Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:32 pm

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
> By: Digital Man to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 02:23 pm
>
> >> we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with
> >> all that stuff. it's working out great.
>
> DM> We are too. I went through all the trouble of getting an HDTV antenna
> DM> mounted on the roof with an HDHomeRun to record OTA content (for my
> DM> "Plex DVR"), but nobody here ever watched any of the live or recorded
> DM> content. If we want to watch something that was on OTA/network TV (e.g.
> DM> SNL), we end up streaming it from some service anyway.
>
> Some of those shows on OTA TV, I'm not sure is available elsewhere.
> Sometimes I like to watch Jeopardy, Family Feud, local news, etc., which is
> available on OTA, but is that stuff on any online streaming service?
>

it might be on pluto.tv

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 07:55 pm

>> Do you ever run into a problem with pulled content though? I've had
>> times where I was watching a TV show that was included with the
>> streaming service and then suddenly pulled it or started charging
>> extra to "rent" or buy the

MR> that sounds like you are watching a teaser episode and you have to pay
MR> more to get the rest.

It wasn't. I think I was in the middle of the 5th season or something when they suddenly started charging extra for it.

Nightfox

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 06:25 pm

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
> By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 07:55 pm
>
> >> Do you ever run into a problem with pulled content though? I've had
> >> times where I was watching a TV show that was included with the
> >> streaming service and then suddenly pulled it or started charging
> >> extra to "rent" or buy the
>
> MR> that sounds like you are watching a teaser episode and you have to pay
> MR> more to get the rest.
>
> It wasn't. I think I was in the middle of the 5th season or something when
> they suddenly started charging extra for it.
>

do you have the name of one of the shows and the season so i can pull it up

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Nightfox to Kaelon on Tue Jul 12 2022 09:09 am

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
> By: Kaelon to Nightfox on Mon Jul 11 2022 06:04 pm
>
> Ka> That said, it's good that Blu-Ray won the format wars. Sony created a
> Ka> superior format in every way. HD-DVD could support a maximum of 30GB of
> Ka> data, whereas Blu-Ray supported over 50GB. The maximum bitrate of both
> Ka> formats is substantially different, as well, with HD-DVD capping out at
> Ka> around 29-35 Mbit/s, and Blu-Ray supporting between 40 and 53 Mbit/s.
>
> Yeah, I remember reading about that. I agree it's good that blu-ray won tha
>
> Ka> The world is a better place because Blu-Ray won the format wars. But
> Ka> optical storage is now, largely, unnecessary given the ubiquity of fibe
> Ka> optic home internet service.
>
> I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always rely o
> ys being available to watch there. Those are a few of the reasons I still l
>
> Nightfox
>
I heard ont he radio the other day Sony or some other film company was
pulling movies off of one of the gaming console's streaming services. Sad
thing is there may be movies you have purchased and had stored locally on the
console's drive.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 10:24 pm

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
> By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:29 pm
>
> > seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purcha
> > a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
> > Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ra
> > movie shelves.
> > Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming
> > services all the time to watch movies.
>
> why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they are on dvd
>
movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce
provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:54 am

> Hello Arelor!
>
> ** On Tuesday 12.07.22 - 12:54, Arelor wrote to Nightfox:
>
> >> I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You
> >> can't always rely on your internet always working 100%, s
> >> being available to watch there. Those are a few of the
> >> reasons I still like to buy movies on physical formats
> >>
>
> A> The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
> A> not needed is very first worlder.
>
> It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
> focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
> access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
> ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.
>
>
> --
>
When Covid hit and students were forced to connect via zoom or other
services, it became clear how bad some customer's service was. I am using
Hughesnet (waiting list is long for Musk'd service) and I could do audio with
a major latency delay but no video, or I could mute my line and turn on video

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
> By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 09:16 am
>
> > MR> why dont you? arent movies just a waste of physical space if they ar
> > MR> on dvds?
> >
> > Online streaming services occasionally have problems (sometimes too many
> > people watching, occasional buffering, etc.), and sometimes (though rarel
> > my own internet service might have issues.
> >
>
> we are 100% streaming at this house. youtube, netflix, slingtv with all that
>
> do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
> i tossed all my dvds and cds out.
>

No cable, fiber, wisp or dsl in my area. Cell data only. ATT's fixed rural b
roadband apparently is not cell data, because they do not offer it on the
tower across the field from my house.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm

> do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
Don't most humans?

Being overly possessive is, obviously, undesirable.
But there's nothing wrong with wanting to be able to physically touch things.

