If this is actually a transcript of the interview, some interesting stuff.

On transgenders...

TUCKER: One poll in America shows you more popular than Biden – any
reaction?

PUTIN: (laughs) I don’t know if that should be taken seriously but Russian
ideals have support. We believe in traditional values; marriage is between
a man and a woman: men are men and women are women.

...

TUCKER: Along those lines, how do you see the transgender movement?

PUTIN: It’s interesting to me that all the things which use to be a target
of blackmail are now badges of honor. In Russia there are no laws either
way but we certainly do not force our children into it.

TUCKER: Russia has been criticized for its ant gay laws and as being
unfriendly to LGBTQ+.

PUTIN: We have laws which protect our children. And we do not drape our
embassies in rainbow flags. That’s correct. Otherwise we do not interfere
in the private lives of adult citizens.

On climate change...

TUCKER: Let’s touch on climate change. It’s still being pushed in the
United States and Europe. What’s your position?

PUTIN: Humanity is not even a Type 1 civilization on the Kardashev scale.
If we can’t harness the energy potential of the planet how can we control
the climate?

TUCKER: Are you at least concerned?

PUTIN: I’m more concerned with real issues. Climate change is not one of
them. The Earth does a fairly good job of regulating itself. And if
Siberia gets a little warmer all the better. More farmland for Russia.

TUCKER: But what would you tell the true believers who’re convinced we’re
headed for disaster?

PUTIN: I’d tell them worrying about climate change is like complaining
about the weather. If you don’t like the climate, move. If you are worried
about the weather, get an umbrella.

On illegal immigration...

TUCKER: Are you following what’s happening on the US southern border?

PUTIN: Actually, yes. It’s part of my daily briefing. We Russians find it
ironically amusing that your Congress will spend billions protecting
foreign borders but neglect it’s own. It’s quiet laughable but deadly.

TUCKER: Deadly? How do you mean that?

PUTIN: Deadly serious of course. People are dying daily crossing your
border in an uncontrolled way. It is a free-for-all. The world hasn’t seen
anything like it in the modern era – reckless for a country to throw
itself wide open like that.

TUCKER: Is Russia taking advantage of the border situation in any way?

PUTIN: No. Why should we. We don’t have to do a thing. America is
self-destructing. And, as Napoleon said, don’t stand in the way of your
enemy destroying themselves.

TUCKER: So then you do see America as an enemy?

PUTIN: That was just a saying but the current administration is definitely
not a friend.

TUCKER: Can that be changed?

PUTIN: That’s why you have elections.

On BRICS and Russia's "isolation"...

TUCKER: So are you saying your adversary is not Joe Biden but the people
behind him?

PUTIN: Exactly. Joe Biden may not even be aware of what’s going on. He may
not understand the level of sanctions thrown at Russia. Who put those
sanctions together? Those are our the adversaries.

TUCKER: Is that why you are championing the BRICS?

PUTIN: The BRICS would exist anyway. It’s a natural reaction to the
western trading block. It’s a counterweight. When the dollar is weaponized
against states there will be a natural alternative to it. That’s what we
want.

TUCKER: Is that why you and Russia have been targeted?

PUTIN: It’s more complicated than that but I’m sure it’s a good part of
the reason. Whenever the dollar is endangered, the United States takes
extreme measures. It cannot afford to have the dollar fail.

TUCKER: But isn’t Russia weaker and more vulnerable economically than the
US?

PUTIN: When you look at the size of economies we are small. But few people
take into account our vast natural resources. Russia has over $80 trillion
in the ground. No country even comes close to us.

On the 2020 election...

TUCKER: What is your opinion of President Biden?

PUTIN: We’re convinced he is not running the country. Let’s say we have
good sources that confirm that but it’s plain for anyone to see for
themselves. The US has now entered into a dark period. It has
unaccountable leadership.

TUCKER: Do you think Joe Biden won fair and square?

PUTIN: I would rather not get into domestic American politics but will say
my embassy reported your southern border was better run than that 2020
election. (chuckles)

TUCKER: Who would you like to see as the next president of the United
States?

PUTIN: Once again it is not for us to say or get involved. Contrary to
longstanding accusations we do not meddle in your elections. We don’t need
to because the same people end up running things anyway.

...

TUCKER: How do you think the 2024 election will go?

PUTIN: We are just observing. It’s our responsibility to be vigilant since
it will impact the world. We are hoping the election is carried out in a
way where the results can be believed. In Russia we do not have mail in
ballots.

On Trump's possible reelection...

TUCKER: How will you feel if Trump won again?

