I still use the old bible(1) program to search for phrases I remember (but
can't remember chapter and verse).

There's also fortune(1), whose data files include reference to
the package for bible(1).

(knghtbrd)
% > >I don't really regard bible-kjv-text as a technical document,
> > but... :)

> It's a manual -- for living.

But it hasn't been updated in a long time, many would say that it's
sadly out of date, and the upstream maintainer doesn't respond to his
email. :-)
-- Branden Robinson, Oliver Elphick, and Chris Waters in a
message to debian-policy
%

$ bible
bible: Debian/BRS Release 4.36
Hit '?' for help.

Genesis 1

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ?
bible: Debian/BRS Release 4.36

-Bible verse specifications:
Verses may be specified using various standard abbreviations and
notations, including both single verses and verse ranges.
E.g. Jn3:16, jn3:16,17 ps1:1-6
Partial specs are interpreted in the context of the previous verse.
E.g. "Rev3:20" followed by "15" prints Rev3:15.
-Concordance (word search) commands:
??word Find all verses containing "word".
Creates a "ref list" for subsequent use.
?list List the references in ref list. (abbrev ?l)
?view View text of verses in ref list. (abbrev ?v)
?and word Combine ref list w/MATCHING refs for "word". (abbrev ?
a)
?or word Combine ref list w/ALL refs for "word". (abbrev ?o)
?in <verse range> Limit ref list to range of verses.
?in all Reset ref list limit.
To get a list of refs, each containing multiple words, start with:
??word for the first word, followed by
?and word for each following word.The order of the words doesn't
matter.
-A few miscellaneous program control commands.
?, ?h, ?help -- Prints this help text.
<, > -- Change direction through text.
?w file -- Begin writing (appending) output to
"file".
?w -- Stop writing output to a file.
?f -- Toggles output formatting modes.
q, ?bye, ?exit, ?quit, ?q -- End this program.
Note that a blank line will advance one verse in current direction.
bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]>

--
-v

Here is a good resource, with useful good cross-referencing:

<https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/>

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 04:48:35 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote in <uqc7v2$1c4vk$1@dont-email.me>:

> Here is a good resource, with useful good cross-referencing:
>
> <https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/>

That's handy. :)

--
-v

On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> Here is a good resource, with useful good cross-referencing:
>
><https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/>

And here's the drivel from the "skeptics."

In the beginning was the Word. (v.1)

This verse doesn't come right out and say who "the word" is, but all
Christians believe it's referring to Jesus. They disagree about what it's
saying about Jesus, however. Is Jesus God? The Son of God? A godlike man?
Or what?

For example, Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that Jesus was God. But
how could Jesus be with God in the beginning as this verse says, if, as
the Watchtower teaches, Jesus was created by God? And how could Jesus be
"a god" and yet be with God during the creation, if God was speaking
truthfully in Dt 32:39 when he said, "there are no gods with me"?

Is Jesus God?

Who created heaven and earth?

What is Jesus H. Christ's real name?

Not all Christian denominations believe "The Word" refers to Christ,
some are silly enough to think it refers to the Bible.

If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity. It's dogmatic
teaching for Catholics — what heretics and the misguided teach on the
subject is immaterial to me. The Bible wasn't written by heretics (though it
has been mistranslated by them).

God is One in Three Persons. Father, Son and Holy Ghost. All three Persons
are fully God. Christ is the Son of God, who became God Incarnate (in the
flesh), fully Man and fully God. The human mind can not fully comprehend the
Mysteries, but if you believe in God you accept them by faith and humble
yourself. If you're not a Christian, why do you care?

As for the Jehovah's Witnesses and their writing in the Watchtower...
they're seriously confused. (Maybe this is an anti-Jehovah Witness website,
they seem to fixate on what Jehovah's Witnesses teach.)

Responding to the last three questions...

Jesus is fully God and fully Man. "I am who am." (The Mysteries of
the Incarnation and the Trinity.)

