Re: How far I've come...
By: Cougar428 to TED LONG on Mon Jan 30 2023 03:42 pm

Most of the automotive PIC's and PLA's that used to be made in US silicon foundries are currently made in Red China, Hong Kong and Taiwan. The over-priced Apple stuff that used to be assembled in Cupertino is now made by Foxconn labor mills in Nicaragua and Beijing, right next to the Intel CPU plants.
Most of the RF and analog chips formerly made in the states by National Semi and Motorola is now made in S. Korea by NXP. Think about it...the guts of our Patriot missiles (1980's tech) that used to be made in Silicon Valley is now made 50 miles away from a nation led by one of the looniest dictators in the world. If Kim Jung Fool decides to nuke Seoul, where are the chips for our
older military tech gonna come from?
IMHO, the Chips Act is 20 years too late.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Rob Mccart to MRO on Mon Jan 30 2023 12:53 am

> similar in strength to those for Car Makers and such. I had some 'bad
> habits'.. I was spending a Lot of money building up a muscle car (575 HP
> Chevelle SS) and a custom Triumph Bonneville motorcycle so I needed as much
> income as possible. The best way to get called first for extra hours when
> someone didn't show up was to be a very hard worker.. Long story short, I
> was good enough that I earned a merit raise, the first one in the company in
> 15 years, for breaking company production records.. This earned me about 35%
> more money than others
> in my situation, and led to me being cornered one night in a remote
> staircase and threatened by the local union rep. for making everyone else
> 'look bad'..
> I told him to get stuffed but after that I had very little use for unions.
>
> Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe
> still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so
> most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are

i dont know where unions are still required. we have osha, we have the department of labor. if things arent good for workers they just go someplace else. my mom was big on unions and my god mother was a union powerhouse. with their employer they needed to threaten to strike for every little thing. each time the contract was up. eventually that company pulled out.

i've been told not to sweep when i have nothing to do. i was told to drink at a bar during our breaks (no prob with that!), i was told that i was not allowed to work for a 2 week period during the holidays because i was not in the union yet. unions just hold people back now.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Jan 30 2023 04:27 pm

>
> In this case, it is also because they are Muslim and have not given up
> their religion for the state.
>
> > but i've had experience with the hmong in wisconsin, and from my own
> > personal perience, most of those people are just bad news.
>
> Are the Hmong from China, or from SE Asia/Vietnam?
>

i think the ones that fled here to the usa are from china.

internet sez "The Hmong people are an indigenous group in East and Southeast Asia. In China, the Hmong people are classified as a sub-group of the Miao people. The modern Hmong presently reside mainly in Southwest China and countries in Southeast Asia such as Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, and Myanmar. "

they are basically a people with no country. the chinese hate them and use a derogitory word to describe them instead of calling them hmong.

In wisconsin theres's a lot on welfare and there's a lot of gangs where they are located.

I've worked with some of them and they are very hard workers. they have very large families, as well.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Rob Mccart to MRO on Mon Jan 30 2023 12:53 am

> Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe
> still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so
> most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are
> always other offers out there.

To put it in terms a Communist would understand, the power Unions hold comes
from maintaining the monopoly of workforce supply. If enough workers could
operate out of the parameters the Union wants, the Union is not effective by
itself (ie. the Union cannot set prices for the workforce if enough workers
negotiate their own prices by the side). Hence Unions act like mobs to survive.

I think most big companies nowadays are unable to identify which workers they
have are hard workers and which ones are plain burdersome. The reason is that
Western companies have bloated themselves with so much management people that
the Directives calling the shots only know what midle ranks tell them. That is
VERY BAD. 100% of the medium-to-big companies I know personally have very
severe issues with this. Maybe a radiodiagnostics service has three
radiologists in it, with one doing 70% of the work. This fact gets lost because
nobody is paying attention. Then budget cuts come and the hard-working one
threatens to leave if they don't give her adecuate equipment or whatever
(because there is severe Dr. scarcity and she can switch employments faster
than you can switch underwear). The midle-manager calculates "Ok, this one must
be doing 33% of the work, so we let her leave and replace her with a new guy."
She leaves and they get a new Dr. fresh out of college which takes 33% of the
load, leaving the department defficitary because the group now has no
capability to push his own way up.

