seems to be pretty good.
>
> https://www.micromark.com/Miniature-Vacuum-Kit
>
> What do you think?
>
> Robert

Sorry, missed the vacuum question.

I have one of those kits. The big part fits in
a Hoover pipe. I use the transparent hose section.
There is one piece of plastic that fits into the tube.
I don't use the "tools" that plug into the plastic adapter,
because there might not be enough vacuum action
if there is too much restriction.

The fat section has a collar that rotates, to increase
or decrease the vacuum action.

I use that for cleaning the fins on the CPU heatsink,
but that's about all.

Paul

Yep ! no soldering or crimping!
It was an excellent solution!

Robert

I was just asking if you like the kit in general
and would it be good to clean computers.
In my case I have allot of dust I would like to
clean off and it looks like it's small enough where
I can get to it especially with the flexible hose.

I had (3) flawless starts now with the new switch.
It starts immediately now, just like the 780.

Again many thanks, that was a brilliant solution,

Robert

I thought you might be interested in seeing the
switch location.

https://postimg.cc/RqLjk0tW

Again the computer started immediately! It was
a great solution.

Many thanks for all your great help,

Robert

We have another problem, this time on the 780

I had logged on and was updating Avast and there
was several pop-ups that needed to be closed and
Macrium 8 update was in there and must have updated
Macrium to v8.

I had to restart the 780 after Avast updated and when
I checked Macrium to see if it did update it gave me this:

https://postimg.cc/BXxX9Hgx

Then I tried again and got this:

https://postimg.cc/N5wj4LcL

I cancelled the download but looks like I have V8.0.6353 now

https://postimg.cc/F7mhSqyL

So do I do a mrimg restore to bring back V7?

Thanks,
Robert

On 2/26/2022 5:41 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> We have another problem, this time on the 780
>
> I had logged on and was updating Avast and there
> was several pop-ups that needed to be closed and
> Macrium 8 update was in there and must have updated
> Macrium to v8.
>
> I had to restart the 780 after Avast updated and when
> I checked Macrium to see if it did update it gave me this:
>
> https://postimg.cc/BXxX9Hgx
>
> Then I tried again and got this:
>
> https://postimg.cc/N5wj4LcL
>
> I cancelled the download but looks like I have V8.0.6353 now
>
> https://postimg.cc/F7mhSqyL
>
> So do I do a mrimg restore to bring back V7?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>

Did you look through your collection, to see
if you have a V7 installer ?

*******

The problem with items like this, is it is hard to know
if they fetch the exact version or not. All they have to
do on the server, is link in some other version, and then
the stub downloader won't work.

https://filehippo.com/download_macrium-reflect/7.2.4325.0.0/

SHA1: 5736a997393fe527ee62363f78a2cc968783ec6d

Filename: ReflectDLHF.exe

I don't have a sample of that stub downloader, because
I would never consider there is a need to keep it. So I can't
verify the SHA1 is unadulterated.

*******

Again, I don't have the MSI installer file I want. But I do have
several samples, so you can see the naming convention.

C:\Windows\Installer
reflect_setupv8.0.6353-x64-00.msi <=== these files have identical size
1a5284.msi <=== and the same checksum

During installation of the MSI, it seems to make a copy and
anonymize it. But the "Properties" of the file remain.

You can copy out a MSI file, place it in your downloads,
right-click it and select "install".

*******

I could only find the one copy of the actual file. I compared
it to the one I have on-hand in my collection, and they're the same file.
You can compute a SHA1 using the 7ZIP right-click menu entitled "CRC SHA".
That's a shellex in the File Explorer menu, for computing a checksum like SHA1.

https://www.filehorse.com/es/descargar-macrium-reflect-64/41206/?amp

Name: v7.2.4325_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe
Size: 104571600 bytes (99 MiB)
SHA1: D6AB97F062B0FFDF5CFA75144F05A3621D9502CE

Name: v7.2.4325_reflect_setup_free_x64a.exe
Size: 104571600 bytes (99 MiB)
SHA1: D6AB97F062B0FFDF5CFA75144F05A3621D9502CE

Download links on sites like this, age out quickly, so this link will
no longer be valid. They force you to see the advertising.

https://dl.filehorse.com/win/compression-and-backup/macrium-reflect-64/Macrium-Reflect-Free-Edition-7.2.4325-(64-bit).exe?st=3qkXo76VhLi24GULQL1_ig&e=1646009042&fn=v7.2.4325_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe

When the pestulent Google ad-box appears on the second web page,
you don't have to click it, because the download dialog box soon
appears and you can complete the download without fighting
with the Google crapola.

