Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy?
>
> The only person trying to make that disingenuous claim is *you*.

Notice the ignorant low-IQ uneducated fear-filled iKooks have just called
the editors of 9to5mac.com liars - since they documented the overheating.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

What's evident is the low-IQ uneducated ignorant iKooks are deathly afraid
of any facts about Apple products - so they simply deny that facts exist.

Classic.
--
My role on these child-like Apple newsgroups is first and foremost to
spread the truth about Apple & to then show iKooks for what they are.

On Sep 28, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <uf5kkg$30in5$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
> > Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
> > a defect where I come from.
>
> Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that all these
> many well-respected magazine and testing editors are liars, Jolly Roger?
>
> You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?
>
> *You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?

> In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F – though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
(https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)

What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

On Sep 28, 2023, badgolferman wrote
(in article <uf4oam$3rnr1$1@dont-email.me>):
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
>> from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.
>
> What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported overheating
> problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
> you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
> iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

The difference of course is that ...

1. If everyone or even the majority of people are having
heat issues, then it's a design flaw, which seems unlikely
since such a simple thing would be picked up during the
testing (and despite the anti-Apple nutters' claims, Apple
does test their products before public release).

or

2. If only a few or minority of people are reporting heat
issues, then the problem is more likely either with their
particular device or the way they use it / what they use it
for, and everyone else's phone is still fine. (A mobile phone
is not meant to be a super computer!)

Pretty much every electronic device under the sign has heat issues to
some degree when under constant or high demand usage - electrical
current produces heat. Try touching the charger brick of any phone and
it wil be getting hot when charging.

On 9/29/23 00:07, Dorper wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2023, Wally J wrote
>> In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F – though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
> (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
>
> What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
>

I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote

> The difference of course is that ...
>
> 1. If everyone or even the majority of people are having
> heat issues, then it's a design flaw, which seems unlikely
> since such a simple thing would be picked up during the
> testing (and despite the anti-Apple nutters' claims, Apple
> does test their products before public release).

Think about what you just said in light of the fact Apple had extremely
severe power delivery problems which caused Apple over a billion dollars to
settle the resulting criminal and civil lawsuits as a direct result.

*Clearly Apple failed miserably at testing those iPhones... correct?*

>
> 2. If only a few or minority of people are reporting heat
> issues, then the problem is more likely either with their
> particular device or the way they use it / what they use it
> for, and everyone else's phone is still fine. (A mobile phone
> is not meant to be a super computer!)

The people reporting the iPhone 15 design flaws are well respected editors.
https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

Read the article. Their own employees reported those problems, YourName.

I get it that you hate all facts about Apple products, but your main
defense to all facts about Apple products is to deny that facts exist.

That's why you're an iKook, Your Name.
*You _hate_ all facts about Apple products.*

To the point that you simply deny that facts can exist.

> Pretty much every electronic device under the sign has heat issues to
> some degree when under constant or high demand usage - electrical
> current produces heat. Try touching the charger brick of any phone and
> it wil be getting hot when charging.

For you to claim that abnormal heat is normal when it's on an iPhone is the
height of the hypocrisy that makes you an iKook, Your Name.

Nobody is talking about "normal heat"; they're talking abnormal heat.

*Only an iKook would declare abnormal heat is normal when it's an iPhone.*

On 9/29/23 00:27, Your Name wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2023, badgolferman wrote
> (in article <uf4oam$3rnr1$1@dont-email.me>):
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
>>> from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.
>>
>> What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported overheating
>> problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or
>> unworthy? If
>> you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
>> iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.
>
> The difference of course is that ...
>
>   1.  If everyone or even the majority of people are having
>       heat issues, then it's a design flaw, which seems unlikely
>       since such a simple thing would be picked up during the
>       testing (and despite the anti-Apple nutters' claims, Apple
>       does test their products before public release).
>

If it's the majority, then Apple should probably do something about
fixing it/mitigation/compensation.

> or
>
>   2.  If only a few or minority of people are reporting heat
>       issues, then the problem is more likely either with their
>       particular device or the way they use it / what they use it
>       for, and everyone else's phone is still fine. (A mobile phone
>       is not meant to be a super computer!)
>

How many times have you seen someones phone get up to 110F? If it's so
prevalent that it's being reported on, then its not just the people
trying to run niche complex tasks.

> Pretty much every electronic device under the sign has heat issues to
> some degree when under constant or high demand usage - electrical
> current produces heat. Try touching the charger brick of any phone and
> it wil be getting hot when charging.
>
>
>

Not 110F hot. And you don't generally hold your power brick or put it in
your pocket.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 9/29/23 00:51, Wally J wrote:
> The people reporting the iPhone 15 design flaws are well respected editors.
> https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
> Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F
>
> Read the article. Their own employees reported those problems, YourName.

