On 1/27/2024 6:17 AM, Joel wrote:
> Farley Flud <ff@linux.rocks> wrote:
>
>> I also like to work out in the haze of an alcohol buzz. Can
>> I bring a jug of my Carlo Rossi into the local Planet Fitness?
>
>
> Wine? God damn, that's some faggoty-assed shit. You're a quirk and a
> half, Gentoo, doing taxes on an elaborate spreadsheet rather than a
> custom app, wine drinking, and that's when you're not claiming to be a
> sexual predator, publicly. You are the weirdest MF I know.

heh!

A wine-drinking degenerate GuhNoo sissy walking naked and half-drunk on
a treadmill, Gilmore Girl reruns playing on his 21" tube TV.

MS is doomed.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 10:53:37 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:

> My, my. That was a fair amount of labor to look up, compile and sum all
> those individual times.

https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/AudioVideo/
Conceptual/iTuneSearchAPI/index.html

With about 20 lines of Python code using the requests library you can
parse the JSON returns and create the list.

That is, if you're a real programmer (tm)

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 04:05:53 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:

> Nah, Gallo isn’t wine, but a brand of notoriously cheap swill.

I don't know if it's still around but Gallo Hearty Burgundy was a pennies
per proof gallon choice that was relatively palatable. The gallon jugs
were convenient.

It beat the hell out of Wild Irish Rose or Silver Satin.

rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 04:05:53 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:
>
>> Nah, Gallo isn’t wine, but a brand of notoriously cheap swill.
>
>I don't know if it's still around but Gallo Hearty Burgundy was a pennies
>per proof gallon choice that was relatively palatable. The gallon jugs
>were convenient.
>
>It beat the hell out of Wild Irish Rose or Silver Satin.

The thing is, E&J makes both Thunderbird and actual cheap wine. I've
never drunk the former, but the latter is a great value, if you aren't
a connoisseur of wine.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 10:53:37 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>
>> My, my. That was a fair amount of labor to look up, compile and sum all
>> those individual times.
>
> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/AudioVideo/
> Conceptual/iTuneSearchAPI/index.html
>
> With about 20 lines of Python code using the requests library you can
> parse the JSON returns and create the list.
>
> That is, if you're a real programmer (tm)

Real Programmer's Don't Use Python (an update to "Real Programmer's Don't Use
Pascal").

:->

--
Q: What's yellow, and equivalent to the Axiom of Choice?
A: Zorn's Lemon.

Joel wrote:

> rbowman wrote:
>>
>> -hh wrote:
>>>
>>> Nah, Gallo isn’t wine, but a brand of notoriously cheap swill.
>>
>>I don't know if it's still around but Gallo Hearty Burgundy was a pennies
>>per proof gallon choice that was relatively palatable. The gallon jugs
>>were convenient.
>>
>>It beat the hell out of Wild Irish Rose or Silver Satin.
>
>The thing is, E&J makes both Thunderbird and actual cheap wine. I've
>never drunk the former, but the latter is a great value, if you aren't
>a connoisseur of wine.

It's all good, as long as you don't mind that pounding headache, in
the morning. 8)

--
"i<=22? Look at the clueless wonder go! That bit of shit-code does
two int comparisons on each iteration of the loop" - DumFSck,
putting his ignorance on display

chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>Joel wrote:
>> rbowman wrote:
>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Nah, Gallo isn’t wine, but a brand of notoriously cheap swill.
>>>
>>>I don't know if it's still around but Gallo Hearty Burgundy was a pennies
>>>per proof gallon choice that was relatively palatable. The gallon jugs
>>>were convenient.
>>>
>>>It beat the hell out of Wild Irish Rose or Silver Satin.
>>
>>The thing is, E&J makes both Thunderbird and actual cheap wine. I've
>>never drunk the former, but the latter is a great value, if you aren't
>>a connoisseur of wine.
>
>It's all good, as long as you don't mind that pounding headache, in
>the morning. 8)

