pF> Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would
pF> stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
pF> anything or have screws left over!

Nice job! My gaming rig has started making some odd sounds when the fans kick on. I haven't yet isolated which fan is the actual problem, but once I do, I suspect I'll likely just replace it. I'm curious - did you consider replacing the fans at all or did you just want to fix the ones you have?

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Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: esc to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Jan 22 2023 11:18 am

> pF> Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would
> pF> stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
> pF> anything or have screws left over!
>
> Nice job! My gaming rig has started making some odd sounds when the fans
> kick on. I haven't yet isolated which fan is the actual problem, but once I
> do, I suspect I'll likely just replace it. I'm curious - did you consider
> replacing the fans at all or did you just want to fix the ones you have?

They really do not make them like they used to, so it's best to replace them.

you can get a monitoring program that will tell you the rpm of the fans. You can't entirely trust THOSE cheap sensors, though.

if you hear sounds they are probably running on borrowed time.
make sure your computer is setup to turn off if the cpu heat gets too high.
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pF> Everything went back together, the fans are quieter, the fan that would
pF> stop working momentarily is working normally, and I didn't break
pF> anything or have screws left over!

es> Nice job! My gaming rig has started making some odd sounds when
es> the fans kick on. I haven't yet isolated which fan is the actual
es> problem, but once I do, I suspect I'll likely just replace it.
es> I'm curious - did you consider replacing the fans at all or did
es> you just want to fix the ones you have?

Well, you snipped it out, but quoting from his opening paragraph... "and
so I bought some replacement fans." ... ;-)

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es> Nice job! My gaming rig has started making some odd sounds when the
es> fans kick on. I haven't yet isolated which fan is the actual problem,
es> but once I do, I suspect I'll likely just replace it. I'm curious - did
es> you consider replacing the fans at all or did you just want to fix the
es> ones you have?

I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
a month. I figured I'd do a dry-run first and see how hard it would be
to take apart this time.

I'll keep the new ones around for when the fans finally fail.

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Re: Re: How far I've come...
By: poindexter FORTRAN to esc on Mon Jan 23 2023 06:15 am

>
> I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
> a month. I figured I'd do a dry-run first and see how hard it would be
> to take apart this time.
>
> I'll keep the new ones around for when the fans finally fail.

why didnt you just use amazon
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Hello MRO!

** On Tuesday 24.01.23 - 16:27, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:

>> I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
>> a month...

M> why didnt you just use amazon

It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China,
literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
China. It too will be about a month in transit.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jan 25 2023 07:23 am

> Hello MRO!
>
> ** On Tuesday 24.01.23 - 16:27, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:
>
> >> I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
> >> a month...
>
> M> why didnt you just use amazon
>
> It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China,
> literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
> not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
> product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
> China. It too will be about a month in transit.

right now what a lot of sellers do is use alibaba or whatever it's called. when someone orders from amazon, alibaba drop ships it. but in 2021 i had a mouse get in my garage and chew up the wires in my car. i had to replace blower motor, blower resistor and wiring, and the main fuse and a solenoid.

the solonoid and main fuse (which i couldnt get ANYWHERE else) were from china and had 2 week wait time. i got it in 3 days.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jan 25 2023 07:23 am

> Hello MRO!
>
> ** On Tuesday 24.01.23 - 16:27, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN:
>
> >> I ordered new fans, but they're coming from China and won't be here for
> >> a month...
>
> M> why didnt you just use amazon
>
> It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China,
> literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
> not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
> product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
> China. It too will be about a month in transit.
>
>
>
Azon is a marketplace, and in order to carry A to Z you will run into items
made from Chinesium. For example I needed a USB to serial interface, and it
arived in a puffy airmail container from a Chinese vendor

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-->SNIP

Og> It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China,
Og> literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
Og> not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
Og> product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
Og> China. It too will be about a month in transit.

Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
China? I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the
investment is worth it (IMO).

Cougar

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Moondog to Ogg on Wed Jan 25 2023 06:00 pm

>
> Azon is a marketplace, and in order to carry A to Z you will run into items
> made from Chinesium. For example I needed a USB to serial interface, and it
> arived in a puffy airmail container from a Chinese vendor

everything comes from china. they are superior to everyone else.
it's also cheap for them to ship their products to the usa and other countries.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Cougar428 to OGG on Thu Jan 26 2023 06:46 am

> Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
> China?

lookup the chinese industrial revolution.
look at how the take over steel, concrete, pork bellies, etc.

they live, we sleep

>I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the

you're literally buying chinese shit and it's branded as american under some technicality. in some form it's coming from china. it could be down to the base elements to the various components to it being entirely created and assembled there except for 1 operation in the usa.

