Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>>>> I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as
>>>> long as you like.
>>>
>>> Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water
>>> temperature.
>>> https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/
>>
>> Fahrenheit vs Celius, idiot.
>
> Self-proclaimed

Jesus Christ. These iKooks are ignorant. Uneducated. And of really low IQ!

*That's _why_ they're iKooks* after all...

These ignorant uneducated low-IQ iKooks like Jolly Roger & Alan Baker
clearly don't even know the difference between the Celsius and Fahrenheit
temperature scales!

Every single statement from these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks reeks
of their utter incomprehension of how blazingly hot 116C would be!

Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

On 9/27/23 02:35, Wally J wrote:
> These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
> excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

*how* did they manage to make it less safe??
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On 2023-09-27, Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>>>> I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as
>>>>> long as you like.
>>>>
>>>> Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water
>>>> temperature.
>>>> https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/
>>>
>>> Fahrenheit vs Celius, idiot.
>>
>> Self-proclaimed
>
> Jesus Christ. These iKooks are ignorant. Uneducated. And of really low IQ!
>
> *That's _why_ they're iKooks* after all...
>
> These ignorant uneducated low-IQ iKooks like Jolly Roger & Alan Baker
> clearly don't even know the difference between the Celsius and Fahrenheit
> temperature scales!
>
> Every single statement from these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks reeks
> of their utter incomprehension of how blazingly hot 116C would be!
>
> Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

From Arlen's vaunted article:

---
The maximum temperature for bathing that the Department of Health
recommends should be no higher than 120 °F (48.8 oC)
---

I guess Arlen thinks nobody actually reads. 🤣

All he has are schoolyard insults. He's a shitty troll.

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On 2023-09-27 00:35, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>>>> I'll hold onto anything you like at a temperature of 116F for as
>>>>> long as you like.
>>>>
>>>> Third degree burns in just a few minutes at that bath water
>>>> temperature.
>>>> https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/
>>>
>>> Fahrenheit vs Celius, idiot.
>>
>> Self-proclaimed
>
> Jesus Christ. These iKooks are ignorant. Uneducated. And of really low IQ!
>
> *That's _why_ they're iKooks* after all...
>
> These ignorant uneducated low-IQ iKooks like Jolly Roger & Alan Baker
> clearly don't even know the difference between the Celsius and Fahrenheit
> temperature scales!
>
> Every single statement from these ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks reeks
> of their utter incomprehension of how blazingly hot 116C would be!
>
> Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

No. It would NOT.

'The maximum temperature for bathing that the Department of Health
recommends should be no higher than 120 °F (48.8 °C)'

<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

>
> These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
> excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

> The maximum temperature for bathing

You iKooks, Jolly Roger (and Alan Baker) don't own adult cognitive skills.

"Most experts and doctors are suggesting to adjust on your water
heater the max temperature in your home to 120 �F (48.8 �C)
to prevent injury."
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

They're talking about the water heater set temperature (which will only
cool down from there) but more importantly, look at the chart for
3rd-degree burns, JR. Yes. Look. Read it. Understand it. Cognate it.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>

You'll notice they're talking also about showering - where the hot water
from the hot-water heater is mixed with the cold water from the source.

"According to dermatologists, the hottest safe water temperature for a
shower should not go higher than 109 �F (43 oC). Of course, when it comes
to small children who are much more sensitive to heat, they must use lower
temperatures below 100 �F."

And that still doesn't excuse the fact that you and Alan Baker have never
heard of the Celsius temperature scale where 116C is hotter than 116F.

These ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks don't own adult cognitive skills.
--
I realize neither Jolly Roger nor Alan Baker has earned even a high school
diploma so we can excuse them for their low IQ and resulting ignorance.

On 2023-09-27 07:24, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/27/23 02:35, Wally J wrote:
>> These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
>> excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.
>
> *how* did they manage to make it less safe??

Before you ask "how"...

....ask "if".

The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).

That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

On 9/27/23 10:48, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-09-27 07:24, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 9/27/23 02:35, Wally J wrote:
>>> These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically _desperate_ to
>>> excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.
>>
>> *how* did they manage to make it less safe??
>
> Before you ask "how"...
>
> ...ask "if".
>
> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>
> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.

Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
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On 9/27/2023 9:03 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

<snip>

> Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

There are changes that can be made to the thermal management system
inside the product but these will take a while to design, fabricate, and
get into manufacturing. They can also improve the binning process to
ensure that the higher power consumption processors are not used.

This is why it's often unwise to buy the first production of a product
like this. There are _always_ ECOs (Engineering Change Orders) that
address issues that don't show up until a complex product is in mass
production and in the hands of consumers. These issues are not serious
enough to warrant a recall but still are addressed as the product matures.

As to the possible workarounds, they could change the setting at which
the processor throttles but that would affect performance.

They could also do something similar to what they did with the iPhone 4
and offer a free case. The analysis that has been done with thermal
imaging cameras show the areas of the device that are uncomfortably hot.
It's mainly the titanium frame, but also some portion of the back of the
phone.

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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 2023-09-27 09:03, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/27/23 10:48, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-09-27 07:24, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 9/27/23 02:35, Wally J wrote:
>>>> These uneducated low-IQ ignorant iKooks are fantastically
>>>> _desperate_ to
>>>> excuse Apple's incompetence in designing the too-hot-to-hold iPhone 15.
>>>
>>> *how* did they manage to make it less safe??
>>
>> Before you ask "how"...
>>
>> ...ask "if".
>>
>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>>
>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>
> Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

But you agree that your question "*how* did they manage to make it less
safe?" was complete bullshit, right?

On 2023-09-27 08:47, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>> The maximum temperature for bathing
>
> You iKooks, Jolly Roger (and Alan Baker) don't own adult cognitive skills.
>
> "Most experts and doctors are suggesting to adjust on your water
> heater the max temperature in your home to 120 °F (48.8 °C)
> to prevent injury."
> <https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

And 120° "prevent[ing] injury" means that no one can be injured even if
they run their hands under the undiluted hot water stream.

How do we know this?

From the EXACT same article:

'The maximum temperature for bathing that the Department of Health
recommends should be no higher than 120 °F (48.8 oC)'

>
> They're talking about the water heater set temperature (which will only
> cool down from there) but more importantly, look at the chart for
> 3rd-degree burns, JR. Yes. Look. Read it. Understand it. Cognate it.
> <https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>
>
> You'll notice they're talking also about showering - where the hot water
> from the hot-water heater is mixed with the cold water from the source.
>
> "According to dermatologists, the hottest safe water temperature for a
> shower should not go higher than 109 °F (43 oC). Of course, when it comes
> to small children who are much more sensitive to heat, they must use lower
> temperatures below 100 °F."

Why do you leave out the sentence about bath temperature, Arlen?

>
> And that still doesn't excuse the fact that you and Alan Baker have never
> heard of the Celsius temperature scale where 116C is hotter than 116F.

Here we go again.

You were the one who didn't understand the difference, Arlen.

Be an adult for once and admit you just made a mistake.

candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote

>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116�F (46.7�C).
>>
>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>
> Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.

Hi candycanearter07,

Certainly 116F is too hot for a phone - which is the main point that the
religious zealot iKooks are _desperate_ to reflect attention from.

You have to comprehend that the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks are
_desperate_ to claim that what's happening with the iPhone 15, isn't.

Keep that in mind - because these religious zealots are _afraid_ of the
fact that Apple clearly screwed up (again!) in overall iPhone design.

This time in the heat dissipation calculations.
(You'd think Apple would have tested the iPhone at least once; but this
isn't the first time Apple easily proved to never have tested the iPhone.)

Nonetheless... let's play the game the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks
want us to play which is to _distract_ from the topic of Apple being
incompetent in design (again!)... this time with the iPhone 15.

While it's obvious that neither Alan Baker nor Jolly Roger has a clue that
the Celsius system exists - nor that at 116C - it would be blazingly hot...

First off... I have a hot tub and I _know_ what 104F feels like.
Do you?

Secondly... the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks don't know the difference
between a setting for the output of the hot-water heater and the water
temperature at the tap.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

Thirdly... there are huge differences between a bath & a shower given the
inherent mechanism of both is completely different.