I have actually de-aged, in the last couple years, because I've not
been drinking heavily, as I had been. I'm coming up on turning 47,
but I feel more like 20, physically. It's amazing, what Pepsi does,
for someone who consumes it like I do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YAFq63bQqA

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-lm&q=lyrics+creed+never+die#cobssid=s

"[...] And death you will defy
'Cause your youth will never die [...]"

https://www.biblica.com/bible/niv/john/6/

26Jesus answered [...] 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for
food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.
For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

On 1/27/2024 6:05 AM, -hh wrote:
> On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 6:17:38 AM UTC-5, Joel wrote:
>> Farley Flud <f...@linux.rocks> wrote:
>>
>>> I also like to work out in the haze of an alcohol buzz. Can
>>> I bring a jug of my Carlo Rossi into the local Planet Fitness?
>>
>> Wine?
>
> Nah, Gallo isn’t wine, but a brand of notoriously cheap swill.
>
>> God damn, that's some faggoty-assed shit.
>
> Can’t say that I’ve met any LGBTQ+ , nor even any stereotype or cliché
> thereof … who would stoop as low as drink the swill he’s bragging of.
>
> It’s not even a good cooking wine, but it is what one’s parents would
> keep around for serving to the family drunk uncle whenever he visits,
> for its not only cheap, but helps make such visits infrequent.
>
> -hh

Hahhahhahh :-)

I only once, in my life, bought a "jug" of that brand (any brand really)
and it lasted 5 or 6 years to get finished. I'm not kidding. The sight
of that round thing sitting there under the kitchen sink is still in my
memory. It got finished because only when I had made spaghetti and was
out of feta cheese to spread over (instead of parmesan), I would pour
half a glass of the damn thing to seep while eating, just to kill the
bland taste of the food in my mouth. That's how it got finished.

This was before I began pre-agriculture diet I have today. Now, if I had
one of them, it would be discovered under my kitchen sink by my folks
after my death, still half full.

Joel wrote:
> chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> rbowman wrote:
>>>> -hh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nah, Gallo isn’t wine, but a brand of notoriously cheap swill.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if it's still around but Gallo Hearty Burgundy was a pennies
>>>> per proof gallon choice that was relatively palatable. The gallon jugs
>>>> were convenient.
>>>>
>>>> It beat the hell out of Wild Irish Rose or Silver Satin.
>>>
>>> The thing is, E&J makes both Thunderbird and actual cheap wine. I've
>>> never drunk the former, but the latter is a great value, if you aren't
>>> a connoisseur of wine.
>>
>> It's all good, as long as you don't mind that pounding headache, in
>> the morning. 8)
>
>
> I have actually de-aged, in the last couple years, because I've not
> been drinking heavily, as I had been. I'm coming up on turning 47,
> but I feel more like 20, physically. It's amazing, what Pepsi does,
> for someone who consumes it like I do.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YAFq63bQqA
>
> https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-lm&q=lyrics+creed+never+die#cobssid=s
>
> "[...] And death you will defy
> 'Cause your youth will never die [...]"
>
> https://www.biblica.com/bible/niv/john/6/
>
> 26Jesus answered [...] 27Do not work for food that spoils, but for
> food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you.
> For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”
>
it doesn't take much to amaze you

On 1/27/2024 2:09 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 04:05:53 -0800 (PST), -hh wrote:
>
>> Nah, Gallo isn’t wine, but a brand of notoriously cheap swill.
>
> I don't know if it's still around but Gallo Hearty Burgundy was a pennies
> per proof gallon choice that was relatively palatable. The gallon jugs
> were convenient.
>
> It beat the hell out of Wild Irish Rose or Silver Satin.

I don't know jack about these stuff. The only wine brand I steadily
drank for some years was the one my ex-wife would always order in
restaurants. The Yellow Tail Shiraz. In stores I would see them
sometimes. Cheap, but not as cheap as a few other Shiraz brands. It
tasted ok.

