On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:11:15 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:

> On 2/12/24 10:33, Joel wrote:
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>
>>> at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the default
>>> ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.
>>
>>
>> I have not had a reason to use anything but xed, although Kate is
>> useful for searching long chat log files.
>
> I use pycharm and codeblocks for python and c/c++ respectively.

Shoot me but I've mostly been using VSCode for Python. The PyLance and
PythonDebugger extensions work well. If not that I use gVim. PyCharm and
Spyder are okay but code is a little more versatile. I haven't done much
with it yet but the PlatformIO extension is supposed to play well with
Arduino and other similar boards. It does C# very well but really eats up
memory for some reason. I think MS sneaks a bit of AI in for that.

Yes, Virginia, that's on Linux. And Windows of course.

On 2/12/24 20:20, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2024 11:11:15 -0600, candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> On 2/12/24 10:33, Joel wrote:
>>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> at least there's some good text editors on Linux. Even the default
>>>> ones, like xed, usually have syntax highlighting.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have not had a reason to use anything but xed, although Kate is
>>> useful for searching long chat log files.
>>
>> I use pycharm and codeblocks for python and c/c++ respectively.
>
> Shoot me but I've mostly been using VSCode for Python. The PyLance and
> PythonDebugger extensions work well. If not that I use gVim. PyCharm and
> Spyder are okay but code is a little more versatile. I haven't done much
> with it yet but the PlatformIO extension is supposed to play well with
> Arduino and other similar boards. It does C# very well but really eats up
> memory for some reason. I think MS sneaks a bit of AI in for that.
>
> Yes, Virginia, that's on Linux. And Windows of course.

*le gasp* NO!

I don't really care that much, I think I used VSC when I started. It
definitely has some polish..
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On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>
>
> I was kidding myself, I think.

Were you kidding yourself when you said:

"Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?

DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:

>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>
>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>
>Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>
>"Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?

I think I wasn't perceiving the long term value of it. Once I started
to really see the trajectory of what I'd be using over the lifetime of
the computer, it became clear Linux was the way to get the most out of
it. But I'm not dissing the experience of Windows.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
> On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>
>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>
>>
>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>
>
> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>
> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?

The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.

However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
my laptop gets annoying.

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On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
>> On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>
>>>
>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>
>>
>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>
>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>
> The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
> my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
> than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
> in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
> media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.
>
> However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
> again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
> the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
> with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
> needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
> my laptop gets annoying.

I disable fingerprint sensors on my smartphones (and don't use them on the
laptops that have them), so no fingerprint sensor support would be a plus
for me.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-02-20 11:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>> On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>>
>>>
>>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>>
>>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>>
>> The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
>> my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
>> than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
>> in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
>> media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.
>>
>> However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
>> again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
>> the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
>> with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
>> needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
>> my laptop gets annoying.
>
> I disable fingerprint sensors on my smartphones (and don't use them on the
> laptops that have them), so no fingerprint sensor support would be a plus
> for me.

It's clearly not the most secure way of logging in but the ease it
provides in logging in or doing anything which requires administrative
rights is excellent. In using Windows, I don't believe I have any kind
of security anyway.

--
RabidPedagog
Catholic paleoconservative

On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
> On 2024-02-20 11:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
>> On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>> On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>>>
>>>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>>>
>>> The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
>>> my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
>>> than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
>>> in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
>>> media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.
>>>
>>> However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
>>> again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
>>> the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
>>> with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
>>> needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
>>> my laptop gets annoying.
>>
>> I disable fingerprint sensors on my smartphones (and don't use them on the
>> laptops that have them), so no fingerprint sensor support would be a plus
>> for me.
>
> It's clearly not the most secure way of logging in but the ease it
> provides in logging in or doing anything which requires administrative
> rights is excellent. In using Windows, I don't believe I have any kind
> of security anyway.

I don't want my fingerprint on the Internet where anyone can grab it and
misuse it. It takes me just a second to type in my password.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-02-20 6:32 p.m., RonB wrote:
> On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-20 11:24 a.m., RonB wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-20, RabidPedagog <rabid@pedag.og> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-20 8:17 a.m., DFS wrote:
>>>>> On 2/3/2024 1:13 PM, Joel wrote:
>>>>>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>>>>
>>>> The only things that make Windows 11 more enjoyable for me are access to
>>>> my movie collection in Microsoft Films & TV (I have more movies there
>>>> than I realized) and not having to fiddle around to get my games to work
>>>> in Steam, GOG, Epic or the other services. If you have no need for such
>>>> media, Linux is a lot more responsive and more secure.
>>>>
>>>> However, I will admit that I am happy my fingerprint sensor is working
>>>> again and I hope that I am correct that it was a serious problem with
>>>> the latest driver being offered by Microsoft. As insecure as logging in
>>>> with your fingerprint is, I appreciate not having to put in my
>>>> needlessly long pin. Putting in fifteen characters without a numpad on
>>>> my laptop gets annoying.
>>>
>>> I disable fingerprint sensors on my smartphones (and don't use them on the
>>> laptops that have them), so no fingerprint sensor support would be a plus
>>> for me.
>>
>> It's clearly not the most secure way of logging in but the ease it
>> provides in logging in or doing anything which requires administrative
>> rights is excellent. In using Windows, I don't believe I have any kind
>> of security anyway.
>
> I don't want my fingerprint on the Internet where anyone can grab it and
> misuse it. It takes me just a second to type in my password.

