Re: Re: going to war
By: MRO to Xanth on Thu Nov 16 2023 12:40 pm

Oh no. 'woke' in quotes.

https://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpeg

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>timers were when we joined. This is not a life for someone who has fragile emot
>ons and fortunately initial training weeds most of that type out. What is left
>s people that, over time, can be molded into soldiers that anyone could be prou
> of. They are instilled with something called Army Values: Loyalty, Duty, Respe
>t, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, and Personal Courage. These values and t
>e constant barage of institutional thinking helps to turn those jelly-like mind
> into something like what you might want representing you overseas.

Thanks for your input. This is very good to know, and thank you for your
service!

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Re: Re: going to war
By: Nopants to MRO on Thu Nov 16 2023 05:06 pm

> Re: Re: going to war
> By: MRO to Xanth on Thu Nov 16 2023 12:40 pm
>
> Oh no. 'woke' in quotes.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/91sn32Q.jpeg

we're all old here, motherfucker.

go dye your hair purple and think up a new gender to be today.
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Re: Re: going to war
By: MRO to Nopants on Fri Nov 17 2023 09:22 am

You don't need purple hair to 'think', silly.

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We> Our military doesn't need to be woke it needs to be kicking
We> ass.

pF> Assuming it can't be both?

We> It's hard to be a warrior when you're worried about hurting someone's
We> tender little feelings

pF> That feels like a bit of a stretch.

pF> ... The answers will be found in the logs.

I find myself wondering just how long YOU served...

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MR> Re: Re: going to war
MR> By: Weatherman to Arelor on Mon Nov 13 2023 02:27 am

> One major problem the military is having is FINDING physically fit
> recruits. The military now even has a program wherein hopeful recruits
> engage in a physical fitness program to prepare them for basic military
> training. A boot camp boot camp, in other terms. Never would have thought
> such a thing even possible back when I first enlisted....
>
>

MR> according to the armed forces, that is not the major problem.
MR> https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2023/09/30/military-recru
MR> iting-desantis-woke-abortion-health-waiver-jobs-politifact/#:~:text=%E2%
MR> 80%9CThe%20residual%20effects%20of%20the,recruiting%20challenges%2C%E2%8
MR> 0%9D%20Schwegman%20said.

MR> https://tinyurl.com/bddthx92
MR> ---
Lifted this directly from the article you referenced:

"Military officials and experts have cited reasons such as low unemployment,
families advising against joining, and a shrinking pool of Americans fit to
serve âÇö not diversity and inclusion efforts.

Recent numbers suggest that 77% of young Americans wouldnâÇÖt be eligible to
serve without first getting a waiver. Top reasons people are determined to be
ineligible include failing entrance exams or common health concerns such as
obesity and mental illness. Prior criminal activity, including drug abuse, is
also a barrier."

That passage pretty well supports what I said in that ONE major problem the
military is having is finding physically fit recruits... since your article
states that 77% of young Americans are unfit and that AMONG those disqualifying
faults are health concerns like obesity and mental illness I restate my
assertion.... Young Americans are increasingly unfit, physically and mentally,
to serve this country.

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> Assuming it can't be both?

Ar> Let's say that if your army has inner psychological conflicts then you
Ar> are in abad spot if the other side has no inner psychological conflict
Ar> because Allah has commanded them to kill 'em all faggots.

pF> I don't think that any modern sensibilities will impact one's ability
pF> to defend oneself when someone's shooting at them.

pF> ... DESQview/386 - the only way to multitask!

Pointdexter, are you REALLY so sure of that? What about THIS guy?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-york-daily-news-journalist-firing-an-ar-15-gave-me-ptsd

Also, it's damned hard to shoot back at someone when you haven't the basic
knowledge of how to operate a firearm, or how to react under stress. These are
skills that are learned through training and practice. If a person so
afflicted with "modern sensibilities" that they are absolutely anti-gun, they
will never have the skills and training when the time comes to actually defend
themselves.

