songbird <songbird@anthive.com> writes:
>Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
>>>
>>>The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
>>>12:00pm).
>>>
>>>I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
>>
>> ante is latin for before
>> post is latin for after
>> peri is latin for now
>>
>> Meridian is 'noon'.

(mispelled, should be Meridiem (mid day)).

>>
>> Post meridian (pm) is after noon.
>> Ante Meridian (am) is before noon.
>
> right, we get that, but what is noon noon called
>and why is it mislabeled all the time? :)

Perimeridiem :-)

Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:47:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>
>> On 2023-01-16, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>
>>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
>>>
>>> The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
>>> 12:00pm).
>>>
>>> I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
>>
>> If an airplane crashes right on the Canada/U.S. border,
>> where do they bury the survivors?
>
> A similar problem came up in the French-Canadian movie Bon Cop Bad Cop
> from 2006, when a dead body hung over the road sign between Ontario and
> Quebec. So two cops came from either province showed up. The cop of the
> side the lower body hung said something like "His ass is ours". *g*

“Der Pass”, titled “Pagan Peak” in the US has a similar situation with a
body on the border between Germany and Austria.

--
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Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> writes:

[ snip ]

> But then you have to learn and memorize what "meridiem" [1] and "ante" means.

[ snip ]

> [1] Merriam-Webster says it means "midday". I rarely ran across the term
> "midday" already.

Yes, the Latin word is a compound of (the stem of) _medius/a/um_ "middle" and
_dies_ "day". The _r_ derives from a dissimilation of ...d...d... in rapid
speech (cf. the "veddy" pronunciation of English _very_ in old fashioned upper
class British contexts, or the English word _porridge_ derived from older
_pottage_).

English _midday_ is obsolescent, verging on archaic, but still not unknown to
native speakers.

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Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:

> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:47:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:

>>> If an airplane crashes right on the Canada/U.S. border,
>>> where do they bury the survivors?

>> A similar problem came up in the French-Canadian movie Bon Cop Bad Cop
>> from 2006, when a dead body hung over the road sign between Ontario and
>> Quebec. So two cops came from either province showed up. The cop of the
>> side the lower body hung said something like "His ass is ours". *g*

> “Der Pass”, titled “Pagan Peak” in the US has
> a similar situation with a body on the border between Germany and Austria.

There is a similar plot point in the Swedish/Danish film "The Bridge" ("Broen"),
remade by IIRC the BBC as "The Tunnel". I leave it to the reader to figure out
which tunnel...

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On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 12:23:22 +0000
Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
> 12:00pm).

Yep, I usually go with noon or midnight.

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scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> Perimeridiem :-)

That would mean, vaguely, "somewhere in the general vicinity of
midday" or "noonish".

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On 16 Jan 2023 18:34:40 -0500, Rich Alderson wrote:
>
> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>
>>> A similar problem came up in the French-Canadian movie Bon Cop Bad Cop
>>> from 2006, when a dead body hung over the road sign between Ontario and
>>> Quebec. So two cops came from either province showed up. The cop of the
>>> side the lower body hung said something like "His ass is ours". *g*
>
>> “Der Passâ€., titled “Pagan Peakâ€. in the US has
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow, your Gnus does not declare anything. Previous poster had UTF-8. Gnus
can do better (I use it myself :-).

I have Gnus replaced nonprintable characters with ".".

>> a similar situation with a body on the border between Germany and Austria.
>
> There is a similar plot point in the Swedish/Danish film "The Bridge" ("Broen"),
> remade by IIRC the BBC as "The Tunnel". I leave it to the reader to figure out
> which tunnel...

Seems that topic is sought after by film maker.

What if in 1986 there was a body on the Berlin Wall...
--
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On 2023-01-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
>>
>>The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
>>12:00pm).
>>
>>I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
>
> ante is latin for before
> post is latin for after
> peri is latin for now
>
> Meridian is 'noon'.
>
> Post meridian (pm) is after noon.
> Ante Meridian (am) is before noon.

meridian ≠ meridiem

On 16 Jan 2023 18:34:40 -0500
Rich Alderson <news@alderson.users.panix.com> wrote:

> Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:47:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>
> >>> If an airplane crashes right on the Canada/U.S. border,
> >>> where do they bury the survivors?
>
> >> A similar problem came up in the French-Canadian movie Bon Cop Bad Cop
> >> from 2006, when a dead body hung over the road sign between Ontario and
> >> Quebec. So two cops came from either province showed up. The cop of the
> >> side the lower body hung said something like "His ass is ours". *g*
>
> > “Der Passâ€_, titled “Pagan Peakâ€_ in the US has
> > a similar situation with a body on the border between Germany and Austria.
>
> There is a similar plot point in the Swedish/Danish film "The Bridge" ("Broen"),
> remade by IIRC the BBC as "The Tunnel". I leave it to the reader to figure out
> which tunnel...
>

There was a real-life (TM) squabble for Otzi, despite the border having
been defined 5,000 years after his death.