We're still animals, and we still like something that engages the senses.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jul 14 2022 12:41 am

>
> movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce
> provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
> where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.

do you need a movie forever? i don't.
i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Margaerynne to MRO on Thu Jul 14 2022 08:08 am

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
> By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:42 pm
>
> > do you have that thing where you have an attachment to physical items?
> Don't most humans?

i don't

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> Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services n
> , and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If there's o
> y one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would be really wort
> it.

Despite the fact that cable has gone up, paying for all of the streaming
services in order to get what I want to watch would be more expensive.
Now, some OTA networks are debuting shows straight to their streaming service.
:(

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:54 am

> A> The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
> A> not needed is very first worlder.
>
> It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
> focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
> access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
> ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.
>

Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one of
those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in for
a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they
offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.

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-=> MRO wrote to Moondog <=-

> movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce
> provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
> where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.

MR> do you need a movie forever? i don't.

Yes.

MR> i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.

I do.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Jul 14 2022 10:29 am

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
> By: Moondog to MRO on Thu Jul 14 2022 12:41 am
>
> >
> > movies on the cloud can easily disappear or be pulled by the serivce
> > provider. private servers can go down. When camping in a locaton
> > where cell service sucks, I can still watch a DVD or Blu Ray disc.
>
> do you need a movie forever? i don't.
> i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.
>
Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online
or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a
virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile from
it's library.

On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo
shoot first. Some TV series did not transition well when going to
syndication or other forms of media distribution. A good example is the 1980'
s war series Tour of Duty. That series had an awesome soundtrack consisting
ocf several great songs from the Vietnam era. When they went into
syndication and to DVD, they couldn't get the rights to the origianl music,
or the IP owners wanted too much money. Imagine watching A Hard Days Night
and find all the Beatle's songs have been replaced with generic muzak?

I tried to find a service streaming the 1950's film To Hell and Back so my
nephew could watch it, and we couldn't find a host.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Jul 14 2022 05:44 pm

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
> By: Ogg to Arelor on Wed Jul 13 2022 08:54 am
>
> > A> The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are
> > A> not needed is very first worlder.
> >
> > It's probably not so much first worlder than it is metropolitan
> > focused (ie making the assumption that everyone has the same
> > access to high-speed internet everywhere). Although.. a
> > ubiquitous satellite-based system could make it so.
> >
>
> Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one
> those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in f
> a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they
> offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.
>
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>
Starlink is supposed to cure most of the problems with satellite. Latency is
in the 20-30 ms range, and I've seen on Youtube videos where testers were
getting a solid 180mb plus connection. Sure beats the 5mb down, 2 up Hughesnet
with 600-700ms latency.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Arelor on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:29 pm

> Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
> By: Arelor to Nightfox on Tue Jul 12 2022 12:54 pm
>
> >> I'm not sure I'd call optical formats unnecessary.. You can't always
> >> rely on your internet always working 100%, s being available to watch
> >> there. Those are a few of the reasons I still like to buy movies on
> >> physical formats
>
> Ar> The idea that everybody has fibre and therefore DVDs are not needed is
> Ar> very first worlder.
>
> Ar> It takes me hours to download a Linux or BSD iso image from home.
> Ar> Meanwhile, picking a DVD I got from Linux Magazine takes virtually no
> Ar> time.
>
> You're preaching to the chior. I agree.
> What sucks is, the majority of people not buying optical media as much as
> they used to means that optical media isn't produced nearly as much as it
> used to be. There have been a couple movies released on 4K blu-ray that
> seem to be available in other countries but not where I live (I've purchased
> a couple from Amazon that were shipped from the UK).
> Also, some stores in my area have completely removed their DVD and blu-ray
> movie shelves.
> Although I do have high-speed internet, I don't want to rely on streaming
> services all the time to watch movies.
>

I don't mind buying digital if I get to keep the file. I've bought music off Bandcap. When you buy an album off bandcamp, you get to just download a FLAC or MP3 or OGG, which you can then burn to CD if need be, or simply play off whatever computer/player you can put the file on.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to Arelor on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:29 am

> Starlink is supposed to cure most of the problems with satellite. Latency is
> in the 20-30 ms range, and I've seen on Youtube videos where testers were
> getting a solid 180mb plus connection. Sure beats the 5mb down, 2 up Hughesnet
> with 600-700ms latency.
>

I have hopes in Starlink, but so far it is labeled "beta" in my area. Given the nature
of my job I cannto afford to use something which the provider has not much faith for
at the moment.

