On 2023-09-27, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-27 09:03, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 9/27/23 10:48, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-09-27 07:24, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 9/27/23 02:35, Wally J wrote:
>>>>> These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically
>>>>> _desperate_ to excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the
>>>>> too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.
>>>>
>>>> *how* did they manage to make it less safe??
>>>
>>> Before you ask "how"...
>>>
>>> ...ask "if".
>>>
>>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>>>
>>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>>
>> Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that
>> hot.
>
> But you agree that your question "*how* did they manage to make it
> less safe?" was complete bullshit, right?

Nah. He's lockstep in support of Arlen's weak trolls.

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On 2023-09-27, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2023-09-27 12:43, Patrick wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 11:03:56 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>>>>
>>>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>>>
>>> Still not super comfortable!
>>
>> You're holding it wrong.
>>
>>> I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/
>>
>> Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
>> There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that
>> his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's
>> response? "Stop moving it that way." That pretty much sums up
>> Apple's response to the people who have complained that holding the
>> iPhone 4 in their left hand is wrong. The iPhone can only be held
>> properly in the right hand!
>
> I had the iPhone 4. Never had an issue with it no matter how I held
> it.

Same here with multiple units.

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On 2023-09-28, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 9/27/2023 4:42 PM, Dorper wrote:
>> On Sep 27, 2023, Wally J wrote
>> (in article <uf0m0e$2faov$1@paganini.bofh.team>):
>>
>>> Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in
>>> minutes.
>>
>> It would take 45 minutes to get a 3rd degree burn at 116ºF [1].
>
> Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
> °F.

It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.

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On Sep 27, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <uf2h2d$2mu2q$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

> What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?

It could be worse, you could buy an MSI and have it fail after 3 years
because of poorer thermal design than a late 2010s Intel macbook.

On 9/27/23 19:23, Wally J wrote:
> I suspect Apple will _never_ do the decent thing, which is recall the
> phones and then supply the damaged parties with a working iPhone 15.

Have they ever?

> Yet - Apple already played its card of _secretly_ throttling iPhones to
> hide the fact that Apple is incompetent at power delivery design.
>
> Instead of coming clean and just admitting they were incompetent in power
> delivery design, Apple decided to try to hide the facts - which resulted in
> Apply paying over a billion dollars in losing criminal and civil cases.
>

Too prideful to admit it..

> What will Apple do about the overheating iPhone 15?

Probably blame the customer

> I suspect Apple will throttle the CPU to _half_ of what it is now - just
> like they did with they tried to hide their poor power delivery design.
>
> What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?
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On 9/27/23 21:42, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
>> °F.
>
> It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.
>

I know the difference..
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Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>> What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?
>
> It could be worse, you could buy an MSI and have it fail after 3 years
> because of poorer thermal design than a late 2010s Intel macbook.

*The topic is will Apple do the decent thing _this_ time, or not?*

Not doing the decent thing last time cost Apple over a billion dollars.
It might have been cheaper had Apple just recalled the affected phones.

Certainly we would be praising Apple - instead of openly despising them.
The fact remains Apple will likely _never_ do the decent thing, will they?

The _adult_ question is whether Apple will continue to blame the consumer
(like Apple did with their poor radio design of the past?)

Or will Apple again blame battery chemistry with an _unsigned_ letter
(post dating release notes so that it _looks_ like they informed us)?

What do you think Apple will do to make iPhone customers whole again?

On 28/9/2023, sms wrote:

> However it is true that it would be uncomfortable to hold a device
> operating at 116F for very long and some 15 Pro owners have seen 117F.

Do you think those temperatures will negatively affect the battery?

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

> On 9/27/23 21:42, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between �C and
>>> �F.
>>
>> It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.
>>
>
> I know the difference...

Fact is...
1. The uneducated low-IQ ignorant child-like iKooks brought up Celsius.
2. It's they who don't know the difference - not the actual adults here.
2. Because these religious iKooks are _desperate_ to deflect the subject.

This thread is not about bath water - no matter how _desperately_ the
uneducated low-IQ child-like ignorant religious iKooks want to make it so.

*The subject is what will Apple do to make iPhone 15 customers whole?*
*Specifically, will Apple (finally) do the decent thing this time?*

a. Recall.
b. Fix.
c. Replace.

Doing the decent thing (for once) has got to be cheaper than the billion
dollars it cost Apple last time losing many civil & criminal court cases.

