On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
>>>>> IMO.
>>>>
>>>> NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
>>>> dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
>>>> a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
>>>> warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
>>>> foreign entanglements was.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
>>> conquer other countries.
>>>
>>> What a stew the world is.
>>
>> So, is this your way of excusing U.S. actions in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran,
>> Serbia, Viet Nam, etc.?
>>
>> A shrug of the shoulders and "oh well?"
>>
>> We have over 800 military bases all over the world. Time for us to become
>> the U.S. and not a world empire in rapid decline.
>
> Way too simplistic.

In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
military bases all over the world?

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who started it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>>>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>>>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>>>>> coup.)
>>>>>
>>>>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>>>>
>>>> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.
>>>
>>> I was referring to Tucks.
>>
>> I was referring to Nuland and the CIA coup she supported that started this
>> war in Ukraine.
>
> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?

Putin came in to protect the Russians in Ukraine, who were being shelled
(tens of thousands, mostly civilian, died in those eight years). For eight
years AFTER the lying piles of shit in Ukraine, France and Germany signed
the Minsk Agreements, Putin tried to get them to keep their word and give
limited autonomy to the Donbass region (as agreed). Last year all three of
the leaders of those countries admitted that they lied through their teeth
and never intended to uphold the agreements they signed. They did it to buy
time to build up Ukraine's armed forces.

NATO in Ukraine was a red line for Russia. Russia warned us many times.
Putin doesn't lie about these things. He told us not to go there. Would we
put up with Russia building up Mexico to threaten the United States?

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

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> On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who started it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>>>>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>>>>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>>>>>> coup.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>>>>>
>>>>> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.
>>>>
>>>> I was referring to Tucks.
>>>
>>> I was referring to Nuland and the CIA coup she supported that started this
>>> war in Ukraine.
>>
>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>
> Putin came in to protect the Russians in Ukraine,

:-D

> who were being shelled
> (tens of thousands, mostly civilian, died in those eight years). For eight
> years AFTER the lying piles of shit in Ukraine, France and Germany signed
> the Minsk Agreements, Putin tried to get them to keep their word and give
> limited autonomy to the Donbass region (as agreed). Last year all three of
> the leaders of those countries admitted that they lied through their teeth
> and never intended to uphold the agreements they signed. They did it to buy
> time to build up Ukraine's armed forces.
>
> NATO in Ukraine was a red line for Russia. Russia warned us many times.
> Putin doesn't lie about these things. He told us not to go there. Would we
> put up with Russia building up Mexico to threaten the United States?

So we'd go in and start bombing Mexico?

--
The better part of valor is discretion.
-- William Shakespeare, "Henry IV"

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
> military bases all over the world?

The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
take long to get around that poorly written clause.

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?

Are you really that out of touch?

On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>>>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who started it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>>>>>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>>>>>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>>>>>>> coup.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was referring to Tucks.
>>>>
>>>> I was referring to Nuland and the CIA coup she supported that started this
>>>> war in Ukraine.
>>>
>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>
>> Putin came in to protect the Russians in Ukraine,
>
> :-D
>
>> who were being shelled
>> (tens of thousands, mostly civilian, died in those eight years). For eight
>> years AFTER the lying piles of shit in Ukraine, France and Germany signed
>> the Minsk Agreements, Putin tried to get them to keep their word and give
>> limited autonomy to the Donbass region (as agreed). Last year all three of
>> the leaders of those countries admitted that they lied through their teeth
>> and never intended to uphold the agreements they signed. They did it to buy
>> time to build up Ukraine's armed forces.
>>
>> NATO in Ukraine was a red line for Russia. Russia warned us many times.
>> Putin doesn't lie about these things. He told us not to go there. Would we
>> put up with Russia building up Mexico to threaten the United States?
>
> So we'd go in and start bombing Mexico?

We would if Russia started supplying missiles to Mexico. If you think we
wouldn't then you're extremely naive or purposely obtuse.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>
>> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
>> military bases all over the world?
>
> The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
> take long to get around that poorly written clause.

Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
bases all over the world.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>
> Are you really that out of touch?

Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
truth of the situation.

The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 13:24:46 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> So we'd go in and start bombing Mexico?

There certainly is precedent for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition

On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:18:36 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>> So we'd go in and start bombing Mexico?
>
> We would if Russia started supplying missiles to Mexico. If you think we
> wouldn't then you're extremely naive or purposely obtuse.

I'm old enough to remember some tense moments when the USSR placed
missiles in Cuba.