PUTIN: We had good relations when Mr. Trump was president. There was no
war. Our relations were at a high point. That said nothing is predictable
or stays the same. We will have to see.

...

TUCKER: Let’s turn to Trump. First tell me how you feel about the current
situation with the likelihood of him being reelected?

PUTIN: It would be a bit strange and out of order but we are well
prepared. He has promised to end the fighting in Ukraine and we support
that notion.

TUCKER: How could he end you end the war so fast?

PUTIN: For one thing he never insulted us. He has a great respect for
Russia. We would start from a position of friendship and trust – then all
problems are solvable. We could get it done. Trust me.

TUCKER: Are you referring to Biden calling you a killer?

PUTIN: We have been the recipients of numerous insults and slurs going
back a few generations of politicians. Mr. Trump was a refreshing break
from that. He is very popular in Russia. Perhaps that won’t do him any
good.

TUCKER: Are you in any communication with Trump?

PUTIN: No. Of course not. But should he win again our lines of
communication would open up instantly whereas right now we have no
dialogue with President Biden.

TUCKER: That’s shocking to me. No one from the White House has been in
contact with you?

PUTIN: That’s right. No one has called since we congratulated Mr. Biden on
his election victory. It’s puzzling to us that communications are colder
now than during the Cold War.

On Israel and Palestine...

TUCKER: Speaking of conflicts, what is your take on the Gaza situation?

PUTIN: It is really unfortunate. The Palestinians are being devastated.
Israel is acting in an unconstrained manner. It shows the terrible double
standards in the world. Where are the sanctions on Israel?

TUCKER: Is Russia involved in any way especially through your alliance
with Iran?

PUTIN: No. Of course not. We do not oppose the existence of Israel but at
the same time we support the right of the Palestinians to
self-determination. We want to be even-handed.

On China and a possible war with the U.S....

TUCKER: Let’s turn to China. What is your relationship like?

PUTIN: President Xi and I are especially close. Russia and China are
enjoying good relations as of now which is an obvious asset to us since
they are one of our biggest energy partners. We will continue to be
friends.

TUCKER: There are accusations China has helped you in the war in Ukraine.
Is that true?

PUTIN: That is not something I can discuss. Let’s just say Russia isn’t an
isolated power. That strategy has failed. We have more allies and trading
partners now than before the war started.

TUCKER: Do you ever contemplate a situation where Russia and China may
join forces against the United States?

PUTIN: Do you mean economically or militarily? I would say we want
neither. It’s not in our interest to clash with the US because all sides
would lose in such a conflict.