On 9/28/23 01:12, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>> On 9/27/23 21:42, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
>>>> °F.
>>>
>>> It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.
>>>
>>
>> I know the difference...
>
> Fact is...
> 1. The uneducated low-IQ ignorant child-like iKooks brought up Celsius.
> 2. It's they who don't know the difference - not the actual adults here.
> 2. Because these religious iKooks are _desperate_ to deflect the subject.
>
> This thread is not about bath water - no matter how _desperately_ the
> uneducated low-IQ child-like ignorant religious iKooks want to make it so.
>
> *The subject is what will Apple do to make iPhone 15 customers whole?*
> *Specifically, will Apple (finally) do the decent thing this time?*
>
> a. Recall.
> b. Fix.
> c. Replace.
>
> Doing the decent thing (for once) has got to be cheaper than the billion
> dollars it cost Apple last time losing many civil & criminal court cases.

It would also mean admitting failure.
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On 9/27/2023 8:39 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:

<snip>

> I know the difference..

Okay, then just Arlen. At 116°F you're not going to hold the device in
your hand for very long, since it's uncomfortable, but it's not going to
give you even a first degree burn.

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On 9/27/2023 9:43 AM, Patrick wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 11:03:56 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:

<snip>

> You're holding it wrong.
>
>> I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
>
> https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/
>
> Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
> There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that
> his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response?
> "Stop moving it that way." That pretty much sums up Apple's response to
> the people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left
> hand is wrong.
> The iPhone can only be held properly in the right hand!

Actually, a bumper case would partially solve the iPhone 15 Pro/Pro Max
thermal issue, just like the bumper case for the iPhone 4 solved the
attenuation issue with the antenna.

The downside is that it would allow less heat to be transferred from the
phone to the outside and could cause overheating and shutdown.

What would be ideal is a heat dissipation case such as the one for the
iPhone 13 Pro/Pro Max and 14 Pro/Pro Max
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09L54R7VZ> though perhaps with holes along
the edges as well.

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On 2023-09-28, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 9/27/2023 8:39 PM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> I know the difference..
>
> Okay, then just Arlen. At 116°F you're not going to hold the device in
> your hand for very long, since it's uncomfortable, but it's not going
> to give you even a first degree burn.

Of course it won't. And as far as I'm aware exact zero people have
reported burns from the iPhone 15.

And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.

As always, Arlen is all hype and no substance. You have to ignore
reality for Arlen's lame trolls to work.

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On 2023-09-28, Frankie <frankie@nospam.usa> wrote:
> On 28/9/2023, sms wrote:
>
>> However it is true that it would be uncomfortable to hold a device
>> operating at 116F for very long and some 15 Pro owners have seen
>> 117F.
>
> Do you think those temperatures will negatively affect the battery?

Do you think all (or even most) iPhone 15s exhibit these temperatures on
a regular basis? 😉

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On 2023-09-27 11:14 p.m., Dorper wrote:
> On Sep 27, 2023, Wally J wrote
> (in article <uf2h2d$2mu2q$1@paganini.bofh.team>):
>
>> What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?
>
> It could be worse, you could buy an MSI and have it fail after 3 years
> because of poorer thermal design than a late 2010s Intel macbook.

I'm curious about what you mean here. I used to own an MSI GT72 and it
seemed to manage heat fairly well.

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On 2023-09-27 20:39, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/27/23 21:42, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
>>> °F.
>>
>> It's mostly just Arlen and candycanearter07.
>>
>
> I know the difference..

Arlen certainly didn't.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
> And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
> from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.
>
>
What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported overheating
problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote

> What difference does it make if most people haven�t reported overheating
> problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
> you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
> iPhone 15 you wouldn�t like it either.

Wouldn't a simple recall (which would be the decent thing to do) be better?

As always happens when Apple fucks up, the ignorant religious iKooks are
_desperate_ to claim that the editors of well-respected magazines such as
9-to-5-Mac are all liars - because _they_ have this overheating problem.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

This shows how _desperate_ the iKooks are to claim everyone is a liar
who has _any_ issue with the poorly designed iPhone 15, badgolferman.

The child-like iKooks fears of the truth aside...

What do _you_ think Apple's response will be to their design incompetence?

a. Blame the consumer (you're holding it wrong)
b. Say it's chic (it's courageous to overheat)
c. Secretly throttle the CPU to half the original speeds?

What?

Apple, clearly in the past, has _never_ done the decent thing when their
design incompetence has become an issue - but that last one of blaming the
batteries for backdating relesae notes cost Apple a billion dollars.