But most importantly, this chart shows third-degree burns which is the
chart I was quoting and which the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks are
desperate to deflect claiming _they_ can handle water at 116C with aplomb.
<https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>
--
I do agree the article switches between output at the hot water heater and
the tap and it switches between bath & shower but that doesn't change that
116C is blazingly hot which the iKooks are completely ignorant of and it
doesn't change the fact that 105F is also pretty damn hot for a bath.

Certainly 116F is too hot for a phone - which is the main point that the
religious zealot iKooks are _desperate_ to reflect attention from.

sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote

> As to the possible workarounds, they could change the setting at which
> the processor throttles but that would affect performance.

It wouldn't be the first time that the "vaunted" speed of the bionic CPUs
only was attainable in the lab but not any semblance of real-world usage.

As has always been the case, Apple is incompetent at design but extremely
good at marketing - which is what Apple & Big Tobacco have in common.

On 2023-09-27 09:37, Wally J wrote:
> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
>
>> As to the possible workarounds, they could change the setting at which
>> the processor throttles but that would affect performance.
>
> It wouldn't be the first time that the "vaunted" speed of the bionic CPUs
> only was attainable in the lab but not any semblance of real-world usage.

Something you claim...

....but can't prove.

>
> As has always been the case, Apple is incompetent at design but extremely
> good at marketing - which is what Apple & Big Tobacco have in common.

On 2023-09-27 09:32, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>>>
>>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>>
>> Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
>
> Hi candycanearter07,
>
> Certainly 116F is too hot for a phone - which is the main point that the
> religious zealot iKooks are _desperate_ to reflect attention from.

How often is that figure actually attained?

>
> You have to comprehend that the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks are
> _desperate_ to claim that what's happening with the iPhone 15, isn't.
>
> Keep that in mind - because these religious zealots are _afraid_ of the
> fact that Apple clearly screwed up (again!) in overall iPhone design.
>
> This time in the heat dissipation calculations.
> (You'd think Apple would have tested the iPhone at least once; but this
> isn't the first time Apple easily proved to never have tested the iPhone.)
>
>
> Nonetheless... let's play the game the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks
> want us to play which is to _distract_ from the topic of Apple being
> incompetent in design (again!)... this time with the iPhone 15.
>
> While it's obvious that neither Alan Baker nor Jolly Roger has a clue that
> the Celsius system exists - nor that at 116C - it would be blazingly hot...

That's the error you made when you claimed that 116°F would give you
"third-degree burns"

>
> First off... I have a hot tub and I _know_ what 104F feels like.
> Do you?

Yes.

>
> Secondly... the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks don't know the difference
> between a setting for the output of the hot-water heater and the water
> temperature at the tap.
> <https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>

Which sets safe bath temperature at 120°F...

>
> Thirdly... there are huge differences between a bath & a shower given the
> inherent mechanism of both is completely different.
>
> But most importantly, this chart shows third-degree burns which is the
> chart I was quoting and which the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks are
> desperate to deflect claiming _they_ can handle water at 116C with aplomb.
> <https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>

That reflects STAYING in a bath (water: very high latent heat) with
water that STAYS at 120°F (not 116)

versus

A small portion of a small device (less than 250g) with far less latent
heat.

I'll say it again: you give me a phone at 116°F and I'll hold onto it as
long as you like.

On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 11:03:56 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116�F (46.7�C).
>>
>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>
> Still not super comfortable!

You're holding it wrong.

> I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/

Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that his
arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response? "Stop
moving it that way." That pretty much sums up Apple's response to the
people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left hand
is wrong.

The iPhone can only be held properly in the right hand!

On 2023-09-27 09:43, Patrick wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 11:03:56 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>>>
>>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>>
>> Still not super comfortable!
>
> You're holding it wrong.
>
>> I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
>
> https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/
>
> Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
> There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that
> his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response?
> "Stop moving it that way." That pretty much sums up Apple's response to
> the people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left
> hand is wrong.
> The iPhone can only be held properly in the right hand!

You should have quoted this part as well, don't you think?

'Despite numerous reports from Wired.com readers, we have been trying to
replicate the problem without success.'