Once I bought a real cheap wine (I dont' remember the name - and I don't
remember the reason) and after a couple of seeps I emptied the bottle
into the sink. I was certain it had a good dose of formaldehyde in it. I
knew how the latter smelled from biotech labs.

On 1/27/2024 7:48 PM, Joel wrote:
> It's amazing, what Pepsi does

May I ask what you mean by "Pepsi"?

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 20:21:06 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> I only once, in my life, bought a "jug" of that brand (any brand really)
> and it lasted 5 or 6 years to get finished.

5 or 6 hours was closer to my norm. In 'The Boat Who Wouldn't Float'
Farley Mowat describes a custom in Newfoundland. When you remove the cap
from a bottle you might as well throw it way since you're going to finish
it.

I first read it while working on a friend's International 500 yawl. It
resonates with wooden boat sailors.

In case some fool asked for wine my mother kept a bottle of Manischewitz
Concord Grape in the kitchen cabinet. It lasted a long, long time. I don't
know how she hit upon that particular brand. Sometimes there was a bottle
of Chianti, which she pronounced shantay like the Dinah Shore song, if she
was going to make chicken cacciatore. It was a close approximation,
probably straight from Betty Crocker. I didn't grow up in a vibrant,
diverse community.

> This was before I began pre-agriculture diet I have today. Now, if I had
> one of them, it would be discovered under my kitchen sink by my folks
> after my death, still half full.

Paleo? I'm not an obligate carnivore but my diet is chiefly meat, fish,
eggs, onions, garlic, cabbage, and sometimes tomato. I do include dairy
products. Since I'm not lactose intolerant I assume my ancestors have been
herding cattle for a long time.

On 1/27/2024 8:53 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 20:21:06 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>
>> I only once, in my life, bought a "jug" of that brand (any brand really)
>> and it lasted 5 or 6 years to get finished.
>
> 5 or 6 hours was closer to my norm. In 'The Boat Who Wouldn't Float'
> Farley Mowat describes a custom in Newfoundland. When you remove the cap
> from a bottle you might as well throw it way since you're going to finish
> it.
>
> I first read it while working on a friend's International 500 yawl. It
> resonates with wooden boat sailors.
>
> In case some fool asked for wine my mother kept a bottle of Manischewitz
> Concord Grape in the kitchen cabinet. It lasted a long, long time. I don't
> know how she hit upon that particular brand. Sometimes there was a bottle
> of Chianti, which she pronounced shantay like the Dinah Shore song, if she
> was going to make chicken cacciatore. It was a close approximation,
> probably straight from Betty Crocker. I didn't grow up in a vibrant,
> diverse community.
>
>
>> This was before I began pre-agriculture diet I have today. Now, if I had
>> one of them, it would be discovered under my kitchen sink by my folks
>> after my death, still half full.
>
> Paleo? I'm not an obligate carnivore but my diet is chiefly meat, fish,
> eggs, onions, garlic, cabbage, and sometimes tomato. I do include dairy
> products. Since I'm not lactose intolerant I assume my ancestors have been
> herding cattle for a long time.
>
>

The lactose tolerance came down from Neanderthals. That was another
feature (beside developing transparent skin) that had to appear by
evolutionary forces, when they were isolated in Europe behind the ice
from the rest of Eurasia. Those who had dark skin, didn't make it
because the limited Sun they had couldn't produce enough vitamin D in
them, so their bones would become soft and fragile; a prescription for
not lasting long evolution-wise. After a good while, only the
transparent skinned ones were still around, getting the most out of the
Sun, because ultraviolet rays had to reach beneath the skin to make D.
Same with lactose intolerance. The intolerant ones died out in Europe
because through much of the year just about anything they had for eating
was milk of their animals. Killing the animals for their meat would only
expedite their demise.

That's why, as we go from Europe eastward towards the far east Asia, the
milk intolerance in people increases dramatically. No more than 25
percent of Iranians enjoy milk tolerance. Among Indians it gets to about
10 percent, and among Chinese it is close to 0 percent.

