I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).

So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.

Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.

$ cat /etc/os-release
NAME="Linux Mint"
VERSION="21.2 (Victoria)"
ID=linuxmint
ID_LIKE="ubuntu debian"
PRETTY_NAME="Linux Mint 21.2"
VERSION_ID="21.2"
HOME_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
SUPPORT_URL="https://forums.linuxmint.com/"
BUG_REPORT_URL="http://linuxmint-troubleshooting-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/"
PRIVACY_POLICY_URL="https://www.linuxmint.com/"
VERSION_CODENAME=victoria
UBUNTU_CODENAME=jammy

--
-v

On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 07:40:36 -0000 (UTC), vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote
in <upkqlk$31563$1@dont-email.me>:

> I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
> updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
> 535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).
>
> So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
> the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
> But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
> I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.
>
> Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
> Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.
>

Ah, a snag -- decided I wanted a low-latency kernel, so I installed
linux-lowlatency. I got one (and booted to it), but it's only
Linux 5.

[ Linux lm 5.15.0-92-lowlatency #102-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT
Mon Jan 15 10:13:06 UTC 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ]

I might have to build my own kernel if I want a low-latency
Linux 6...it's been years since I've done that.

--
-v

vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

>I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
>updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
>535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).
>
>So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
>the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
>But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
>I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.
>
>Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
>Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.

I'll stay with 5.x for the kernel, just less reconfiguring for the
system to do, ultimately, than trying to keep up with the latest
supported kernel builds. I'm not trying to prove anything with this
computer, it does fine as it is, tweaking such a modern masterpiece
seems unneeded. It can handle whatever you want to run.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sat, 3 Feb 2024 07:40:36 -0000 (UTC), vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote
> in <upkqlk$31563$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> I wrote a few months ago about needing to hold back NVidia driver
>> updates in Linux Mint. I needed to keep running nvidia*525 since
>> 535 had problems with Starfield (on both Linux and Windows).
>>
>> So I saw nvidia*545 become available on Mint, so I released
>> the holds. After the update/upgrade, I booted to Linux 6.
>> But on checking the kernels list in Software Update, I saw
>> I was running an unsupported kernel, 6.6.6.
>>
>> Found the kernel with support -- 6.5.0 -- installed and booted it.
>> Haven't tried Starfield with it yet, but Elite Dangerous runs great.
>
> Ah, a snag -- decided I wanted a low-latency kernel, so I installed
> linux-lowlatency. I got one (and booted to it), but it's only
> Linux 5.
>
> [ Linux lm 5.15.0-92-lowlatency #102-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT
> Mon Jan 15 10:13:06 UTC 2024 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux ]
>
> I might have to build my own kernel if I want a low-latency
> Linux 6...it's been years since I've done that.

Ah, the good ol' days.

Might need to try it just for old time's sake.

--
A morgue is a morgue is a morgue. They can paint the walls with aggressively
cheerful primary colors and splashy bold graphics, but it's still a holding
place for the dead until they can be parted out to organ banks.
-- Pat Cadigan, "Mindplayers"

Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote:
>vallor wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> I might have to build my own kernel if I want a low-latency
>> Linux 6...it's been years since I've done that.
>
>Ah, the good ol' days.
>
>Might need to try it just for old time's sake.

Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
the money, product key and bloat.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2/3/2024 7:14 AM, Joel wrote:

> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
> the money, product key and bloat.

And good software.

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>> the money, product key and bloat.
>
>And good software.

And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
natively under Linux with Wine.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2/3/2024 11:57 AM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>
>> And good software.
>
>
> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
> natively under Linux with Wine.

heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.

I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>
>>> And good software.
>>
>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>
>heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.

You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

>I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."

I am not sure I can say it, honestly. It's a great choice for gamers.
It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2/3/2024 12:23 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>>
>>>> And good software.
>>>
>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>
>> heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>
>
> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

I'm suggesting the main - possibly only - reason you run Linux is
because you can run your favorite Windows apps, and if you couldn't run
them you would stay with Windows.

>> I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."
>
>
> I am not sure I can say it, honestly.

So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
and "I will probably never run Linux again"?

> It's a great choice for gamers.
> It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
> it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
> Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.

"more fruitful" is really nebulous. Can you quantify or defend it?

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>>>> [The Microsoft Windows platform has] good software.
>>>>
>>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>>
>>> heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>>
>> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?
>
>I'm suggesting the main - possibly only - reason you run Linux is
>because you can run your favorite Windows apps, and if you couldn't run
>them you would stay with Windows.

If I take that as completely accurately ascertained by you, it would
mean they did a damn good job of coding Wine.

>>> I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."
>>
>> I am not sure I can say it, honestly.
>
>So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>and "I will probably never run Linux again"?

I was kidding myself, I think.