On 9/27/23 11:32, Wally J wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>
>>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>>>
>>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>>
>> Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
>
> Hi candycanearter07,
>
[snip]
> While it's obvious that neither Alan Baker nor Jolly Roger has a clue that
> the Celsius system exists - nor that at 116C - it would be blazingly hot...

It's a simple Google search..
>
> First off... I have a hot tub and I _know_ what 104F feels like.
> Do you?

Well, it was 100F where I lived last week. So kinda..?
>
> Secondly... the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks don't know the difference
> between a setting for the output of the hot-water heater and the water
> temperature at the tap.
> <https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>
>
> Thirdly... there are huge differences between a bath & a shower given the
> inherent mechanism of both is completely different.
>
> But most importantly, this chart shows third-degree burns which is the
> chart I was quoting and which the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks are
> desperate to deflect claiming _they_ can handle water at 116C with aplomb.
> <https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>

I'd be surprised if someone would willingly hold their device that long.
Also YIKES that is fast past 130f.
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On 2023-09-27 10:10, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/27/23 11:32, Wally J wrote:
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote
>>
>>>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>>>>
>>>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>>>
>>> Still not super comfortable! I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
>>
>> Hi candycanearter07,
>>
> [snip]
>> While it's obvious that neither Alan Baker nor Jolly Roger has a clue
>> that
>> the Celsius system exists - nor that at 116C - it would be blazingly
>> hot...
>
> It's a simple Google search..

And one he should have done.

>>
>> First off... I have a hot tub and I _know_ what 104F feels like.
>> Do you?
>
> Well, it was 100F where I lived last week. So kinda..?

Amazing how no one but Arlen can possibly understand this stuff, huh?

>>
>> Secondly... the low-IQ ignorant uneducated iKooks don't know the
>> difference
>> between a setting for the output of the hot-water heater and the water
>> temperature at the tap.
>>
>> <https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/what-is-a-safe-bath-water-temperature-dermatologist-explain/>
>>
>> Thirdly... there are huge differences between a bath & a shower given the
>> inherent mechanism of both is completely different.
>>
>> But most importantly, this chart shows third-degree burns which is the
>> chart I was quoting and which the ignorant low-IQ uneducated iKooks are
>> desperate to deflect claiming _they_ can handle water at 116C with
>> aplomb.
>>
>> <https://www.thehomehacksdiy.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Temperature-Range-For-Staying-In-A-Bath-Or-Shower.png>
>
> I'd be surprised if someone would willingly hold their device that long.
> Also YIKES that is fast past 130f.

Water has a very large "specific heat capacity" (to say it properly;
apologies for initially saying "latent heat").

So if you stay in a bath of water that STAYS at 130°F, then your tissue
will receive a lot of heat, but...

....and this is a very large "but"...

....if you get into an actual, physical tub full of water, then there is
a finite volume of water which while it starts at one temperature, will
quickly fall to a lower temperature... ...because YOU are at a lower
temperature.

And while 130°F is certainly too hot to step into a bath, a bath that
starts at 116°F will be at quite a bit less moments after you enter.

And a less that half pound phone—not all of which is at 116°F
anyway—will not STAY at 116°F after you hold it.

What matters there is heat generate per unit time.

On 9/27/2023 9:43 AM, Patrick wrote:

<snip>

> You're holding it wrong.
The National Burn Victim Foundation states that an adult can be in
contact with a 120°F for up to ten minutes before causing a burn while
children, who have thicker skin, will not be burned at all at that
temperature. This was for water. They do not specify anything below
120°F. I believe that the highest temperature that was found for the
iPhone 15 Pro was 116°F which would be uncomfortable to hold for long
periods of time.

I recall being at the Computex show in Taiwan when the first x86 tablets
were being shown. One company suggested that users of their tablet wear
gloves when operating it because it was so uncomfortable to hold because
of the temperature.