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On 2023-01-17, johnson <root@example.net> wrote:
> On 2023-01-16, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
>>>
>>>The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
>>>12:00pm).
>>>
>>>I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
>>
>> ante is latin for before
>> post is latin for after
>> peri is latin for now
>>
>> Meridian is 'noon'.
>>
>> Post meridian (pm) is after noon.
>> Ante Meridian (am) is before noon.
>
> meridian ≠ meridiem

Funny how the whole thing was settled before History began. I think that
an attempt was made during the French Revolution,, something like week
being refined as ten days. Didn't last. In one book, the reason that the
reformation failed in France was that it eliminated holy days, which
under the old system was the time that the peasants were able to work on
their own plots, over fifty per year, I think.

Why was the circle defined as 360 degress? The answer is probably buried
under the sands of Sumer. Some of the US soldiers that served in 'Iraq
said there are millions of cuniform tablets still lying around there.

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On 1/16/2023 9:45 AM, D.J. wrote:

[snip...] [snip...] [snip...]

> Those are artificial anyway, created by the early LED clock makers. 12
> PM is noon, and 12AM is midnight.
>
> I've hear people do it redundantly.
>
> "Its 12 PM Noon."
>
> Which, is very silly.
>

Let's *not* call "12 PM Noon" redundant or silly... it is just
"emphatic", to avoid the misunderstanding of whether AM or PM is noon.

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On 1/16/2023 5:08 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
> Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:47:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2023-01-16, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
>>>>
>>>> The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
>>>> 12:00pm).
>>>>
>>>> I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
>>>
>>> If an airplane crashes right on the Canada/U.S. border,
>>> where do they bury the survivors?
>>
>> A similar problem came up in the French-Canadian movie Bon Cop Bad Cop
>> from 2006, when a dead body hung over the road sign between Ontario and
>> Quebec. So two cops came from either province showed up. The cop of the
>> side the lower body hung said something like "His ass is ours". *g*
>
> “Der Pass”, titled “Pagan Peak” in the US has a similar situation with a
> body on the border between Germany and Austria.
>

ISTM a few decades ago, a frozen body was found in the Alps, and the
Swiss and the French or maybe the Italians were arguing over who owned
the territory where that "ice man" was found, and thus had rights to the
"ice man" body. I do *not* remember how all that turned out...

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On 1/16/2023 4:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
> songbird <songbird@anthive.com> writes:
>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>> On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
>>>>
>>>> The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
>>>> 12:00pm).
>>>>
>>>> I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
>>>
>>> ante is latin for before
>>> post is latin for after
>>> peri is latin for now
>>>
>>> Meridian is 'noon'.
>
> (mispelled, should be Meridiem (mid day)).
>
>>>
>>> Post meridian (pm) is after noon.
>>> Ante Meridian (am) is before noon.
>>
>> right, we get that, but what is noon noon called
>> and why is it mislabeled all the time? :)
>
> Perimeridiem :-)
>
>

Now can we clear up "stalactite" versus "stalagmite"... and also
"aphelion" versus "perihelion"???

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On 1/17/2023 6:27 AM, greymaus wrote:
>
[snip...] [snip...] [snip...]

> Why was the circle defined as 360 degress? The answer is probably buried
> under the sands of Sumer. Some of the US soldiers that served in 'Iraq
> said there are millions of cuniform tablets still lying around there.
>

ISTM that anscient Sumeria used a base-20 number system, like the Mayans
did. And since the earth is *roughly* a round ball, and the measure of
round things totals 360 degrees...

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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 06:53:47 -0600
Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:

> On 1/16/2023 5:08 PM, Peter Flass wrote:
> > Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 17:47:32 GMT, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 2023-01-16, Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
> >>>>
> >>>> The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
> >>>> 12:00pm).
> >>>>
> >>>> I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
> >>>
> >>> If an airplane crashes right on the Canada/U.S. border,
> >>> where do they bury the survivors?
> >>
> >> A similar problem came up in the French-Canadian movie Bon Cop Bad Cop
> >> from 2006, when a dead body hung over the road sign between Ontario and
> >> Quebec. So two cops came from either province showed up. The cop of the
> >> side the lower body hung said something like "His ass is ours". *g*
> >
> > “Der Pass”, titled “Pagan Peak” in the US has a similar situation with a
> > body on the border between Germany and Austria.
> >
>
> ISTM a few decades ago, a frozen body was found in the Alps, and the
> Swiss and the French or maybe the Italians were arguing over who owned
> the territory where that "ice man" was found, and thus had rights to the
> "ice man" body. I do *not* remember how all that turned out...
>
They named him Otzi; he got moved from Innsbruck to Bolzano.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi#Border_dispute

--
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On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 07:00:30 -0600, Charles Richmond
<codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>On 1/16/2023 4:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> songbird <songbird@anthive.com> writes:
>>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>> On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
>>>>>
>>>>> The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
>>>>> 12:00pm).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
>>>>
>>>> ante is latin for before
>>>> post is latin for after
>>>> peri is latin for now
>>>>
>>>> Meridian is 'noon'.
>>
>> (mispelled, should be Meridiem (mid day)).
>>
>>>>
>>>> Post meridian (pm) is after noon.
>>>> Ante Meridian (am) is before noon.
>>>
>>> right, we get that, but what is noon noon called
>>> and why is it mislabeled all the time? :)
>>
>> Perimeridiem :-)
>>
>>
>
>Now can we clear up "stalactite" versus "stalagmite"... and also
>"aphelion" versus "perihelion"???