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Re: Re: going to war
By: Nopants to MRO on Fri Nov 17 2023 06:05 pm

> Re: Re: going to war
> By: MRO to Nopants on Fri Nov 17 2023 09:22 am
>
> You don't need purple hair to 'think', silly.

let me know if you need help on learning to quote, or you can
ask you wife's boyfriend when you are done playing with your action figures, fgt.
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Re: Re: going to war
By: Weatherman to MRO on Sat Nov 18 2023 01:38 am

> That passage pretty well supports what I said in that ONE major problem the
> military is having is finding physically fit recruits... since your article
> states that 77% of young Americans are unfit and that AMONG those
> disqualifying faults are health concerns like obesity and mental illness I
> restate my assertion.... Young Americans are increasingly unfit, physically
> and mentally, to serve this country.
>

most of young people won't even sign up.
everyone else is the bottom of the barrel.
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Re: Re: going to war
By: Weatherman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov 18 2023 01:44 am

> pF> ... DESQview/386 - the only way to multitask!
>
> Pointdexter, are you REALLY so sure of that? What about THIS guy?
>
> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-york-daily-news-journalist-firing-an-
> ar- 15-gave-me-ptsd
>
> Also, it's damned hard to shoot back at someone when you haven't the basic
> knowledge of how to operate a firearm, or how to react under stress. These
> are skills that are learned through training and practice. If a person so
> afflicted with "modern sensibilities" that they are absolutely anti-gun,

that's hillarious that he's comparing a rifle with a bomb.
really sad. i hope he was lying about his experience.

I'm pretty sure I started shooting rifles when i was 11 years old.
Later on i used to go shooting with my friend and his dad and i'd use his russian sniper rifle. I was a crack shot even though my eyesight sucks.
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MR> I'm pretty sure I started shooting rifles when i was 11 years
MR> old. Later on i used to go shooting with my friend and his dad
MR> and i'd use his russian sniper rifle. I was a crack shot even
MR> though my eyesight sucks.

Nope. I call "bullshit". You're not a "crack shot" if your eyesight
sucks. Your lie there shows that you actually know NOTHING about
precision shooting, or even shooting in general.

What was the name/model of this "russian sniper rifle"? What caliber
was it? What kind of scope did it have?

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-=> Nopants wrote to MRO <=-

No> Oh no. 'woke' in quotes.

I so enjoy seeing people who accuse others of wokeness trying to define
"woke". Without a circular reference, that is.

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We> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-york-daily-news-journalist-firing
We> -an-ar-15-gave-me-ptsd

We> Also, it's damned hard to shoot back at someone when you haven't the
We> basic knowledge of how to operate a firearm, or how to react under
We> stress. These are skills that are learned through training and
We> practice. If a person so afflicted with "modern sensibilities" that
We> they are absolutely anti-gun, they will never have the skills and
We> training when the time comes to actually defend themselves.

If we're fielding an army of untrained millenials, then I suppose your
argument has merit. We were talking about a modern army that
conducts the same training, practice and discipline as usual but
includes awareness of what some would consider "woke" and your
argument makes no sense.

Watch General Milley's testimony in June 2021.

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pF> That feels like a bit of a stretch.

We> I find myself wondering just how long YOU served...

Oh, come on - I've seen you on the boards for years. you're better at
this than that!

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Re: Re: going to war
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sat Nov 18 2023 09:11 am

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>
> MR> I'm pretty sure I started shooting rifles when i was 11 years
> MR> old. Later on i used to go shooting with my friend and his dad
> MR> and i'd use his russian sniper rifle. I was a crack shot even
> MR> though my eyesight sucks.
>
> Nope. I call "bullshit". You're not a "crack shot" if your eyesight
> sucks. Your lie there shows that you actually know NOTHING about
> precision shooting, or even shooting in general.
>
> What was the name/model of this "russian sniper rifle"? What caliber
> was it? What kind of scope did it have?
>

dunno dude, it was decades ago. and i was a little kid. maybe i was just lucky or maybe i just had a knack. I was good at shooting the 22 rifles when i was at camp too.

it was at a shooting range in my home town.

i got no reason to lie.
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MR> Re: Re: going to war
MR> By: Gamgee to MRO on Sat Nov 18 2023 09:11 am

> -=> MRO wrote to Weatherman <=-

> MR> I'm pretty sure I started shooting rifles when i was 11 years
> MR> old. Later on i used to go shooting with my friend and his dad
> MR> and i'd use his russian sniper rifle. I was a crack shot even
> MR> though my eyesight sucks.

> Nope. I call "bullshit". You're not a "crack shot" if your eyesight
> sucks. Your lie there shows that you actually know NOTHING about
> precision shooting, or even shooting in general.
>
> What was the name/model of this "russian sniper rifle"? What caliber
> was it? What kind of scope did it have?

MR> dunno dude, it was decades ago. and i was a little kid. maybe i
MR> was just lucky or maybe i just had a knack.