God (in Three Persons) created the heavens and the earth. "Let us make man in
Our Own Image." (plural)

The name of Jesus is... Jesus ("Jehovah is salvation"). His title is Christ,
from the Greek "Christos" (equivalent of Messiah, i.e., the Anointed).

For more information read St. Thomas Aquinas. For bite-sized explanations of
the Trinity and Jesus Christ, these links may help...

https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/trinity

https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/jesus-christ

Or you can stick with the "Skeptic's Bible" and remain ignorant of what
Christianity teaches. Your choice. The "skeptics" who wrote the comments in
the "Skeptic's Bible" seem to be more interested in displaying their own
ignorance then anything else. (Maybe it's their way of humbling themselves?)

Even if you're not really interested in Christianity you should at least
know what Christians teach before attempting to lecture to them on their
religion.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com>
wrote in <uqd4i5$1gg2s$1@dont-email.me>:

> On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> Here is a good resource, with useful good cross-referencing:
>>
>><https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/>
>
> And here's the drivel from the "skeptics."
>
> In the beginning was the Word. (v.1)
>
> This verse doesn't come right out and say who "the word" is, but all
> Christians believe it's referring to Jesus. They disagree about what
> it's saying about Jesus, however. Is Jesus God? The Son of God? A
> godlike man?
> Or what?
>
> For example, Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe that Jesus was God.
> But how could Jesus be with God in the beginning as this verse says,
> if, as the Watchtower teaches, Jesus was created by God? And how
> could Jesus be "a god" and yet be with God during the creation, if
> God was speaking truthfully in Dt 32:39 when he said, "there are no
> gods with me"?
>
> Is Jesus God?
>
> Who created heaven and earth?
>
> What is Jesus H. Christ's real name?
>
> Not all Christian denominations believe "The Word" refers to Christ,
> some are silly enough to think it refers to the Bible.

The word is "Logos", and associating it with God
was first recorded by Heraclitus, c. 500BCE. While
there is controversy, it's generally-accepted to refer to
"the Divine Order".

The fourth Gospel tries to make it about Jesus.

But to whom is the Lord's Prayer addressed?

And to what god was the altar on Mars Hill when Paul
gave his address there?

The only reason people give the fourth Gospel any
credence is that it is their own scripture...with a full
army of Christian apologeticists to (try to) back
it up.

But this doesn't have anything to do with the bible(1)
program:

bible(KJV) [Ac17:26]> ??mars
Searching for 'mars'... [1 ref]
bible(KJV) [Ac17:26]> ?view
Viewing References [1]:
22 Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I
perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
bible(KJV) [Ac17:22]>
23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this
inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him
declare I unto you.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

Paul was a bit cheeky, don't you think?

--
-v

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

>I still use the old bible(1) program to search for phrases I remember (but
>can't remember chapter and verse).

It's incredible how people cling to the Bible as if I'm just an
aberration, and Jesus didn't literally state unequivocally that Yahweh
gives me his "seal of approval". Dumb white monkey-ass retards.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

