Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:15 pm

> > She was director over business services, and i cannot figure how she ranke
> > so high. She tried to move further up the food chain by taking the senior
> > ctor operator's licensing course. She got canned for cheating on the fina
> > exam.
>
>
> You may have answered your own question there, assuming there were previous
> tests to cheat on and she didn't get caught before.
>
> The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am
> assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
>
>
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>
Management folk do not take the SRO exam to become SR reactor operators. They d
get their license so they can be qualified to oversee other SRO's and other
plant operations people. She had peaked as a non-nuclear career path
employee at a nuclear power generation plant. In order to become plant
manager or site VP, she had to acquire the not just the knowledge but also
the respect and acknowledgement of merit one gets by compling an intense 18
month 12 hour a day course.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 19 2022 01:19 am

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
> By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Mon Jul 18 2022 04:15 pm
>
> > The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I
> > assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
> >
>
> they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, v
>
> i've done that.
>
In nuclear, folks who manipluate valves and breakers in the plant section are
auxiliary operators. They report to the control room operators. The SRO is
the chief of the control room.

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> Admittedly, it's been a few years since I ripped off Blu-Rays and DVDs, but yo
> use Slyfox's AnyDVD to remove the copyprotection (by actually writing the keys
> o your active memory and allowing decoding), and then Handbrake should be able
> o pull the video and audio streams off of the disc. That's the theory at any
> te.

ahhhh, I will check into that!

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> > The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (I am
> > assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
> >

> they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses, val
> s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.

> i've done that.

Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of
those might also ought to scare anyone. :)

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Re: Preserving Digital History
By: Kaelon to Boraxman on Tue Jul 19 2022 05:42 am

> During the Renaissance, this problem was tackled programmatically through a
> variety of specialized roles:
>
> * ARCHIVISTS were responsible for determining how content would be stored
> for the long-haul, and built upon the ancient library science and started
> creating standards for preservation, categorization, and reference.
>
> * CHRONICLERS reviewed all of the news of the ages and built abridged
> histories, or Chronicles, of the time, including extentive reference to
> content that had been archived for future generations to conduct follow-up
> research.
>
> * HISTORIANS became the scholars that reviewed the chronicles and
> cross-referenced with what archivists, and lesser librarians, had stored, in
> order to produce more 'modern' retrospectives and studies on what really
> happened and what the impact of what happened was.
>
> We need similar roles for the new digital age. And I am not really
> convinced that the Internet Archive has a true archival, chronicling, and
> historiographic practice for their resspective domains.
> _____
Agree, but who? Private interests may do it, but likely to monetise it, or not be interested because there isn't a quick return. Churhes? Monasteries?

I think the solution is custody. Who owns the information, how is it transferred. A way to transfer the public contents of a server before you decommission it. A way for people who are done maintaining their sites to simply hand it over to archivists. This would be more a cultural shift than a technological one.

We will resolve this issue, but not without a significant period inbetween where a lot of digital information was just thrown to the wind.

There are already questions about how to handle social media accounts after people die, who takes ownership and such, and I think this problem neatly extends to the one we are discussing.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to KAELON on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:13 pm

> ahhhh, I will check into that!

As others have mentioned here, I should retract my advice and instead recommend MakeMKV, which has the ability to rip the audio and video streams and completely disregard whatever encryption keys are in store. I had completely spaced on this, probably because it is primarily a command-line Linux application, but I believe there are GUI and Windows/macOS branches of MakeMKV that should work just fine these days.
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Re: Preserving Digital History
By: Boraxman to Kaelon on Wed Jul 20 2022 09:33 am

> I think the solution is custody. Who owns the information, how is it
> transferred. A way to transfer the public contents of a server before you
> decommission it. A way for people who are done maintaining their sites to
> simply hand it over to archivists. This would be more a cultural shift than
> a technological one.