When you go here:

https://www.filehorse.com/es/descargar-macrium-reflect-64/41206/?amp

1) Click the Lime Green "Descargar Libre"

2) On the next page, it's the Lime Green "Descargar Ahora"

When the white dialog with *rounded* corners appears, don't click it.
That is likely the Google click-thru advert, which is intended to
stop robots.

A regular download dialog box with the filename

v7.2.4325_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe

will appear for you to save.

*******

What you could do, is go to Control Panels : Programs and Features
and remove the V8 install. Do not select the option to remove your settings.

Then install v7.2.4325_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe .

Good luck,

Paul

On 2/26/2022 5:25 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I thought you might be interested in seeing the
> switch location.
>
> https://postimg.cc/RqLjk0tW
>
> Again the computer started immediately! It was
> a great solution.
>
> Many thanks for all your great help,
>
> Robert
>

Now, that's the way I'd do it, because I hate a fuss.

There is little on that switch, that can be used for mounting it.
I'd have to build a box out of plexiglass to make something nice looking.

Paul

I just checked and both computers have V8 on the 8500
it has V8 .0.6392 and on the 780 it has V8.0.6353!

I ran the download on both computers for V7.2.4325 which
had a download for V7.3.6391 along with many previous
download versions leading up to that point. On the 8500 it
asked if I wanted to upgrade to V8 now, later, never and I
choose never.

I also bookmarked the download

Thanks again for all your great help,
Robert

Well it's functional if nothing else and the flat surface
adds to its stability. I'm still impressed at how the 8500
starts immediately now.

Thanks again,
Robert

Here's the 8500 Macrium:

https://postimg.cc/2LkFXK03

Robert

On 2/27/2022 12:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Here's the 8500 Macrium:
>
> https://postimg.cc/2LkFXK03
>
> Robert

Keep the installer file, in case you need it again.

Paul

I bookmarked it in my downloads folder on both
computers.

In passing, I did look to see if I had the V7 installer
and there was a Macrium Reflect folder in Programs
or X86 Programs I can't remember on both computers
but when I opened it it had all sorts of applications etc.
I didn't know which to pick?

Thanks again,
Robert

p.s. I did go into the Control Panel as you instructed
and uninstalled V8 first.

Robert

On 2/27/2022 1:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I bookmarked it in my downloads folder on both
> computers.
>
> In passing, I did look to see if I had the V7 installer
> and there was a Macrium Reflect folder in Programs
> or X86 Programs I can't remember on both computers
> but when I opened it it had all sorts of applications etc.
> I didn't know which to pick?
>
> Thanks again,
> Robert
>

But that would be the installation of Macrium 8 or whatever.
The final program file is not the same thing as the initial
EXE or MSI installer.

The MSI file might be in C:\Windows\Installer , but that folder is
hidden, and in File Explorer : Folder Options you need to have
the correct boxes ticked for maximum visibility (so stuff like
that and AppData show up).

The reason C:\Windows\Installer exists, is so that when you're in
Programs and Features (with your Administrator group account), you
can select Uninstall or Repair. A Repair for a program
entry, can open the MSI file and use it to put files back
in C:\Program Files\ProductName.

But not every install is archived properly, and some, when you go
to select Repair or Uninstall, will tell you about a great file
that got erased a year ago, that now you need it again. I had one
like that to fix, just a couple days ago - it had gone missing.

Paul

Hmmmm I never thought about it being V8,
Of course, you're absolutely right.

At least we now are back to V7 again and have the
right folders/files hopefully but it's like you say not
every install is archived properly.

Hopefully I'm OK now. Just in time as I do my monthly
mrimg backups on the 1st of the month usually
and make sure I label which version I'm making and
number them to keep track of them easier.

I'm glad this was an easy fix for once *L*
Thanks,
Robert

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 at 20:39:38, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 2/26/2022 5:25 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>> I thought you might be interested in seeing the
>> switch location.
>> https://postimg.cc/RqLjk0tW
>> Again the computer started immediately! It was
>> a great solution.
>> Many thanks for all your great help,
>> Robert
>>
I had dropped out of the conversation as you seemed to be getting on
well - and then, when you'd fitted a new switch, all seemed to be well,
so sounds like it was the switch after all. (Presumably having to hold
the old one in for a while - at a guess - means it had gone high
resistance, and something has to charge, which took longer with a
high-resistance switch. [Be interesting to measure it with a - borrowed
if you still haven't got one - multimeter.])