Stalactite hold tight to the ceiling, the stalagmite is on the floor.
--
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Charles Richmond wrote:

> Let's *not* call "12 PM Noon" redundant or silly... it is just
> "emphatic", to avoid the misunderstanding of whether AM or PM is noon.

So just call it "12:00 noon" or "noon"

I notice several times, e.g. competitions with closing times, maybe the
organisers have been bitten previously, set their closing time at
"23:59:59" rather than midnight.

D.J. wrote:

> Charles Richmond wrote:
>
>> Now can we clear up "stalactite" versus "stalagmite"...
>
> Stalactite hold tight to the ceiling, the stalagmite is on the floor.

tights come down, mites go up.

> Stalactite hold tight to the ceiling, the stalagmite is on the floor.

.... "mite" reach the ceiling some day.

De

On 17/01/2023 13:06, Charles Richmond wrote:
> ISTM that anscient Sumeria used a base-20 number system, like the Mayans
> did.  And since the earth is *roughly* a round ball, and the measure of
> round things totals 360 degrees...

I thought it was base 60. Which you can divide by 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 (and
some, but not all, bigger numbers)

BICBW. ICBA to check.

Andy

D.J. <chucktheouch@gmnol.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 07:00:30 -0600, Charles Richmond
> <codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>> On 1/16/2023 4:55 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> songbird <songbird@anthive.com> writes:
>>>> Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>>>> Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>>> On 14/01/2023 13:11, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>>> I still think this is the worst idea I’ve heard this year (so far)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The one I keep seeing that confuses me is references to 12:00am (or
>>>>>> 12:00pm).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have no clue which is noon and which is midnight.
>>>>>
>>>>> ante is latin for before
>>>>> post is latin for after
>>>>> peri is latin for now
>>>>>
>>>>> Meridian is 'noon'.
>>>
>>> (mispelled, should be Meridiem (mid day)).
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Post meridian (pm) is after noon.
>>>>> Ante Meridian (am) is before noon.
>>>>
>>>> right, we get that, but what is noon noon called
>>>> and why is it mislabeled all the time? :)
>>>
>>> Perimeridiem :-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Now can we clear up "stalactite" versus "stalagmite"... and also
>> "aphelion" versus "perihelion"???
>
> Stalactite hold tight to the ceiling, the stalagmite is on the floor.

the mites come up, and the tites (tights;-) go down.

> --
> Jim
>

--
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On 17/01/2023 15:55, D.J. wrote:
>
> Stalactite hold tight to the ceiling, the stalagmite is on the floor.

Stalactite has a C and so comes down from the ceiling

Stalagmite has a G and so comes up from the ground

On 2023-01-17, Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 06:53:47 -0600
> Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
>
>> ISTM a few decades ago, a frozen body was found in the Alps, and the
>> Swiss and the French or maybe the Italians were arguing over who owned
>> the territory where that "ice man" was found, and thus had rights to
>> the "ice man" body. I do *not* remember how all that turned out...
>
> They named him Otzi; he got moved from Innsbruck to Bolzano.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%96tzi#Border_dispute

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On 2023-01-17, Charles Richmond <codescott@aquaporin4.com> wrote:
> On 1/16/2023 9:45 AM, D.J. wrote:
>
> [snip...] [snip...] [snip...]
>
>> Those are artificial anyway, created by the early LED clock makers. 12
>> PM is noon, and 12AM is midnight.
>>
>> I've hear people do it redundantly.
>>
>> "Its 12 PM Noon."
>>
>> Which, is very silly.
>>
>
> Let's *not* call "12 PM Noon" redundant or silly... it is just
> "emphatic", to avoid the misunderstanding of whether AM or PM is noon.
>
> --
>
> Charles Richmond
>
>
In a recent election, there was a difference pointed out, that there
were two sorts of people, those who had dinner at midday, and those that
have it in the evening. Can't remember anything else about that
election.

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Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On 17/01/2023 13:06, Charles Richmond wrote:

>> ISTM that anscient Sumeria used a base-20 number system, like the Mayans
>> did.  And since the earth is *roughly* a round ball, and the measure of
>> round things totals 360 degrees...

Base 60.

> I thought it was base 60. Which you can divide by 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 (and
> some, but not all, bigger numbers)

> BICBW. ICBA to check.

2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 10, 12, 15, and 30.

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