On 2024-02-11, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 23:18:36 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-10, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>>> So we'd go in and start bombing Mexico?
>>
>> We would if Russia started supplying missiles to Mexico. If you think we
>> wouldn't then you're extremely naive or purposely obtuse.
>
> I'm old enough to remember some tense moments when the USSR placed
> missiles in Cuba.

I remember it, but I was still pretty young. So it didn't mean a lot to me.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted un-reality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
>>> military bases all over the world?
>>
>> The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
>> take long to get around that poorly written clause.
>
> Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
> bases all over the world.

Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
presence.

--
Patch griefs with proverbs.
-- William Shakespeare, "Much Ado About Nothing"

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>
>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>
>> Are you really that out of touch?
>
> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
> truth of the situation.
>
> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.

You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.

--
"... all the modern inconveniences ..."
-- Mark Twain

On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
>>>> military bases all over the world?
>>>
>>> The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
>>> take long to get around that poorly written clause.
>>
>> Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
>> bases all over the world.
>
> Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
> presence.

Sure there are. Name one or two of these alleged "reasons." Keep in mind
that's it not our business to rule the world and prop up the Petro-dollar
with coups and influence peddling.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>
>>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>>
>>> Are you really that out of touch?
>>
>> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
>> truth of the situation.
>>
>> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.
>
> You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.

That's you smarmy way of saying you don't like to be called out for your
vapid, fact-free bullshit.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Saturday, February 10, 2024 at 12:43:28 AM UTC-5, RonB wrote:
> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFee...@teleworm.us> wrote:
> > rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
> >
> >> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:
> >>
> >>> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
> >>> IMO.
> >>
> >> NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
> >> dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
> >> a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
> >> warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
> >> foreign entanglements was.
> >
> > On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
> > conquer other countries.
> >
> > What a stew the world is.
> So, is this your way of excusing U.S. actions in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran,
> Serbia, Viet Nam, etc.?
>
> A shrug of the shoulders and "oh well?"
>
> We have over 800 military bases all over the world. Time for us to become
> the U.S. and not a world empire in rapid decline.

Better say upfront that you’re willing to pay 2x more for all your personal purchases.

Because if you won’t/can’t, you’re hypocritically trying to have your cake & eat it too.

-hh

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 07:25:07 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
> presence.

Such as? I can see a few troops to protect embassies although Obama and
Clinton manage to fuck Libya up completely.

RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
>>>>> military bases all over the world?
>>>>
>>>> The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
>>>> take long to get around that poorly written clause.
>>>
>>> Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
>>> bases all over the world.
>>
>> Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
>> presence.
>
> Sure there are. Name one or two of these alleged "reasons." Keep in mind
> that's it not our business to rule the world and prop up the Petro-dollar
> with coups and influence peddling.

I agree with that last statement, heartily.

Here follows the stuff I think is valid and good for a certain amount of
American military presence around the world.

Protecting our homeland. Defend our national interests (yeah, some are not
so good). Train our troops for war situations; these *will* happen. Deter
aggression. Spreading American goodwill and assistance (I know you'll get a
laugh out of that one, but Christian missionaries also do it). Provide
humanitarian service.

Personally, I think we spend too much on the military. And yet, some of the
coolest guys I've met are servicemen. They've served in all sorts of countries
and their experiences are often quite salutory. And, it must be confessed, some
of them are sick fsckers, in a funny way, if you have a mordant sense of humor.

ObLinux:

https://www.kali.org/

The most advanced
Penetration Testing Distribution

Kali Linux is an open-source, Debian-based Linux distribution geared towards
various information security tasks, such as Penetration Testing, Security
Research, Computer Forensics and Reverse Engineering.

Haw haw haw haw haw:

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RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>>>
>>>> Are you really that out of touch?
>>>
>>> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
>>> truth of the situation.
>>>
>>> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.
>>
>> You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.
>
> That's you smarmy way of saying you don't like to be called out for your
> vapid, fact-free bullshit.

Whatever you say, Cletus.

--
Someone is speaking well of you.
How unusual!

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:20:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> I remember it, but I was still pretty young. So it didn't mean a lot to
> me.

Where were you in '62? :) That would have been my sophomore year in high
school. That's after spending 8 years in grade school periodically going
out into the halls, crouching down, and kissing our asses goodbye. The
presence of the Watervliet Arsenal, home of the Atomic Cannon, a few miles
away led out to envision a large target on the area.

I probably was naive about Kennedy. For one thing he was Catholic which
led to rooting for the home team during the election versus Tricky Dick.
He and Jackie were also a switch from Grandpa Ike and Grandma Mamie.

Owing to falling into a ditch and spraining my ankle I was home from
school and could watch his inauguration, the only one I've watched. Then
there was the assassination with teachers crying as they announced his
death.