That Manischewitz brand, I bet, was extremely sweet. I don't know why
old Jewish women like very sweet wine. I may be confusing this brand
with the one I'm talking about though :)

Your diet is very good if it doesn't also include bread and starchy
stuff. Now I know why you haven't dropped dead :) It is very close to
mine in fact. I eat the same things (except milk) but I also add nuts
and fruits.

I don't ask this of others, but if you want to improve upon your diet,
you can reduce the frequency of eating to no more than once a day. If
you take one more step after that, namely, making it one meal every
other day, then you begin to closely live the life of pre-agriculture
man. Those prone to diabetes can easily avoid it before it starts, or
even cure it after it has started, by eating no more often than once
every other day. It is all a matter of body's insulin making mechanism
getting worn out by eating more often than that. After adjusting the
frequency of eating, that mechanism will gradually come back! The
diabetes goes away.

A good source of information about all this is Jason Fung's "The
Diabetes Code".

On 1/27/2024 10:00 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> I don't ask this of others, but if you want to improve upon your diet,
> you can reduce the frequency of eating to no more than once a day. If
> you take one more step after that, namely, making it one meal every
> other day, then you begin to closely live the life of pre-agriculture
> man. Those prone to diabetes can easily avoid it before it starts, or
> even cure it after it has started, by eating no more often than once
> every other day. It is all a matter of body's insulin making mechanism
> getting worn out by eating more often than that. After adjusting the
> frequency of eating, that mechanism will gradually come back! The
> diabetes goes away.

There's actually another process about it going on as well. The insulin
itself will become more and more ineffective by over-using the
production of insulin too often. Just like any other tolerance that
builds in the body when something unnatural and harmful keeps happening
to body. So some people even name diabetes as, "insulin resistance".

The pre-agriculture diet gradually removes that resistance to insulin as
well.

Diabetes medication, which doctors have prescribed for decades and
decades, is just treating the symptom (sugar), not the disease (insulin
resistance and worn off insulin making mechanism). And it always,
without exception, leads to getting worse and worse of course, because
nothing was being done for the disease causing that symptom.

But nowadays, the information is out on how to treat diabetes itself,
not its symptom.

On 1/27/2024 10:18 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 1/27/2024 10:00 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> I don't ask this of others, but if you want to improve upon your diet,
>> you can reduce the frequency of eating to no more than once a day. If
>> you take one more step after that, namely, making it one meal every
>> other day, then you begin to closely live the life of pre-agriculture
>> man. Those prone to diabetes can easily avoid it before it starts, or
>> even cure it after it has started, by eating no more often than once
>> every other day. It is all a matter of body's insulin making mechanism
>> getting worn out by eating more often than that. After adjusting the
>> frequency of eating, that mechanism will gradually come back! The
>> diabetes goes away.
>
>
> There's actually another process about it going on as well. The insulin
> itself will become more and more ineffective by over-using the
> production of insulin too often. Just like any other tolerance that
> builds in the body when something unnatural and harmful keeps happening
> to body. So some people even name diabetes as, "insulin resistance".
>
> The pre-agriculture diet gradually removes that resistance to insulin as
> well.
>
> Diabetes medication, which doctors have prescribed for decades and
> decades, is just treating the symptom (sugar), not the disease (insulin
> resistance and worn off insulin making mechanism). And it always,
> without exception, leads to getting worse and worse of course, because
> nothing was being done for the disease causing that symptom.
>
> But nowadays, the information is out on how to treat diabetes itself,
> not its symptom.

Forgot to give the link. If you're prone to diabetes, watch this half
hour explanation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAwgdX5VxGc

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 19:06:23 -0600, chrisv wrote:
>>The thing is, E&J makes both Thunderbird and actual cheap wine. I've
>>never drunk the former, but the latter is a great value, if you aren't a
>>connoisseur of wine.
>
> It's all good, as long as you don't mind that pounding headache, in the
> morning. 8)

What's the word?
Thunderbird!
What's the price?
Forty, twice.

Tha last line gets rewritten to deal with inflation. Can't even get a good
cheap drunk anymore.