I can't find where in the article they mention Apple employee reports.
May have missed it somewhere, though..

>
> Nobody is talking about "normal heat"; they're talking abnormal heat.
>
> *Only an iKook would declare abnormal heat is normal when it's an iPhone.*

Yeah, if its bad enough to be reported something is wrong.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>>
>>> Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
>>> a defect where I come from.
>>
>> Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that all these
>> many well-respected magazine and testing editors are liars, Jolly Roger?
>>
>> You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?
>>
>> *You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?
>
>> In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
> (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
>
> What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?

I fully and completely understand your argument because it has been Apple's
argument from day one that all Apple design flaws are the consumers' fault.

It's teh consumer's fault that Apple advertised this iPhone as a gamers'
phone, and it's the consumers fault that this iPhone failed at that task.

It's _always_ consumers' fault whenever Apple products have design flaws.

On 9/29/23 01:03, Wally J wrote:

> I fully and completely understand your argument because it has been Apple's
> argument from day one that all Apple design flaws are the consumers' fault.
>
> It's teh consumer's fault that Apple advertised this iPhone as a gamers'
> phone, and it's the consumers fault that this iPhone failed at that task.
>
> It's _always_ consumers' fault whenever Apple products have design flaws.

They definitely have some pride in being ""perfect"" and deflect their
issues.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> The people reporting the iPhone 15 design flaws are well respected editors.
>> https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
>> Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F
>>
>> Read the article. Their own employees reported those problems, YourName.
>
> I can't find where in the article they mention Apple employee reports.
> May have missed it somewhere, though..

You jumped to conclusion nobody said so I should have been clearer,
although you would have understood had you read the article, right?
<https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1706188289827381490?s=20>

HINT: The employees were 9to5mac employees, specifically Ian Zelbo.
<https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1706188289827381490?s=20>

"My iPhone 15 Pro Max is almost too hot to touch
while fast charging right now. I thought people were
exaggerating, but no, this isn��t great.

Interestingly if I��m holding it, the left side rail and a
little of the back on the left side is what is the hottest '
by far�K lines up perfectly with the logic board."
>> Nobody is talking about "normal heat"; they're talking abnormal heat.
>>
>> *Only an iKook would declare abnormal heat is normal when it's an iPhone.*
>
> Yeah, if its bad enough to be reported something is wrong.

Note that it's "almost too hot to touch", which is pretty bad.

The excuse by the iKooks seems to be it's the consumers' fault that the
iPhone 15 is so hot during normal things like charging that they can barely
touch it.

And, the other iKooks' argument is that all facts about Apple are lies
(simply because the iKooks _hate_ these well-reported design flaws).

In addition, the iKooks claim Apple couldn't possibly have made a mistake
when they tested the iPhone 15 - which astounds me the most because Apple
just paid over a billion dollars to settle the many criminal and civil
cases arising over the fact Apple forgot to test earlier iPhones, right?

On 9/29/23 01:11, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> The people reporting the iPhone 15 design flaws are well respected editors.
>>> https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
>>> Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F
>>>
>>> Read the article. Their own employees reported those problems, YourName.
>>
>> I can't find where in the article they mention Apple employee reports.
>> May have missed it somewhere, though..
>
> You jumped to conclusion nobody said so I should have been clearer,
> although you would have understood had you read the article, right?
> <https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1706188289827381490?s=20>
>
> HINT: The employees were 9to5mac employees, specifically Ian Zelbo.
> <https://twitter.com/ianzelbo/status/1706188289827381490?s=20>
>
> "My iPhone 15 Pro Max is almost too hot to touch
> while fast charging right now. I thought people were
> exaggerating, but no, this isn’t great.
>
> Interestingly if I’m holding it, the left side rail and a
> little of the back on the left side is what is the hottest '
> by far… lines up perfectly with the logic board."
>

Ohh oops. Sorry.

>>> Nobody is talking about "normal heat"; they're talking abnormal heat.
>>>
>>> *Only an iKook would declare abnormal heat is normal when it's an iPhone.*
>>
>> Yeah, if its bad enough to be reported something is wrong.
>
> Note that it's "almost too hot to touch", which is pretty bad.
>
> The excuse by the iKooks seems to be it's the consumers' fault that the
> iPhone 15 is so hot during normal things like charging that they can barely
> touch it.
>
> And, the other iKooks' argument is that all facts about Apple are lies
> (simply because the iKooks _hate_ these well-reported design flaws).
>
> In addition, the iKooks claim Apple couldn't possibly have made a mistake
> when they tested the iPhone 15 - which astounds me the most because Apple
> just paid over a billion dollars to settle the many criminal and civil
> cases arising over the fact Apple forgot to test earlier iPhones, right?