I am not complaining. Karme is a bitch. The West will pay the price for
management overbloat. The only problem I have with that is I am trapped there.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Ted Long to Cougar428 on Mon Jan 30 2023 04:25 pm

> Re: How far I've come...
> By: Cougar428 to TED LONG on Mon Jan 30 2023 03:42 pm
>
> Most of the automotive PIC's and PLA's that used to be made in US silico
> ua and Beijing, right next to the Intel CPU plants.
> Most of the RF and analog chips formerly made in the states by National
> from a nation led by one of the looniest dictators in the world. If Kim Jung
> older military tech gonna come from?
> IMHO, the Chips Act is 20 years too late.
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I keep thinking this when I hear of all the EU politicians wanting to remove
cash and replace it with digital payment systems.

These guys would leave every economic activity in the hands of whoever
manufactured the smartphones, computers and programs used to run such systems,
who would completely be external to the EU.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Rob Mccart to MRO on Mon Jan 30 2023 12:53 am

> MR>unions in the usa are not what they used to be. There are a lot of right
> >k states and that just doesn't work with a union structure. people dont h
> >join the union but they have to be protected by it. in this structure pe
> >e held back due to the other union nuances, especially in pay. You can b
> > in a job for 5 years before you make 2 dollars more.
>
> My first long term job, part time while in school working at a grocery store
> taught me all I needed to know about unions. They have a union similar in
> strength to those for Car Makers and such. I had some 'bad habits'.. I was
> spending a Lot of money building up a muscle car (575 HP Chevelle SS) and a
> custom Triumph Bonneville motorcycle so I needed as much income as possible.
> The best way to get called first for extra hours when someone didn't show up
> was to be a very hard worker.. Long story short, I was good enough that I
> earned a merit raise, the first one in the company in 15 years, for breaking
> company production records.. This earned me about 35% more money than others
> in my situation, and led to me being cornered one night in a remote staircas
> and threatened by the local union rep. for making everyone else 'look bad'..
> I told him to get stuffed but after that I had very little use for unions.
>
> Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe
> still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so
> most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are
> always other offers out there.

I worked at a salaried job, then the plant shut down and relocated the repair
service department to the main plant. The main plant was a "closed shop"
beyond the double doors heading out to the plant floor, so we were given the
option to be integrated in the union or to find another job.

At first we thought being unionized was repressive, but later on we saw how mu
ch certain supervisiors would try to make up conflicting policies depending
on favoritism or perception. One time we had a lay off, and right before the
layoff I reach my anniversary, and got a review and promotion to a higher pay
grade. That supervisor was retiring, so he had no qualms about me moving up
a pay grade. A month later we got the government contract, and I was called
back in. The supervisor that took over was the one who played favorites, and
viewed me as a goof off, despite me making rate and working on a variety of
product. One day HR comes out and says they need extra grade 11 techs on the
line, and I refused. That equated to him that I was refusing work, which
was grounds for termination. He worked up the paperwork, and wanted me to
sign I refuse to accept a temporary department reassignment. I refused to
sign and got two union stewards involved who knew I was a grade 12. The boss
had the HR rep come out as well, and he told the boss that he wasted
everyone's time because I'm a 12, and not an 11. There were other 11's in
the department next to our that could tranfer to the line and didn't have to
bother a 12 that had less senior 12's if they needed to pull 12's. That
supervisor had several grievances written towards him by the material handlers
and he was reassigned into non-leadership role.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Rob Mccart on Mon Jan 30 2023 06:43 pm

> Re: How far I've come...
> By: Rob Mccart to MRO on Mon Jan 30 2023 12:53 am
>
> > similar in strength to those for Car Makers and such. I had some 'bad
> > habits'.. I was spending a Lot of money building up a muscle car (575 HP
> > Chevelle SS) and a custom Triumph Bonneville motorcycle so I needed as mu
> > income as possible. The best way to get called first for extra hours when
> > someone didn't show up was to be a very hard worker.. Long story short, I
> > was good enough that I earned a merit raise, the first one in the company
> > 15 years, for breaking company production records.. This earned me about
> > more money than others
> > in my situation, and led to me being cornered one night in a remote
> > staircase and threatened by the local union rep. for making everyone else
> > 'look bad'..
> > I told him to get stuffed but after that I had very little use for unions
> >
> > Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe
> > still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so
> > most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are
>
> i dont know where unions are still required. we have osha, we have the depa
> ed to threaten to strike for every little thing. each time the contract was
>
> i've been told not to sweep when i have nothing to do. i was told to drink a
> t hold people back now.