Or maybe you're just a lying bullshitter.

MR> it was at a shooting range in my home town.

That's nice, and irrelevant.

MR> i got no reason to lie.

And yet, you do anyway.

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MR> By: Weatherman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Nov 18 2023 01:44 am
>
> Pointdexter, are you REALLY so sure of that? What about THIS guy?
>
> https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/new-york-daily-news-journalist-firing-an-
> ar- 15-gave-me-ptsd
>
> Also, it's damned hard to shoot back at someone when you haven't the basic
> knowledge of how to operate a firearm, or how to react under stress. These
> are skills that are learned through training and practice. If a person so
> afflicted with "modern sensibilities" that they are absolutely anti-gun,

MR> that's hillarious that he's comparing a rifle with a bomb.
MR> really sad. i hope he was lying about his experience.

MR> I'm pretty sure I started shooting rifles when i was 11 years old.
MR> Later on i used to go shooting with my friend and his dad and i'd use
MR> his russian sniper rifle. I was a crack shot even though my eyesight
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I started shooting as a youngster with my cousins. They had a place outside
of town and "back in the day" even in New York you could shoot on your own
property without having the Sherrif come out and ask you what the hell you're
doing. Mostly .22 and 20 and 12 gauge. I got good enough to at least qualify
as Expert (no mean feat for sure) in basic training.
Russian sniper rifle immediately brings to mind the Mosin-Nagant. I've got
two of those bad boys, one rifle length the other carbine length. That 7.62 x
54mm round sure is stout!

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We> Also, it's damned hard to shoot back at someone when you haven't the
We> basic knowledge of how to operate a firearm, or how to react under
We> stress. These are skills that are learned through training and
We> practice. If a person so afflicted with "modern sensibilities" that
We> they are absolutely anti-gun, they will never have the skills and
We> training when the time comes to actually defend themselves.

pF> If we're fielding an army of untrained millenials, then I suppose your
pF> argument has merit. We were talking about a modern army that
pF> conducts the same training, practice and discipline as usual but
pF> includes awareness of what some would consider "woke" and your
pF> argument makes no sense.

pF> Watch General Milley's testimony in June 2021.

Well now, I guess that's the question then, isn't it? Are today's troops
REALLY undergoing the same training, practice and discipline as in earlier
times? When I served our primary adversaries were political in nature, the
Soviet Union and China being the top two. Our chief adversaries (based on the
observation of current events) NOW are opponents who oppose us based on
religion - a religion practiced by several hundred thousand members of our own
military. Where we were trained to think of our opponent as being
fundamentally opposed to the "American way of life" and intent on making
Communism the primary political/economic system of the world, how do you train
someone to consider religious foes to be fundamentally opposed to the American
way of life when the American way of life is BASED ON THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION?!
I, as an agnostic who knows little about practising Islam, am supposed to
consider the Muslim on the other side of the street evil and diametrically
opposed to my basic way of life, but the Muslim standing next to me serving on
my team is supposed to be considered a trusted ally?

No, I stand pat on the belief that wokeism and military duty are completely
incompatable with each other. Our military has become LESS effective as a
fighting force, partly because of diversity and inclusion training. Instead of
spending time on the rifle range our soldiers are being taught to respect
gender fluidity. Our only, and I mean ONLY, advantage at this point is
technical in nature. We have superior technology, superior technologists and
that is where the line is drawn. If you remove the push-button capability of
our military we are worse off today than in the 1980s and I would dare say that
the fighting force of the 1950s and 1960s were even better warriors than in the
1980s. Our military has been in decline for decades. The only thing saving
our bacon is our science.

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pF> That feels like a bit of a stretch.

We> I find myself wondering just how long YOU served...

pF> Oh, come on - I've seen you on the boards for years. you're better at
pF> this than that!

And yet... still unanswered is the question... For how long have YOU served in
the military?

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No> Re: Re: going to war
No> By: MRO to Nopants on Fri Nov 17 2023 09:22 am

No> You don't need purple hair to 'think', silly.

But having it doesn't help!

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MR> I'm pretty sure I started shooting rifles when i was 11 years
MR> old. Later on i used to go shooting with my friend and his dad
MR> and i'd use his russian sniper rifle. I was a crack shot even
MR> though my eyesight sucks.

Ga> Nope. I call "bullshit". You're not a "crack shot" if your eyesight
Ga> sucks. Your lie there shows that you actually know NOTHING about
Ga> precision shooting, or even shooting in general.