Credit Steve Jobs who looked at the failure of early Windows tablets and
understood that a tablet didn't have to have a high-TDP processor and
didn't have to run Windows applications.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On 2023-09-27 12:43, Patrick wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Sep 2023 11:03:56 -0500, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> The maximum temperature mentioned so far has been 116°F (46.7°C).
>>>
>>> That's not hot enough to be unsafe...at all.
>>
>> Still not super comfortable!
>
> You're holding it wrong.
>
>> I wouldn't want to use something that hot.
>
> https://www.wired.com/2010/06/iphone-4-holding-it-wrong/
>
> Apple's Response to iPhone 4 Antenna Problem: You're Holding It Wrong
> There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that
> his arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response?
> "Stop moving it that way." That pretty much sums up Apple's response to
> the people who have complained that holding the iPhone 4 in their left
> hand is wrong.
> The iPhone can only be held properly in the right hand!

I had the iPhone 4. Never had an issue with it no matter how I held it.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 9/27/2023 10:10 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:

<snip>

> I'd be surprised if someone would willingly hold their device that long.
> Also YIKES that is fast past 130f.

Exactly. You're not going to hold a device for a long period of time if
it's that hot. 116°F is uncomfortable to hold but it won't burn you.

The 15 Pro is not shutting down and is not overheating. If the internal
temperature was too hot it would display a message that the device needs
to cool down. It is transferring heat out of the phone to the outside as
designed. If it used a stainless steel frame then even more heat would
be being transferred and it would be even more uncomfortable to hold.

As to "a fix" for the existing units, reducing the processor speed and
voltage to reduce the temperature is not necessarily a fix that a lot of
users would want since they may be using the phone when it's sitting on
a desk or table, or when it's on a charging stand. What would be a
better solution would be a choice in settings that lets the user choose
the balance of performance, battery life, and temperature that they prefer.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

Patrick <patrick@oleary.com> wrote:
>
> There's an old joke about a man who visits a doctor, complaining that his
> arm hurts whenever he moves it a certain way. The doctor's response? "Stop
> moving it that way."

That reminds me of another joke:

The guy complains to his doctor whenever he touches his arm it hurts.
Whenever he touches his head it hurts. Whenever he touches his leg it
hurts. He asks what’s wrong with him?

The doctor says, “Your finger is broken.”

On Sep 27, 2023, Wally J wrote
(in article <uf0m0e$2faov$1@paganini.bofh.team>):

> Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.

It would take 45 minutes to get a 3rd degree burn at 116ºF [1].

[1]
https://antiscald.com/index.php?route=information/information&information_id=1
5

Dorper <usenet@dorper.me> wrote

>> Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.
>
> It would take 45 minutes to get a 3rd degree burn at 116�F [1].
>
> [1]
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The _adult_ question to ask is what will Apple do to _fix_ the iPhone 15?

It's interesting how the iKooks are desperate to change the narrative from
Apple's incompetent design of the iPhone 15 - to bath water temperatures.

What would be more of an _adult_ conversation on these child-like Apple
newsgroups would be a discussion of what Apple can do to fix the problem.

I suspect Apple will _never_ do the decent thing, which is recall the
phones and then supply the damaged parties with a working iPhone 15.

Yet - Apple already played its card of _secretly_ throttling iPhones to
hide the fact that Apple is incompetent at power delivery design.

Instead of coming clean and just admitting they were incompetent in power
delivery design, Apple decided to try to hide the facts - which resulted in
Apply paying over a billion dollars in losing criminal and civil cases.

What will Apple do about the overheating iPhone 15?

I suspect Apple will throttle the CPU to _half_ of what it is now - just
like they did with they tried to hide their poor power delivery design.

What do _you_ think Apple will do to make its harmed customers whole again?
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HINT: An overheating iPhone is not good for the battery either, by the way.

On 9/27/2023 4:42 PM, Dorper wrote:
> On Sep 27, 2023, Wally J wrote
> (in article <uf0m0e$2faov$1@paganini.bofh.team>):
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>> Even 116F bath water would give people third-degree burns in minutes.
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> It would take 45 minutes to get a 3rd degree burn at 116ºF [1].

Apparently, some people don't understand the difference between °C and
°F. They are only the same at -40°.

However it is true that it would be uncomfortable to hold a device
operating at 116°F for very long and some 15 Pro owners have seen 117°F.

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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
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