You're viewing a union as a ceiling regarding what you cannot do, but it is
more or less a window. There is an upper limit, but there is also a lower
limit as to what they can do to you. If polies are well made, consistently
enforced, and predictable in outcome, then a union isn't necessary.
Unfortunately some shops don't play by those rules, and policies and
procedures are adhered to or ignored on a whim. The bargaining unit
agreement protects the employees from random stuff that cannnot be enforced.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Mon Jan 30 2023 06:48 pm

> Re: How far I've come...
> By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Jan 30 2023 04:27 pm
>
> >
> > In this case, it is also because they are Muslim and have not given up
> > their religion for the state.
> >
> > > but i've had experience with the hmong in wisconsin, and from my own
> > > personal perience, most of those people are just bad news.
> >
> > Are the Hmong from China, or from SE Asia/Vietnam?
> >
>
> i think the ones that fled here to the usa are from china.
>
> internet sez "The Hmong people are an indigenous group in East and Southeas
> uch as Vietnam, Laos, Thailand, and Myanmar. "
>
> they are basically a people with no country. the chinese hate them and use
>
> In wisconsin theres's a lot on welfare and there's a lot of gangs where they
>
> I've worked with some of them and they are very hard workers. they have very

In the movie Grand Torino, the story takes place in a Wayne County (Detroit)
neighborhood that is mostly Hmong refugees.

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MO>The country also restricts travel from one province to another to regluate
>jobs and commerce. This ia a way to keep farmers' families in farming, so
>their kids won't leave in puruit of better manufacturing jobs.

Yes, there's no question it's a lousy place to live. That's why so many
wealthy Chinese move to the USA and Canada. Way too much government
control over everything there.. The only unusual thing there, being a
communist country, is that they do seem to have a middle class. Usually
there is a tiny percentage of very rich people and the rest are all
super poor.

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> Yes, there's no question it's a lousy place to live. That's why so many
> wealthy Chinese move to the USA and Canada. Way too much government
> control over everything there.. The only unusual thing there, being a
> communist country, is that they do seem to have a middle class. Usually
> there is a tiny percentage of very rich people and the rest are all
> super poor.

I think the ones who are loyal to the party can make a good living. That
is how it used to work in the USSR. Are the ones that "move" to Canada
allowed to stay there full-time? I was under the impression they could
own property and spend "seasons" in Canada and the US (and Italy and other
countries) but that they were still considered Chinese citizens and had to
spend some time in their home country per Chinese rules.

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DW>I think the ones who are loyal to the party can make a good living. That
>is how it used to work in the USSR. Are the ones that "move" to Canada
>allowed to stay there full-time? I was under the impression they could
>own property and spend "seasons" in Canada and the US (and Italy and other
>countries) but that they were still considered Chinese citizens and had to
>spend some time in their home country per Chinese rules.

No expert but I'd have to think that someone from China could immigrate here
as easily as anyone else. It might take a while, as there are huge numbers of
people that want to come to Canada (at least until they find out about the
weather.. Ha!) but I'd assume many coming from China would be wealthy which
probably helps the situation. But that's for a full time move. If they wanted
to still return to their own country at times then they would probably be
restricted to no more than 6 months at a time in Canada.
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RM> Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe
> still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so
> most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are
> always other offers out there.

AR>To put it in terms a Communist would understand, the power Unions hold comes
>from maintaining the monopoly of workforce supply. If enough workers could
>operate out of the parameters the Union wants, the Union is not effective by
>itself (ie. the Union cannot set prices for the workforce if enough workers
>negotiate their own prices by the side). Hence Unions act like mobs to surviv

It's a complex issue. Non-union places mainly only survive because they
directly compete with Union places. If they pay less or have terrible
working conditions, their workers will go elsewhere. Granted it's much
better these days because of half decent minimum wages and safety conditions
pretty much guaranteed by basic government rules.

