On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>
>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>
>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>
> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
> Windows only tool.

It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/

Midnight Commander started as Miguel de Icaza's clone of the Windows
'Norton Commander' and now it's made it full circle. In the late '90s I
had backported it as an exercise in using what was then mingw32. That in
itself was a spinoff of the Cygwin project. Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin was
interested in a Linuxy environment on Windows where mingw32 aimed at being
able to use gcc to create Windows programs, particularly when Mumit Khan
took over the project. I did a little work creating clean DirectX headers.

Not sure where all those people are now. De Icaza was the real rising
star.

Le 10-02-2024, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> a écrit :
> On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>>
>>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>>
>>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>>
>> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
>> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
>> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
>> Windows only tool.
>
> It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.

Yes. That's why I discovered with DFS' message it's a Windows' only FOSS
application. Normally, FOSS can be move easily to Linux, so if something
starts in Windows and is good, there will always be someone to make it
run on Linux. Something heavily relying on a graphic card or something
like that could be difficult to do, but for a text editor, it shouldn't
be that hard.

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On 2/9/2024 3:46 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>
>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>
>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>
> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
> Windows only tool.
>
>> Most Windows-only software is closed-source and for sale, or has a
>> feature-limited version that's free of cost.
>
> Yes.

And the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
equivalent.

For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary
Windows file renaming apps:

https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
https://www.advancedrenamer.com

There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
good interface.

I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.

https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

On 2/9/2024 7:34 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On 09 Feb 2024 20:46:21 GMT, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>>
>>>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>>>
>>> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>>>
>>> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
>>> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.
>>
>> OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
>> care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
>> times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
>> Windows only tool.
>
> It's a wonder it hasn't made it to Linux.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/mcwin32/
>
> Midnight Commander started as Miguel de Icaza's clone of the Windows
> 'Norton Commander' and now it's made it full circle. In the late '90s I
> had backported it as an exercise in using what was then mingw32. That in
> itself was a spinoff of the Cygwin project. Corinna Vinschen of Cygwin was
> interested in a Linuxy environment on Windows where mingw32 aimed at being
> able to use gcc to create Windows programs, particularly when Mumit Khan
> took over the project. I did a little work creating clean DirectX headers.
>
> Not sure where all those people are now. De Icaza was the real rising
> star.

He was. As I recall, he started the gnome project, the Mono project and
the gnumeric spreadsheet. At one point he left Linux and embraced Macs,
and even went to work for Microsoft (virtually every FOSS "advocate"
under the sun will sell out directly to Microsoft for the right amount
of money).

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
>equivalent.
>
>For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary
>Windows file renaming apps:
>
>https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
>https://www.advancedrenamer.com
>
>There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
>good interface.
>
>
>I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
>featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>
>https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

Not even close to making it worth running Winblows.

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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>
> I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
> featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>
> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/

Why should you use a graphical version of a basic tools to rename simple
files? It's fast and easy to do on the command line:
<https://fossies.org/linux/privat/old/renameutils-0.12.0.tar.gz/#basic_infos>

Examples from the man page:
================================
EXAMPLES
Given the files foo1, ..., foo9, foo10, ..., foo278, the commands

rename foo foo00 foo?
rename foo foo0 foo??

will turn them into foo001, ..., foo009, foo010, ..., foo278. And

rename .htm .html *.htm

will fix the extension of your html files. Provide an empty string for shortening:

rename '_with_long_name' '' file_with_long_name.*

will remove the substring in the filenames.
================================

On ubuntu/debian they are using another command relying on regex, it's
more powerful but in all the cases I had, the easy command is doing the
job.

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Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>Something running only on Windows can't be
>FOSS

That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
Doesn't mean I lack equivalents under Linux, though.

--
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 10-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>Something running only on Windows can't be
>>FOSS
>
> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.

Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
<https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.

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On 2/10/2024 7:21 AM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
> Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>
>> I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
>> featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>>
>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/
>
> Why should you use a graphical version of a basic tools to rename simple
> files? It's fast and easy to do on the command line:

Sure. DOS and Windows has the ren command.

> <https://fossies.org/linux/privat/old/renameutils-0.12.0.tar.gz/#basic_infos>
>
> Examples from the man page:
> ================================
> EXAMPLES
> Given the files foo1, ..., foo9, foo10, ..., foo278, the commands
>
> rename foo foo00 foo?
> rename foo foo0 foo??
>
> will turn them into foo001, ..., foo009, foo010, ..., foo278. And
>
> rename .htm .html *.htm
>
> will fix the extension of your html files. Provide an empty string for shortening:
>
> rename '_with_long_name' '' file_with_long_name.*
>
> will remove the substring in the filenames.
> ================================
>
> On ubuntu/debian they are using another command relying on regex, it's
> more powerful but in all the cases I had, the easy command is doing the
> job.

https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer

previews the new filenames that would result from the sophisticated
rules you can set, including regular expressions. If you agree, you
just hit Apply and it makes the filename changes.

Linux is doomed.

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

>> Except that you're a fscking idiot.
>
> You still don't know how to write "fucking". You should learn. It's not
> that difficult. Even a fucking idiot like me can learn that.

It's a pun on the UNIX fsck (file-system check) command.

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Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
>>equivalent.
>>
>>For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary
>>Windows file renaming apps:
>>
>>https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
>>https://www.advancedrenamer.com
>>
>>There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
>>good interface.

:-D DFS gotta have his GOOOOOOOIEEEEEEEEE!!!!

>>I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
>>featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>>
>>https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/
>
> Not even close to making it worth running Winblows.