vallor wrote:
> I still use the old bible(1) program to search for phrases I remember (but
> can't remember chapter and verse).
>
> There's also fortune(1), whose data files include reference to
> the package for bible(1).
>
> (knghtbrd)
> %
>> >I don't really regard bible-kjv-text as a technical document,
>> > but... :)
>
>> It's a manual -- for living.
>
> But it hasn't been updated in a long time, many would say that it's
> sadly out of date, and the upstream maintainer doesn't respond to his
> email. :-)
> -- Branden Robinson, Oliver Elphick, and Chris Waters in a
> message to debian-policy
> %
>
> $ bible
> bible: Debian/BRS Release 4.36
> Hit '?' for help.
>
> Genesis 1
>
> 1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
> bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]> ?
> bible: Debian/BRS Release 4.36
>
> -Bible verse specifications:
> Verses may be specified using various standard abbreviations and
> notations, including both single verses and verse ranges.
> E.g. Jn3:16, jn3:16,17 ps1:1-6
> Partial specs are interpreted in the context of the previous verse.
> E.g. "Rev3:20" followed by "15" prints Rev3:15.
> -Concordance (word search) commands:
> ??word Find all verses containing "word".
> Creates a "ref list" for subsequent use.
> ?list List the references in ref list. (abbrev ?l)
> ?view View text of verses in ref list. (abbrev ?v)
> ?and word Combine ref list w/MATCHING refs for "word". (abbrev ?
> a)
> ?or word Combine ref list w/ALL refs for "word". (abbrev ?o)
> ?in <verse range> Limit ref list to range of verses.
> ?in all Reset ref list limit.
> To get a list of refs, each containing multiple words, start with:
> ??word for the first word, followed by
> ?and word for each following word.The order of the words doesn't
> matter.
> -A few miscellaneous program control commands.
> ?, ?h, ?help -- Prints this help text.
> <, > -- Change direction through text.
> ?w file -- Begin writing (appending) output to
> "file".
> ?w -- Stop writing output to a file.
> ?f -- Toggles output formatting modes.
> q, ?bye, ?exit, ?quit, ?q -- End this program.
> Note that a blank line will advance one verse in current direction.
> bible(KJV) [Gen1:1]>
>
all these %'s were not made by the real %

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.

.... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 09:56:17 -0700, % wrote:

> all these %'s were not made by the real %

Every believer says their sky fairy is the only true sky fairy, all the
other sky fairies are false.

They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right on the
second.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
>
>... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.

Ron is showing his gross ignorance of Christianity by defaulting to
Catholicism, an abomination before God. Roman Catholicism at its
extreme claims unique divine authority alongside the Orthodox, when in
reality they are a crying shame for the Lord, in many respects, not to
discount their charitable works, not to say that individual believers
and clergy are bad people, but the hierarchy of the RCC is morally
bankrupt, and cannot take a position within genuine Christendom. I
have no problem with the individual Catholic believer or priest/nun,
they are generally Christians to me, but I violently oppose the Papacy
and hierarchy.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:23:32 -0500, Joel wrote:

> Ron is showing his gross ignorance of Christianity by defaulting to
> Catholicism, an abomination before God.

Which of the three-gods-who-are-supposed-to-be-one-god, though?

None of Christian doctrine makes sense. That’s why they call it a
“Mystery”. Because “Mystery” is secret code for “keep asking awkward
questions, and you will end up burnt at the stake”.

On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
>
> ... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.

True. And your point?

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

>> Ron is showing his gross ignorance of Christianity by defaulting to
>> Catholicism, an abomination before God.
>
>Which of the three-gods-who-are-supposed-to-be-one-god, though?
>
>None of Christian doctrine makes sense. That’s why they call it a
>“Mystery”. Because “Mystery” is secret code for “keep asking awkward
>questions, and you will end up burnt at the stake”.

Luckily, you have me, the Son of Man, with complete theological
knowledge. So, I will begin by answering your question about the
Trinity, it's simply a matter of a soul having more than one spirit,
which is normal for a person as well as God.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
>>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
>>
>> ... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.
>
> True. And your point?

What is the "official" Christianity? :-D

Yeah, that's snark, snowflake.

--
Avoid gunfire in the bathroom tonight.

On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 16:23:32 -0500, Joel wrote:
>
>> Ron is showing his gross ignorance of Christianity by defaulting to
>> Catholicism, an abomination before God.
>
> Which of the three-gods-who-are-supposed-to-be-one-god, though?

Not three gods, One God in Three Persons. You don't want to understand it or
accept it, that's your choice. But Catholics (and most Christians) aren't
confused on this subject.

> None of Christian doctrine makes sense. That’s why they call it a
> “Mystery”. Because “Mystery” is secret code for “keep asking awkward
> questions, and you will end up burnt at the stake”.

All of them. Read St. Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica, he'll explain it to
you.