https://stateofthenation.co/?p=209590

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2024-02-08 03:55, RonB wrote:
> If this is actually a transcript of the interview, some interesting stuff.
>
> On transgenders...
>
> TUCKER: One poll in America shows you more popular than Biden – any
> reaction?
>
> PUTIN: (laughs) I don’t know if that should be taken seriously but Russian
> ideals have support. We believe in traditional values; marriage is between
> a man and a woman: men are men and women are women.
>
> ...
>
> TUCKER: Along those lines, how do you see the transgender movement?
>
> PUTIN: It’s interesting to me that all the things which use to be a target
> of blackmail are now badges of honor. In Russia there are no laws either
> way but we certainly do not force our children into it.
>
> TUCKER: Russia has been criticized for its ant gay laws and as being
> unfriendly to LGBTQ+.
>
> PUTIN: We have laws which protect our children. And we do not drape our
> embassies in rainbow flags. That’s correct. Otherwise we do not interfere
> in the private lives of adult citizens.
>
> On climate change...
>
> TUCKER: Let’s touch on climate change. It’s still being pushed in the
> United States and Europe. What’s your position?
>
> PUTIN: Humanity is not even a Type 1 civilization on the Kardashev scale.
> If we can’t harness the energy potential of the planet how can we control
> the climate?
>
> TUCKER: Are you at least concerned?
>
> PUTIN: I’m more concerned with real issues. Climate change is not one of
> them. The Earth does a fairly good job of regulating itself. And if
> Siberia gets a little warmer all the better. More farmland for Russia.
>
> TUCKER: But what would you tell the true believers who’re convinced we’re
> headed for disaster?
>
> PUTIN: I’d tell them worrying about climate change is like complaining
> about the weather. If you don’t like the climate, move. If you are worried
> about the weather, get an umbrella.
>
> On illegal immigration...
>
> TUCKER: Are you following what’s happening on the US southern border?
>
> PUTIN: Actually, yes. It’s part of my daily briefing. We Russians find it
> ironically amusing that your Congress will spend billions protecting
> foreign borders but neglect it’s own. It’s quiet laughable but deadly.
>
> TUCKER: Deadly? How do you mean that?
>
> PUTIN: Deadly serious of course. People are dying daily crossing your
> border in an uncontrolled way. It is a free-for-all. The world hasn’t seen
> anything like it in the modern era – reckless for a country to throw
> itself wide open like that.
>
> TUCKER: Is Russia taking advantage of the border situation in any way?
>
> PUTIN: No. Why should we. We don’t have to do a thing. America is
> self-destructing. And, as Napoleon said, don’t stand in the way of your
> enemy destroying themselves.
>
> TUCKER: So then you do see America as an enemy?
>
> PUTIN: That was just a saying but the current administration is definitely
> not a friend.
>
> TUCKER: Can that be changed?
>
> PUTIN: That’s why you have elections.
>
> On BRICS and Russia's "isolation"...
>
> TUCKER: So are you saying your adversary is not Joe Biden but the people
> behind him?
>
> PUTIN: Exactly. Joe Biden may not even be aware of what’s going on. He may
> not understand the level of sanctions thrown at Russia. Who put those
> sanctions together? Those are our the adversaries.
>
> TUCKER: Is that why you are championing the BRICS?
>
> PUTIN: The BRICS would exist anyway. It’s a natural reaction to the
> western trading block. It’s a counterweight. When the dollar is weaponized
> against states there will be a natural alternative to it. That’s what we
> want.
>
> TUCKER: Is that why you and Russia have been targeted?
>
> PUTIN: It’s more complicated than that but I’m sure it’s a good part of
> the reason. Whenever the dollar is endangered, the United States takes
> extreme measures. It cannot afford to have the dollar fail.
>
> TUCKER: But isn’t Russia weaker and more vulnerable economically than the
> US?
>
> PUTIN: When you look at the size of economies we are small. But few people
> take into account our vast natural resources. Russia has over $80 trillion
> in the ground. No country even comes close to us.
>
> On the 2020 election...
>
> TUCKER: What is your opinion of President Biden?
>
> PUTIN: We’re convinced he is not running the country. Let’s say we have
> good sources that confirm that but it’s plain for anyone to see for
> themselves. The US has now entered into a dark period. It has
> unaccountable leadership.
>
> TUCKER: Do you think Joe Biden won fair and square?
>
> PUTIN: I would rather not get into domestic American politics but will say
> my embassy reported your southern border was better run than that 2020
> election. (chuckles)
>
> TUCKER: Who would you like to see as the next president of the United
> States?
>
> PUTIN: Once again it is not for us to say or get involved. Contrary to
> longstanding accusations we do not meddle in your elections. We don’t need
> to because the same people end up running things anyway.
>
> ...
>
> TUCKER: How do you think the 2024 election will go?
>
> PUTIN: We are just observing. It’s our responsibility to be vigilant since
> it will impact the world. We are hoping the election is carried out in a
> way where the results can be believed. In Russia we do not have mail in
> ballots.
>
> On Trump's possible reelection...
>
> TUCKER: How will you feel if Trump won again?
>
> PUTIN: We had good relations when Mr. Trump was president. There was no
> war. Our relations were at a high point. That said nothing is predictable
> or stays the same. We will have to see.
>
> ...
>
> TUCKER: Let’s turn to Trump. First tell me how you feel about the current
> situation with the likelihood of him being reelected?
>
> PUTIN: It would be a bit strange and out of order but we are well
> prepared. He has promised to end the fighting in Ukraine and we support
> that notion.
>
> TUCKER: How could he end you end the war so fast?
>
> PUTIN: For one thing he never insulted us. He has a great respect for
> Russia. We would start from a position of friendship and trust – then all
> problems are solvable. We could get it done. Trust me.
>
> TUCKER: Are you referring to Biden calling you a killer?
>
> PUTIN: We have been the recipients of numerous insults and slurs going
> back a few generations of politicians. Mr. Trump was a refreshing break
> from that. He is very popular in Russia. Perhaps that won’t do him any
> good.
>
> TUCKER: Are you in any communication with Trump?
>
> PUTIN: No. Of course not. But should he win again our lines of
> communication would open up instantly whereas right now we have no
> dialogue with President Biden.
>
> TUCKER: That’s shocking to me. No one from the White House has been in
> contact with you?
>
> PUTIN: That’s right. No one has called since we congratulated Mr. Biden on
> his election victory. It’s puzzling to us that communications are colder
> now than during the Cold War.
>
> On Israel and Palestine...
>
> TUCKER: Speaking of conflicts, what is your take on the Gaza situation?
>
> PUTIN: It is really unfortunate. The Palestinians are being devastated.
> Israel is acting in an unconstrained manner. It shows the terrible double
> standards in the world. Where are the sanctions on Israel?
>
> TUCKER: Is Russia involved in any way especially through your alliance
> with Iran?
>
> PUTIN: No. Of course not. We do not oppose the existence of Israel but at
> the same time we support the right of the Palestinians to
> self-determination. We want to be even-handed.
>
> On China and a possible war with the U.S....
>
> TUCKER: Let’s turn to China. What is your relationship like?
>
> PUTIN: President Xi and I are especially close. Russia and China are
> enjoying good relations as of now which is an obvious asset to us since
> they are one of our biggest energy partners. We will continue to be
> friends.
>
> TUCKER: There are accusations China has helped you in the war in Ukraine.
> Is that true?
>
> PUTIN: That is not something I can discuss. Let’s just say Russia isn’t an
> isolated power. That strategy has failed. We have more allies and trading
> partners now than before the war started.
>
> TUCKER: Do you ever contemplate a situation where Russia and China may
> join forces against the United States?
>
> PUTIN: Do you mean economically or militarily? I would say we want
> neither. It’s not in our interest to clash with the US because all sides
> would lose in such a conflict.
>
> https://stateofthenation.co/?p=209590

RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:

>He makes a lot more sense than anything I read in the Western media. I
>guess that makes me a Russian agent.

You would presume that it's a real transcript? I'm not saying it
can't be, but it didn't seem self-evidently so when reading it.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

"Relf" <Usenet@Jeff-Relf.Me> wrote:

>What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?

Putin is not a Christian, if it means following Jesus.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-02-08, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-02-08 03:55, RonB wrote:
>> If this is actually a transcript of the interview, some interesting stuff.
>>
>> On transgenders...
>>
>> TUCKER: One poll in America shows you more popular than Biden – any
>> reaction?
>>
>> PUTIN: (laughs) I don’t know if that should be taken seriously but Russian
>> ideals have support. We believe in traditional values; marriage is between
>> a man and a woman: men are men and women are women.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> TUCKER: Along those lines, how do you see the transgender movement?
>>
>> PUTIN: It’s interesting to me that all the things which use to be a target
>> of blackmail are now badges of honor. In Russia there are no laws either
>> way but we certainly do not force our children into it.
>>
>> TUCKER: Russia has been criticized for its ant gay laws and as being
>> unfriendly to LGBTQ+.
>>
>> PUTIN: We have laws which protect our children. And we do not drape our
>> embassies in rainbow flags. That’s correct. Otherwise we do not interfere
>> in the private lives of adult citizens.
>>
>> On climate change...
>>
>> TUCKER: Let’s touch on climate change. It’s still being pushed in the
>> United States and Europe. What’s your position?
>>
>> PUTIN: Humanity is not even a Type 1 civilization on the Kardashev scale.
>> If we can’t harness the energy potential of the planet how can we control
>> the climate?
>>
>> TUCKER: Are you at least concerned?
>>
>> PUTIN: I’m more concerned with real issues. Climate change is not one of
>> them. The Earth does a fairly good job of regulating itself. And if
>> Siberia gets a little warmer all the better. More farmland for Russia.
>>
>> TUCKER: But what would you tell the true believers who’re convinced we’re
>> headed for disaster?
>>
>> PUTIN: I’d tell them worrying about climate change is like complaining
>> about the weather. If you don’t like the climate, move. If you are worried
>> about the weather, get an umbrella.
>>
>> On illegal immigration...
>>
>> TUCKER: Are you following what’s happening on the US southern border?
>>
>> PUTIN: Actually, yes. It’s part of my daily briefing. We Russians find it
>> ironically amusing that your Congress will spend billions protecting
>> foreign borders but neglect it’s own. It’s quiet laughable but deadly.
>>
>> TUCKER: Deadly? How do you mean that?
>>
>> PUTIN: Deadly serious of course. People are dying daily crossing your
>> border in an uncontrolled way. It is a free-for-all. The world hasn’t seen
>> anything like it in the modern era – reckless for a country to throw
>> itself wide open like that.
>>
>> TUCKER: Is Russia taking advantage of the border situation in any way?
>>
>> PUTIN: No. Why should we. We don’t have to do a thing. America is
>> self-destructing. And, as Napoleon said, don’t stand in the way of your
>> enemy destroying themselves.
>>
>> TUCKER: So then you do see America as an enemy?
>>
>> PUTIN: That was just a saying but the current administration is definitely
>> not a friend.
>>
>> TUCKER: Can that be changed?
>>
>> PUTIN: That’s why you have elections.
>>
>> On BRICS and Russia's "isolation"...
>>
>> TUCKER: So are you saying your adversary is not Joe Biden but the people
>> behind him?
>>
>> PUTIN: Exactly. Joe Biden may not even be aware of what’s going on. He may
>> not understand the level of sanctions thrown at Russia. Who put those
>> sanctions together? Those are our the adversaries.
>>
>> TUCKER: Is that why you are championing the BRICS?
>>
>> PUTIN: The BRICS would exist anyway. It’s a natural reaction to the
>> western trading block. It’s a counterweight. When the dollar is weaponized
>> against states there will be a natural alternative to it. That’s what we
>> want.
>>
>> TUCKER: Is that why you and Russia have been targeted?
>>
>> PUTIN: It’s more complicated than that but I’m sure it’s a good part of
>> the reason. Whenever the dollar is endangered, the United States takes
>> extreme measures. It cannot afford to have the dollar fail.
>>
>> TUCKER: But isn’t Russia weaker and more vulnerable economically than the
>> US?
>>
>> PUTIN: When you look at the size of economies we are small. But few people