I've worked in manufacturing for 28 years and I have a lot of experience with a lot of different things. china does it better. my former company tried for almost 10 years to have an american made company make something simple with no flaws for a decent price. they could not do it correctly 75% of the time. they sure sent nice gift baskets during christmas, though.

I've seen it all and i've worked for the big names. You would be surprised.
you are NOT buying american.
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Hello MRO!

M> the solonoid and main fuse (which i couldnt get ANYWHERE else) were from
M> china and had 2 week wait time. i got it in 3 days. -+-

You probably got lucky with a domestic shipment.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Cougar428 to OGG on Thu Jan 26 2023 06:46 am

Co> Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
Co> China? I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the
Co> investment is worth it (IMO).

Apparently it's less expensive for American companies to have things made in China. And with China's population, they have a lot of people to develop manufacturing facilities and work for them, so they have a high workforce volume too.

Even if you buy something made in the US, it may contain parts that were made in China, especially if it's electronic.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Ogg to MRO on Wed Jan 25 2023 07:24 pm

> Hello MRO!
>
> M> the solonoid and main fuse (which i couldnt get ANYWHERE else) were from
> M> china and had 2 week wait time. i got it in 3 days. -+-
>
> You probably got lucky with a domestic shipment.

what probably happened is they had to order them in bulk from a supplier and put them into amazon's warehouse. someone else ordered them previously and triggered the order. Later, the remaining ones were in stock at amazon and I got one.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Cougar428 to OGG on Thu Jan 26 2023 06:46 am

> -=> Quoting Ogg to Mro <=-
>
> -->SNIP
>
> Og> It seems that most electronics from A-n *does* come from China,
> Og> literally. I ordered a universival smartphone battery charger
> Og> not long ago, and paid extra for faster shipping, and the
> Og> product is still taking its sweet ol' time being shipped from
> Og> China. It too will be about a month in transit.
>
> Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
> China? I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the
> investment is worth it (IMO).
>
> Cougar
>
>
> ... "Don't mince words, Ogg ... what do you *REALLY* think?"
>
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>

As stated, cost is the big thing. My father worked for a die cast company,
and the exceutive staff was invited to China to visit a foundry being built.
The construction crew cleared an empty area, then built apartment buildings.
They were used by the construction company while the foundry was being built.
While hte foundry was being brought up to production, the construction of
tool and die shops were being built next door to it. When finished, the
construction crew moves out of the apartments, then the employees move in. Th
e complex is a self contained town in the middle of nowhere with industrial
rail access.

The apartments would be 2-3 person by US standards, but will host 8 Chinese
workers. The company quoted them on the cost of building a die cast machine
and all the cores, and the price was less than the cost of raw materials
anywhere else in the world. When a company can build a finished product for
less than raw materials, imagine adding on to it all the reuired governmental
fees and bring it all up to compliance. Add the cost of US employees and
benefits. Unless you produce a consumable product with a strong customer
base and constant demand, several companies find manufacturing overseas is
more lucrative.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Cougar428 on Thu Jan 26 2023 08:18 am

> Re: How far I've come...
> By: Cougar428 to OGG on Thu Jan 26 2023 06:46 am
>
> > Not bashing here, but why is it that everything we use is made in
> > China?
>
> lookup the chinese industrial revolution.
> look at how the take over steel, concrete, pork bellies, etc.
>
> they live, we sleep
>
> >I try to buy items made in the US. They cost more but the
>
> you're literally buying chinese shit and it's branded as american under some
> operation in the usa.
>
> I've worked in manufacturing for 28 years and I have a lot of experience wit
> price. they could not do it correctly 75% of the time. they sure sent nice
>
> I've seen it all and i've worked for the big names. You would be surprised.
> you are NOT buying american.

During Christmas time the stores sell these big tin's of cookies from
Scandinavian countries. I lokoed at the small print and one said, "packaged
in Denmark." The cookies and tins were made in China, Vietnam, or the
Phillipines, then sent to Denmark to be packed in order to be a product of
Denmark.

Maglite was an all-American manufacturer. they produced or sourced
everything from the US except the bulbs. Nobody made them in the states any
more. What had screwed them over is the cheap LED flashlight market snuck up
on them. For a fraction of the cost, I could get a rugged LED light made
from a lesser grade aluminum that would still take a beating. If not, I feel
better about replacing a $13 light than a $45 light

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> china does it better. my former company tried for almo
> st 10 years to have an american made company make something simple with no
la
> for a decent price.