No. A Mystery in the Catholic Church is admitting that men's minds can't
completely understand the infinite mind of God. Again, read St. Thomas
Aquinas, your off-the-cuff assertions aren't impressing me. I know what I
believe and I am certain — it's called "certitude." You might want to look
that up as well.

Again, accept Christianity or don't. If you're not a Christian why are you
obsessed with Christianity? Kind of like Windows lovers who come to this
newsgroup to whine about Linux. That's their problem not mine. Your hangup
on Christianity is your problem, not mine.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 09:56:17 -0700, % wrote:
>
>> all these %'s were not made by the real %
>
> Every believer says their sky fairy is the only true sky fairy, all the
> other sky fairies are false.

Did your "sky faeries" die for our sins? Did they rise from the dead? Did
they bring the dead back to life? Did they heal the sick? Did they found a
Church built on the Rock of St. Peter? Did they impact the whole world?

When you can answer "yes" to any of these questions, get back to me.

> They can’t all be right on the first point, they can all be right on the
> second.

I don't believe in your sky fairies so I'll have to take your word for
whatever it is you're trying to say. Which "brand" of sky fairies do you
(personally) believe in? "Enquring minds" really don't want to know.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-02-12 4:09 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
>
> ... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.

It is definitely a combination of Roman paganism and Christianity, but
it is Christianity nonetheless. However, I'm of the opinion that the
right form of Christianity is to sit down, read the Holy Bible for
yourself and learn to interpret its message correctly.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:

>What is the "official" Christianity? :-D

There are churches that would qualify for it (more than one type). But
for the right-wingers to discern that, is basically impossible. They
block out my existence as an aberration, they ignore that God does say
I speak for him. It's right there in Jesus' words in the NT. They
pretend that going with conservative socio-religious views is affirmed
by the history of Judeo-Christian religions, and maybe they have a
point, except that homophobia has been an issue in many societies at
innumerable times, and it was inevitable that religion would be
infected with it, despite God and Jesus being gay lovers, essentially.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:

>read the Holy Bible for
>yourself and learn to interpret its message correctly.

You apparently thought that meant to believe that same-sex attractions
are bad, and I know the words are in the Bible in a couple of places,
but it's BS, and you're afraid to even talk to me, when you should, if
you actually believed the Bible, give me authority.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-02-12, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-12, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
>>>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
>>>
>>> ... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.
>>
>> True. And your point?
>
> What is the "official" Christianity? :-D

Catholicism.

> Yeah, that's snark, snowflake.

Nope. It was a simple question, with a simple answer. Reach again for the
snark, this attempt wasn't too impressive.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-02-12, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-02-12 4:09 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
>>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
>>
>> ... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.
>
> It is definitely a combination of Roman paganism and Christianity, but
> it is Christianity nonetheless. However, I'm of the opinion that the
> right form of Christianity is to sit down, read the Holy Bible for
> yourself and learn to interpret its message correctly.

Protestants tried that, that's why there are an untold number of Protestant
sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not
a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not
subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should
be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

Joel wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>
>> What is the "official" Christianity? :-D
>
>
> There are churches that would qualify for it (more than one type). But
> for the right-wingers to discern that, is basically impossible. They
> block out my existence as an aberration, they ignore that God does say
> I speak for him. It's right there in Jesus' words in the NT. They
> pretend that going with conservative socio-religious views is affirmed
> by the history of Judeo-Christian religions, and maybe they have a
> point, except that homophobia has been an issue in many societies at
> innumerable times, and it was inevitable that religion would be
> infected with it, despite God and Jesus being gay lovers, essentially.
>
but you don't care about sex

On 2024-02-13, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-02-12, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-12 4:09 p.m., Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
>>>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
>>>
>>> ... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as “Christians”.
>>
>> It is definitely a combination of Roman paganism and Christianity, but
>> it is Christianity nonetheless. However, I'm of the opinion that the
>> right form of Christianity is to sit down, read the Holy Bible for
>> yourself and learn to interpret its message correctly.
>
> Protestants tried that, that's why there are an untold number of Protestant
> sects. Christ founded a Church that taught with authority as He taught. Not
> a church where out their own interpretations of the Bible. Truth is not
> subjective, it's objective. Catholics wrote the New Testament. They should
> be the ones to interpret it. Christ founded one Church, not many.