I am currently negotiating with a local WISP which may increase my bandwidth to 100
megs. However they are still pending the licenses for deploying the new antennas. It
sucks because they are gonna be deploying that thing just for me and my family, and
therefore it is going to be expensive, but it will still be cheaper than rhe
equivalent Starlink and it comes with contractual guarantees regarding the uptime of
the service.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:28 pm

> I don't know what that is.. I just think it's more reliable to have my own
> copy of something. I don't think I'm attached to the things - I could also
> keep a copy of that stuff on a hard drive somewhere or on my Plex media
> server and I'd be happy with that.
>
> Nightfox

Sony have removed several movies from their digital store along with any
ability for the user to re-download or stream them. I believe one such film is
The Hunger Games which, even if you purchased it years ago, you will have no
access to it going forward. If this is the reality of digital distribution, I
would prefer to own hard copies of everything that I have paid money for.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:33 pm

An> Sony have removed several movies from their digital store along with any
An> ability for the user to re-download or stream them. I believe one such
An> film is The Hunger Games which, even if you purchased it years ago, you
An> will have no access to it going forward. If this is the reality of digital
An> distribution, I would prefer to own hard copies of everything that I have
An> paid money for.

Yeah, I have never actually bought a movie from a streaming service, and that's one of the reasons why. If I buy something, I like having my own so I can make sure it doesn't go anywhere.

Nightfox

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Arelor to Ogg on Thu Jul 14 2022 05:44 pm

> Satellite has two problems. First, latency sucks, so if you want to join one
> those streams in which you chat in real time with the streamer, you are in f
> a rough ride. Second, satellite connectivity is too expensive for what they
> offer. Also most plans I could hire here have unworkable data caps.

Expensive, yes, but Starlink has licked the latency problem. And afaik no caps.

o
(O)
BeLLy

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am

>
> I tried to find a service streaming the 1950's film To Hell and Back so my
> nephew could watch it, and we couldn't find a host.

you can download it from me
To Hell and Back 1955 1080p BluRay x264-GUACAMOLE

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay Street Video store n Toronto thrives
By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Wed Jul 13 2022 03:32 pm

> Another thing is that I feel like there are many separate streaming services
> now, and if I have to pay around $6 for each service, that adds up. If
> there's only one show I'd watch on their service, I'm not sure if it would
> be really worth it.
>
> I wonder how that compares to the cost of monthly subscriptions for
> streaming services you'd pay each month.
>
> Nightfox

They've increased the prices in the UK to around 10 USD per service. I pay 19
USD for my subscriptions per month. I remember being a Blockbuster member back
in the day and continually renting DVDs... I suppose that cost me much the same
as my current subscriptions.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: MRO to Moondog on Thu Jul 14 2022 10:29 am

> do you need a movie forever? i don't.
> i have favorite movies but i dont watch them every year.

I threw out most of my old DVDs years ago but kept some of the classics such as
the original Star Wars Trilogy along with around 10 other movies that I didn't
want to part with. I obviously haven't used the discs becuase most of those
movies, along with Star Wars, are on either Netflix or Disney+. They are there
just incase the internet goes down.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Thu Jul 14 2022 04:01 pm

> Despite the fact that cable has gone up, paying for all of the streaming
> services in order to get what I want to watch would be more expensive.
> Now, some OTA networks are debuting shows straight to their streaming
> service.
> :(

I like to rotate between streaming services. I'll sign up with one for 2-3
months, watch a lot of the box sets and movies I want to see then move onto the
next one for 2-3 months. I have had 2/3 services being paid for concurrently
but it's a waste of money as I don't watch as much TV as most of the
population.

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Re: "Highly profitable" Bay S
By: Moondog to MRO on Fri Jul 15 2022 02:25 am

> Some films or shows I like to collect because they are not available online
> or demand you to pay for each episode. I don't like the idea of "buying" a
> virtual copy, then have the service go out of business or pull that tile
> from it's library.
>
> On VHS I have the original Star Wars trilogy from before Lucas
> digitally "enhanced" the series, and did stupid things like making Greedo
> shoot first.

I had hundreds of VHS tapes but they all went into the trash because there was
no way to really use them now that video recorders are completely archaic and
rare to see. I cannot remember how long it has been since I saw an old VHS
recorder. The one my parents had was put into storage but eventually disposed
of because we had amassed a huge DVD collection. I now see that DVDs are going
the same way as VHS tapes. I have limited room so I am unable to have too many
vintage devices around. It's a shame because I would love to preserve some more
old tech.

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