However, I was curious, so tried to have a look at the above - but
(courtesy of https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/) "It's not just you!
postimg.cc is down." I don't know where ".Cc" is - maybe the current sad
situation is blocking things.
>
>Now, that's the way I'd do it, because I hate a fuss.
>
>There is little on that switch, that can be used for mounting it.
>I'd have to build a box out of plexiglass to make something nice looking.
>
> Paul
>
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's
money."

On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 at 20:37:45, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
>I could only find the one copy of the actual file. I compared
>it to the one I have on-hand in my collection, and they're the same file.
>You can compute a SHA1 using the 7ZIP right-click menu entitled "CRC SHA".

To compare two files that you actually have (as opposed to deciding
whether one available for download is different to the one you already
have), would you normally use an SHA1: is calculating SHA1 significantly
quicker than an "fc /b" (or other similar)? I'd have thought that
computing an SHA1 requires the whole file to b read anyway, but I may be
wrong about that, as I don't know how SHA1 works.
[]
>A regular download dialog box with the filename
>
> v7.2.4325_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe
>
>will appear for you to save.
>
>*******
>
>What you could do, is go to Control Panels : Programs and Features
>and remove the V8 install. Do not select the option to remove your settings.
>
>Then install v7.2.4325_reflect_setup_free_x64.exe .
>
>Good luck,
>
> Paul
>
>
I note the "x64" in both of those: I had assumed, since we're in the XP
'group, that Robert is running normal XP - am I wrong?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's
money."

On 2/27/2022 8:02 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 at 20:39:38, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> On 2/26/2022 5:25 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
>>> I thought you might be interested in seeing the
>>> switch location.
>>>  https://postimg.cc/RqLjk0tW
>>>  Again the computer started immediately! It was
>>> a great solution.
>>>  Many thanks for all your great help,
>>>  Robert
>>>
> I had dropped out of the conversation as you seemed to be getting on well - and then, when you'd fitted a new switch, all seemed to be well, so sounds like it was the switch after all. (Presumably having to hold the old one in for a while - at a guess - means it had gone high resistance, and something has to charge, which took longer with a high-resistance switch. [Be interesting to measure it with a - borrowed if you still haven't got one - multimeter.])
>
> However, I was curious, so tried to have a look at the above - but (courtesy of https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/) "It's not just you! postimg.cc is down." I don't know where ".Cc" is - maybe the current sad situation is blocking things.

Postimg has been down before, just recently.

It burns through $30,000 a month in bandwidth,
so a bad hair day once in a while is to be expected :-)

Paul

On 2/27/2022 8:09 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> I note the "x64" in both of those: I had assumed, since we're in the XP 'group, that Robert is running normal XP - am I wrong?

He is coming in via groups.google.com and there
is no Windows 7 group in GG. Both his machines are Windows 7,
and both x64 as far as I know.

Google groups doesn't have alt.windows7.general, and is also
missing many groups created over the years. But the microsoft.*
hierarchy made it to Google groups, all 2000 of them.

GG is probably a tiny bit more reliable than AIOE or E-S.

Paul

Yes, both computers are Win 7 x 64
and I always use O.T. to denote the
subject matter.

Robert

Paul has helped me over many, many problems
dating back to when I was using my Dell 8200
and has stayed with me for weeks in some cases
and explains everything in great detail and gives
excellent links and he has great in depth knowledge
and patience.

That's why I trust Paul and in addition he helped select
my Dell 780 and created my entire backup system
for me where I have a 6TB external hd for mrimgs.
for the 8500 and a 2TB external hd for the 780 along
with backup psu's for both computers and spare hd's
for both. So he knows my system extremely well
and helped put it together for me.

Thanks,
Robert

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 at 13:28:09, Robert in CA <magineer02@yahoo.com>
wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>Yes, both computers are Win 7 x 64
>and I always use O.T. to denote the
>subject matter.
>
>Robert

Yes, Paul has explained that you use Google Groups which does not carry
the '7 'group.

It's worth joining (for example) Eternal-September, IMO. Not just so you
can get the '7 (and other) 'groups direct, but because the GG UI is ...
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Q. How much is 2 + 2?
A. Thank you so much for asking your question.
Are you still having this problem? I'll be delighted to help you. Please
restate the problem twice and include your Windows version along with
all error logs.
- Mayayana in alt.windows7.general, 2018-11-1

I believe I tried that once and got no
response and I've also used the
malewarebtes forum.

However, Paul doesn't have a problem
with it and never raised the question once.

Thanks,
Robert