>> take into account our vast natural resources. Russia has over $80 trillion
>> in the ground. No country even comes close to us.
>>
>> On the 2020 election...
>>
>> TUCKER: What is your opinion of President Biden?
>>
>> PUTIN: We’re convinced he is not running the country. Let’s say we have
>> good sources that confirm that but it’s plain for anyone to see for
>> themselves. The US has now entered into a dark period. It has
>> unaccountable leadership.
>>
>> TUCKER: Do you think Joe Biden won fair and square?
>>
>> PUTIN: I would rather not get into domestic American politics but will say
>> my embassy reported your southern border was better run than that 2020
>> election. (chuckles)
>>
>> TUCKER: Who would you like to see as the next president of the United
>> States?
>>
>> PUTIN: Once again it is not for us to say or get involved. Contrary to
>> longstanding accusations we do not meddle in your elections. We don’t need
>> to because the same people end up running things anyway.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> TUCKER: How do you think the 2024 election will go?
>>
>> PUTIN: We are just observing. It’s our responsibility to be vigilant since
>> it will impact the world. We are hoping the election is carried out in a
>> way where the results can be believed. In Russia we do not have mail in
>> ballots.
>>
>> On Trump's possible reelection...
>>
>> TUCKER: How will you feel if Trump won again?
>>
>> PUTIN: We had good relations when Mr. Trump was president. There was no
>> war. Our relations were at a high point. That said nothing is predictable
>> or stays the same. We will have to see.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> TUCKER: Let’s turn to Trump. First tell me how you feel about the current
>> situation with the likelihood of him being reelected?
>>
>> PUTIN: It would be a bit strange and out of order but we are well
>> prepared. He has promised to end the fighting in Ukraine and we support
>> that notion.
>>
>> TUCKER: How could he end you end the war so fast?
>>
>> PUTIN: For one thing he never insulted us. He has a great respect for
>> Russia. We would start from a position of friendship and trust – then all
>> problems are solvable. We could get it done. Trust me.
>>
>> TUCKER: Are you referring to Biden calling you a killer?
>>
>> PUTIN: We have been the recipients of numerous insults and slurs going
>> back a few generations of politicians. Mr. Trump was a refreshing break
>> from that. He is very popular in Russia. Perhaps that won’t do him any
>> good.
>>
>> TUCKER: Are you in any communication with Trump?
>>
>> PUTIN: No. Of course not. But should he win again our lines of
>> communication would open up instantly whereas right now we have no
>> dialogue with President Biden.
>>
>> TUCKER: That’s shocking to me. No one from the White House has been in
>> contact with you?
>>
>> PUTIN: That’s right. No one has called since we congratulated Mr. Biden on
>> his election victory. It’s puzzling to us that communications are colder
>> now than during the Cold War.
>>
>> On Israel and Palestine...
>>
>> TUCKER: Speaking of conflicts, what is your take on the Gaza situation?
>>
>> PUTIN: It is really unfortunate. The Palestinians are being devastated.
>> Israel is acting in an unconstrained manner. It shows the terrible double
>> standards in the world. Where are the sanctions on Israel?
>>
>> TUCKER: Is Russia involved in any way especially through your alliance
>> with Iran?
>>
>> PUTIN: No. Of course not. We do not oppose the existence of Israel but at
>> the same time we support the right of the Palestinians to
>> self-determination. We want to be even-handed.
>>
>> On China and a possible war with the U.S....
>>
>> TUCKER: Let’s turn to China. What is your relationship like?
>>
>> PUTIN: President Xi and I are especially close. Russia and China are
>> enjoying good relations as of now which is an obvious asset to us since
>> they are one of our biggest energy partners. We will continue to be
>> friends.
>>
>> TUCKER: There are accusations China has helped you in the war in Ukraine.
>> Is that true?
>>
>> PUTIN: That is not something I can discuss. Let’s just say Russia isn’t an
>> isolated power. That strategy has failed. We have more allies and trading
>> partners now than before the war started.
>>
>> TUCKER: Do you ever contemplate a situation where Russia and China may
>> join forces against the United States?
>>
>> PUTIN: Do you mean economically or militarily? I would say we want
>> neither. It’s not in our interest to clash with the US because all sides
>> would lose in such a conflict.
>>
>> https://stateofthenation.co/?p=209590
>
> He makes a lot more sense than anything I read in the Western media. I
> guess that makes me a Russian agent.