That is indeed true.

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Catholic paleoconservative

Joel wrote:
> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>
>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>
>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>
>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>
>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>
>
> I think I wasn't perceiving the long term value of it. Once I started
> to really see the trajectory of what I'd be using over the lifetime of
> the computer, it became clear Linux was the way to get the most out of
> it. But I'm not dissing the experience of Windows.

I never thought that I would say this but Windows 11 is rock solid. I
have been using it for hundreds of hours on my gaming handhelds and
having had to get a cheap Windows laptop to use my 35mm film scanner, I
was surprised to find that it's a decent desktop OS. It seems as though
MS has taken inspiration from other OSes in terms of its design. Once I
removed everything annoying, it stays out of my way.

Most of the arguments against MS are no longer in place. Stability is
what it should be, it's efficient (and modern SSDs make old hardware
usable with any modern OS) and MS no longer has such toxic tactics now
that their founder and the psychopath who replaced him are gone.

There's no doubt that Linux is a better OS for software development,
though. My work laptop will continue to be Linux.

On 2024-02-21 6:20 p.m., Incubus wrote:
> Joel wrote:
>> DFS <nospam@dfs.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> So you were lying not too long ago when you said "I love Windows" 5x,
>>>>> and "I will probably never run Linux again"?
>>>>
>>>> I was kidding myself, I think.
>>>
>>> Were you kidding yourself when you said:
>>>
>>> "Win10/11 gives me more enjoyment, in using my machine." ?
>>
>>
>> I think I wasn't perceiving the long term value of it.  Once I started
>> to really see the trajectory of what I'd be using over the lifetime of
>> the computer, it became clear Linux was the way to get the most out of
>> it.  But I'm not dissing the experience of Windows.
>
> I never thought that I would say this but Windows 11 is rock solid.  I
> have been using it for hundreds of hours on my gaming handhelds and
> having had to get a cheap Windows laptop to use my 35mm film scanner, I
> was surprised to find that it's a decent desktop OS.  It seems as though
> MS has taken inspiration from other OSes in terms of its design.  Once I
> removed everything annoying, it stays out of my way.

It has a tendency to break though. I only reinstalled the operating
system a week ago and already, I had to repair with SFC twice. Once
right after the updates were installed and yesterday because it felt
like something was off. How those system files keep getting corrupted is
a mystery to me but I blame the NTFS filesystem.

> Most of the arguments against MS are no longer in place.  Stability is
> what it should be, it's efficient (and modern SSDs make old hardware
> usable with any modern OS) and MS no longer has such toxic tactics now
> that their founder and the psychopath who replaced him are gone.

They still very strongly insist that you use Edge and if you do but
decide to use a different search engine, it will periodically give you a
installation screen to trick you into restoring the default settings.
This is toxic behaviour. The only way to avoid it is to ignore Edge
entirely.

> There's no doubt that Linux is a better OS for software development,
> though.  My work laptop will continue to be Linux.

Linux still offers you the freedom to do whatever you want with the
machine that you own. Windows, like today's Western governments, only
offer you the illusion of freedom. Little by little, the amount of
things Microsoft wants Windows to control for you increases and we
already know how they feel about you "owning" your machine with their
activation process.

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On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:00:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:

> Linux still offers you the freedom to do whatever you want with the
> machine that you own. Windows, like today's Western governments, only
> offer you the illusion of freedom. Little by little, the amount of
> things Microsoft wants Windows to control for you increases and we
> already know how they feel about you "owning" your machine with their
> activation process.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean-
install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/

"Tips and tricks for making Microsoft leave you alone while you use your
PC."

On 2024-02-25, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 09:00:23 -0500, RabidPedagog wrote:
>
>> Linux still offers you the freedom to do whatever you want with the
>> machine that you own. Windows, like today's Western governments, only
>> offer you the illusion of freedom. Little by little, the amount of
>> things Microsoft wants Windows to control for you increases and we
>> already know how they feel about you "owning" your machine with their
>> activation process.
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2024/02/what-i-do-to-clean-up-a-clean-
> install-of-windows-11-23h2-and-edge/
>
> "Tips and tricks for making Microsoft leave you alone while you use your
> PC."

Also like Windows 10 N and the app store and such.
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