This is a great idea! Chain of custody arrangements would certainly be in line with many of our legal and institutional practices. Could we formalize this so that the cultural shift is embedded in technological practices? And how would we contend with the evergreen economic interests that no doubt would prevail? A fascinating proposition, indeed!

> There are already questions about how to handle social media accounts after
> people die, who takes ownership and such, and I think this problem neatly
> extends to the one we are discussing.

Another great observation! I think you are absolutely right; there are very compatible applications between the memorialization of the deceaseds' social media accounts and the need to preserve human knowledge beyond the digital conundrum in which we have found ourselves.
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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Kaelon to Dumas Walker on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:49 pm

Ka> As others have mentioned here, I should retract my advice and instead
Ka> recommend MakeMKV, which has the ability to rip the audio and video
Ka> streams and completely disregard whatever encryption keys are in store. I
Ka> had completely spaced on this, probably because it is primarily a
Ka> command-line Linux application, but I believe there are GUI and
Ka> Windows/macOS branches of MakeMKV that should work just fine these days.

There is a GUI version of MakeMKV for Linux.. I didn't even know there was a command-line version..?

Nightfox

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:14 pm

> > val
> > s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
>
> > i've done that.
>
> Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of
> those might also ought to scare anyone. :)

yeah a guy told me someone got coated in a chemical that burns off your stink but seriously desensatizes it while doing so. so basically you are being eaten alive and don't know it.

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Re: Preserving Digital History
By: Kaelon to Boraxman on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:53 pm

> This is a great idea! Chain of custody arrangements would certainly be in
> line with many of our legal and institutional practices. Could we formalize
> this so that the cultural shift is embedded in technological practices? And
> how would we contend with the evergreen economic interests that no doubt
> would prevail? A fascinating proposition, indeed!
>
> Another great observation! I think you are absolutely right; there are very
> compatible applications between the memorialization of the deceaseds' social
> media accounts and the need to preserve human knowledge beyond the digital
> conundrum in which we have found ourselves.
> _____

It could be done with some containerisation. A basic static web page is already 'containerised' in that you simply need to transfer the filesystem heirarchy. More complex ones could have export and import automated. I have migrated web pages from server to server and it is something which could be futher automated.

I could imagine a cPanel option where you can nominate where the site is archived to. Facebook and Google allow you to export your data already. We're mostly there, it is the standardisation of process and interface and creation of formal agreements. Or the nominated archive could simply be pushed an access token that allows it access, similar to how you may have someone as a github collaborator. Cloud based accounts could work similar.

Peoples 'offline' data is a harder challenge.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Jul 19 2022 04:14 pm

> > > The fact that she was in a position to possibly be a reactor operator (
> > > assuming nuclear) should be enough to scare anyone.
> > >
>
> > they also have chemical reactor operators where you operatore pumps hoses,
> > s to xfer chemicals in liquid and powder form.
>
> > i've done that.
>
> Depending on the chemicals in question, the idea of her operating one of
> those might also ought to scare anyone. :)
>
>
> * SLMR 2.1a * "Mmmmmmmm.....chocolate."
>
I mentioned in another thread that her getting licensed was a job advancment
pre-requisite. She'd never touch a piece of real equipment

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> I mentioned in another thread that her getting licensed was a job advancment
> pre-requisite. She'd never touch a piece of real equipment

Understood, but if she'd not been caught cheating she might have got
licensed. :O

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Ogg to Arelor on Sun Jul 17 2022 07:55 am

> Hello Arelor!
>
> ** On Saturday 16.07.22 - 12:21, Arelor wrote to Moondog:
>
> A> Moviemakers know they make much more money from the first
> A> days after a theatrical release than they do from long term
> A> royalties and DVD sales.
>
> Can that really be true? I would think that the physical/
> streaming branch of a release would bring in a more guaranteed
> inflow of cash. Some actors have opted to lower salaries in
> their films for life-time royalties and are richer for that.
>
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Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a significant dime past its
expiration date.