Ga> What was the name/model of this "russian sniper rifle"? What caliber
Ga> was it? What kind of scope did it have?

Ga> ... Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Gamgee, MY eyesight isn't what it was, and I assure you it hasn't affected my
ability to shoot. I have these things called "eyeglasses" that correct my
failing vision. Amazing things, they actually make things that normally are
unfocused appear to be well-defined and clear to my vision!

Regarding the "Russian sniper rifle" my money is on a Mosin-Nagant chambered in
7.52x54mmR. It would be a prize indeed if it actually had an original Soviet
long eye-relief scope on it, but I'd doubt it. There ARE kits available for
mounting scopes in place of the rear sight of the Mosin-Nagant. I have one,
but haven't mounted it yet. Now that I have two Mosin-Nagants I figure the
time is right to do that.

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No> Oh no. 'woke' in quotes.

pF> I so enjoy seeing people who accuse others of wokeness trying to define
pF> "woke". Without a circular reference, that is.

"Woke" - adj. To observe social justice causes in the interest of presenting
the appearance of superior social morality rather than out of any actual moral
imperitive.

Example. The woke white American will petition, protest and insist that
American sports franchises remove mascots of various ethnic inspiration, such
as the American Indian, while the Native American Guardian Association (a
Native American organization) then needs to file a lawsuit petitioning the
restoration of said mascots and team names, citing the fact that the original
team name and mascot actually HONORED said ethnic group.

The practice of wokeism would mimic the act of factions like the Taliban and
remove statues, paintings and images of Confederate military leaders rather
than to use those images to educate people about the nature of the conflict and
those involved on both sides. The woke would demonize those who served in the
Confederacy rather than to recognize the fact that by far most soldiers of the
South did not own slaves, and many were actually opposed to slavery.

The woke would rather silence and remove opposing viewpoints rather than to
accept that the opposing view may be based in and on its own validity. Rather
than accept the fact that the parents of a school aged daughter oppose the
sharing of locker rooms and bathrooms with biological males who "identify as
female" the woke would have the FBI target those parents as "domestic
terrorists" and have those parents put on terrorist watch lists.

So I don't know, pondexter.. Do you see any circular references up there? I
think I did a pretty decent job of describing exactly what wokeness mean to me
- and to those in my particular social circle. OOOPS!!! Damn. There's that
dreaded circular reference! Shit man... I guess I failed on THAT one....

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Re: Re: going to war
By: Gamgee to MRO on Sat Nov 18 2023 09:26 pm

>
> MR> dunno dude, it was decades ago. and i was a little kid. maybe i
> MR> was just lucky or maybe i just had a knack.
>
> Or maybe you're just a lying bullshitter.

That's a weird thing to lie about. Do you lie all the time
and think that other people do? I think your compass is warped.

Is shooting an old rifle well when i'm a kid supposed to gain the admiration of everyone here?

> MR> it was at a shooting range in my home town.
>
> That's nice, and irrelevant.

How is it irrelevant when it's relevant to what happened? do you know what irrelevant means?

> MR> i got no reason to lie.
>
> And yet, you do anyway.

Maybe you are just jealous of early teens me.
I have more bad news for you. I also played basketball and soccer quite well!

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Re: Re: going to war
By: Weatherman to MRO on Sun Nov 19 2023 01:19 am

>
> Russian sniper rifle immediately brings to mind the Mosin-Nagant. I've got
> two of those bad boys, one rifle length the other carbine length. That 7.62
> x 54mm round sure is stout!
>

it was the first one i ever shot that had a sight. thankfully my friend's dad was nice enough to tell me not to press my eye up against it. he would have had a laugh and i'd have a nice black eye.
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Re: Re: going to war
By: Weatherman to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Nov 19 2023 01:40 am

> pF> includes awareness of what some would consider "woke" and your
> pF> argument makes no sense.
>
> pF> Watch General Milley's testimony in June 2021.
>
> Well now, I guess that's the question then, isn't it? Are today's troops
> REALLY undergoing the same training, practice and discipline as in earlier
> times? When I served our primary adversaries were political in nature, the
> Soviet Union and China being the top two. Our chief adversaries (based on

Well i heard they aren't allowed to yell at them anymore. and hazing has
been cut back. i don't believe that.

Also, i saw videos of some people in bootcamp just existing and refusing orders
and it was taking forever to separate them.
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