If you want a headache, try zubrovka. There was a stem of bison grass in
every bottle but it had to be reformulated for the US market. Seems bison
grass is a source of coumarin but a lot of things are including
strawberries.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:01:20 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 10:53:37 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>
>>> My, my. That was a fair amount of labor to look up, compile and sum
>>> all those individual times.
>>
>> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/AudioVideo/
>> Conceptual/iTuneSearchAPI/index.html
>>
>> With about 20 lines of Python code using the requests library you can
>> parse the JSON returns and create the list.
>>
>> That is, if you're a real programmer (tm)
>
> Real Programmer's Don't Use Python (an update to "Real Programmer's
> Don't Use Pascal").

Real programmers burn their code into ROMs using a hex keypad.

Semi-related: numpy 2 is a breaking change. That ought to be shits and
giggles until all the packages that depend on it get updated.

https://pythonspeed.com/articles/numpy-2/

> :->

Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

>> It's amazing, what Pepsi does
>
>May I ask what you mean by "Pepsi"?

It's a brand of soda pop, Pepsi Cola, the "caffeine" in which is
actually MDMA.

--
Joel W. Crump

Amendment XIV
Section 1.

[...] No state shall make or enforce any law which shall
abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the
United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of
life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal
protection of the laws.

Dobbs rewrites this, it is invalid precedent. States are
liable for denying needed abortions, e.g. TX.

rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 18:01:20 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
>> rbowman wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>
>>> On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 10:53:37 +0000, Farley Flud wrote:
>>>
>>>> My, my. That was a fair amount of labor to look up, compile and sum
>>>> all those individual times.
>>>
>>> https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/documentation/AudioVideo/
>>> Conceptual/iTuneSearchAPI/index.html
>>>
>>> With about 20 lines of Python code using the requests library you can
>>> parse the JSON returns and create the list.
>>>
>>> That is, if you're a real programmer (tm)
>>
>> Real Programmer's Don't Use Python (an update to "Real Programmer's
>> Don't Use Pascal").
>
> Real programmers burn their code into ROMs using a hex keypad.

Heh. In high school, I and my best friend would stay after school to
toggle in PDP-8 mini-programs. And it was octal not hex.

The console looked something like this:

https://www.pdp-11.nl/homebrew/pdp8/testversion-42.jpg

You also had to toggle in the bootstrap to start the darn thing.

> Semi-related: numpy 2 is a breaking change. That ought to be shits and
> giggles until all the packages that depend on it get updated.
>
> https://pythonspeed.com/articles/numpy-2/

--
Break into jail and claim police brutality.

On 1/28/2024 5:29 AM, Joel wrote:
> Physfitfreak <Physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> It's amazing, what Pepsi does
>>
>> May I ask what you mean by "Pepsi"?
>
>
> It's a brand of soda pop, Pepsi Cola, the "caffeine" in which is
> actually MDMA.
>

Is mdma legal in this country?

I just looked a bit into it. It is a strange substance they've come up
with. Not even a double whammy. It is a _triple_ whammy.

Each of the neurotransmitters it mimics is potent enough, yet it can
mimic all three simultaneously. One for generating action (fight or
flight), one for giving the feeling of reward (euphoria), and the third
for focus.

Why would one need all three features enhanced at the same time?

To me, only the third effect, enhancing focus, is generally useful. Most
ADHD drugs do that and are legal to prescribe. Why would one need to
have euphoria and fight or flight feeling on top of focus?... Doesn't
make sense.

And how do you know Pepsi has mdma instead of caffeine?

On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 09:32:57 -0500, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:

> Heh. In high school, I and my best friend would stay after school to
> toggle in PDP-8 mini-programs. And it was octal not hex.

https://www.computerhistory.org/revolution/mainframe-computers/7/164/659
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_card_(IBM/360)

Every real nerd had a green card behind their pocket protector.

I'd remembered it as being octal. I can't make out the machine format
table but iirc you could construct the opcodes using octal for the
registers if you knew the pattern.