On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 14:41:51 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In what way? In what part of our Constitution does it say we should have
>>>>>> military bases all over the world?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Constitution attempted to discourage standing armies but it didn't
>>>>> take long to get around that poorly written clause.
>>>>
>>>> Yep. But even "standing armies" doesn't explain 800+ permanent military
>>>> bases all over the world.
>>>
>>> Although there are too many, there are valid reasons to have a worldwide
>>> presence.
>>
>> Sure there are. Name one or two of these alleged "reasons." Keep in mind
>> that's it not our business to rule the world and prop up the Petro-dollar
>> with coups and influence peddling.
>
> I agree with that last statement, heartily.
>
> Here follows the stuff I think is valid and good for a certain amount of
> American military presence around the world.
>
> Protecting our homeland. Defend our national interests (yeah, some are not
> so good). Train our troops for war situations; these *will* happen. Deter
> aggression. Spreading American goodwill and assistance (I know you'll get a
> laugh out of that one, but Christian missionaries also do it). Provide
> humanitarian service.

Our homeland is not in Ukraine or Israel or Syria... By protecting our
"national interests" you mean protecting our corporate ghouls "right" to
steal other countries' natural resources. "Deter aggression?" — by
aggressively forcing our will on other countries. (Not working out that
well, is it?) "American" (banker's) "good will" and "assistance" always
comes with controlling strings attached, unlike China and Russia who trade
with others as sovereign countries. "Humanitarian service?" — like fomenting
coups all over the world.

And most of your stated goals (even if they were legitimate) do not require
800+ foreign military bases.

> Personally, I think we spend too much on the military. And yet, some of the
> coolest guys I've met are servicemen. They've served in all sorts of countries
> and their experiences are often quite salutory. And, it must be confessed, some
> of them are sick fsckers, in a funny way, if you have a mordant sense of humor.

Agree there. But our soldiers are misused by our Deep State.

> ObLinux:
>
> https://www.kali.org/
>
> The most advanced
> Penetration Testing Distribution
>
> Kali Linux is an open-source, Debian-based Linux distribution geared towards
> various information security tasks, such as Penetration Testing, Security
> Research, Computer Forensics and Reverse Engineering.
>
> Haw haw haw haw haw:
>

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-11, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-10, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:06:45 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> 10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you really that out of touch?
>>>>
>>>> Either that or he's being purposely obtuse so he doesn't have to admit the
>>>> truth of the situation.
>>>>
>>>> The "smarmy gene" is strong in Chris.
>>>
>>> You sip too much from the firehose of falsehood.
>>
>> That's you smarmy way of saying you don't like to be called out for your
>> vapid, fact-free bullshit.
>
> Whatever you say, Cletus.

More fact-free snark. It's what you do and you stick to it.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-02-11, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 10:20:55 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:
>
>
>> I remember it, but I was still pretty young. So it didn't mean a lot to
>> me.
>
> Where were you in '62? :) That would have been my sophomore year in high
> school. That's after spending 8 years in grade school periodically going
> out into the halls, crouching down, and kissing our asses goodbye. The
> presence of the Watervliet Arsenal, home of the Atomic Cannon, a few miles
> away led out to envision a large target on the area.
>
> I probably was naive about Kennedy. For one thing he was Catholic which
> led to rooting for the home team during the election versus Tricky Dick.
> He and Jackie were also a switch from Grandpa Ike and Grandma Mamie.
>
> Owing to falling into a ditch and spraining my ankle I was home from
> school and could watch his inauguration, the only one I've watched. Then
> there was the assassination with teachers crying as they announced his
> death.

I was about six years old in southern California. I don't remember much
about the Cuban missile crisis (probably my "memories" about it came from
watching TV later). I do remember when Kennedy was shot, however. Things
weren't normal, you "felt" it, like a pall cast over everything. Being a
self-centered little shit, the main inconvenience I remember was not being
able to watch my Saturday morning cartoons. I remember being relieved when
TV went back to normal and it wasn't all news. (This one of the times when
we did have a TV. My father kept going back and forth between having a TV in
the house and getting rid of it.)

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 16:09:52 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> ObLinux:
>
> https://www.kali.org/
>
> The most advanced Penetration Testing Distribution

Available from the Windows Store to run in WSL... It's handy for one-stop
shopping but John the Ripper, nmap, WireShark etc can be installed on any
Linux distro. Some even have Windows builds.

On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 03:26:00 -0000 (UTC), RonB wrote:

> Our homeland is not in Ukraine or Israel or Syria... By protecting our
> "national interests" you mean protecting our corporate ghouls "right" to
> steal other countries' natural resources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler

After 34 years in the Crotch he wrote 'War is a Racket'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

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