>> It's a great choice for gamers.
>> It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
>> it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
>> Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.
>
>"more fruitful" is really nebulous. Can you quantify or defend it?

I meant that using these apps allows me to not have to use Windows.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

Le 03-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>>
>>>> And good software.
>>>
>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>
>>heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>
> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?

Of course: it's obvious.

The purpose of an OS is not to stare at it while swearing and laughing
in front of it like a FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever moron. The purpose of an OS
is to allow you to launch the tools/games/whatever you really need. And
to manage them in the best possible way. So, if what you need is not
available, it means your OS has nothing to managed, in other words it's
useless. And so when you are using wine, you prove your OS is useless.

That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
you find alternatives to your Windows toys. That'll show you don't need
Windows.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>> [The Microsoft Windows platform has] good software.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>>>
>>>> heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>>>
>>> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?
>>
>> I'm suggesting the main - possibly only - reason you run Linux is
>> because you can run your favorite Windows apps, and if you couldn't run
>> them you would stay with Windows.
>
>
> If I take that as completely accurately ascertained by you, it would
> mean they did a damn good job of coding Wine.

That it runs some Windows apps flawlessly is a credit to them, but the
overall Wine success rate at running Windows apps well is apparently
very, very low.

The Wine devs must love their hobby, since they've been at it for 30
years with at best middling success.

>>>> I'm waiting for you to say "Windows remains a great choice for others."
>>>
>>> I am not sure I can say it, honestly.
>>
>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>
>
> I was kidding myself, I think.

5x sounds like a partial commitment.

>>> It's a great choice for gamers.
>>> It's a great choice to use MS Office and Photoshop, and crap. For me
>>> it is nevertheless more fruitful, to use the apps that can run under
>>> Linux, including some Winblows apps under Wine.
>>
>> "more fruitful" is really nebulous. Can you quantify or defend it?
>
>
> I meant that using these apps allows me to not have to use Windows.

I would definitely use Linux more often if it ran all the Windows-only
apps I use, which isn't many, but they're very important to me: MS
Office and Notepad++ mainly. Also SumatraPDF, and Windows Terminal, and
the dozens/hundreds of Windows apps I've downloaded and use intermittently.

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
>you find alternatives to your Windows toys.

Nonsense. There's no need to be "pure".

--
'"more choice to the user" - what a crock of shit.' - "True Linux
advocate" Hadron Quark

On 2024-02-04, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
> Le 03-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>>>
>>>>> And good software.
>>>>
>>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>>
>>>heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>>
>> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?
>
> Of course: it's obvious.
>
> The purpose of an OS is not to stare at it while swearing and laughing
> in front of it like a FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever moron. The purpose of an OS
> is to allow you to launch the tools/games/whatever you really need. And
> to manage them in the best possible way. So, if what you need is not
> available, it means your OS has nothing to managed, in other words it's
> useless. And so when you are using wine, you prove your OS is useless.
>
> That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
> you find alternatives to your Windows toys. That'll show you don't need
> Windows.

I hardly ever agree with Joel (he's in my killfile) but what are you saying?
That, when you use Linux, you sign some sort of fealty oath with it? That
you become its vassal and will forever swear off any application that
doesn't run natively under Linux? — or in any way "betray" Linux? This is
not a marriage. Using a Windows application under Wine doesn't mean you
"need" Windows, it means you want to run that application on a superior
platform, Linux.

I don't currently have any Windows applications running under Wine. But last
fall I wanted to try out Scrivener (a word processor) that only comes in two
versions, Windows and Mac OS. So I used Wine. It run well — it turned out I
wasn't that crazy about Scrivener and ended up deleting it and Wine, but I
liked the fact that I *could* run Scrivener on my Linux machines if I wanted
to. I don't see anything wrong with that.

As for "you're not promoting Linux because you use Wine," I think that's a
stretch. It's a personal choice (and I respect that choice) but it kind of
reminds me of those who will *only* use open source software when there are
good proprietary choices. I also respect that choice, but I don't agree with
it. If a Linux application is proprietary and it does what I want done, then
I'll use it.

Choice is good.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2024-02-04, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
>>you find alternatives to your Windows toys.
>
> Nonsense. There's no need to be "pure".

Much more succinctly than how I put it.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

Le 04-02-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
>>you find alternatives to your Windows toys.
>
> Nonsense. There's no need to be "pure".