I use the Perl-based rename app. Uses simple Perl commands (e.g. "s/xxx/yyy/g")
for rules.

There is also a simpler rename in the utils-linux package on Arch.

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Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
> https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
>
> previews the new filenames that would result from the sophisticated
> rules you can set, including regular expressions. If you agree, you
> just hit Apply and it makes the filename changes.

I know what I do. I don't need two or three ARE-YOU-SURE? buttons each
time I need to do something. When the command is easy, I need it to be
fast.

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Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

I've seen your "logic".

Le 10-02-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)

You see, I was not lying.

> I've seen your "logic".

You should try to understand it.

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On 2/10/2024 8:57 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Joel wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>> the quality of most Windows software totally blows away the Linux
>>> equivalent.
>>>
>>> For instance, the free of cost but limited versions of these proprietary
>>> Windows file renaming apps:
>>>
>>> https://www.den4b.com/products/renamer
>>> https://www.advancedrenamer.com
>>>
>>> There is no Linux alternative with the same ease of use, features and
>>> good interface.
>
> :-D DFS gotta have his GOOOOOOOIEEEEEEEEE!!!!

User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)

All GUI, all the time.

Good one, Creepy1

>>> I might have to neck myself if I was forced to use some piece of crap,
>>> featureless, simple-simon Linux/FOSS tool like Bulky.
>>>
>>> https://ubuntuhandbook.org/index.php/2021/07/linux-mint-bulky-file-renamer-ubuntu-20-04/
>>
>> Not even close to making it worth running Winblows.
>
> I use the Perl-based rename app. Uses simple Perl commands (e.g. "s/xxx/yyy/g")
> for rules.
>
> There is also a simpler rename in the utils-linux package on Arch.

ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.

You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

Windows FTW!

(I didn't need to tell you that - your entire career was Windows).

Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>
> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>
> All GUI, all the time.
>
> Good one, Creepy1

No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for
that.

> ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
> Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
> Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.
>
> You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
> few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

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Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:

>>>Something running only on Windows can't be
>>>FOSS
>>
>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>
>Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
>exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
>you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
><https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
>You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.

Forte Agent shouldn't be FOSS, it's better than any other GUI
newsreader on any platform. But that doesn't make your assertion that
there can't be FOSS for Winblows true.

--
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Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 10-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>>>Something running only on Windows can't be
>>>>FOSS
>>>
>>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>>
>>Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
>>exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
>>you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
>><https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
>>You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.
>
>
> Forte Agent shouldn't be FOSS, it's better than any other GUI
> newsreader on any platform. But that doesn't make your assertion that
> there can't be FOSS for Winblows true.

Where are your favorite FOSS Windows only apps? If you can't provide
one, you are just lying proving I'm right.

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> Le 10-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
>>
>> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux)
>>
>> All GUI, all the time.

It's an S-lang app, Kind Sir. That is, it uses a text-based interface library
similar to ncurses.

>> Good one, Creepy1

Swing and a miss, Sloppy1.

> No, slrn is not a GUI. It's a TUI. It runs in a terminal. It's not a
> command line but it's keyboard managed. I don't know if a CLI exist for
> using usenet, but it should be very uneasy to manage. So TUI is good for
> that.
>
>> ReNamer has extensive options, including: Insert Delete Remove Replace
>> Rearrange Extension Strip Case Serialize Randomize Padding CleanUp
>> Translit ReformatDate RegEx PascalScript.
>>
>> You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
>> few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.

You'll spend days learning all those ReNamer options. "PascalScript" LOL

> No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
> more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.

Thank you for your support.

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On Sat, 10 Feb 2024 07:10:40 -0500, DFS wrote:

> He was. As I recall, he started the gnome project, the Mono project and
> the gnumeric spreadsheet. At one point he left Linux and embraced Macs,
> and even went to work for Microsoft (virtually every FOSS "advocate"
> under the sun will sell out directly to Microsoft for the right amount
> of money).

He left Microsoft last year. Several of the other early players wound up
at Red Hat. Programmers have to eat, too.

rbowman wrote:

>[De Icaza] left Microsoft last year.

Too bad his "mono" Trojan Horse failed, eh? /s

"Hadron" is still crying about that, I think.

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Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> (snipped, unread)

Idiot.

Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>>
>> some dumb fsck wrote:
>>>
>>> You'll spend days learning the cli commands to do what you can do in a
>>> few minutes with the ReNamer GUI.
>>
>> No, if you already know regex you just use them and you have nothing
>> more to learn and you can do in a few seconds in the CLI.
>
> Thank you for your support.

DumFSck attacking out of ignorance, again? Say it isn't so!

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(null-terminated array of chars... heh!). That didn't have booleans
until 25 years after it was introduced?" - VB "programmer" DumFSck,
ignorantly attacking C

Joel wrote:
> Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>
>>>> Something running only on Windows can't be
>>>> FOSS
>>>
>>> That's totally false, some of my favorite Winblows apps are FOSS.
>>
>> Like what? DFS provided ONE good example. It's valid but it's an
>> exception not a proof that I'm totally wrong. So, how many examples can
>> you provide? For a start, Forté Agent is not FOSS:
>> <https://www.forteinc.com/main/homepage.php>
>> You should have a lot to be able to prove me wrong.
>
>
> Forte Agent shouldn't be FOSS, it's better than any other GUI
> newsreader on any platform. But that doesn't make your assertion that
> there can't be FOSS for Winblows true.
>
you're like a hamster on a wheel

Le 10-02-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> (snipped, unread)
>
> Idiot.

Yes I know.

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