They don't learn :(
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On Sep 28, 2023, candycanearter07 wrote
(in article <uf5ok9$4kce$2@dont-email.me>):

> On 9/29/23 00:07, Dorper wrote:
> > On Sep 28, 2023, Wally J wrote
> > > In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F –
> > > though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
> > (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
> >
> > What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
>
> I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.

JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

On 9/29/2023 2:32 AM, Dorper wrote:
>>> > In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V
>>> > though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
>>> (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
>>>
>>> What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
>>
>> I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.
>
> JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> In addition, the iKooks claim Apple couldn't possibly have made a mistake
>> when they tested the iPhone 15 - which astounds me the most because Apple
>> just paid over a billion dollars to settle the many criminal and civil
>> cases arising over the fact Apple forgot to test earlier iPhones, right?
>
> They don't learn :(

You do know Apple has a long sordid history of REPEATING the same bugs,
right? Yup. They miss a bug. They are told about it by others.
They fix it. Then, two years later they put the bug back.

That's how atrocious Apple's testing is.
They can't learn.

Ask Craig Federighi about it. He's their VP of software engineering.

He is constantly sending out internal emails saying that QA needs to fix
itself because they keep allowing the _same_ bugs to get through that
shouldn't.

It's why Apple _repeats_ the same bugs - release after release.
After release.

Apple can't learn.
Not when they're making money they can't.

Even Apple engineers complain about Apple's atrocious software quality.
All of this has been covered on this newsgroup in gory details.

But the iKooks are oblivious to every fact about Apple products.

It's no longer surprising that iKooks think Apple sufficiently tests their
designs when the proof is so clear that Apple has never sufficiently tested
their designs.

Otherwise, there wouldn't be so many unpatchable holes in the secure
enclave, and there wouldn't be so many unpatchable vulnerabilities in their
chips and they wouldn't have given up on GPU design (and soon they will
give up on 5G modem design simply because Apple is incompetent at chip
design), and certainly Apple had never sufficiently tested the iPhones that
had to be secretly throttled to half their CPU speeds in less than a year.

How can these ignorant uneducated iKooks say Apple has _ever_ sufficiently
tested their designs when every single items Apple sells is defective?

You think Apple tested those flimsy Lightning cords?
Sure. They're tested so that they break within a year.

Apple makes sure of that.
Same with the anemic batteries.

Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested any product that they produce.
You - the consumer. You're the tester. Not Apple.

Just look at how atrocious Apple's QA is in that they release the same
bugs, in subsequent releases - _after_ fixing them the first time!!!!!

That's how atrocious Apple's testing is.
It doesn't exist.

It's no longer shocking the iKooks are oblivious to these known facts.

On 9/29/23 04:43, Wally J wrote:
> Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested any product that they produce.
> You - the consumer. You're the tester. Not Apple.
>
> Just look at how atrocious Apple's QA is in that they release the same
> bugs, in subsequent releases - _after_ fixing them the first time!!!!!
>
> That's how atrocious Apple's testing is.
> It doesn't exist.
>
> It's no longer shocking the iKooks are oblivious to these known facts.

Probably saves a ton of money to just push stuff out fast and use
customers for unpaid labor. Until the lawsuits
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 2023-09-29, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy?
>>
>> The only person trying to make that disingenuous claim is *you*.
>
> Notice the ignorant low-IQ uneducated fear-filled iKooks have just
> called the editors of 9to5mac.com liars

Notice how the dishonest Wally (Arlen) troll claims I said something I
never said. Like badgolferman and his other brain-dead followers, he
isn't interested in actual adult conversations which is why he
constantly lies about and misrepresents what other people say all while
slinging schoolyard insults. Arlen, like too many others, is a weak
troll who grew old without growing up.

> low-IQ
> uneducated
> ignorant
>
> Classic.

Boring broken record one-trick-pony Arlen, everyone.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 2023-09-29, Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2023, candycanearter07 wrote
> (in article <uf5ok9$4kce$2@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 9/29/23 00:07, Dorper wrote:
>> > On Sep 28, 2023, Wally J wrote
>> > > In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F –
>> > > though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
>> > (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
>> >
>> > What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
>>
>> I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.
>
> JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.