Thanks for the good laugh.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Le 04-02-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
> On 2024-02-04, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>> Le 03-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And good software.
>>>>>
>>>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>>>
>>>>heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>>>
>>> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?
>>
>> Of course: it's obvious.
>>
>> The purpose of an OS is not to stare at it while swearing and laughing
>> in front of it like a FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever moron. The purpose of an OS
>> is to allow you to launch the tools/games/whatever you really need. And
>> to manage them in the best possible way. So, if what you need is not
>> available, it means your OS has nothing to managed, in other words it's
>> useless. And so when you are using wine, you prove your OS is useless.
>>
>> That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
>> you find alternatives to your Windows toys. That'll show you don't need
>> Windows.
>
> I hardly ever agree with Joel (he's in my killfile) but what are you saying?
> That, when you use Linux, you sign some sort of fealty oath with it? That
> you become its vassal and will forever swear off any application that
> doesn't run natively under Linux? — or in any way "betray" Linux? This is
> not a marriage. Using a Windows application under Wine doesn't mean you
> "need" Windows, it means you want to run that application on a superior
> platform, Linux.

There is no such thing as a Linux betrayal. You do what you want and you
use what you want. But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
right when you are using proprietary software. That's all, there is
nothing more to understand. Something running only on Windows can't be
FOSS, so if you need wine, you need it to run something proprietary. So
if you need something proprietary, it means FOSS is not enough. There is
nothing difficult to understand.

Read again what I didn't removed: DFS says Windows is better because
software is better and Joel answer's was using wine is the solution. So,
when he answered that he just tell DFS that Windows software are better
than Linux software. It's not about purity or betrayal or I don't know
what. It's just about simple logic.

> As for "you're not promoting Linux because you use Wine," I think that's a
> stretch.

No.

> It's a personal choice (and I respect that choice)

Of course it's a personal choice and he can chose what he want. But his
choices don't promote Linux. How can you convince someone that using
Linux+wine+Idontknowwhat is better than using directly Windows to run
something? You can't because it's not better. It's a choice, OK, I have
nothing against choice. But it's not a Linux promotion, because it's
using a more difficult way to the same thing.

> Choice is good.

It's not about choice, it's about promoting something or not.

--
Si vous avez du temps à perdre :
https://scarpet42.gitlab.io

Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

>But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
>right when you are using proprietary software.

You are genuinely stupid, aren't you?

>That's all, there is nothing more to understand.

Except that you're a fscking idiot.

Using some closed-source software sure as fsck doesn't "prove" that
"FOSS is garbage". FOSS isn't "garbage" or inferior just because it
may not be the best choice for every application.

--
"I'm pretty stupid" - Stéphane CARPENTIER

On 2024-02-04, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
> Le 04-02-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
>> On 2024-02-04, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>> Le 03-02-2024, Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stock distros are great as a desktop OS. Just like Winblows, without
>>>>>>>> the money, product key and bloat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And good software.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And yet I'm running my favorite Winblows NNTP app to reply to you,
>>>>>> natively under Linux with Wine.
>>>>>
>>>>>heh! More excellent Linux advocacy from Joel.
>>>>
>>>> You're suggesting that there's something wrong with using Wine?
>>>
>>> Of course: it's obvious.
>>>
>>> The purpose of an OS is not to stare at it while swearing and laughing
>>> in front of it like a FR/DG/NV/LP/whatever moron. The purpose of an OS
>>> is to allow you to launch the tools/games/whatever you really need. And
>>> to manage them in the best possible way. So, if what you need is not
>>> available, it means your OS has nothing to managed, in other words it's
>>> useless. And so when you are using wine, you prove your OS is useless.
>>>
>>> That's not that difficult to understand: if you want to promote Linux,
>>> you find alternatives to your Windows toys. That'll show you don't need
>>> Windows.
>>
>> I hardly ever agree with Joel (he's in my killfile) but what are you saying?
>> That, when you use Linux, you sign some sort of fealty oath with it? That
>> you become its vassal and will forever swear off any application that
>> doesn't run natively under Linux? — or in any way "betray" Linux? This is
>> not a marriage. Using a Windows application under Wine doesn't mean you
>> "need" Windows, it means you want to run that application on a superior
>> platform, Linux.
>
> There is no such thing as a Linux betrayal. You do what you want and you
> use what you want. But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
> right when you are using proprietary software. That's all, there is
> nothing more to understand. Something running only on Windows can't be
> FOSS, so if you need wine, you need it to run something proprietary. So
> if you need something proprietary, it means FOSS is not enough. There is
> nothing difficult to understand.
>
> Read again what I didn't removed: DFS says Windows is better because
> software is better and Joel answer's was using wine is the solution. So,
> when he answered that he just tell DFS that Windows software are better
> than Linux software. It's not about purity or betrayal or I don't know
> what. It's just about simple logic.
>
>> As for "you're not promoting Linux because you use Wine," I think that's a
>> stretch.
>
> No.
>
>> It's a personal choice (and I respect that choice)
>
> Of course it's a personal choice and he can chose what he want. But his
> choices don't promote Linux. How can you convince someone that using
> Linux+wine+Idontknowwhat is better than using directly Windows to run
> something? You can't because it's not better. It's a choice, OK, I have
> nothing against choice. But it's not a Linux promotion, because it's
> using a more difficult way to the same thing.
>
>> Choice is good.
>
> It's not about choice, it's about promoting something or not.