True communism is a whole other world. Canada is often referred to by
Americans as a Socialist Democracy. No question we are more Socialist
on average than the USA, but there is still a Capitalist backbone there
allowing those who are smarter and/or work harder to do better than the
average person. That's usually not an option in a true communist situation.
Generally speaking they do a job for a set rate and they want you to work
as hard as possible but, doing so, won't get you ahead.. so the only way
to 'win' is to do as little work as you can get away with so you are doing
less work than your neighbour for the same money. Production rates there
are generally pretty dismal compared to here.

But Russia is no fun to live in for a lot of reasons. My next door neighbour
lived there, working for a North American company, for several years and
he said that it's fairly nice there.. if you have money. But the average
person there barely scrapes by. He mentioned the owner of a butcher shop
that he bought from told him once, when complimented on the meat, that he
tries to make it the best he can but couldn't comment much on it because
he couldn't afford to shop in his own store.

I asked him if he felt safe with his family there, and he said he had a
nice house with virtually no crime and they could hire housekeepers and
gardeners and such for 80 cents an hour. This was only about 8 years ago.
Later his 'feeling safe' comment was made more clear when he mentioned
that he lived in a part of the city where only workers and their families
from other countries lived, and there was a high brick wall around the
whole area that was patrolled by hired soldiers with automatic weapons
24 hours a day.

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RM> Admittedly, at one time, they were needed and in some places they maybe
> still are, but I always found that hard workers are difficult to find so
> most companies take pretty good care to keep them happy because there are
> always other offers out there.

MO>I worked at a salaried job, then the plant shut down and relocated the repair
>service department to the main plant. The main plant was a "closed shop"
>beyond the double doors heading out to the plant floor, so we were given the
>option to be integrated in the union or to find another job.

MO>At first we thought being unionized was repressive, but later on we saw how m
>ch certain supervisiors would try to make up conflicting policies depending
>on favoritism or perception...

Yes, dpending on the place Union stuff can be all over the place. They help in
companies that will walk all over their employees cutting corners wherever
possible, but the also can stifle productivity when working harder doesn't get
you anywhere because wages are set in stone based on time worked there and
it's often near impossible to fire someone for being lazy.

One place I worked at, when I was in the plant on my own, I actually set a
world record in production - multiple branches on 3 continents - and as
we grew I treated the people I was now supervising much better than the
other divisions did and production stayed well up there, although we had
to hide when people were between jobs 'slacking off' because when more
work came in a day than we could reasonably be expected to handle, we
would also all work our tails off and get it done. If you push people
all the time, their only intelligent recourse is to work slower.

That all came to a crashing halt a couple of years later when a Union got
into the company. I left and the others changed their attitude and a large
number of customers were lost.. and our biggest competitor heard that I'd
left and offered me 50% more money if I would go work for them.
Why I didn't take that job is a long story but it shows that when you
do exceptional work usually people know about it and are willing to pay
well for that person. That said, if the company is Huge, it's much harder
to stand out and often exceptional results are taken by the higher ups as
their doing, not crediting any individual(s).

Often management is a victim of the "Peter Principal.
There are a couple of definitions of that but the one I refer to is
that a person will rise in a company to just beyond the level of their
competence, suggesting Most managers are incompetent at their jobs. B)

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> No expert but I'd have to think that someone from China could immigrate here
> as easily as anyone else. It might take a while, as there are huge numbers of
> people that want to come to Canada (at least until they find out about the
> weather.. Ha!) but I'd assume many coming from China would be wealthy which
> probably helps the situation. But that's for a full time move. If they wanted
> to still return to their own country at times then they would probably be
> restricted to no more than 6 months at a time in Canada.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I got
the idea that they could not immigrate permanently. I had heard that
Chinese buy condos in BC and then rent them cheap during the seasons they
are not there because they cannot stay. So I think that is where I got the
idea that none of them could stay. Thanks!