On 1/28/2024 8:32 AM, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
> Heh. In high school, I and my best friend would stay after school to
> toggle in PDP-8 mini-programs. And it was octal not hex.
>
> The console looked something like this:
>
> https://www.pdp-11.nl/homebrew/pdp8/testversion-42.jpg

Very cool. It must've been a fantastic high school.

Machines that looked like that (I don't even know their names anymore),
in late 1980s in the university I was a grad in, were being "trashed" by
the section of physics department that was run by NASA. You won't
believe what they threw away. 99% of the time, their "trashed" equipment
would end up somewhere in the part of the department that was
independent of NASA, for great use by students and professors both. Even
the PDP-11 that the generation of PhD students before me were using, was
one of the "trashed" ones of that section :)

I saw many such computers given away in there (or "trashed" - cause if
we didn't pick them up, the janitors would actually have them trashed
during night) throughout that decade. But this was, I suppose, about 15
to 20 years after the time your high school had the pdp-8. In those
years, having such a machine in high school must've been a rare blessing.

In Iran, throughout 60s and 70s, we never had anything smaller and
cheaper than mainframes (all of them IBM). So only the large
institutions had them. And this continued until PC's kicked in. Nothing
like a "mini computer" there ever appeared.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 22:00:19 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> That's why, as we go from Europe eastward towards the far east Asia, the
> milk intolerance in people increases dramatically. No more than 25
> percent of Iranians enjoy milk tolerance. Among Indians it gets to about
> 10 percent, and among Chinese it is close to 0 percent.

And yet India is the world's largest dairy producer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_in_India

'Aryan' has become a dirty word and the theory is somewhat controversial
in India but particularly in north India the population may differ from
the indigenous Dravidians. That does lead to the question of why Iran has
such a high degree of lactose intolerance but then the Arabs, Turks, and
Mongols were stomping around.

> That Manischewitz brand, I bet, was extremely sweet. I don't know why
> old Jewish women like very sweet wine. I may be confusing this brand
> with the one I'm talking about though

No, that is the one. It is syrupy and kosher. I don't have a clue why my
mother settled on it as the wine for guests. Her preferences were gin in
the summer and whiskey in the winter while my father was mostly a beer
drinker. Wine was foreign territory for them.

At one time we visited a winery. The tour included copious samples to get
you in the mood for the final stop, the salesroom. My parents bought a
case of assorted flavors and that lasted a very long time too. My furtive
forays into the liquor cabinet may have accounted for most of it.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 22:20:30 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> Forgot to give the link. If you're prone to diabetes, watch this half
> hour explanation:

My wife is a Type 1 diabetic, which is a different problem. Although he
never was aware of it an autopsy showed my father had developed Type 2 so
I've been careful. It wasn't surprising. My mother was an excellent cook
and the usual American diet of the day was heavy on pie, cake, cookies,
bread, potatoes, gravy, and so forth. Even spinach was served with vinegar
and sugar. Macaroni and cheese, bad enough, was topped with maple syrup,
as were pancakes, corn bread, and so forth.

On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 20:34:09 -0600, Physfitfreak wrote:

> On 1/27/2024 2:09 PM, rbowman wrote:

>> It beat the hell out of Wild Irish Rose or Silver Satin.
>
>
> I don't know jack about these stuff. The only wine brand I steadily
> drank for some years was the one my ex-wife would always order in
> restaurants. The Yellow Tail Shiraz. In stores I would see them
> sometimes. Cheap, but not as cheap as a few other Shiraz brands. It
> tasted ok.

Fortified wines like port and sherry have been around for a long time.
Adding ethanol, usually brandy, helps to preserve them. Wild Irish Rose,
Thunderbird, MadDog (MD 20/20), Night Train, and the other bum wines
typically are flavored, sweetened, and jacked up to close to 20% ABV.

Ripple and Boone's Farm don't have as high a ABV but are sweet and cheap
making them popular with bums and college students.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBQSx_xc2o

Not about the wine.