No, it's about choice. You can choose to only use Open Source or you can
choose to use proprietary applications or even Windows applications under
Wine. I don't (regularly) use Wine (not at all currently) but I do use
proprietary native applications for Linux. Others choose to use Wine and
Windows applications or only Open Source — I respect their choices.

Choice is good.

I'm not "working" for Linux, it's working for me. Don't get too caught in
what DuFuS has to say, he's about 99% full of crap.

--
"Evil preaches tolerance until it is dominant, then it tries to silence good."
-- Archbishop Charles J. Chaput

On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:

> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,

Sure it can, but it's rare.

The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

Most Windows-only software is closed-source and for sale, or has a
feature-limited version that's free of cost.

On 2024-02-04 17:56, chrisv wrote:
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
>> right when you are using proprietary software.
>
> You are genuinely stupid, aren't you?
>
>> That's all, there is nothing more to understand.
>
> Except that you're a fscking idiot.
>
> Using some closed-source software sure as fsck doesn't "prove" that
> "FOSS is garbage". FOSS isn't "garbage" or inferior just because it
> may not be the best choice for every application.

FOSS is definitely enough to do pretty much everything that you would
want to do. However, it is normal that someone would want to continue
using a piece of software that they are used to, even if it isn't
officially supported by Linux. That doesn't mean that FOSS is garbage,
it might just indicate that FOSS doesn't have such a product yet. Even
if it does, the product might not be as intuitive as the one you've been
using happily for years.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative
Linux Mint patron

Le 04-02-2024, chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> a écrit :
> Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>>But when DFS says FOSS is garbage, you prove him
>>right when you are using proprietary software.
>
> You are genuinely stupid, aren't you?

Yes, that's not the discovery of the century.

>>That's all, there is nothing more to understand.
>
> Except that you're a fscking idiot.

You still don't know how to write "fucking". You should learn. It's not
that difficult. Even a fucking idiot like me can learn that.

> Using some closed-source software sure as fsck doesn't "prove" that
> "FOSS is garbage".

When DFS says there is nothing good in FOSS, if the answer is a
proprietary example, it does. There are a lot of ways to answer DFS,
choosing the worst way possible is the same as proving he's right.

And I won't tell you how to answer because any answer you want to do is
stupid. I disagree on a lot of subject with DFS. But one thing is
certain: he knows what he's speaking of. So he clearly knows when he's
plain wrong and write things only to piss off some brain dead cola
users. So in this case, any serious answer is stupid because it's a
waste of time to give someone some information he already knows. So when
he writes something like that, just laugh and move on. Or laugh and
answer with a joke. But don't answer seriously when you are angry
because you only make him laugh more broadly. And really don't answer
seriously with a bad argument it would be only the most fun you can
grant him.

And by the way, it's "fuck", not "fsck", you really have an issue with
your brain. Either you want to use a word and you spell it correctly or
you don't want that word and you use another one. Your way of using
words you don't like is really weird. There are a lot of words in the
English dictionary, you should be able to find some that suit your need.

> FOSS isn't "garbage" or inferior just because it
> may not be the best choice for every application.

It's not the subject. Read. Understand. Answer. In that order. Without
missing any step.

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Le 05-02-2024, DFS <nospam@dfs.com> a écrit :
> On 2/4/2024 4:34 PM, Stéphane CARPENTIER wrote:
>
>> Something running only on Windows can't be FOSS,
>
> Sure it can, but it's rare.
>
> The one big exception I know of is Notepad++, which is a very good text
> editor. It's Windows only, and GPL3-licensed.

OK, I didn't knew about that exception. I heard about it but as I don't
care about anything about text editors except vim-like (I tried a few
times Emacs but I have not enough fingers). I didn't knew it's a FOSS
Windows only tool.

> Most Windows-only software is closed-source and for sale, or has a
> feature-limited version that's free of cost.

Yes.

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Le 05-02-2024, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> a écrit :
> On 2024-02-04, Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> wrote:
>>
>> It's not about choice, it's about promoting something or not.
>
> No, it's about choice. You can choose to only use Open Source or you can
> choose to use proprietary applications or even Windows applications under
> Wine. I don't (regularly) use Wine (not at all currently) but I do use
> proprietary native applications for Linux. Others choose to use Wine and
> Windows applications or only Open Source — I respect their choices.

Yes, it's about choice, but not like that. DFS said there is no good
software running on Linux. You have a lot of ways to answer but the only
one to avoid is a proprietary software running under wine example. If you
can't give him any good FOOS example running natively on Linux, it means
nothing exist and it means he's right.

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