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Rob Mccart to ARELOR on Thu Feb 02 2023 12:51 am

> It's a complex issue. Non-union places mainly only survive because they
> directly compete with Union places. If they pay less or have terrible
> working conditions, their workers will go elsewhere. Granted it's much
> better these days because of half decent minimum wages and safety conditions
> pretty much guaranteed by basic government rules.

are you talking about canada or other countries? i'm in the usa and i dont see any non union places only surviving because they directly compete with unions.
places survive because of good business.

and regarding minimum wage, i only see that in non skilled jobs that many adults wouldn't even take.

> he said that it's fairly nice there.. if you have money. But the average
> person there barely scrapes by. He mentioned the owner of a butcher shop
> that he bought from told him once, when complimented on the meat, that he
> tries to make it the best he can but couldn't comment much on it because
> he couldn't afford to shop in his own store.

oh i'm sure that's a cultural thing were he's acting humble. i'm sure he has the pick of whatever he wants.

> from other countries lived, and there was a high brick wall around the
> whole area that was patrolled by hired soldiers with automatic weapons
> 24 hours a day.

sounds like a safe place. i wish my neighborhood had that.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Dumas Walker to ROB MCCART on Thu Feb 02 2023 04:50 pm

> That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I got
> the idea that they could not immigrate permanently. I had heard that
> Chinese buy condos in BC and then rent them cheap during the seasons they
> are not there because they cannot stay. So I think that is where I got the
> idea that none of them could stay. Thanks!

they get property in other countries because it's an investment.
they tried that in wisconsin and it's not working out because they dont take good care of their purchases.

around here the cities will steal it away from you if you dont take care of it. even if it's not your fault [vandalism].
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-=> Quoting Rob Mccart to Moondog <=-

RM> Often management is a victim of the "Peter Principal.
RM> There are a couple of definitions of that but the one I refer to is
RM> that a person will rise in a company to just beyond the level of their
RM> competence, suggesting Most managers are incompetent at their jobs.

Not trying to be contentious, but instead of watching and talking
about the situation - is there something you would do differenty if
you were the one in charge?

In a lot of places, what I would see is people sitting on the
sidelines complaining about how the business was being managed, but
never really stepping up to try and change things in a better way.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Cougar428 to ROB MCCART on Sat Feb 04 2023 08:22 am

> Not trying to be contentious, but instead of watching and talking
> about the situation - is there something you would do differenty if
> you were the one in charge?
>
> In a lot of places, what I would see is people sitting on the
> sidelines complaining about how the business was being managed, but
> never really stepping up to try and change things in a better way.
>

The way to do it right is to walk ouf of such firms and try to start your own
business, which isn't easy, and therefore few people tries.

You are not charging a corporation from within unless you are somebody already,
and if you were, things would work to your liking already.

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RM>> No expert but I'd have to think that someone from China could immigrate
>> here as easily as anyone else. If they wanted to still return to
>> their own country at times then they would probably be restricted
>> to no more than 6 months at a time in Canada.
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DW>That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I got
>the idea that they could not immigrate permanently.

Well, think of all the people who have moved to Canada and the USA from Russia
or Cuba. I'd imagine most of them that want to move premanently are doing so
because they don't like the system they are fleeing from and, even if that's
not the case, they will likely have a big problem trying to convert us to
their Commie ways.. B)

DW>I had heard that Chinese buy condos in BC and then rent them cheap
>during the seasons they are not there because they cannot stay.
>So I think that is where I got the idea that none of them could stay.

In a lot of cases it is wealthy people there looking for places to invest
money they've managed to hide from their government where there's a good
chance the places will go up in price. The limits on how long they can
stay would likely be based on if they want to immigrate permanently and
the hassle of the waiting period until they could get permission to move
here if they do. I expect the super rich in China have a better time of
things than the average people there (think of Russian Oligarchs) and,
although they may want to take advantage of things in the more 'free'
countries, they may not have any desire to move here permanently, plus
they may have a major problem getting much more than a tiny percentage
of all their $Billions out of their home country..

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RM> > It's a complex issue. Non-union places mainly only survive because they
> > directly compete with Union places. If they pay less or have terrible
> > working conditions, their workers will go elsewhere. Granted it's much
> > better these days because of half decent minimum wages and safety conditio
> > pretty much guaranteed by basic government rules.