On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?

You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
for by the American people?

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative
Linux Mint patron

RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>
> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
> for by the American people?

Who started it?

--
You will have long and healthy life.

On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 18:17:56 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin
>>> does ?
>>
>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>> for by the American people?
>
> Who started it?

Victoria Nuland

On 2024-02-08, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>
> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
> for by the American people?

This war started when the Ukrainian Neo-Nazis (bought and paid for by the
United States) used a coup to take down the elected government and declared
that the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine must give up their Russian
language and culture. When the Russian speakers in Eastern Ukraine told the
illegal Kiev government to eat shit and bark at yon moon, Kiev started
killing civilians (tens of thousands) and destroying civilian
infrastructure. (That's how the U.S. like Israel, fight wars.) This part of
"Ukraine" was always Russian until Khrushchev put it under Ukraine's
political control in 1954. That was when Ukraine was just one region of the
Soviet Union.

Apparently Relf is clueless when it comes to history and reality.

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On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>
>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>> for by the American people?
>
> Who started it?

Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
coup.)

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On 2024-02-09, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 18:17:56 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin
>>>> does ?
>>>
>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>> for by the American people?
>>
>> Who started it?
>
> Victoria Nuland

A servant of our Deep State.

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On 2024-02-08, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-02-08, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-08 03:55, RonB wrote:
>>> If this is actually a transcript of the interview, some interesting stuff.
>>>
>>> On transgenders...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: One poll in America shows you more popular than Biden – any
>>> reaction?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: (laughs) I don’t know if that should be taken seriously but Russian
>>> ideals have support. We believe in traditional values; marriage is between
>>> a man and a woman: men are men and women are women.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Along those lines, how do you see the transgender movement?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: It’s interesting to me that all the things which use to be a target
>>> of blackmail are now badges of honor. In Russia there are no laws either
>>> way but we certainly do not force our children into it.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Russia has been criticized for its ant gay laws and as being
>>> unfriendly to LGBTQ+.
>>>
>>> PUTIN: We have laws which protect our children. And we do not drape our
>>> embassies in rainbow flags. That’s correct. Otherwise we do not interfere
>>> in the private lives of adult citizens.
>>>
>>> On climate change...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Let’s touch on climate change. It’s still being pushed in the
>>> United States and Europe. What’s your position?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: Humanity is not even a Type 1 civilization on the Kardashev scale.
>>> If we can’t harness the energy potential of the planet how can we control
>>> the climate?
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Are you at least concerned?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: I’m more concerned with real issues. Climate change is not one of
>>> them. The Earth does a fairly good job of regulating itself. And if
>>> Siberia gets a little warmer all the better. More farmland for Russia.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: But what would you tell the true believers who’re convinced we’re
>>> headed for disaster?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: I’d tell them worrying about climate change is like complaining
>>> about the weather. If you don’t like the climate, move. If you are worried
>>> about the weather, get an umbrella.
>>>
>>> On illegal immigration...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Are you following what’s happening on the US southern border?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: Actually, yes. It’s part of my daily briefing. We Russians find it
>>> ironically amusing that your Congress will spend billions protecting
>>> foreign borders but neglect it’s own. It’s quiet laughable but deadly.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Deadly? How do you mean that?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: Deadly serious of course. People are dying daily crossing your
>>> border in an uncontrolled way. It is a free-for-all. The world hasn’t seen
>>> anything like it in the modern era – reckless for a country to throw
>>> itself wide open like that.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Is Russia taking advantage of the border situation in any way?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: No. Why should we. We don’t have to do a thing. America is
>>> self-destructing. And, as Napoleon said, don’t stand in the way of your
>>> enemy destroying themselves.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: So then you do see America as an enemy?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: That was just a saying but the current administration is definitely
>>> not a friend.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Can that be changed?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: That’s why you have elections.
>>>
>>> On BRICS and Russia's "isolation"...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: So are you saying your adversary is not Joe Biden but the people
>>> behind him?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: Exactly. Joe Biden may not even be aware of what’s going on. He may
>>> not understand the level of sanctions thrown at Russia. Who put those
>>> sanctions together? Those are our the adversaries.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Is that why you are championing the BRICS?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: The BRICS would exist anyway. It’s a natural reaction to the