We're supposed to ignore that, because: troll. 😉

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 2023-09-29, Bradley <bradley@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 9/29/2023 2:32 AM, Dorper wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is
>>>>> 116F �V though this was admittedly during demanding use
>>>>> (benchmarks and games).
>>>> (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
>>>>
>>>> What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
>>>
>>> I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.
>>
>> JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that
>> post.
>
> The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while
> charging.

There's speculation is that this is a software issue, since owners of
older model iPhones are also reporting increased heat after upgrading to
iOS 17. And that would make a lot more sense than the "iPhone 15 has a
hardware defect" narrative the trolls are trying to push here.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 2023-09-29, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote
>
>>>> Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games"
>>>> isn't a defect where I come from.
>>>
>>> Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that
>>> all these many well-respected magazine and testing editors are
>>> liars, Jolly Roger?
>>>
>>> You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple
>>> products JR?
>>>
>>> *You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?
>>
>>> In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F
>>> ¡V though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and
>>> games).
>> (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
>>
>> What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
>
> I fully and completely understand your argument because it has been
> Apple's argument from day one that all Apple design flaws are the
> consumers' fault.

Notice how weak Wally's lies are - Apple has not yet made an official
statement about this issue.

--
E-mail sent to this address may be devoured by my ravenous SPAM filter.
I often ignore posts from Google. Use a real news client instead.

JR

On 2023-09-28 21:46, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy?
>>
>> The only person trying to make that disingenuous claim is *you*.
>
> Notice the ignorant low-IQ uneducated fear-filled iKooks have just called
> the editors of 9to5mac.com liars - since they documented the overheating.

Sorry, but the one lying is YOU, Arlen.

On Sep 29, 2023, Bradley wrote
(in article <uf65js$74ol$1@dont-email.me>):

> On 9/29/2023 2:32 AM, Dorper wrote:
> > > > > In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V
> > > > > though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
> > > > (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
> > > >
> > > > What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
> > >
> > > I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.
> >
> > JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.
>
> The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.

It talked about both, actually. A two part article.

On 2023-09-29 11:12, Dorper wrote:
> On Sep 29, 2023, Bradley wrote
> (in article <uf65js$74ol$1@dont-email.me>):
>
>> On 9/29/2023 2:32 AM, Dorper wrote:
>>>>>> In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V
>>>>>> though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
>>>>> (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
>>>>>
>>>>> What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.
>>>
>>> JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.
>>
>> The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.
>
> It talked about both, actually. A two part article.
>

Really?

Post the link to part 2, and show us where it appears in the article
provided.

On 2023-09-29 12:42 a.m., Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
>> a defect where I come from.
>
> Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that all these
> many well-respected magazine and testing editors are liars, Jolly Roger?
>
> You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?
>
> *You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?

I believe it, myself. The obsession with making things thinner was going
to going significant problems for cooling no matter what they did.
Still, my iPhone 13 never gets warm and my MacBook Air M1 never gets
warmer than 33c (I checked).

--
RabidPedagog
TG: @RabidPedagog
Galatians 6:7

On 2023-09-29 18:12:08 +0000, Dorper said:
> On Sep 29, 2023, Bradley wrote
> (in article <uf65js$74ol$1@dont-email.me>):
>> On 9/29/2023 2:32 AM, Dorper wrote:
>>>>>> In his tests, he showed temperatures as high as 46.7C, which is 116F �V
>>>>>> though this was admittedly during demanding use (benchmarks and games).
>>>>>> (https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/)
>>>>>
>>>>> What part of DURING DEMANDING USE do you not understand?
>>>>
>>>> I don't think that charging your phone should make it that hot.
>>>
>>> JR seems to have been referring to the benchmark heat issue in that post.
>>
>> The nine-to-five-mac article was talking about overheating while charging.
>
> It talked about both, actually. A two part article.

It's a review-type article, so they will obviously test things to the
limits and beyond, possibly even with early production models. Wait and
see if *normal* users actiually report such issues.

On 2023-09-29 14:26:17 +0000, candycanearter07 said:
> On 9/29/23 04:43, Wally J wrote:
>>
>> Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested any product that they produce.
>> You - the consumer. You're the tester. Not Apple.
>>
>> Just look at how atrocious Apple's QA is in that they release the same
>> bugs, in subsequent releases - _after_ fixing them the first time!!!!!
>>
>> That's how atrocious Apple's testing is.
>> It doesn't exist.
>>
>> It's no longer shocking the iKooks are oblivious to these known facts.
>
> Probably saves a ton of money to just push stuff out fast and use
> customers for unpaid labor. Until the lawsuits

Americans are weird. They sue anybody just because they can, even when
there's nothing actually wrong with the product. That's especially true
of big companies like Apple because some brainless greedy scumbag will
always want to try and get rich (or think they can) that way.