MR>are you talking about canada or other countries? i'm in the usa and i dont se
>ny non union places only surviving because they directly compete with unions.
>places survive because of good business.

Sorry, to clarify, although my messages come through a US Board, I do live
in Canada. Having looked at the information online I know there are still
a lot of US States with quite low minimum wages. Here they are working on
a Federal absolute minimum of $15 per hour - Provinces can choose to set
their minimum wage at More than that, but not less.

My point on competing with Union places.. My brother worked for years
for Sears Canada and multiple times the Unions tried to get in there
but when it came to the workers voting, they chose Not to have a Union
because Sears treated them quite well, possibly better than a Union place.

MR>and regarding minimum wage, i only see that in non skilled jobs that
>many adults wouldn't even take.

Quite true in many cases.. But a devcent minimum wage is the only way
to avoid Major poverty for those who have to, or can only do, those
types of jobs. My very first job I started at minimum wage, but I never
worked for minimum wage again. You hope to get skills to be worth more
than that later in that job, or in your next job. BUT, if there's a Union
in place, what you can make is usually guaranteed but also limited to
what your Union has negotiated with your employer. My non-union jobs, I
generally started there making less than most of the people already there
but, within a few years, I was making more than most of them. You usually
don't have that option in a Union place.

RM> > he said that it's fairly nice there.. if you have money. But the average
> > person there barely scrapes by. He mentioned the owner of a butcher shop
> > that he bought from told him once, when complimented on the meat, that he
> > tries to make it the best he can but couldn't comment much on it because
> > he couldn't afford to shop in his own store.

MR>oh i'm sure that's a cultural thing were he's acting humble. i'm sure he
>has the pick of whatever he wants.

Not quite.. You are right that he did get some products out of the shop but
he literally had to sneak them out. If they catch you taking them, you
are 'stealing from the people' and they tend to seriously frown on that..
all the way to a re-education camp somewhere in the frozen North..

From all, according to their ability, to all, according to their need..

(Unless you are already super rich and buddies with the Dictator.. Oops I
mean the 'President' of Russia..) B)

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> DW>That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I got
> >the idea that they could not immigrate permanently.

> Well, think of all the people who have moved to Canada and the USA from Russia
> or Cuba. I'd imagine most of them that want to move premanently are doing so
> because they don't like the system they are fleeing from and, even if that's
> not the case, they will likely have a big problem trying to convert us to
> their Commie ways.. B)

Cuba is another country I didn't think you were able to permanently leave
without fleeing. I know that used to be true. If they are able to leave
and are moving to Canada (and for the reasons we suspect), that is great!

> In a lot of cases it is wealthy people there looking for places to invest
> money they've managed to hide from their government where there's a good
> chance the places will go up in price. The limits on how long they can
> stay would likely be based on if they want to immigrate permanently and
> the hassle of the waiting period until they could get permission to move
> here if they do. I expect the super rich in China have a better time of
> things than the average people there (think of Russian Oligarchs) and,
> although they may want to take advantage of things in the more 'free'
> countries, they may not have any desire to move here permanently, plus
> they may have a major problem getting much more than a tiny percentage
> of all their $Billions out of their home country..

Yes, that makes sense. If they've been allowed to make money over there,
they probably are not doing too badly in their country and would have
trouble maintaining their riches elsewhere.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Dumas Walker to ROB MCCART on Sat Feb 04 2023 09:42 am

> > that's not the case, they will likely have a big problem trying to convert
> > us to their Commie ways.. B)
>
> Cuba is another country I didn't think you were able to permanently leave
> without fleeing. I know that used to be true. If they are able to leave
> and are moving to Canada (and for the reasons we suspect), that is great!
>

there's quite a few countries like that. maybe serbia is like that?
i dunno, i know a guy who co-owned a bar in town and he would have to travel back and forth.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Rob Mccart to DUMAS WALKER on Sat Feb 04 2023 01:18 am