>>> western trading block. It’s a counterweight. When the dollar is weaponized
>>> against states there will be a natural alternative to it. That’s what we
>>> want.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Is that why you and Russia have been targeted?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: It’s more complicated than that but I’m sure it’s a good part of
>>> the reason. Whenever the dollar is endangered, the United States takes
>>> extreme measures. It cannot afford to have the dollar fail.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: But isn’t Russia weaker and more vulnerable economically than the
>>> US?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: When you look at the size of economies we are small. But few people
>>> take into account our vast natural resources. Russia has over $80 trillion
>>> in the ground. No country even comes close to us.
>>>
>>> On the 2020 election...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: What is your opinion of President Biden?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: We’re convinced he is not running the country. Let’s say we have
>>> good sources that confirm that but it’s plain for anyone to see for
>>> themselves. The US has now entered into a dark period. It has
>>> unaccountable leadership.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Do you think Joe Biden won fair and square?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: I would rather not get into domestic American politics but will say
>>> my embassy reported your southern border was better run than that 2020
>>> election. (chuckles)
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Who would you like to see as the next president of the United
>>> States?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: Once again it is not for us to say or get involved. Contrary to
>>> longstanding accusations we do not meddle in your elections. We don’t need
>>> to because the same people end up running things anyway.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: How do you think the 2024 election will go?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: We are just observing. It’s our responsibility to be vigilant since
>>> it will impact the world. We are hoping the election is carried out in a
>>> way where the results can be believed. In Russia we do not have mail in
>>> ballots.
>>>
>>> On Trump's possible reelection...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: How will you feel if Trump won again?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: We had good relations when Mr. Trump was president. There was no
>>> war. Our relations were at a high point. That said nothing is predictable
>>> or stays the same. We will have to see.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Let’s turn to Trump. First tell me how you feel about the current
>>> situation with the likelihood of him being reelected?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: It would be a bit strange and out of order but we are well
>>> prepared. He has promised to end the fighting in Ukraine and we support
>>> that notion.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: How could he end you end the war so fast?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: For one thing he never insulted us. He has a great respect for
>>> Russia. We would start from a position of friendship and trust – then all
>>> problems are solvable. We could get it done. Trust me.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Are you referring to Biden calling you a killer?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: We have been the recipients of numerous insults and slurs going
>>> back a few generations of politicians. Mr. Trump was a refreshing break
>>> from that. He is very popular in Russia. Perhaps that won’t do him any
>>> good.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Are you in any communication with Trump?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: No. Of course not. But should he win again our lines of
>>> communication would open up instantly whereas right now we have no
>>> dialogue with President Biden.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: That’s shocking to me. No one from the White House has been in
>>> contact with you?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: That’s right. No one has called since we congratulated Mr. Biden on
>>> his election victory. It’s puzzling to us that communications are colder
>>> now than during the Cold War.
>>>
>>> On Israel and Palestine...
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Speaking of conflicts, what is your take on the Gaza situation?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: It is really unfortunate. The Palestinians are being devastated.
>>> Israel is acting in an unconstrained manner. It shows the terrible double
>>> standards in the world. Where are the sanctions on Israel?
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Is Russia involved in any way especially through your alliance
>>> with Iran?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: No. Of course not. We do not oppose the existence of Israel but at
>>> the same time we support the right of the Palestinians to
>>> self-determination. We want to be even-handed.
>>>
>>> On China and a possible war with the U.S....
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Let’s turn to China. What is your relationship like?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: President Xi and I are especially close. Russia and China are
>>> enjoying good relations as of now which is an obvious asset to us since
>>> they are one of our biggest energy partners. We will continue to be
>>> friends.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: There are accusations China has helped you in the war in Ukraine.
>>> Is that true?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: That is not something I can discuss. Let’s just say Russia isn’t an
>>> isolated power. That strategy has failed. We have more allies and trading
>>> partners now than before the war started.
>>>
>>> TUCKER: Do you ever contemplate a situation where Russia and China may
>>> join forces against the United States?
>>>
>>> PUTIN: Do you mean economically or militarily? I would say we want
>>> neither. It’s not in our interest to clash with the US because all sides
>>> would lose in such a conflict.
>>>
>>> https://stateofthenation.co/?p=209590
>>
>> He makes a lot more sense than anything I read in the Western media. I
>> guess that makes me a Russian agent.
>
> Of course. Any time you disagree with the Deep State you're a _de facto_
> Russian agent. You learn that in Brainwashing 101.