Wouldn't a simple recall (which would be the decent thing to do) be better?

On Sep 28, 2023, badgolferman wrote
(in article <uf4oam$3rnr1$1@dont-email.me>):

> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of reports
> > from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.
> What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported overheating
> problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
> you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
> iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

This should be (I believe it is) covered by the manufacturer's warranty. If I
ran into this issue I would return the device and request either a
replacement or a refund.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> Do you think those temperatures will negatively affect the battery?
>
> Do you think all (or even most) iPhone 15s exhibit these temperatures on
> a regular basis?

The fact iKooks are _desperate_ to claim every well-respected editor is a
liar shows you how _desperate_ and _afraid_ these iKooks are of facts.

A better question is... will Apple (finally) do the decent thing this time?
Wouldn't a simple recall (which would be the decent thing to do) be better?

As always happens when Apple fucks up, the ignorant religious iKooks are
_desperate_ to claim that the editors of well-respected magazines such as
9-to-5-Mac are all liars - because _they_ have this overheating problem.

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

This shows how _desperate_ the iKooks are to claim everyone is a liar
who has _any_ issue with the poorly designed iPhone 15, Jolly Roger.

You iKooks _hate_ all truths about Apple (even when they come from your own
Apple-centric magazine editors - whom you claim are all liars, of course).

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>> What difference does it make if most people haven�t reported overheating
>> problems? Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy? If
>> you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand new
>> iPhone 15 you wouldn�t like it either.
>
> This should be (I believe it is) covered by the manufacturer's warranty. If I
> ran into this issue I would return the device and request either a
> replacement or a refund.

Exactly.

The _adult_ question to ask is what will Apple do to make customers whole?
a. Will Apple blame the customers again (you're holding it wrong).
b. Will Apple secretly throttle the CPU in half again?
c. Will Apple say it's "courageously chic" for a phone to overheat?

What will Apple do?
Will Apple finally do the decent thing for once?

BTW, *the iKooks are claiming the editors of 9to5mac.com are all liars.*

https://9to5mac.com/2023/09/26/iphone-15-overheating/
Widespread iPhone 15 overheating reports, with temperatures as high as 116F

On 2023-09-28, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of
>> reports from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at all.
>
> What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported
> overheating problems?

A lot since it means it's not a widespread problem.

> Does it make those who reported it less important or unworthy?

The only person trying to make that disingenuous claim is *you*.

> If you were one of the people with overheating problems on your brand
> new iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.

Unless it's shutting down with a message stating it needs to cool down
before you can use it, it ain't overheating. And if it's just getting
warm while you do something resource-intensive like playing a game, then
unless you have zero common sense, you're just going to take it in
stride like a normal human being.

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On 2023-09-28, Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2023, badgolferman wrote
> (in article <uf4oam$3rnr1$1@dont-email.me>):
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> And Arlen *desperately* wants us all to ignore the plethora of
>>> reports from iPhone 15 users who say they have no heat issues at
>>> all.
>>
>> What difference does it make if most people haven’t reported
>> overheating problems? Does it make those who reported it less
>> important or unworthy? If you were one of the people with overheating
>> problems on your brand new iPhone 15 you wouldn’t like it either.
>
> This should be (I believe it is) covered by the manufacturer's
> warranty. If I ran into this issue I would return the device and
> request either a replacement or a refund.

Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
a defect where I come from.

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On Sep 28, 2023, Jolly Roger wrote
(in article <knmundFl0ppU2@mid.individual.net>):

> Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
> a defect where I come from.

And the key part is that the phone will get warm under BENCHMARK load.
(116ºF on Titanium, which won't burn you. Anyone that says that it can burn
you is an idiot. Do they think that if you go outside in 116ºF weather you
will get third degree burns?). I rather blame the fact they are using
Titanium (which has a poorer thermal conductivity than Aluminum). If the
device was overheating then it would shutoff. Despite what some here will
say, thermal throttling happens on every complex digital IC that gets hot.

It becomes a defect if the device just is hot all the time, not only when
charging or running a benchmark.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

> Maybe, maybe not. "It occasionally gets warm while playing games" isn't
> a defect where I come from.

Are you uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks seriously claiming that all these
many well-respected magazine and testing editors are liars, Jolly Roger?

You're _that desperate_ to brazenly deny all truth about Apple products JR?

*You're _that_ fearful_ of the facts about Apple*, JR?
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