It is difficult to make something of the same quality at the same price
point when the entity you are competing against pays their employees so
much less and can also use slave labor from the re-education camps.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jan 26 2023 11:43 am

Mo> During Christmas time the stores sell these big tin's of cookies from
Mo> Scandinavian countries. I lokoed at the small print and one said,
Mo> "packaged in Denmark." The cookies and tins were made in China, Vietnam,
Mo> or the Phillipines, then sent to Denmark to be packed in order to be a
Mo> product of Denmark.

I wonder how those cookies stay fresh, being shipped all around the world like that.

And that reminds me of my car.. My car was assembled in Germany, but I found the engine was built in Mexico and the transmission was built in Japan. So those components were shipped to Germany where they assembled the car, then the car was transported here to the US where it was sold. And apparently it was still profitable to build the car that way.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Thu Jan 26 2023 04:32 pm

> > china does it better. my former company tried for almo
> > st 10 years to have an american made company make something simple with no
> la
> > for a decent price.
>
> It is difficult to make something of the same quality at the same price
> point when the entity you are competing against pays their employees so
> much less and can also use slave labor from the re-education camps.
>
>

i'm not even sure that what we say about china is right anymore.
it could just be propaganda.

some companies here in the usa don't pay people enough. the other day i saw a job on indeed that required a BA that paid 17/hr.

I don't think we're at the point where china makes cheap junk.

personally i have seen it better and cheaper from china. american companies can charge more just because. I've examined electronics from american companies and chinese and there's either no difference or chinese electronics are done better. INDIA, i do not trust. china is just better at everything.
everyone snoozed and losed.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Jan 26 2023 02:19 pm

> Mo> Vietnam, or the Phillipines, then sent to Denmark to be packed in order
> Mo> to be a product of Denmark.
>
> I wonder how those cookies stay fresh, being shipped all around the world
> like that.

preservatives. maybe it IS a bit stale, but people don't notice.

chex mix is left out in the open for days at general mills but people still eat that junk. it's half stale. same as their other products.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Jan 26 2023 02:19 pm

> Re: How far I've come...
> By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jan 26 2023 11:43 am
>
> Mo> During Christmas time the stores sell these big tin's of cookies from
> Mo> Scandinavian countries. I lokoed at the small print and one said,
> Mo> "packaged in Denmark." The cookies and tins were made in China, Vietnam
> Mo> or the Phillipines, then sent to Denmark to be packed in order to be a
> Mo> product of Denmark.
>
> I wonder how those cookies stay fresh, being shipped all around the world li
>
> And that reminds me of my car.. My car was assembled in Germany, but I foun
> here to the US where it was sold. And apparently it was still profitable to
>
> Nightfox
>
It's probably packed in nitrogen and shipped priority shipping or by air.
From there it is packed in airtight tins and sealed.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Jan 26 2023 14:19:10

Modern supply chains are notorious for being extremely complex and fractured. Every part of the product making is made in a completely different country. A famous example is the "Grown in Argentina, packaged in Thailand beans thing that appeared a year ago. Honestly this approach seems inefficent considering transporation costs (altrough you could argue that do it being shipped in bulk, invalidates the costs).

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Re: How far I've come...
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 26 2023 08:47 pm

MR> electronics are done better. INDIA, i do not trust. china is just better
MR> at everything. everyone snoozed and losed.

One thing is probably population. China has 1.412 billion people (vs. 331.9 million in the US) - China just has so many more people that can go into a particular field in the workforce and develop methods to manufacture things. And just the sheer number of people who could be available for manufacturing jobs is higher than many other countries.

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Re: How far I've come...
By: BoomieMovie to Nightfox on Fri Jan 27 2023 12:03 pm

> Re: How far I've come...
> By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Jan 26 2023 14:19:10
>
> Modern supply chains are notorious for being extremely complex and
> fractured. Every part of the product making is made in a completely
> different country. A famous example is the "Grown in Argentina, packaged in
> Thailand beans thing that appeared a year ago. Honestly this approach seems
> inefficent considering transporation costs (altrough you could argue that do
> it being shipped in bulk, invalidates the costs).

we had a washer that had to come from belgium. each time they would only send a small amount. this is a washer that could be made locally very easy.
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Re: How far I've come...
By: Nightfox to MRO on Fri Jan 27 2023 09:18 am

> Re: How far I've come...
> By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Thu Jan 26 2023 08:47 pm
>
> MR> electronics are done better. INDIA, i do not trust. china is just
> MR> better at everything. everyone snoozed and losed.
>
> One thing is probably population. China has 1.412 billion people (vs. 331.9
> million in the US) - China just has so many more people that can go into a
> particular field in the workforce and develop methods to manufacture things.
> And just the sheer number of people who could be available for manufacturing
> jobs is higher than many other countries.

no, china just decided they needed to do an overhaul. look it up.
america has a lot of manufacturing as well. so does japan. japan is small and has like 125million people.
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