From the Preface of the 1582 Rheims New Testament...

They [the Scriptures] were then in Libraries, Monasteries, Colleges,
Churches, in Bishops, Priests, and some other devout principal Laymen's
houses and hands: who used them with fear and reverence, and specially
such parts as pertained to good life and manners, not meddling, but in
pulpit and schools (and that moderately too) with the hard and high
mysteries and places of greater difficulty. The poor plowman, could then
in laboring the ground, sing the hymns and psalms either in known or
unknown languages, as they heard them in the holy Church, though they
could neither read nor know the sense, meaning, and mysteries of the
same. Such holy persons of both sexes, to whom St. Jerome in diverse
Epistles to them, commendeth the reading and meditation of holy
Scriptures, were diligent to search all the godly histories and imitable
examples of chastity, humility, obedience, clemency, poverty, penance,
renouncing the world. They noted specially the places that did breed the
hatred of sin, fear of God's judgment, delight in spiritual cogitations:
they referred themselves in all hard places, to the judgment of the
ancient Fathers and their masters in religion, never presuming to
contend, control, teach or talk of their own sense and fantasy, in deep
questions of divinity. Then the Virgins, did meditate upon the places and
examples of chastity, modesty and demureness: the married,, on conjugal
faith and continency: the parents, how to bring up their children in
faith and fear of God: the Prince, how to rule: the subject, how to obey:
the Priest, how to teach: the people, how to learn.

Then the scholar taught not his master, the sheep controlled not the
Pastor, the young student set not the Doctor to school, nor reproved
their fathers of error and ignorance. Or if any were in those better days
(as in all times of heresy such must needs be) that had itching ears,
tinkling tongues and wits, curious and contentious disputers, hearers,
and talkers rather than doers of God's word: such the Fathers did ever
sharply reprehend, counting them unworthy and unprofitable readers of the
holy Scriptures. St. Jerome in his Epistle to Paulinus, after declaration
that no handicraft is so base, nor liberal science so easy, that can be
had without a master (which St. Augustine also affirmeth, De utilitate
cred. cap. 7.) nor that men presume in any occupation to teach that they
never learned, Only (saith he) the art of Scripture is that which every
man chalengeth: this the chatting old wise, this the doting old man, this
the brabling sophister, thus on every hand, men presume to teach
before they learn it. Again, Some with poise of lofty words devise of
scripture matters among women: othersome (fee upon it) learn of women,
what to teach men, and lest that be not enough, by facility of tongue, or
rather audacity, teach that to others, which they understand never a whit
themselves, to say nothing of such as be of my faculty: who stepping from
secular learning to holy scriptures, and able to tickle the ears of the
multitude with a smooth tale, think all they speak, to be the Law of God.
This he wrote then, when this malady of arrogancy and presumption in
divine matters, was nothing so outrageous as now it is.

G.K. Chesterton wrote that their were strange creatures in the Apocalypse,
but none so strange as its interpreters. (not verbatim)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

% <pursent100@gmail.com> wrote:

>> block out my existence as an aberration, they ignore that God does say
>> I speak for him. It's right there in Jesus' words in the NT. They
>> pretend that going with conservative socio-religious views is affirmed
>> by the history of Judeo-Christian religions, and maybe they have a
>> point, except that homophobia has been an issue in many societies at
>> innumerable times, and it was inevitable that religion would be
>> infected with it, despite God and Jesus being gay lovers, essentially.
>>
>but you don't care about sex

You are reading something other than that into what I say, apparently.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 21:09:51 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 12:56:37 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> If you really want to know what Christians teach, check out a Catholic
>> catechism and read its teaching on the Mystery of the Trinity.
>
> ... except some “Christians” don’t consider the Catholics as
> “Christians”.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.