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> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>
>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>> for by the American people?
>>
>> Who started it?
>
> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
> coup.)

Vlogging for Vlad :-D

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Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> RonB wrote:
>>
>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>> coup.)
>
> Vlogging for Vlad :-D

The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
IMO.

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"advocates" often.' - some thing, snittishly pretending [lying] that
it gets attacked for using Linux along with other options.

On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>
>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>> for by the American people?
>>>
>>> Who started it?
>>
>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>> coup.)
>
> Vlogging for Vlad :-D

No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.

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-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2024-02-09, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>>
>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>> coup.)
>>
>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>
> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
> IMO.

It showed, once again, the uselessness of the United States' promises.
Pretty much the history of the greedy bastards who have always run our
country.

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-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:

> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
> IMO.

NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
foreign entanglements was.

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> Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> RonB wrote:
>>>
>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>> coup.)
>>
>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>
> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
> IMO.

I would agree there's room for argument about that.

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> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>
>> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
>> IMO.
>
> NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
> dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
> a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
> warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
> foreign entanglements was.

On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
conquer other countries.

What a stew the world is.

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A: One. Only it's his light bulb when he's done.

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> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>
>>>> Who started it?
>>>
>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>> coup.)
>>
>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>
> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.

I was referring to Tucks.

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A: You won't find a lawyer who can change a light bulb. Now, if
you're looking for a lawyer to screw a light bulb...

On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 15:41:07 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to
> invade and conquer other countries.
>
> What a stew the world is.

And it all goes back to agriculture, the bane of humanity.

On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who started it?
>>>>
>>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>>> coup.)
>>>
>>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>>
>> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.
>
> I was referring to Tucks.

I was referring to Nuland and the CIA coup she supported that started this
war in Ukraine.

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-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>>
>>> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
>>> IMO.
>>
>> NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
>> dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
>> a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
>> warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
>> foreign entanglements was.
>
> On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
> conquer other countries.
>
> What a stew the world is.

So, is this your way of excusing U.S. actions in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran,
Serbia, Viet Nam, etc.?

A shrug of the shoulders and "oh well?"

We have over 800 military bases all over the world. Time for us to become
the U.S. and not a world empire in rapid decline.

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> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Fri, 09 Feb 2024 07:02:36 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>>>
>>>> The talk about having Ukraine join NATO was also extremely misguided,
>>>> IMO.
>>>
>>> NATO itself is extremely misguided. I'm old enough to remember the 'peace
>>> dividend' when the USSR was dissolved. However the US cannot exist without
>>> a perpetual enemy to justify the industrial-military complex Eisenhower
>>> warned about. His warning was ignored just as Washington's advice to avoid
>>> foreign entanglements was.
>>
>> On the other hand, there always seems to be some country willing to invade and
>> conquer other countries.
>>
>> What a stew the world is.
>
> So, is this your way of excusing U.S. actions in Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Iran,
> Serbia, Viet Nam, etc.?
>
> A shrug of the shoulders and "oh well?"
>
> We have over 800 military bases all over the world. Time for us to become
> the U.S. and not a world empire in rapid decline.

Way too simplistic.

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>>> On 2024-02-09, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-08, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>>>>>> RabidPedagog wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2024-02-08 9:27 a.m., Relf wrote:
>>>>>>>> What could be more Christian than bombing Kyiv from afar, as Putin does ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean the way Ukraine sends drones far into Russian territory paid
>>>>>>> for by the American people?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who started it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ukraine, in 2014 when our bought and paid for Nazi coup drove out the
>>>>> ELECTED, pro-Russian, government of Ukraine. Talk about "political
>>>>> influence." (Nuland admitted to spending at least $5 Billion to pay for the
>>>>> coup.)
>>>>
>>>> Vlogging for Vlad :-D
>>>
>>> No, Nuland was Vlogging for Volod Zelensky.
>>
>> I was referring to Tucks.
>
> I was referring to Nuland and the CIA coup she supported that started this
> war in Ukraine.

10 years ago. Then Putin decides to invade. Why the long delay?

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