> RM>> No expert but I'd have to think that someone from China could immigrate
> >> here as easily as anyone else. If they wanted to still return to
> >> their own country at times then they would probably be restricted
> >> to no more than 6 months at a time in Canada.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> DW>That, and the fact that China is a communist country, might be where I go
> >the idea that they could not immigrate permanently.
>
> Well, think of all the people who have moved to Canada and the USA from Russ
> or Cuba. I'd imagine most of them that want to move premanently are doing so
> because they don't like the system they are fleeing from and, even if that's
> not the case, they will likely have a big problem trying to convert us to
> their Commie ways.. B)
>
> DW>I had heard that Chinese buy condos in BC and then rent them cheap
> >during the seasons they are not there because they cannot stay.
> >So I think that is where I got the idea that none of them could stay.
>
> In a lot of cases it is wealthy people there looking for places to invest
> money they've managed to hide from their government where there's a good
> chance the places will go up in price. The limits on how long they can
> stay would likely be based on if they want to immigrate permanently and
> the hassle of the waiting period until they could get permission to move
> here if they do. I expect the super rich in China have a better time of
> things than the average people there (think of Russian Oligarchs) and,
> although they may want to take advantage of things in the more 'free'
> countries, they may not have any desire to move here permanently, plus
> they may have a major problem getting much more than a tiny percentage
> of all their $Billions out of their home country..
>

Due to military mobilisation, I bet there's travel restrictions from Russia.
They're alread telling those who took off for Europe and countries such as
Georgia they will be jail or executed if they return to Russia. If they get
thrown in prison, the Wagner group will swoop them up and send them to the
Ukraine for cannon fodder.

Regarding buying land or condos, large construciton firms are building modern
apartments like crazy in China, and there doesn't appear to be a demand for
the high end dwellings. In Tblisi, Georgia the Chinese built large
apartments surrounded by strip malls and economic districts, and the building
are vacant or mostly empty.

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RM> Often management is a victim of the "Peter Principal.
> There are a couple of definitions of that but the one I refer to is
> that a person will rise in a company to just beyond the level of their
> competence, suggesting Most managers are incompetent at their jobs.

CO>Not trying to be contentious, but instead of watching and talking
>about the situation - is there something you would do differenty if
>you were the one in charge?

CO>In a lot of places, what I would see is people sitting on the
>sidelines complaining about how the business was being managed, but
>never really stepping up to try and change things in a better way.

Have you ever tried to tell your boss that he's doing something wrong?
And the problem with incompetent bosses is they are paranoid about losing
their jobs so they will either ignore you, tell you to shut up, or try to
get rid of you in case higher-ups realize there is someone smarter than
them available to do the job.

I say all that with a smile. I didn't intend for it to sound confrontatonal
with you since I agree with your basic idea. A few times I've run into
this sort of thing and usually ended up deciding to forget it, just do the
job and let the boss sink or swim on how he runs things.

A Good boss is another story. One place I worked we got a sudden, panic
order come in from a very important customer and my boss came to me in
the plant and told me what the order was for and then paused and said,
'I have no idea how anyone could possibly do this in the time we have
to do it..'

I told him to leave it to me and I'd find a way, and he did that rather
than trying to micro-manage how I did the work. I did manage it, basically
doing about 8 or 10 hours of production in 5 hours.

After that he always just left things to me where a worse boss would have
just said, 'Well obviously you can do a lot more work in a day that we
thought', and would try to get you to half kill yourself all the time.

I later ended up running that department and, although other managers in
the company hated it, I'd let my people goof around when things were quiet
because then they would work at 120% when it was required. If you push
people to work hard all the time, they just set a slower constant pace.

In the end I stopped working for other people by the time I was 32. If you
are your own boss you only have to answer to the customers and, in most
of the jobs I did, my customers actually paid me more than I asked for so
that I would be readily available for them when they needed me again.
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RM>> Well, think of all the people who have moved to Canada and the USA from Rus
>> or Cuba. I'd imagine most of them that want to move premanently are doing s
>> because they don't like the system they are fleeing from

DW>Cuba is another country I didn't think you were able to permanently leave
>without fleeing. I know that used to be true. If they are able to leave
>and are moving to Canada (and for the reasons we suspect), that is great!

Yes, I wasn't suggesting that their government would happily permit
emigration.. otherwise they'd have no poor people left to exploit.. B)

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