It is just like books. Books make most of their profit during their commertial lives
within the first 6 months of publication of so. Then they make the rest by limping
along through the years with no glory left on their shoulders.

Now, a film that is a marketing freak of nature will make lots of indirect revenue,
via licenses and merchandising, but I don't think people counts those :-)

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Boraxman to Moondog on Mon Jul 18 2022 07:42 pm

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
> By: Moondog to Boraxman on Sun Jul 17 2022 10:19 pm
>
> > One of the things I liked about buying DVD's was when they offered
> > additional commentary and extra clips and mini-documentaries, such as the
> > making of a movie. Not sure if there is a way to encrypt the director's and
> > actor's commentaries into existing video formats.
> I'm pretty sure you can with some container formats, have more than one audio strea
>
> DVD has multiple audio channels, so you should be able to find a tool which wil let
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With .mkv you can have as many audio streams and subtitles streams inside a single
file as you will ever need. YOu can even have multiple video streams inside the same
file if you ever need that feature.

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-=> Arelor wrote to Ogg <=-

Ar> Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a significant
Ar> dime past its expiration date.

On the podcast "How did this get made", a podcast about odd movies and
flops, the host interviewed Mel Brooks about "Solar Babies".

Yes, that YA post-apocalyptic cheezy flick from the '80s.

He and Anne Bancroft started Brooks Films, because Mel wanted to get
involved in dramas, and he was so typecast as a funny guy. They did some
interesting films, like Mask, The Elephant Man and The Fly.

He liked the idea of Solarbabies and liked the pitch - they could film in
spain, buy all of the vehicles and support gear there, then sell it for a
profit. They wanted $5 million. He thought he could finance that with a
couple of friends.

The film is set in a drought-ridden world. It immediately began raining
torrents, meaning delays.

He then had to go back to his friends for another $5 million, and was
starting to get worried. Everything that usually goes wrong did go wrong.

More delays, more issues, and he had to go get a second mortgage to get
another $5 million.

The movie came out and the reception was lukewarm. But, VHS came around and
it got another life in video rentals.

Mel Brooks said it had finally broke even - in 2014!

The podcast had me in stiches. Mel Brooks' assistant had told the host that
he could have 15 minutes with him, but sometimes he goes over. They spoke
for an hour and a half.

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Hello Arelor!

** On Thursday 21.07.22 - 05:43, Arelor wrote to Ogg:

A> Unless a film has a lot of staying power, it won't make a
A> significant dime past its expiration date.

A> It is just like books. Books make most of their profit
A> during their commertial lives within the first 6 months of
A> publication of so. Then they make the rest by limping along
A> through the years with no glory left on their shoulders.

I see books that were released years ago only NOW getting
attention. The various young-adult fantasy series by Leigh
Bardugo:

Shadow and Bone trilogy (2012)
Six of Crows duology (2015)

..are just a couple are only NOW getting quite popular.

Court of Thorns and Roses series of 5 fanstasy novels (2015) by
Sarah Maas, are still quite popular sellers.

There are numerous other examples of books that exceed the 1st
6 months that you suggest. ;)

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Hello Nightfox!

** On Tuesday 19.07.22 - 10:02, Nightfox wrote to Ogg:

Og>> Why sketchy? Did you get a home-burned CD-R version? It
Og>> would be very easy to tell the difference between a
Og>> commercial CD and a CD-R.

N> It was a commercially produced copy. I guess it seemed
N> sketchy because they seemed to have other copies of the CD
N> by itself (without the case) that they could give to
N> customers to replace the one they had bought.. For a pawn
N> shop, I wouldn't have expected that at the time, I guess.

Sounds like it was a good coincidence to work in your favour.

I've received the occassional multiple copy of a CD from a
single source collection at my shop. But my results are
haphazard. In the past, I've even managed to buy another copy
of the same CD a few times for my own collection too! :/

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